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1. 04:24 AM - Re: compression struts-- need some help, pls (Skip Gadd)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: compression struts-- need some help, pls (Jack Phillips)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: compression struts-- need some help, pls (Jack)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! (Jeff Boatright)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: Hagerstown, Dirksons, Brodhead, OSH (Jeff Boatright)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! (RBush96589@aol.com)
7. 06:43 AM - Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
8. 08:42 AM - trip comments (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
9. 08:54 AM - Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! (airlion)
10. 08:54 AM - Re: compression struts-- need some help, THX (Tim Willis)
11. 08:54 AM - Re: compression struts-- need some help, THX (Tim Willis)
12. 08:55 AM - camera memory card recovery ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
13. 08:58 AM - Re: trip comments -- pretty girls (Tim Willis)
14. 09:44 AM - Re: trip comments -- pretty girls (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 10:12 AM - Re: trip comments -- pretty girls (K5YAC)
16. 10:13 AM - Re: Brodhead Video (K5YAC)
17. 10:14 AM - Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Will42)
18. 10:22 AM - Re: camera memory card recovery ? (Ryan Mueller)
19. 10:24 AM - Re: camera memory card recovery =?UTF-8?Q?=3F? (Ken Howe)
20. 11:20 AM - Re: camera memory card recovery ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
21. 11:48 AM - Re: camera memory card recovery ? (Dan Yocum)
22. 12:21 PM - Re: trip comments -- pretty girls (Pieti Lowell)
23. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: trip comments -- pretty girls (Dan Yocum)
24. 02:06 PM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (Dan Yocum)
25. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Tim Willis)
26. 02:51 PM - Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh (Darrel Jones)
27. 03:28 PM - Re: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh (Wayne Bressler)
28. 04:06 PM - Re: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh (Gary Boothe)
29. 04:09 PM - Brodhead Photo (Patrick Panzera)
30. 04:44 PM - Re: Brodhead Photo (Ryan Mueller)
31. 04:44 PM - Re: Brodhead Photo (Gary Boothe)
32. 04:53 PM - Re: Brodhead Photo (Patrick Panzera)
33. 05:10 PM - Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (skellytown flyer)
34. 05:13 PM - Re: Brodhead Photo (Gary Boothe)
35. 05:13 PM - Re: Brodhead Photo (Jeff Boatright)
36. 05:35 PM - Re: Brodhead Photo (Jim Markle)
37. 05:39 PM - Re: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh (Jim Markle)
38. 07:13 PM - Re: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh (Darrel Jones)
39. 08:06 PM - Re: camera memory card recovery ? (ken anderson)
40. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Clif Dawson)
41. 10:19 PM - Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! yo se de eso (jorge lizarraga)
42. 10:52 PM - Re: Brodhead photos (skybachs)
43. 11:02 PM - Re: trip comments (skybachs)
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| Subject: | compression struts-- need some help, pls |
Tim,
This is how we assembled my wings at Sun N Fun this past spring, best I can
remember.
1 Set the spars on 2 large saw horses so they are level with each other.
2 Slide the ribs on the spars. The wing is upside down.
3 Trammel the spars.
4 Use blocks screwed to saw horses to secure spars from moving, trammel
again.
5 Attach drag/anti-drag cables, trammel again while lightly tightening
cables.
6 Glue ribs in place.
7 Cut compression struts to length and glue in place with gussets at top
and bottom of spar, one per end per strut, trammel again.
8 Glue in aileron spars and LE of aileron and TE of wing at aileron.
9 Glue on LE and TE of wing and diagonal struts. We added blocks and
gussets at ends of diagonal struts.
I still have to glue on ply at LE to spar on top of wing and do the final
tighten of drag/anti-drag cables against compression struts, and of
course, trammel again.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/2/2009 10:26:51 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: compression struts-- need some help, pls
>
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> I have a some wing-building questions that center around the compression
struts in the wings.
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| Subject: | compression struts-- need some help, pls |
Tim,
I made a little plywood pocket for my compression struts, made the struts to
the exact length for the distance between the spars and the installed the
compression struts with no glue. Just the tension of the drag wires and
anti-drag wires holds the compression struts in place. I also did not glue
the ribs - just nailed them to the spars.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Icarus Plummet
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: compression struts-- need some help, pls
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
I have a some wing-building questions that center around the compression
struts in the wings.
1. How long are these struts? On the surface, this sounds dumb, but please
bear with me. For instance, the minimum distance between the front and rear
spars is the distance across the ribs. If made exactly to plans, that
distance is 27 5/8", except as adjusted for the ply thicknesses added to the
spars on both ends and middle. So do you make the compression struts
EXACTLY according to that ADJUSTED rib dimension? My real question here is,
if you do so, both all the ribs and the several compression struts will be
in compression. Is that what you want? Or do you make the compression
struts just a few thousandths longer, so you can still slightly slide the
ribs around until they are glued or nailed? Does it matter?
2. The answer to that might well be interrelated to this question. What
are the sequences-- first, second, third-- gluing the compression struts,
lightly tensioning the drag/anti-drag wires, nailing the ribs, final
tensioning the wires?
[Perhaps you need to know that for my wing layout I am using a flat table
with three "piers" on it. The piers hold the struts up. The spars look
like a bridge span sitting on the three piers. This is a method I borrowed
from a posting on "biplaneforum.com," as demonstrated to me by my friend
here John Nunn, the forum's founder(?), moderator, and webmaster, on his
Skybolt wings. Thus I have some flexibility in sequence. I have made the
piers a little longer than the 27 5/8" rib dimension FOR NOW, so that the
ribs move on smoothly, but I can adjust this to accommodate the intelligence
you impart to me.]
3. It seems strange that with all the gusseting we do elsewhere--to
increase gluing area and to triangulate attach points-- that the compression
struts are just butt-glued to the spars. IMO, in some ways these are the
most important sticks on the plane, after the longerons. Haven't you added
glue blocks or a light gusset, or made a U-pocket for the struts?
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | compression struts-- need some help, pls |
Here are some pictures that may help...more at my site. Make sure when you
position them, they will "clear" your covering.
Jack
www.textors.com
Tim,
I made a little plywood pocket for my compression struts, made the struts to
the exact length for the distance between the spars and the installed the
compression struts with no glue. Just the tension of the drag wires and
anti-drag wires holds the compression struts in place. I also did not glue
the ribs - just nailed them to the spars.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Icarus Plummet
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: compression struts-- need some help, pls
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
I have a some wing-building questions that center around the compression
struts in the wings.
1. How long are these struts? On the surface, this sounds dumb, but please
bear with me. For instance, the minimum distance between the front and rear
spars is the distance across the ribs. If made exactly to plans, that
distance is 27 5/8", except as adjusted for the ply thicknesses added to the
spars on both ends and middle. So do you make the compression struts
EXACTLY according to that ADJUSTED rib dimension? My real question here is,
if you do so, both all the ribs and the several compression struts will be
in compression. Is that what you want? Or do you make the compression
struts just a few thousandths longer, so you can still slightly slide the
ribs around until they are glued or nailed? Does it matter?
2. The answer to that might well be interrelated to this question. What
are the sequences-- first, second, third-- gluing the compression struts,
lightly tensioning the drag/anti-drag wires, nailing the ribs, final
tensioning the wires?
[Perhaps you need to know that for my wing layout I am using a flat table
with three "piers" on it. The piers hold the struts up. The spars look
like a bridge span sitting on the three piers. This is a method I borrowed
from a posting on "biplaneforum.com," as demonstrated to me by my friend
here John Nunn, the forum's founder(?), moderator, and webmaster, on his
Skybolt wings. Thus I have some flexibility in sequence. I have made the
piers a little longer than the 27 5/8" rib dimension FOR NOW, so that the
ribs move on smoothly, but I can adjust this to accommodate the intelligence
you impart to me.]
3. It seems strange that with all the gusseting we do elsewhere--to
increase gluing area and to triangulate attach points-- that the compression
struts are just butt-glued to the spars. IMO, in some ways these are the
most important sticks on the plane, after the longerons. Haven't you added
glue blocks or a light gusset, or made a U-pocket for the struts?
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
05:56:00
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! |
It IS a beauty of an airplane! Congratulations, Kurt.
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| Subject: | Re: Hagerstown, Dirksons, Brodhead, OSH |
I bought a copy of the movie while at OSH and watched it the first
thing when I got back. It's a feel-good movie in the best sense of
the phrase, all the more so because it's a true story -- sort of a
fairy tale come true! On the technical side, the photography,
writing, editing, the whole sheebang, are _great_.
A good story told well.
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! |
Hey Kurt,
Congrats from me also,beautiful plane and well deserved .I enjoyed
meeting and flying with everyone. This trip was a dream come true for me
after seven years of building.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
=JulystepsfooterNO115)
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| Subject: | Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! |
That was one CLEAN airplane-Kurt deserved that Lindy fair and square. He
was on a short leash to get home for some business
he had to take care of when I spoke with him at Brodhead but I am so glad h
e gave the judges enough time to inspect and award
Kurt's hard work. He's another Poplar Grove, IL guy if I'm not mistaken
. I think next year Dan Helsper is going to take a Lindy and he's
from Poplar Grove as well. Way to go Kurt !
Mike C.
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Good post Greg Cardinal-- but I did have headwinds all the way to Wisconsin and
got
weathered in Friday eve. in Chicago so not all went so perfectly---but heck, that's
the
life of a barnstormer.
The trick is with letting people sit in your airplane is how you answer the question:
"is this
your airplane ?" You simply say no to everyone except pretty girls:) !!!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!! |
Another kudo for a very clean airplane. What kind of carburetor are you usi
ng, and what kind of speed can you get? Congrats, Gardiner Mason.=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[
ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list
@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Monday, August 3, 20
09 9:40:19 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to Kurt Shipman!!!=0A
=0A =0AThat was one CLEAN airplane=94Kurt deserved that Lindy fair=0A
and square. He was on a short leash to get home for some=0Abusiness=0Ahe
had to take care of when I spoke with him at Brodhead but I=0Aam so glad h
e gave the judges enough time to inspect and award=0AKurt=99s hard wo
rk. He=99s=0Aanother Poplar Grove, IL guy if I=99m not mist
aken. I think=0Anext year Dan Helsper is going to take a Lindy and he
=99s=0Afrom Poplar Grove as well. Way to go Kurt !=0A =0AMike C.=0A
====================
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| Subject: | compression struts-- need some help, THX |
Skip,
Thanks. I will follow this plan, escept for using my "bridge pilings" and table,
and using ply pockets vs. gussets.
I am not only saving this, I am PRINTING it to tape to a spar.
BTW, I had never thought of "wing upside down;" I can see why, though only a couple
of my ribs slipped in preliminary tension in the trial setup. I'll flip
it for sure, now to do it in my mind as well... ;)
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Skip Gadd <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 6:30 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: compression struts-- need some help, pls
>
>
>Tim,
>This is how we assembled my wings at Sun N Fun this past spring, best I can
>remember.
>1 Set the spars on 2 large saw horses so they are level with each other.
>2 Slide the ribs on the spars. The wing is upside down.
>3 Trammel the spars.
>4 Use blocks screwed to saw horses to secure spars from moving, trammel
>again.
>5 Attach drag/anti-drag cables, trammel again while lightly tightening
>cables.
>6 Glue ribs in place.
>7 Cut compression struts to length and glue in place with gussets at top
>and bottom of spar, one per end per strut, trammel again.
>8 Glue in aileron spars and LE of aileron and TE of wing at aileron.
>9 Glue on LE and TE of wing and diagonal struts. We added blocks and
>gussets at ends of diagonal struts.
>I still have to glue on ply at LE to spar on top of wing and do the final
>tighten of drag/anti-drag cables against compression struts, and of
>course, trammel again.
>Skip
>
>
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| Subject: | compression struts-- need some help, THX |
Jack P. and Jack T., thanks for the technique and pix. That is all perfectly clear,
and what I will do-- pockets.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | camera memory card recovery ? |
What are the chances of recovering photos that you (me-dumb nuts) accidenta
lly erased from your
camera memory card ?
I figure they are lost and gone forever but thought I'd throw the question
out there.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments -- pretty girls |
Great idea on the pretty girls: "not my plane." Now you and Lowell Frank must
swap ideas-- ask him about his shoulder harness adjustment techniques.
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 9:19 AM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: trip comments
>
>
>Good post Greg Cardinal-- but I did have headwinds all the way to Wisconsin and
got
>weathered in Friday eve. in Chicago so not all went so perfectly---but heck, that's
the
>life of a barnstormer.
>
>The trick is with letting people sit in your airplane is how you answer the question:
"is this
>your airplane ?" You simply say no to everyone except pretty girls:) !!!
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | trip comments -- pretty girls |
I noticed that in one of Jeff Boatright's many great video YouTube posts that Bill
Rewey was extra helpful helping board one young lady into his airplane and helping
her with the shoulder and lap belts. And they probably think he's harmless--
Hah !
There are some advantages to getting older:)
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments -- pretty girls |
I think that was my wife. LOL!
Every person that I have showed the video to has commented on that... "did you
see that? He put his hand right on her a$$." I say so what... she got a Piet
ride out of the deal. Ha ha! Good for Bill.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255790#255790
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Video |
Bumping this now that several people are back home. Yes, I know... shameless tactics.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your information.
My thought is to make up one end of the brace wires directly to the fitting, then
mount the fittings up with a number of washers between them and the structure,
then make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten,
and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it right.
Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't tried
either, as I said. This would eliminate shackles and turnbuckles; a little
weight and more money. If you try it, let me know you results as I intend to use
the idea.
Will
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| Subject: | Re: camera memory card recovery ? |
Mike,
Don't do anything else to the memory card if it is still in the camera. Tak
e
it out of the camera and connect it to your computer (via your card reader)
.
Then I would recommend giving this small program a shot:
http://download.cnet.com/Data-Recovery/3000-2094_4-10664894.html?tag=lst-
6
Extract the program from the zip file and run it. The memory card should
show up as a drive. Choose that drive, and scan for files. Should be
relatively straightforward. If you need more assistance let me know. Good
luck!
Ryan
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> What are the chances of recovering photos that you (me=97dumb nuts)
> accidentally erased from your
>
> camera memory card ?
>
>
> I figure they are lost and gone forever but thought I=92d throw the quest
ion
> out there.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: camera memory card recovery =?UTF-8?Q?=3F? |
It really depends on how you erased the pictures and whether or not you've
done anything with the card since erasing things. You can either re-format
the card to erase everything (that's what I normally do) or erase the
pictures individually. If I remember FAT formatting, in the first case all
of the allocation tables in the file system are cleared but the data is
untouched. It might be possible to recover the data, but would be quite
difficult because there's no logical way to sequence the data blocks
correctly. In the second case (deleting pictures) only the directory
information is cleared, but the allocation tables still have the
information that indicate the sequence of data blocks that make up the
files. I believe that there is software that can help recover files in this
situation.
If you've already started taking more pictures, then your chances of
recovery are a lot less, because the new files (pictures) may start to
reuse the areas on the card that held the deleted
picture information.
Your best bet would be to start some googling. I think either Lexar or
sanDisk at one time had some revovery software, and I'd bet there are
others out there.
Good luck.
--Ken
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:49:38 -0500, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Thoughts
What are the chances of recovering photos that you (me--dumb nuts)
accidentally erased from your
camera memory card ?
I figure they are lost and gone forever but thought I'd throw the question
out there.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | camera memory card recovery ? |
Wow...you guys are great. Thank you and from an offline note of assistan
ce from Chris Tracy as well. I'll bring in the memory
card Tuesday and give it a try. So far I haven't touched the memory card
or done anything else (but cry:)) since I pulled that
bonehead maneuver last night.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: camera memory card recovery ?
Mike,
Don't do anything else to the memory card if it is still in the camera. Tak
e it out of the camera and connect it to your computer (via your card reade
r). Then I would recommend giving this small program a shot:
http://download.cnet.com/Data-Recovery/3000-2094_4-10664894.html?tag=lst-
6
Extract the program from the zip file and run it. The memory card should sh
ow up as a drive. Choose that drive, and scan for files. Should be relative
ly straightforward. If you need more assistance let me know. Good luck!
Ryan
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>> wrote:
What are the chances of recovering photos that you (me-dumb nuts) accidenta
lly erased from your
camera memory card ?
I figure they are lost and gone forever but thought I'd throw the question
out there.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: camera memory card recovery ? |
Mike,
First off - DO NOT put the card back in the camera!
Resurrecting files depends on how you erased the files - did you erase
them while the card was in the computer or while it was in the camera?
As a first shot - try the instructions in the first section of this web
page since the files may still be in the recycle bin:
http://www.geekgirls.com/windows_recycle_bin.htm
If that doesn't work, then proceed to use one of these utilities to try
to resurrect the files:
http://www.uneraser.com/undelete.htm
http://rognerud.com/file-recover
Good luck!
Dan
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> What are the chances of recovering photos that you (medumb nuts)
> accidentally erased from your
>
> camera memory card ?
>
>
>
> I figure they are lost and gone forever but thought Id throw the
> question out there.
>
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
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>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments -- pretty girls |
And you guys thought we elders were over the hill, Thoughts are the same delivery
takes longer,
Crank is being checked, Hamilton blades don't look too good, prop extension will
be replaced.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments -- pretty girls |
Lowell,
If I remember correctly, I heard tell of a Hamilton prop on a T-Craft
for sale at Olson Airport (outside Elgin, IL) a few months back.
The airport owner, John Olson, told the guy to take the Hamilton off and
put a Sensenich prop on it so the plane would sell. I'll ask around the
airport and try to find out what happened to the plane and/or prop and
get back to you.
Cheers,
Dan
Pieti Lowell wrote:
>
> And you guys thought we elders were over the hill, Thoughts are the same delivery
takes longer,
> Crank is being checked, Hamilton blades don't look too good, prop extension will
be replaced.
>
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255830#255830
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Hi Shad,
Just to clarify - Tres Clements and Ryan Malherbe flew N8031 across the
country. Man, what I wouldn't have given to been able to do that trip!
Anyway, N8031 found a new home yesterday at Olson Airport just west of
Elgin, IL. Ryan and Jessie were there and took some great photos and
video for me since my camera battery chose that inopportune time to die.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
My head is still in a haze. Or in the clouds, however you want to look
at it. I'm kind of speechless. I want to go out to the airport and go
fly it right now, but I have to change the oil first and wait until my
CFI, Stefano, gets back from LA - he's got a lot more time in
taildraggers than I do and this is a new airplane for me so I'm erring
on the side of caution.
Speaking of oil changes and owner performed engine maintenance - Essco
has several manuals for small Continental Engines. One is an operator
manual, one is a maintenance and overhaul manual, one is an operator,
maintenance, and overhaul manual. One is from 1938, another from 1944,
another from 1971, etc. Does anyone have a recommendation on which
manual I should pick for this A-65-8?
Thanks,
Dan
shad bell wrote:
> Dan, I won't nit pick your airplane 1 bit. You flew it farther in a
> week than I will all year. It got you the equivilent of a
> trans-continental flight!! I would have to have an ass-ectomy if I sat
> that long in 92GB. Congrats on one helluva long cross country, and yes
> Randy Bush and I saw it with the racers, and you were the only airplane
> that wasn't plastic, or a factory built "home built".
>
> Shad
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Will,
Thanks. It seems like that or something like it might work in some cases, where
the pull is straight toward the long axis of the bolt. I have thought of other
devices that could fit in the spool of the eyelet at the cable end, but have
a cutout for the shackle pin. With such a device the cable could be tensioned
and the pin and shackle set, and then the tension removed. However that takes
a way to align the tension straight down the cable. It could work for the
seatbelt cables and the like, but the empennage might be more problematic.
We need to hear from someone who so rigged the tail. Speak up, you riggin' magicians.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Will42 <will@cctc.net>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 1:14 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>
>Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your information.
>
>My thought is to make up one end of the brace wires directly to the fitting, then
mount the fittings up with a number of washers between them and the structure,
then make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten,
and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it right.
Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't tried
either, as I said. This would eliminate shackles and turnbuckles; a little
weight and more money. If you try it, let me know you results as I intend to
use the idea.
>
>Will
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
>
>
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| Subject: | Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
Just wanted to post a note on the list saying how much I enjoyed meeting
more of the Pietenpol crew at Brodhead and Oshkosh. I flew out in my
Stinson but spent time talking to the other California Pieters about a
trip out when more of their airplanes are in the air.
It was a real pleasure meeting Gary Boothe from Cool, CA, seeing Jim
Boyer once again, getting a close up look at Gary and Shad Bell's and
Randy Bush's Corvair powered Piets, meeting Don Emch and marveling over
his beautiful Piet with the covered wire wheels, seeing Dick Navratil's
unique wood-grain radial-powered Piet, meeting Jeff Boatright and his
dad (thanks for the videos!) and of course catching up on twenty years'
worth of history with Ernie Moreno over a beer.
I didn't get to see much of William Wynne at Brodhead but got to talk
with Grace a couple times, and saw them again at Oshkosh where I
invited them to chastise me severely for not getting the Pfeifer going
yet so I would move it to the top of the priority list when I got
home. They did.
I would have liked to get a Piet ride but that was my own fault for not
hanging around the group more. I got the oil changed on the Stinson
before going up to Oshkosh and looked around Brodhead a bit, but there
is never enough time to see and do everything and talk to everyone in
such a short time as a long weekend.
It was a kick to walk through the group of Pietenpols up at Oshkosh
where they were displayed just inside the old main gate. With the rain
everyone was battened down but the birds still looked beautiful. Happy
80th birthday!
I recommend a trip to Brodhead for everyone building a Pietenpol. A
Southwest flight into Chicago and a rental car shared between two or
three people is relatively inexpensive and the wealth of information and
inspiration there are priceless.
I even got to run out to the runway with Randy and a bunch of others
when a RV-7A stuck the nose wheel into the turf and turned over. I
walked the last hundred yards with a couple of the other old guys, but
it turned out the pilot wasn't badly injured.
I'm looking forward to getting together with some of the other West
Coast Pieters in September for lunch and swapping stories, and then
getting back to Brodhead in a couple of years to admire all the
beautiful airplanes there.
Thanks for the memories!
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
Sonoma, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
Believe it not, those -A model RV's have quite a habit of burying the
nosewheel.
Like I always say "the little wheel goes in the back".
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
> I even got to run out to the runway with Randy and a bunch of others
> when a RV-7A stuck the nose wheel into the turf and turned over. I
> walked the last hundred yards with a couple of the other old guys,
> but it turned out the pilot wasn't badly injured.
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| Subject: | Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
Darrel,
It was certainly my pleasure to meet you, though it's definitely odd that we
had to travel so far when we only live 80 miles apart!! Someday you may want
to take your Stinson to Georgetown and I'll pick you up and show you may
project.
Realistically, I think I can make Brodhead 2011 in my Piet. In fact, I
hereby throw down the challenge:
West Coast Piet builders - get ready for an historical mecca to Brodhead in
2011 in our Piets!!
I know Mike Groah will be flying by then, and so should Jim Boyer! Chris
Tracy, Mike Weaver...you boys can do it, too! And, Darrel, I take back that
offer to show you my project...you need to spend that day on the Pfeifer, so
you can join us!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh
Just wanted to post a note on the list saying how much I enjoyed meeting
more of the Pietenpol crew at Brodhead and Oshkosh. I flew out in my
Stinson but spent time talking to the other California Pieters about a
trip out when more of their airplanes are in the air.
It was a real pleasure meeting Gary Boothe from Cool, CA, seeing Jim
Boyer once again, getting a close up look at Gary and Shad Bell's and
Randy Bush's Corvair powered Piets, meeting Don Emch and marveling over
his beautiful Piet with the covered wire wheels, seeing Dick Navratil's
unique wood-grain radial-powered Piet, meeting Jeff Boatright and his
dad (thanks for the videos!) and of course catching up on twenty years'
worth of history with Ernie Moreno over a beer.
I didn't get to see much of William Wynne at Brodhead but got to talk
with Grace a couple times, and saw them again at Oshkosh where I
invited them to chastise me severely for not getting the Pfeifer going
yet so I would move it to the top of the priority list when I got
home. They did.
I would have liked to get a Piet ride but that was my own fault for not
hanging around the group more. I got the oil changed on the Stinson
before going up to Oshkosh and looked around Brodhead a bit, but there
is never enough time to see and do everything and talk to everyone in
such a short time as a long weekend.
It was a kick to walk through the group of Pietenpols up at Oshkosh
where they were displayed just inside the old main gate. With the rain
everyone was battened down but the birds still looked beautiful. Happy
80th birthday!
I recommend a trip to Brodhead for everyone building a Pietenpol. A
Southwest flight into Chicago and a rental car shared between two or
three people is relatively inexpensive and the wealth of information and
inspiration there are priceless.
I even got to run out to the runway with Randy and a bunch of others
when a RV-7A stuck the nose wheel into the turf and turned over. I
walked the last hundred yards with a couple of the other old guys, but
it turned out the pilot wasn't badly injured.
I'm looking forward to getting together with some of the other West
Coast Pieters in September for lunch and swapping stories, and then
getting back to Brodhead in a couple of years to admire all the
beautiful airplanes there.
Thanks for the memories!
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
Sonoma, CA
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Be sure and view it full size.
www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Photo |
I see Gary! :P
Thanks Pat, that's an awesome picture.
Ryan
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Panzera <
panzera@experimental-aviation.com> wrote:
> panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
> Be sure and view it full size.
>
> www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
>
> Pat
>
>
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Nice, Pat!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Panzera
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Photo
<panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Be sure and view it full size.
www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
Pat
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> <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
> Be sure and view it full size.
>
> www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
Oops... the file name says 2008, but I shot the photo(s) on Saturday,
7/25/2009.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
I know Rans aircraft used some tabs that had staggered holes for the bolt and Nico
the cable through the other end hole. gives you some take-up adjustment and
you can put a few extra twists in the cable to get just a little more. -I wouldn't
want to un-twist it.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255887#255887
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Yeah, I'm the guy in the hat..
Gary
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Photo
I see Gary! :P
Thanks Pat, that's an awesome picture.
Ryan
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Panzera
<panzera@experimental-aviation.com> wrote:
<panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Be sure and view it full size.
www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Photo |
Hey Pat,
The link doesn't work for me. Hep me!
Thanks,
Jeff
><panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>
>Be sure and view it full size.
>
>www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
>
>Pat
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Photo |
Try this:
http://www.contactmagazine.com/Fly-Ins/Brodhead-2008a.jpg
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 8:04 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Photo
>
>
>Hey Pat,
>
>The link doesn't work for me. Hep me!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>
>><panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
>>
>>Be sure and view it full size.
>>
>>www.contactmagazine.com\Fly-Ins\Brodhead-2008a.jpg
>>
>>Pat
>
>--
>---
>
>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>Emory University School of Medicine
>Editor-in-Chief
>Molecular Vision
>
>
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| Subject: | Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
2011 sounds good to me....that will give me 2010 to finish and fly up there and
work out the squaks... :-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 7:01 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh
>
>
>Darrel,
>
>It was certainly my pleasure to meet you, though it's definitely odd that we
>had to travel so far when we only live 80 miles apart!! Someday you may want
>to take your Stinson to Georgetown and I'll pick you up and show you may
>project.
>
>Realistically, I think I can make Brodhead 2011 in my Piet. In fact, I
>hereby throw down the challenge:
>
>West Coast Piet builders - get ready for an historical mecca to Brodhead in
>2011 in our Piets!!
>
>I know Mike Groah will be flying by then, and so should Jim Boyer! Chris
>Tracy, Mike Weaver...you boys can do it, too! And, Darrel, I take back that
>offer to show you my project...you need to spend that day on the Pfeifer, so
>you can join us!!
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, Ca.
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>(13 ribs down.)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones
>Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:50 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh
>
>
>Just wanted to post a note on the list saying how much I enjoyed meeting
>more of the Pietenpol crew at Brodhead and Oshkosh. I flew out in my
>Stinson but spent time talking to the other California Pieters about a
>trip out when more of their airplanes are in the air.
>
>It was a real pleasure meeting Gary Boothe from Cool, CA, seeing Jim
>Boyer once again, getting a close up look at Gary and Shad Bell's and
>Randy Bush's Corvair powered Piets, meeting Don Emch and marveling over
>his beautiful Piet with the covered wire wheels, seeing Dick Navratil's
>unique wood-grain radial-powered Piet, meeting Jeff Boatright and his
>dad (thanks for the videos!) and of course catching up on twenty years'
>worth of history with Ernie Moreno over a beer.
>
>I didn't get to see much of William Wynne at Brodhead but got to talk
>with Grace a couple times, and saw them again at Oshkosh where I
>invited them to chastise me severely for not getting the Pfeifer going
>yet so I would move it to the top of the priority list when I got
>home. They did.
>
>I would have liked to get a Piet ride but that was my own fault for not
>hanging around the group more. I got the oil changed on the Stinson
>before going up to Oshkosh and looked around Brodhead a bit, but there
>is never enough time to see and do everything and talk to everyone in
>such a short time as a long weekend.
>
>It was a kick to walk through the group of Pietenpols up at Oshkosh
>where they were displayed just inside the old main gate. With the rain
>everyone was battened down but the birds still looked beautiful. Happy
>80th birthday!
>
>I recommend a trip to Brodhead for everyone building a Pietenpol. A
>Southwest flight into Chicago and a rental car shared between two or
>three people is relatively inexpensive and the wealth of information and
>inspiration there are priceless.
>
>I even got to run out to the runway with Randy and a bunch of others
>when a RV-7A stuck the nose wheel into the turf and turned over. I
>walked the last hundred yards with a couple of the other old guys, but
>it turned out the pilot wasn't badly injured.
>
>I'm looking forward to getting together with some of the other West
>Coast Pieters in September for lunch and swapping stories, and then
>getting back to Brodhead in a couple of years to admire all the
>beautiful airplanes there.
>
>Thanks for the memories!
>
>Darrel Jones
>Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
>Sonoma, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back from Brodhead and Oshkosh |
Gary,
Done deal! I'll bring my old, out of date charts to the September
meeting so we can start planning our route. We'll be OK as long as they
don't close some airports or put tall towers up along our route. At
least none over 500' AGL.
Darrel
Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Darrel,
>
> It was certainly my pleasure to meet you, though it's definitely odd that we
> had to travel so far when we only live 80 miles apart!! Someday you may want
> to take your Stinson to Georgetown and I'll pick you up and show you may
> project.
>
> Realistically, I think I can make Brodhead 2011 in my Piet. In fact, I
> hereby throw down the challenge:
>
> West Coast Piet builders - get ready for an historical mecca to Brodhead in
> 2011 in our Piets!!
>
> I know Mike Groah will be flying by then, and so should Jim Boyer! Chris
> Tracy, Mike Weaver...you boys can do it, too! And, Darrel, I take back that
> offer to show you my project...you need to spend that day on the Pfeifer, so
> you can join us!!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: camera memory card recovery ? |
try this link
http://pcinspector.de/Sites/smart_recovery/info.htm?language=2
good luck
Ken
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> First off - DO NOT put the card back in the camera!
>
> Resurrecting files depends on how you erased the files - did you erase th
em
> while the card was in the computer or while it was in the camera?
>
> As a first shot - try the instructions in the first section of this web
> page since the files may still be in the recycle bin:
>
> http://www.geekgirls.com/windows_recycle_bin.htm
>
> If that doesn't work, then proceed to use one of these utilities to try t
o
> resurrect the files:
>
> http://www.uneraser.com/undelete.htm
> http://rognerud.com/file-recover
>
> Good luck!
> Dan
>
>
> Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>
>> What are the chances of recovering photos that you (me=97dumb nuts)
>> accidentally erased from your
>>
>> camera memory card ?
>>
>> I figure they are lost and gone forever but thought I=92d throw the ques
tion
>> out there.
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Twist the wire to lengthen or shorten it.
I made up the bottom braces tight enough to have to pull
down a little on the stab to put in the clevis pins on both
sides. Then supported the entire tail on 2X4's just outside
the stab fittings. This tensions the bottom cables. I tied a
milk bottle container to the tail and filled it with bricks
for more tension. The upper cables were already nico'd
to the rudder so I ran them to their respective places on
the stab, set up all the bits, pulled everything tight and
clamped with those U bolt cable clamps. At this point
I ran around tweaking the tension and making absolutely
sure the rudder fin was 90 and straight, the two ends
of the stab were absolutely level with each other using
wynding sticks and then proceeded to do up the nico's,
checking everything after each crimp.
The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
even closer.
All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
one white, the other black. The longer the better.
Clif
Wynding sticks, kinda like the way they built the SR-71.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
> Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your information.
>
make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten,
and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it right.
Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't
tried either, as I said.
> Will
>
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| Subject: | Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! yo se de eso |
hola oscar te entiendo lo dificil que es para my weld partes no me quedo mu
y bien nesesito modificarlo para que aga match con los tagplug pero estoy t
ratando porsierto copie el diseno de stirman fuel gauge y mas omenos estoy
terminandolo tube algun problema para allar partes paresidas pero the thing
nuts son difisil the encontrar para 5/8"d coper thing, pero por hahi ba la
cosa perto estou en el mismo dilema weldig parts dode es mas fasil en cotr
ar el sellador mencionado en el articulo en spruse ho en local storage grac
ias de nuevo por todas tus ideas que son de mucha ayuda .jorge de hanford.
--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split axle fittings: aargh!
Andrew;
I noticed on the beautifully-fabricated set of split-style
landing gearlegs that I bought
from Arlene Walsh's estate (off the Aerial biplane) that
the attach bolt holes were drilled after the legs were fitted
up and that no two of them go straight through the center of
the fitting.- Apparently there are just too many things to
keep lined up by jigging.- However, the legs on 41CC were
made in the conventional way, using Bill Rewey's jig method,
and they slide on fairly easily and are not forced or sprung
into place so there must be a way to do it successfully.
Maybe you can put a pin and lever on the end of the leg and
tweak the fittings into alignment, or are they so far out
that they can't be tweaked a bit?- It sure would be a shame
to have to scrap them and start over.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead photos |
Excellent!
Next time, I'll shave...and maybe wait until I wake up a little more before fielding
questions from the throngs in front of a camera.
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments |
Took 40 minutes to get to Brodhead from my place, 2 hours to get to OSH (lots of
S-turning behind the 'Slow Group'), and an hour flat to get home (90 miles).
Lots of kids had the chance to sit in the airplane at OSH (and by that, I mean
the builders as well as the youngin's).
Hopped a few rides at Brodhead despite some windy conditions...anybody building
that wants to fly a Piet, just let me know next year. I should have #2 finished
by then and #3 should be covered.
Next trip is Blakesburg then back to Brodhead for Grassroots.
Thanks everybody for a great time! Feels SO good to get her in the air at last.
Rob
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