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1. 01:09 AM - Re: Re: trip comments (Jeff Boatright)
2. 03:44 AM - Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! yo se de eso (Jim Markle)
3. 03:55 AM - Re: Re: trip comments (Jack Phillips)
4. 06:13 AM - for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle yet (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
5. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: trip comments (Dan Yocum)
6. 07:13 AM - Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) (Michael Perez)
7. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Tim Willis)
8. 07:53 AM - Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle yet (TulsaFlyer)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Will42)
10. 08:34 AM - Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle yet (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
11. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Ken Howe)
12. 09:35 AM - Re: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) (gcardinal@comcast.net)
13. 09:57 AM - Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle yet (K5YAC)
14. 10:08 AM - Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Dave Abramson)
15. 10:20 AM - turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 10:20 AM - OSH09 Don Emch & Larry Williams after arriving at Oshkosh.jpg (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 10:21 AM - Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Will42)
18. 10:34 AM - Re: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) (Michael Perez)
19. 10:38 AM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Ryan Mueller)
20. 10:52 AM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Ryan Mueller)
21. 10:53 AM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Ryan Mueller)
22. 11:10 AM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Dave Abramson)
23. 11:24 AM - Re: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh (Jim Markle)
24. 11:34 AM - Re: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh (Jeff Boatright)
25. 11:41 AM - Airbus pilots caught bragging (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
26. 11:44 AM - Re: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh (Jack Phillips)
27. 12:13 PM - Re: Airbus pilots caught bragging (TulsaFlyer)
28. 12:23 PM - Re: Airbus pilots caught bragging (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
29. 12:56 PM - Re: Airbus pilots caught bragging (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
30. 01:13 PM - packed in like sardines at Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
31. 01:21 PM - BPA Newsletter (Mike Nipp)
32. 01:42 PM - Re: BPA Newsletter (Will42)
33. 02:12 PM - Re: BPA Newsletter (Ryan Mueller)
34. 02:43 PM - turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh (Oscar Zuniga)
35. 04:53 PM - Brodhead video (Patrick Panzera)
36. 05:05 PM - Re: packed in like sardines at Oshkosh (Gary Boothe)
37. 05:16 PM - Re: Brodhead video (Gary Boothe)
38. 06:40 PM - Re: packed in like sardines at Oshkosh (Mark Roberts)
39. 07:06 PM - Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Will42)
40. 08:15 PM - Re: Brodhead Video (K5YAC)
41. 08:15 PM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (Dan Yocum)
42. 08:21 PM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Darrel Jones)
43. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles (Clif Dawson)
44. 10:44 PM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (Bill Budgell)
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments |
Rob,
It was great meeting you briefly. Your plane is gorgeous. Hopefully
I'll have our Piet up to B'head next year.
Jeff
>
>Took 40 minutes to get to Brodhead from my place, 2 hours to get to
>OSH (lots of S-turning behind the 'Slow Group'), and an hour flat to
>get home (90 miles).
>
>Lots of kids had the chance to sit in the airplane at OSH (and by
>that, I mean the builders as well as the youngin's).
>
>Hopped a few rides at Brodhead despite some windy
>conditions...anybody building that wants to fly a Piet, just let me
>know next year. I should have #2 finished by then and #3 should be
>covered.
>
>Next trip is Blakesburg then back to Brodhead for Grassroots.
>
>Thanks everybody for a great time! Feels SO good to get her in the
>air at last.
>
>Rob
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: Split axle fittings: aargh! yo se de eso |
For the most part I agree but maybe the encontrar para coper thing should be 1/2"
instead of 5/8"???.....
Hey wait, this isn't pig latin........never mind.
-----Original Message-----
>From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 4, 2009 1:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Split axle fittings: aargh! yo se de eso
>
>hola oscar te entiendo lo dificil que es para my weld partes no me quedo muy bien
nesesito modificarlo para que aga match con los tagplug pero estoy tratando
porsierto copie el diseno de stirman fuel gauge y mas omenos estoy terminandolo
tube algun problema para allar partes paresidas pero the thing nuts son difisil
the encontrar para 5/8"d coper thing, pero por hahi ba la cosa perto estou
en el mismo dilema weldig parts dode es mas fasil en cotrar el sellador mencionado
en el articulo en spruse ho en local storage gracias de nuevo por todas
tus ideas que son de mucha ayuda .jorge de hanford.
>
>--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split axle fittings: aargh!
>To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 8:48 AM
>
>
>
>Andrew;
>
>I noticed on the beautifully-fabricated set of split-style
>landing gearlegs that I bought
>from Arlene Walsh's estate (off the Aerial biplane) that
>the attach bolt holes were drilled after the legs were fitted
>up and that no two of them go straight through the center of
>the fitting. Apparently there are just too many things to
>keep lined up by jigging. However, the legs on 41CC were
>made in the conventional way, using Bill Rewey's jig method,
>and they slide on fairly easily and are not forced or sprung
>into place so there must be a way to do it successfully.
>
>Maybe you can put a pin and lever on the end of the leg and
>tweak the fittings into alignment, or are they so far out
>that they can't be tweaked a bit? It sure would be a shame
>to have to scrap them and start over.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>le, List Admin.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments |
Rob,
It was really nice to meet you and to see your airplane. I hope to see you
again at Brodhead in the future. I don't know how many more times I'll
brave the trip over the mountains in mine (3 days instead of 40 minutes for
me), but I'll be there even if I leave the Pietenpol in the hangar. I'll
eventually bring it back again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Icarus Plummet
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skybachs
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: trip comments
Took 40 minutes to get to Brodhead from my place, 2 hours to get to OSH
(lots of S-turning behind the 'Slow Group'), and an hour flat to get home
(90 miles).
Lots of kids had the chance to sit in the airplane at OSH (and by that, I
mean the builders as well as the youngin's).
Hopped a few rides at Brodhead despite some windy conditions...anybody
building that wants to fly a Piet, just let me know next year. I should have
#2 finished by then and #3 should be covered.
Next trip is Blakesburg then back to Brodhead for Grassroots.
Thanks everybody for a great time! Feels SO good to get her in the air at
last.
Rob
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| Subject: | for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle yet |
Here is his shining face next to me at Brodhead two weeks ago. (He's the
Roscoe Turner look-alike contest
winner)
Also pictured are John Hofmann, Ryan & Jess Mueller, and Captain Jack Phill
ips.
Mike C.
PS-thank you to ALL of your great suggestions in data recovery of my photo
memory card. It worked !
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| Subject: | Re: trip comments |
Hi Rob,
skybachs wrote:
>
> Took 40 minutes to get to Brodhead from my place, 2 hours to get to OSH (lots
of S-turning behind the 'Slow Group'), and an hour flat to get home (90 miles).
S-turns? 90mph? What kind of engine do you have on your Piet?
>
> Hopped a few rides at Brodhead despite some windy conditions...anybody building
that wants to fly a Piet, just let me know next year. I should have #2 finished
by then and #3 should be covered.
>
Wait... what? #2 will be done and #3 on the way? Are you going into
the Pietenpol building business?
> Next trip is Blakesburg then back to Brodhead for Grassroots.
>
> Thanks everybody for a great time! Feels SO good to get her in the air at last.
>
I echo everyone else's comments - you've got a fine, fine airplane, there.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) |
Does anyone know what the cut off date is for submitting an article/ad in the next
Pietenpol newsletter?
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Clif,
Thanks. I see how you did it. More or less as I guessed, but with a lot of technique
and finesse I never would have included. Now I will. And thanks for
the wynding/winding sticks-- I'm almost 7 decades old, and they were new to me,
but no longer now. Great.
Do you use Corky's "G Flat" cable tuning method?
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 11:56 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>Twist the wire to lengthen or shorten it.
>
>I made up the bottom braces tight enough to have to pull
>down a little on the stab to put in the clevis pins on both
>sides. Then supported the entire tail on 2X4's just outside
>the stab fittings. This tensions the bottom cables. I tied a
>milk bottle container to the tail and filled it with bricks
>for more tension. The upper cables were already nico'd
>to the rudder so I ran them to their respective places on
>the stab, set up all the bits, pulled everything tight and
>clamped with those U bolt cable clamps. At this point
>I ran around tweaking the tension and making absolutely
>sure the rudder fin was 90 and straight, the two ends
>of the stab were absolutely level with each other using
>wynding sticks and then proceeded to do up the nico's,
>checking everything after each crimp.
>
>The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
>to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
>even closer.
>
>All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
>one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>
>Clif
>
>Wynding sticks, kinda like the way they built the SR-71.
>
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>
>> Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your information.
>>
>make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten,
>and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it right.
>Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't
>tried either, as I said.
>
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
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>
>
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>17:56:00
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| Subject: | Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle |
yet
I had the pleasure of meeting Jim this past weekend. Mark (K5YAC) and I drove out
to Jim's place to check out his progress.
Won't be long now Jim!!
Oh yeah Jim......ya' got that mailbox fixed yet? :P
Jody
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
> to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
> even closer.
>
> All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
> one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
Clif; can you provide more info on the wynding sticks; I don't know about this.
Thanks so much...................Will
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| Subject: | Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle |
yet
Thanks, I think that the picture in the Post Office looks a lot more like
him!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
There's a brief description on Wikipedia - explains it better than I could.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winding_sticks
You could also search the woodworker's forums.
--Ken
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:20:37 -0700, "Will42" <will@cctc.net> wrote:
>
>
> CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
>> The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
>> to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
>> even closer.
>>
>> All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
>> one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>>
>>
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>
> Clif; can you provide more info on the wynding sticks; I don't know about
> this. Thanks so much...................Will
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) |
Approximately August 31st.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:00:10 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter)
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| Subject: | Re: for those of you who might not have met Jim Markle |
yet
That is the guy from the Paris Air Show, right?
Yeah, Jody is right... kind of hard to look for an address when the mailbox door
is missing?
You think that thing will fly with just one set of uprights on the spars? Looking
a little spooky. LOL!
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
Hello all!
Does anyone know where that Bleriot came from that was at Brodhead????
Makes the Pietenpol look a little small too!
Cheers,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
Willis
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
Clif,
Thanks. I see how you did it. More or less as I guessed, but with a lot of technique
and finesse I never would have included. Now I will. And thanks for
the wynding/winding sticks-- I'm almost 7 decades old, and they were new to me,
but no longer now. Great.
Do you use Corky's "G Flat" cable tuning method?
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 11:56 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>Twist the wire to lengthen or shorten it.
>
>I made up the bottom braces tight enough to have to pull
>down a little on the stab to put in the clevis pins on both
>sides. Then supported the entire tail on 2X4's just outside
>the stab fittings. This tensions the bottom cables. I tied a
>milk bottle container to the tail and filled it with bricks
>for more tension. The upper cables were already nico'd
>to the rudder so I ran them to their respective places on
>the stab, set up all the bits, pulled everything tight and
>clamped with those U bolt cable clamps. At this point
>I ran around tweaking the tension and making absolutely
>sure the rudder fin was 90 and straight, the two ends
>of the stab were absolutely level with each other using
>wynding sticks and then proceeded to do up the nico's,
>checking everything after each crimp.
>
>The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
>to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
>even closer.
>
>All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
>one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>
>Clif
>
>Wynding sticks, kinda like the way they built the SR-71.
>
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>
>> Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your information.
>>
>make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten,
>and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it right.
>Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't
>tried either, as I said.
>
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
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>17:56:00
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| Subject: | turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
$1020012
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| Subject: | OSH09 Don Emch & Larry Williams after arriving at Oshkosh.jpg |
Don is on left, Larry on right. By Larry's Ford Pietenpol.
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
OK; I've used this for years, just didn't know they had a name. Thanks for the
info.
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter) |
Thanks.
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, gcardinal@comcast.net <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
From: gcardinal@comcast.net <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter)
#yiv2093032156 p {margin:0;}
Approximately August 31st.
-
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:00:10 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cut off for ad/article (Piet. news letter)
Does anyone know what the cut off date is for submitting an article/ad in t
he next Pietenpol newsletter?
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| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
That's Eric Presten's Bleriot. If I recall correctly Eric is from
California, so I would imagine the airplane will be headed back out to the
West Coast.
The airplane is an Airdrome Airplanes kit. Eric was involved with the test
flying of an Airdrome Bleriot that went over to France to reenact the 100th
anniversary of the flight over the Channel with a couple other Bleriots:
http://www.bleriot.org/
He liked the airplane so much that he wanted one of his own. He, his wife,
and their children built their Bleriot in approximately 26 days from start
to finish (!). Eric was nice enough to let Jess and I sit in the airplane a
t
Brodhead, and I even got to run the engine! It's has a Rotec like Dick N's
Piet, and has wing warping for roll control. It feels like you would
definitely have to wrestle it around a bit. It's a pretty neat airplane.
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Dave Abramson
<davea@symbolicdisplays.com>wrote:
> davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>
> Hello all!
>
> Does anyone know where that Bleriot came from that was at Brodhead????
>
> Makes the Pietenpol look a little small too!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
> Willis
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:47 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>
> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> Clif,
> Thanks. I see how you did it. More or less as I guessed, but with a lot
> of technique and finesse I never would have included. Now I will. And
> thanks for the wynding/winding sticks-- I'm almost 7 decades old, and the
y
> were new to me, but no longer now. Great.
>
> Do you use Corky's "G Flat" cable tuning method?
>
> Tim in central TX
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
> >Sent: Aug 3, 2009 11:56 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
> >
> >Twist the wire to lengthen or shorten it.
> >
> >I made up the bottom braces tight enough to have to pull
> >down a little on the stab to put in the clevis pins on both
> >sides. Then supported the entire tail on 2X4's just outside
> >the stab fittings. This tensions the bottom cables. I tied a
> >milk bottle container to the tail and filled it with bricks
> >for more tension. The upper cables were already nico'd
> >to the rudder so I ran them to their respective places on
> >the stab, set up all the bits, pulled everything tight and
> >clamped with those U bolt cable clamps. At this point
> >I ran around tweaking the tension and making absolutely
> >sure the rudder fin was 90=B0 and straight, the two ends
> >of the stab were absolutely level with each other using
> >wynding sticks and then proceeded to do up the nico's,
> >checking everything after each crimp.
> >
> >The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
> >to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
> >even closer.
> >
> >All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
> >one white, the other black. The longer the better.
> >
> >Clif
> >
> >Wynding sticks, kinda like the way they built the SR-71.
> >
> >
> >
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
> >
> >
> >> Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your
> information.
> >>
> >make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighten
,
> >and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it
> right.
> >Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't
> >tried either, as I said.
> >
> >> Will
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
> >
> >
> >
> >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >17:56:00
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
Here's a video interview with Robert Baslee, the manufacturer of the
kit.......pretty interesting:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2992912/bleriot_xi_airdrome_aeroplanes_blerio
t_xi_replica/
It starts at about 1:30....
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's Eric Presten's Bleriot. If I recall correctly Eric is from
> California, so I would imagine the airplane will be headed back out to th
e
> West Coast.
>
> The airplane is an Airdrome Airplanes kit. Eric was involved with the tes
t
> flying of an Airdrome Bleriot that went over to France to reenact the 100
th
> anniversary of the flight over the Channel with a couple other Bleriots:
>
> http://www.bleriot.org/
>
> He liked the airplane so much that he wanted one of his own. He, his wife
,
> and their children built their Bleriot in approximately 26 days from star
t
> to finish (!). Eric was nice enough to let Jess and I sit in the airplane
at
> Brodhead, and I even got to run the engine! It's has a Rotec like Dick N'
s
> Piet, and has wing warping for roll control. It feels like you would
> definitely have to wrestle it around a bit. It's a pretty neat airplane.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Dave Abramson <davea@symbolicdisplays.co
m
> > wrote:
>
>> davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>>
>> Hello all!
>>
>> Does anyone know where that Bleriot came from that was at Brodhead????
>>
>> Makes the Pietenpol look a little small too!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
>> Willis
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:47 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>>
>>
>> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Clif,
>> Thanks. I see how you did it. More or less as I guessed, but with a lo
t
>> of technique and finesse I never would have included. Now I will. And
>> thanks for the wynding/winding sticks-- I'm almost 7 decades old, and th
ey
>> were new to me, but no longer now. Great.
>>
>> Do you use Corky's "G Flat" cable tuning method?
>>
>> Tim in central TX
>> do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>> >Sent: Aug 3, 2009 11:56 PM
>> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>> >
>> >Twist the wire to lengthen or shorten it.
>> >
>> >I made up the bottom braces tight enough to have to pull
>> >down a little on the stab to put in the clevis pins on both
>> >sides. Then supported the entire tail on 2X4's just outside
>> >the stab fittings. This tensions the bottom cables. I tied a
>> >milk bottle container to the tail and filled it with bricks
>> >for more tension. The upper cables were already nico'd
>> >to the rudder so I ran them to their respective places on
>> >the stab, set up all the bits, pulled everything tight and
>> >clamped with those U bolt cable clamps. At this point
>> >I ran around tweaking the tension and making absolutely
>> >sure the rudder fin was 90=B0 and straight, the two ends
>> >of the stab were absolutely level with each other using
>> >wynding sticks and then proceeded to do up the nico's,
>> >checking everything after each crimp.
>> >
>> >The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
>> >to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
>> >even closer.
>> >
>> >All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
>> >one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>> >
>> >Clif
>> >
>> >Wynding sticks, kinda like the way they built the SR-71.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>> >
>> >
>> >> Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your
>> information.
>> >>
>> >make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers, tighte
n,
>> >and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it
>> right.
>> >Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't
>> >tried either, as I said.
>> >
>> >> Will
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> >17:56:00
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
And one more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1A8Pcmcf_o
Sorry about the piecemeal posts on this.....this will be the last one. :P
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a video interview with Robert Baslee, the manufacturer of the
> kit.......pretty interesting:
>
>
> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2992912/bleriot_xi_airdrome_aeroplanes_bler
iot_xi_replica/
>
> It starts at about 1:30....
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>wrote
:
>
>> That's Eric Presten's Bleriot. If I recall correctly Eric is from
>> California, so I would imagine the airplane will be headed back out to t
he
>> West Coast.
>>
>> The airplane is an Airdrome Airplanes kit. Eric was involved with the te
st
>> flying of an Airdrome Bleriot that went over to France to reenact the 10
0th
>> anniversary of the flight over the Channel with a couple other Bleriots:
>>
>> http://www.bleriot.org/
>>
>> He liked the airplane so much that he wanted one of his own. He, his wif
e,
>> and their children built their Bleriot in approximately 26 days from sta
rt
>> to finish (!). Eric was nice enough to let Jess and I sit in the airplan
e at
>> Brodhead, and I even got to run the engine! It's has a Rotec like Dick N
's
>> Piet, and has wing warping for roll control. It feels like you would
>> definitely have to wrestle it around a bit. It's a pretty neat airplane.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Dave Abramson <
>> davea@symbolicdisplays.com> wrote:
>>
>>> davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>>>
>>> Hello all!
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where that Bleriot came from that was at Brodhead????
>>>
>>> Makes the Pietenpol look a little small too!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
>>> Willis
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:47 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>>>
>>>
>>> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Clif,
>>> Thanks. I see how you did it. More or less as I guessed, but with a l
ot
>>> of technique and finesse I never would have included. Now I will. And
>>> thanks for the wynding/winding sticks-- I'm almost 7 decades old, and t
hey
>>> were new to me, but no longer now. Great.
>>>
>>> Do you use Corky's "G Flat" cable tuning method?
>>>
>>> Tim in central TX
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>> >Sent: Aug 3, 2009 11:56 PM
>>> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>>> >
>>> >Twist the wire to lengthen or shorten it.
>>> >
>>> >I made up the bottom braces tight enough to have to pull
>>> >down a little on the stab to put in the clevis pins on both
>>> >sides. Then supported the entire tail on 2X4's just outside
>>> >the stab fittings. This tensions the bottom cables. I tied a
>>> >milk bottle container to the tail and filled it with bricks
>>> >for more tension. The upper cables were already nico'd
>>> >to the rudder so I ran them to their respective places on
>>> >the stab, set up all the bits, pulled everything tight and
>>> >clamped with those U bolt cable clamps. At this point
>>> >I ran around tweaking the tension and making absolutely
>>> >sure the rudder fin was 90=B0 and straight, the two ends
>>> >of the stab were absolutely level with each other using
>>> >wynding sticks and then proceeded to do up the nico's,
>>> >checking everything after each crimp.
>>> >
>>> >The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
>>> >to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
>>> >even closer.
>>> >
>>> >All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
>>> >one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>>> >
>>> >Clif
>>> >
>>> >Wynding sticks, kinda like the way they built the SR-71.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your
>>> information.
>>> >>
>>> >make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers,
>>> tighten,
>>> >and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it
>>> right.
>>> >Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven'
t
>>> >tried either, as I said.
>>> >
>>> >> Will
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Read this topic online here:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> >17:56:00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
Thanks Ryan!
I thought the Airdrome Bleriot was not full scale. That one looks to be
full size!
I will check it out! WOW! Built in 26 days!!!!! I guess they trailered it
out there.....
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:35 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!!
That's Eric Presten's Bleriot. If I recall correctly Eric is from
California, so I would imagine the airplane will be headed back out to the
West Coast.
The airplane is an Airdrome Airplanes kit. Eric was involved with the test
flying of an Airdrome Bleriot that went over to France to reenact the 100th
anniversary of the flight over the Channel with a couple other Bleriots:
http://www.bleriot.org/
He liked the airplane so much that he wanted one of his own. He, his wife,
and their children built their Bleriot in approximately 26 days from start
to finish (!). Eric was nice enough to let Jess and I sit in the airplane at
Brodhead, and I even got to run the engine! It's has a Rotec like Dick N's
Piet, and has wing warping for roll control. It feels like you would
definitely have to wrestle it around a bit. It's a pretty neat airplane.
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Dave Abramson
<davea@symbolicdisplays.com> wrote:
<davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
Hello all!
Does anyone know where that Bleriot came from that was at Brodhead????
Makes the Pietenpol look a little small too!
Cheers,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
Willis
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:47 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Clif,
Thanks. I see how you did it. More or less as I guessed, but with a
lot of technique and finesse I never would have included. Now I will. And
thanks for the wynding/winding sticks-- I'm almost 7 decades old, and they
were new to me, but no longer now. Great.
Do you use Corky's "G Flat" cable tuning method?
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 11:56 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>Twist the wire to lengthen or shorten it.
>
>I made up the bottom braces tight enough to have to pull
>down a little on the stab to put in the clevis pins on both
>sides. Then supported the entire tail on 2X4's just outside
>the stab fittings. This tensions the bottom cables. I tied a
>milk bottle container to the tail and filled it with bricks
>for more tension. The upper cables were already nico'd
>to the rudder so I ran them to their respective places on
>the stab, set up all the bits, pulled everything tight and
>clamped with those U bolt cable clamps. At this point
>I ran around tweaking the tension and making absolutely
>sure the rudder fin was 90 and straight, the two ends
>of the stab were absolutely level with each other using
>wynding sticks and then proceeded to do up the nico's,
>checking everything after each crimp.
>
>The wynding stick method, ancient as it is, is accurate
>to more than a hundredth of a degree. With a good eye
>even closer.
>
>All you need are two straight, square sticks or tubes,
>one white, the other black. The longer the better.
>
>Clif
>
>Wynding sticks, kinda like the way they built the SR-71.
>
>
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
>
>> Tim; I haven't tried this idea as yet but here it is for your
information.
>>
>make up the other ends as tight as possible, remove the washers,
tighten,
>and all should be tight. This may take some trial & error to get it
right.
>Seems like this will be easier using cable than hard wire but I haven't
>tried either, as I said.
>
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255792#255792
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>17:56:00
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| Subject: | Re: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
THAT is a COOL picture!
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Aug 4, 2009 1:16 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh
>
>
>$1020012
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
What a thrill! Thanks for share,
J
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| Subject: | Airbus pilots caught bragging |
" I overheard them saying "you know we used the same runway that the Pieten
pols used when they
arrived"
Of course I'm kidding but thought about that after they landed that monster
A-380 on Runway 36L......just
like we did. (but we turned off way earlier)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
If you look closely, you can see the wing of my Piet, ahead of Mike's. My
wing is about even with the middle of the runway, and off to the right, on
final for 36L. Don Emch is right at the end of the runway, just about to
touch down. Five others had landed just ahead of Don. Quite a show,
landing eight Pietenpols in a row there.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh
$1020012
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| Subject: | Re: Airbus pilots caught bragging |
Well, at least the Piet's didn't "smash" the runway. [Shocked]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256015#256015
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| Subject: | Re: Airbus pilots caught bragging |
Mike, I think you could safely land a Piet in either the width or length
of
the Airbus.
When I saw the C-5 sitting there with both ends open I told Randi that was
their low resistance economy cruise mode ...air just goes straight throug
h
it =) She's blond but not that blond.
We delivered our first Piet 0-200 mount to Paul Siegel at osh. If anyone
needs one, the fixture is adjustable in both fuselage width and offset fro
m
the firewall. See our web site below.
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ay that the
Pietenpols used when they
arrived=9D
Of course I=99m kidding but thought about that after they landed th
at
monster A-380 on Runway 36Ljust
like we did. (but we turned off way earlier)
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| Subject: | packed in like sardines at Oshkosh |
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Hello everyone. I have a question on the BPA newsletter. I attended
the presentation that Bill Rewey did at Oshkosh regarding building a
Pietenpol. In the paper he handed out it says the address for BPA is:
BPA
Independent Register
P.O. Box 225
Broadhead, WI 53520-0255
But on the http://www.pietenpols.org website, it says the address is:
Brodhead Pietenpol Association
PO Box 3501
Oshkosh, WI 54901
Are these the same organization? I would like to subscribe to the
newsletter but want to send the $16 to the right place.
Thanks!
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
My July newsletter gives the Oshkosh address.
Will
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter |
Mike,
Same organization, but the Brodhead address is old. Send your $ to the
Oshkosh address. Have a good day,
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Mike Nipp <mikenipp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I have a question on the BPA newsletter. I attended
> the presentation that Bill Rewey did at Oshkosh regarding building a
> Pietenpol. In the paper he handed out it says the address for BPA is:
>
> BPA
> Independent Register
> P.O. Box 225
> Broadhead, WI 53520-0255
>
> But on the http://www.pietenpols.org website, it says the address is:
>
> Brodhead Pietenpol Association
> PO Box 3501
> Oshkosh, WI 54901
>
> Are these the same organization? I would like to subscribe to the
> newsletter but want to send the $16 to the right place.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | turning base to final for runway 36L at Oshkosh |
Man, I don't know about you guys but flying that final
would take me about 10 minutes in 41CC, and that's at
cruise power! Talk about draggin' it in...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Departures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVvgEaEFcTQ
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| Subject: | packed in like sardines at Oshkosh |
Mike,
Sure glad you resurrected those pics from the dead.err.deleted! Keep 'em
coming.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: packed in like sardines at Oshkosh
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Pat,
Very well done! And I got a lot of compliments on that wide view you sent
out yesterday! Thank you...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Panzera
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead video
<panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
Departures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVvgEaEFcTQ
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| Subject: | Re: packed in like sardines at Oshkosh |
Ditto! More More!
Mark
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mike,
>
>
> Sure glad you resurrected those pics from the dead=85err=85deleted! Keep
=91em
> coming=85
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (13 ribs down=85)
>
> Do not archive
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Cuy, Michael D.
> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:12 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: packed in like sardines at Oshkosh
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Clif; I like you chain link shackles. What size chain did you use for what size
cable.
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Video |
Cool video Pat. We missed Sunday... I'll bet that was neat.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Phew. It's been a long couple of days. My wife has been really
stressed out over the plane purchase and when she gets stressed, the
house gets cleaned. Wwhen she goes on a cleaning binge I have to
protect my stuff lest it gets "cleaned" out into the trash cans!
She is getting used to the idea, just slowly.
Anyway...
Thanks for the feedback from everyone.
Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I looked N8031 over and I think it's great. This is just my opinion, but
> I think you should do a thorough preflight, maybe get a couple more
> knowledgeable people to go over the plane too, and then go fly! Life if
> really short, and the time that we have to fly is much, much shorter.
Yeah, the experimental physicist in me coming out and sometimes I need
to "just do it!" In other words, shut up and fly, Dan. Sage advice,
Jeff, thanks!
>
> As to your list, I comment on the items below:
>
>> - replace exhaust pipes - they're soft steel and starting to rust
>
> Everything in life is perpetually "starting to rust". Wait until there's
> a hole, then patch it. Rinse, repeat. If they get really knarly (like,
> in 10 years), maybe replace, but replace with mild steel. In my limited
> experience, stainless cracks easier. I've had two pipes depart the
> airplane (!), and they were professionally welded.
'nuff said. I won't worry about them until I need to worry about them.
>
>> - the finish has hairline cracks over the turtledeck stringers and there
>> are some circular rings on the horizontal stabilizer. Popular
>> consensus is that it's covered in original 1979 Stits Poly-fiber. How
>> long before I need to consider rejuvenating or recovering (I realize
>> that a punch test should really be performed...)?
>
> Punch test should be done at the annual condition inspection regardless
> of paint condition. Rejuvenator worked for me, can be played around
> with next rainy day.
Logs say it's Stits Polyfiber with Deero(sp?) Liquid Porcelain (Prairie
Gold) with blue 6920-0 Dulux trim. It was repainted in '98 with Sherwin
Williams (which explains the 50# weight gain!).
>> - There are some bubbles on the leading edge and wrinkles above the ribs
>> on the trailing edge, near the center of the plane. Not sure what
>> these are signs of...
>
> Me either. Send us pix.
The bubbles only appear on the left wing, not the right. I'm going to
venture a guess that he covered that wing first.
Here are picts of the wrinkles aft of the trailing spar:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2516
Logs say this:
6-20-85 T.T. 46 Hrs Aircraft stored - Rib stiching aft of rear spar rt.
wing cut by rodent. Replaced all ribb[sic] stiching aft of spar, wings
installed and rigged. Aircraft test flown OK...
>
>> - The elevator should be rebuilt - it's pretty warped. Sounds like a
>> good winter job.
>
> It just flew further than most Piets ever have. Maybe that warp provides
> perfect rigging? :) Also, do you mean one or both of the elevators, or
> do you mean the horizontal stabilizer? If it's the stab, maybe the warp
> can be handled by adjusting the flying wires.
Oh shoot, I was going to take a picture of this today, too. It's the
elevator, not the horizontal stabilizer.
>
>> - The static port needs to be put somewhere on the side of the plane,
>> not at the top of the jury strut even with the bottom of the wing.
>
> Static port? What's that? Try removing the port line into the altimeter,
> replacing with a plastic screw plug (hardware store item; sorry, can't
> remember thread stats) that you've drilled a tiny hole in.
Heh. There's a VSI in the cockpit! Makes me chuckle.
>
>> - Whoever built it really liked welding. The diagonal cabanes are
>> welded to the upright cabanes - there's no chance of just moving the
>> wing back a little with the current set up. The lift strut wing
>> fittings are welded, too - no pivoting is allowed.
>
> The cabanes welds are a potential positive safety feature - see
> archives. The lift struts being welded seems strange. Please send pix.
Here are picts:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2514
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2509
I will go search the archives about welded diagonal cabanes.
>
>> - Gap seals on the ailerons, rudder, and elevators. This is a
>> no-brainer.
>
> Yep. We're still running the same "translucent" duct tape we installed
> three years ago. Another rainy day project. BTW, does the rudder really
> need it? I don't know; what are other's experiences?
So, Tres is an aerospace engineer with a company that build UAVs for
government use. He noticed that in a full slip the rudder pressure goes
to zero and it won't just naturally return to neutral position, so they
put yarn tufts all over the vertical stabilizer and rudder and video
taped what happened. The rudder actually stalls in the slip. My guess
is that since so much air is able to get through the gap between
stabilizer and the rudder it exacerbates the problem and helps the
stall. This is all gut feeling, intuition on my part. I could be way
off. Gap seal shouldn't hurt on the rudder, though.
Now to go fly...
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
Dave Abramson wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
> Does anyone know where that Bleriot came from that was at Brodhead????
>
> Makes the Pietenpol look a little small too!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
The Bleriot XI belongs to Eric and Debbie Presten from Sonoma, CA. It is
an Airdrome Airplane from Rob Baslee in St. Louis, MO. Eric, Debbie and
their two boys Curtis and Ben put it together in 29 calendar days to
have it ready for Brodhead and Oshkosh. He test flew it then towed it to
Brodhead where it made a few hops down the field.
Eric is a photographer and author and self-publishes books on vintage
and antique airplanes. If you saw the Bleriot you probably saw Eric,
Debbie and the kids under the wing selling books. Eric also test-flew
the Nieuports Baslee built for the movie Flyboys and also flew another
Bleriot replica for the upcoming Amelia Erhart movie.
Eric will base the Bleriot at Sonoma Skypark after the airshow and
fly-in season. If any of you are out in the area, there are a number of
interesting airplanes based there as well as at the Schellville airport
two miles away.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles |
Just think. With a long enough pair we could prove the
world is flat.
At least in Manitoba where you can watch your dog run
away for three days. :-)
Sorry Will, I can't remember what size, just that the pin
hole is 3/16". It will be in the archives somewhere.
Also, just that one size for everything.
No on the Gb. I was too chicken to keep putting more
bricks in the milk case.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will42" <will@cctc.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tensioning cables without turnbuckles
>
> OK; I've used this for years, just didn't know they had a name. Thanks for
> the info.
>
> Will
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=255992#255992
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Unless you have broken or rotted wood in your wings. then that is just a ba
d covering job. the fabric has not been shrunk enough to the proper tempatu
re. reshrink it or take it offf and recover the wing.
Bill Budgell
CAP Aviation
Tel: 705-422-1604 Cell:705-330-5763
Fax: 705-422-1604
Email: capaviation@rogers.com
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ok, lemme have it!
Received: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:02 PM
Phew.- It's been a long couple of days.- My wife has been really stress
ed out over the plane purchase and when she gets stressed, the house gets c
leaned.- Wwhen she goes on a cleaning binge I have to protect my stuff le
st it gets "cleaned" out into the trash cans!
She is getting used to the idea, just slowly.
Anyway...
Thanks for the feedback from everyone.
Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I looked N8031 over and I think it's great. This is just my opinion, but
I think you should do a thorough preflight, maybe get a couple more knowled
geable people to go over the plane too, and then go fly! Life if really sho
rt, and the time that we have to fly is much, much shorter.
Yeah, the experimental physicist in me coming out and sometimes I need to "
just do it!"- In other words, shut up and fly, Dan.- Sage advice, Jeff,
thanks!
>
> As to your list, I comment on the items below:
>
>> - replace exhaust pipes - they're soft steel and starting to rust
>
> Everything in life is perpetually "starting to rust". Wait until there's
a hole, then patch it. Rinse, repeat. If they get really knarly (like, in 1
0 years), maybe replace, but replace with mild steel. In my limited experie
nce, stainless cracks easier. I've had two pipes depart the airplane (!), a
nd they were professionally welded.
'nuff said.- I won't worry about them until I need to worry about them.
>
>> - the finish has hairline cracks over the turtledeck stringers and there
>>---are some circular rings on the horizontal stabilizer.- Popular
>>---consensus is that it's covered in original 1979 Stits Poly-fiber
.- How
>>---long before I need to consider rejuvenating or recovering (I rea
lize
>>---that a punch test should really be performed...)?
>
> Punch test should be done at the annual condition inspection regardless o
f paint condition. Rejuvenator worked for me,- can be played around with
next rainy day.
Logs say it's Stits Polyfiber with Deero(sp?) Liquid Porcelain (Prairie Gol
d) with blue 6920-0 Dulux trim.- It was repainted in '98 with Sherwin Wil
liams (which explains the 50# weight gain!).
>> - There are some bubbles on the leading edge and wrinkles above the ribs
>>---on the trailing edge, near the center of the plane.- Not sure
what
>>---these are signs of...
>
> Me either. Send us pix.
The bubbles only appear on the left wing, not the right.- I'm going to ve
nture a guess that he covered that wing first.
Here are picts of the wrinkles aft of the trailing spar:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2516
Logs say this:
6-20-85 T.T. 46 Hrs Aircraft stored - Rib stiching aft of rear spar rt. win
g cut by rodent.- Replaced all ribb[sic] stiching aft of spar, wings inst
alled and rigged.- Aircraft test flown OK...
>
>> - The elevator should be rebuilt - it's pretty warped.- Sounds like a
>>---good winter job.
>
> It just flew further than most Piets ever have. Maybe that warp provides
perfect rigging? :) Also, do you mean one or both of the elevators, or do y
ou mean the horizontal stabilizer? If it's the stab, maybe the warp can be
handled by adjusting the flying wires.
Oh shoot, I was going to take a picture of this today, too.- It's the ele
vator, not the horizontal stabilizer.
>
>> - The static port needs to be put somewhere on the side of the plane,
>>---not at the top of the jury strut even with the bottom of the win
g.
>
> Static port? What's that? Try removing the port line into the altimeter,
replacing with a plastic screw plug (hardware store item; sorry, can't reme
mber thread stats) that you've drilled a tiny hole in.
Heh.- There's a VSI in the cockpit!- Makes me chuckle.
>
>> - Whoever built it really liked welding.- The diagonal cabanes are
>>---welded to the upright cabanes - there's no chance of just moving
the
>>---wing back a little with the current set up.- The lift strut wi
ng
>>---fittings are welded, too - no pivoting is allowed.
>
> The cabanes welds are a potential positive safety feature - see archives.
The lift struts being welded seems strange. Please send pix.
Here are picts:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2514
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2509
I will go search the archives about welded diagonal cabanes.
>
>> - Gap seals on the ailerons, rudder, and elevators.- This is a
>>---no-brainer.
>
> Yep. We're still running the same "translucent" duct tape we installed th
ree years ago. Another rainy day project. BTW, does the rudder really need
it? I don't know; what are other's experiences?
So, Tres is an aerospace engineer with a company that build UAVs for govern
ment use.- He noticed that in a full slip the rudder pressure goes to zer
o and it won't just naturally return to neutral position, so they put yarn
tufts all over the vertical stabilizer and rudder and video taped what happ
ened.- The rudder actually stalls in the slip.- My guess is that since
so much air is able to get through the gap between stabilizer and the rudde
r it exacerbates the problem and helps the stall.- This is all gut feelin
g, intuition on my part.- I could be way off.- Gap seal shouldn't hurt
on the rudder, though.
Now to go fly...
Dan
-- Dan Yocum
Fermilab- 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab.- Just zeros and ones.
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