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1. 05:18 AM - excellent YouTube videos posted by you guys ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
2. 05:35 AM - Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
3. 06:44 AM - Re: Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping , Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping (Steve Ruse)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: corvair mounts (Gary Boothe)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (Jeff Boatright)
6. 09:34 AM - A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
7. 09:49 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Gary Boothe)
8. 10:12 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Jack Phillips)
9. 10:20 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
10. 10:22 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Jack Phillips)
11. 10:39 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Wayne Bressler)
12. 10:49 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
13. 11:16 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
14. 11:16 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Jeff Boatright)
15. 12:10 PM - if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 01:00 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy (K5YAC)
17. 01:15 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy (Jerry Dotson)
18. 01:16 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done , if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (Steve Ruse)
19. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
20. 02:41 PM - Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Will42)
21. 02:55 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Baldeagle)
22. 03:14 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (Rick Holland)
23. 03:16 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (helspersew@aol.com)
24. 03:16 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Gary Boothe)
25. 03:20 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (VAHOWDY@aol.com)
26. 03:26 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Jack Phillips)
27. 03:35 PM - The Fisherman ! Ray Axiillou Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
28. 04:11 PM - how high was I flying ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
29. 04:22 PM - Re: how high was I flying ? (Gary Boothe)
30. 04:24 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Gene & Tammy)
31. 04:26 PM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Pieti Lowell)
32. 05:05 PM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (skybachs)
33. 05:10 PM - Grassroots 2009 (skybachs)
34. 06:04 PM - Re: Grassroots 2009 (Jack Phillips)
35. 06:09 PM - KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
36. 06:40 PM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Darrel Jones)
37. 07:15 PM - Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear (Will42)
38. 07:41 PM - Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear (skybachs)
39. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
40. 09:47 PM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Ryan Mueller)
41. 09:55 PM - Re: Re: corvair mounts (Ryan Mueller)
42. 10:14 PM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Gary Boothe)
43. 11:12 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (shad bell)
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| Subject: | excellent YouTube videos posted by you guys ! |
THANK you all so much (Jeff Boatright, Jim Markle...and I'm sure I'm missin
g someone or two) for posting
all of those videos from Brodhead on YouTube. Just fantastic. Some of
you captured the same action
from different angles even. Super stuff. I'll be watching those in Febr
uary when there is 9" of snow
on the ground.
This will get you started if you missed the post (s) about the videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIywIgxevI&feature=related
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping |
Some of you Great Waldo Pepper movie fans will like this. I was fortunate
to be able to meet Steve Ruse
last Friday morning at Oshkosh and see his well-traveled airplane. Sure
is nice to see some younger blood
getting into Pietenpols---not that there is anything wrong with the veteran
s-they sure know a bunch.
After I got my departure briefing from the guys in the shack by the brown a
rch I pushed the airplane to
the flight line and was looking for a qualified person to prop me and saw S
teve again. I didn't even have
to think about how to ask him, the words just came out of my mouth. "I'd
be obliged if you'd prop me Steve"
(substituting Steve for son). Thanks Steve !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping , Pietenpol-List: |
Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping
No problem Mike! It was really great to meet you too. I've always
admired your airplane, as everyone does. Meeting a few of you guys
sure makes me want to go to Broadhead. I'm itching to do it now.
Maybe next year Jim Markle and I can fly up together. Sounds like
several days of sheer fun.
Steve
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>:
> Some of you Great Waldo Pepper movie fans will like this. I was
> fortunate to be able to meet Steve Ruse
> last Friday morning at Oshkosh and see his well-traveled airplane.
> Sure is nice to see some younger blood
> getting into Pietenpols---not that there is anything wrong with the
> veterans-they sure know a bunch.
>
> After I got my departure briefing from the guys in the shack by the
> brown arch I pushed the airplane to
> the flight line and was looking for a qualified person to prop me
> and saw Steve again. I didn't even have
> to think about how to ask him, the words just came out of my mouth.
> "I'd be obliged if you'd prop me Steve"
> (substituting Steve for son). Thanks Steve !
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: corvair mounts |
Hi Ryan,
I did not want to delete this from my inbox without thanking you. Obviously,
I got a little sidetracked with Brodhead and all, but when I got home I did
some real searching. Using the key words in Mark's description, I finally
found these at Summit Racing, online, and had the grommets within 2 days! I
am now ready to get the engine on its mount after I first finish up the
brakes this weekend.
Hopefully all is going well for you and Jess in moving your project to the
hanger/barn. I very much enjoyed meeting both of you.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: corvair mounts
I hadn't noticed the question before, so I may be a bit late with this. From
the Corvaircraft archives, here is Mark Langford describing what he used to
mount his engine:
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I'm using "Energy Suspension" 9.810R 3/8" I.D. Shock Tower Grommets,
straight from the local speed shop. I think WW may use some that are a
little larger in diameter, but these work too. I used AN6 bolts with
MS21042 steel lock nuts from Wicks. Also, I used 3/8" ID polyurethane
tubing from Home Depot between the engine case and bolt to take up the slack
in that .56 diameter hole in the case. Washers are large diameter AN970-6
from Wicks.
Mark flies the pants off his KR, so you can't go wrong following his lead.
Ryan
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net> wrote:
Well I was at the hardware store and found some 1/2" O.D. Polyethylene
tubing that seems tough. I think I may try that on my bolts where they pass
through the case holes.I will make a mental note to keep watch on them and
see if I can see any wear.for sure it would be a good item to inspect at
annuals.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
Dan,
Your lift strut welds look similar to mine and those of other Piets
that I've seen. See if Westcoast Piet doesn't have some photos of
this fitment on various planes.
It's true that your cabane weldments won't allow moving the wing fore
or aft, but do you really want to? It sounds like Tres has flown it
with a variety of loadings and conducted various maneuvers that
encompass what you'd be doing. Did he do a weight and balance and
find problems? I suggest doing a W&B now and at every condition
inspection anyway, but do you know if your Piet currently has a
problem?
Along these lines, do you know if Tres put the plane through a
complete stall series with various power settings, loadings, and wing
angles (for instance, up to 20 degrees of turn)? Any spins? Knowing
that the plane is safe for these maneuvers will add confidence to
your flying (though spins may be more than anyone is willing to try
if they are not sure about any of these other maneuvers).
I have never seen puckering on wing fabric like that. I would be very
cautious about conducting any of these maneuvers (stalls, spins,
etc.) unless you know that they have been completed before with that
puckering and that nothing dramatic occurs. Seems to me, as suggested
by Bill, that the puckering creates a whole new airfoil. Also, as
Bill suggested, it is certainly possible to shrink the fabric if the
problem was that it wasn't shrunk correctly at installation. Sherwin
Wms comes right off if you apply strong masking tape - it's a
feature, not a bug...
HTH,
Jeff
>
>>>... The lift strut wing
>>> fittings are welded, too - no pivoting is allowed.
>>
>>The cabanes welds are a potential positive safety feature - see
>>archives. The lift struts being welded seems strange. Please send
>>pix.
>
>Here are picts:
>
>http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2514
>http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2509
>
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
I know this isn't Piet related but I didn't realize the Airbus hit the runw
ay carrier-style then PIO'ed a bit after
touchdown. The pilot probably wasn't used to seeing such a short runway.
(6,700')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA
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| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
What a great job!! Critiquing landings at Oshkosh!!................ Where do
I sign up?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh
I know this isn't Piet related but I didn't realize the Airbus hit the
runway carrier-style then PIO'ed a bit after
touchdown. The pilot probably wasn't used to seeing such a short runway.
(6,700')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA
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| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Ugly!!!
And I thought MY landing there looked bad.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh
I know this isn't Piet related but I didn't realize the Airbus hit the
runway carrier-style then PIO'ed a bit after
touchdown. The pilot probably wasn't used to seeing such a short runway.
(6,700')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA
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| Subject: | Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
I knew she wasn't worth top billing.
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| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Whaddya mean? She was the "it girl" of the skies!
For Heaven's sake do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh
I knew she wasn't worth top billing.
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| Subject: | Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Ugh!!! That hurt!
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:30 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> I know this isn=99t Piet related but I didn=99t realize
the Airbus
> hit the runway carrier-style then PIO=99ed a bit after
> touchdown. The pilot probably wasn=99t used to seeing such a
short
> runway. (6,700=99)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA
>
>
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| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
And she wants her name higher and bigger than anyone else's.
again, do not archive
Whaddya mean? She was the "it girl" of the skies!
For Heaven's sake do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
I'll make you unprecedented
do not archive
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| Subject: | A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Sure, I started doing that at Brodhead and then realized by the 3rd
landing that EVERYONE else's landings are better than mine! :-( >:-}
>What a great job!! Critiquing landings at Oshkosh!!................
>Where do I sign up?
>
>Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | if for any other reason than this-- keep building and |
enjoy the view when you're done
Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on Saturday mo
rning heading
from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle seat on a
737.
(and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in the se
at with you !)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy
Maybe I missed it, but you must have recovered your photos. That is a neat shot...
looks like a good place to practice emergency procedures.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy
WOW What a view. Reminds me of late sixties early seventies flying a 450 Stearman
spraying potato bugs just East of Palatka, Fl.
Building rib #23
Jerry Dotson
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy the view when you're done , Pietenpol-List: if for any other reason
than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done
That is a great view! I saw a lot of pretty country in Northern Iowa
on my way up...I never knew that area was so hilly. I think that
roughly 97% of the state must be covered in corn. I'll try to post
some pictures soon.
My only question about your picture is how did you end up so high?
There must've been some terrible updrafts that day!
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>:
> Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on
> Saturday morning heading
> from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle
> seat on a 737.
>
> (and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in
> the seat with you !)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and...
put the frosty mug down and step away from the meister
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
Anyone with information on using hardware store cable vs. the certified stuff.
I see there is lots of difference in the price; what about the strength and quality?
Thoughts? Experience?
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
I wouldn't do it, that cheap stuff is crud. Saving a few bucks that way isn't
worth it.
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy the view when you're done
Thank you Mike, I just set that one as my desktop image on my work laptop.
It will keep my motivation up to get mine in the air ASAP so I can take my
own similar pictures. Great seeing you and the gang at Brodhead.
Rick
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on Saturday
> morning heading
> from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle seat on a
> 737.
>
> (and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in the
> seat with you !)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy the view when you're done
This is all I see every time up, guess I am pretty spoiled. When the engine quits,
it is a matter of picking the "best" empty, perfectly flat?field.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
Will,
I agree with Baldeagle! It has been stated before, by veteran builders, to
stick with AN hardware as much as possible. There are exceptions, such as
the use of motorcycle links to make attachments, but the strength of the
links are well demonstrated.
How far along are you in your project?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified
Anyone with information on using hardware store cable vs. the certified
stuff. I see there is lots of difference in the price; what about the
strength and quality? Thoughts? Experience?
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need certified
cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart what ever it's
hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and test it to put your
mind at ease.
Howdy
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| Subject: | Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
One difference between aircraft cable and hardware store cable is the
lubricant that is impregnated into the aircraft cable (one reason you should
never wash your cable with a solvent - it will leach the lubricant out of
it). This lubricant is necessary to allow bending the cable over pulleys
without chafing the individual strands.
Ask Fisherman Ray how his Pietenpol is coming. He was building it
exclusively with materials from Home Depot.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified
Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need certified
cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart what ever it's
hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and test it to put your
mind at ease.
Howdy
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| Subject: | The Fisherman ! Ray Axiillou Cable-hardware store |
vs. certified
You can use hardware, cable, glue, and varnish from Home Depot & Lowe's---just
don't take any of my family for a ride.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | how high was I flying ? |
Steve Ruse-- those photos were taken from a maxiumu o 2,000'msl. I can assure
you !
Mike C.
Never one to wander into the stratosphere.
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| Subject: | how high was I flying ? |
That high up you might have been clobbered by the space shuttle tool belt as
it re-entered!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: how high was I flying ?
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Steve Ruse-- those photos were taken from a maxiumu o 2,000'msl. I can
assure you !
Mike C.
Never one to wander into the stratosphere.
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| Subject: | Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified |
I didn't build my Piet but I have done a lot of minor "adjustments" to
it and this is my "view" of non aircraft items. "I know I could save
money by buying non aircraft items from Lowe's and maybe it would be ok.
However, I think my life is worth the extra dollars and I enjoy flying
so much that I would not want to interfere with that joy by worrying
about wether I did the right thing by buying because it was cheaper."
As I tell everyone, "I worry about everything on the ground, just so I
don't worry about them while I'm in the air."
Gene in Tennessee
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From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified
One difference between aircraft cable and hardware store cable is the
lubricant that is impregnated into the aircraft cable (one reason you
should never wash your cable with a solvent - it will leach the
lubricant out of it). This lubricant is necessary to allow bending the
cable over pulleys without chafing the individual strands.
Ask Fisherman Ray how his Pietenpol is coming. He was building it
exclusively with materials from Home Depot.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified
Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need
certified cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart
what ever it's hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and
test it to put your mind at ease.
Howdy
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| Subject: | Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh |
Mike, the 360's landing was much better than mine, FAA wanted to know how many
hours I had in class, told them, (her ) 2000 plus, end of conversation, You Piet
Captains did a good job.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
If they re-stitched the wing, then the buckling fabric is a simple side-affect.
I would undo/redo those stitches...maybe a touch of heat from a heatgun while
the stitches were out would help as well.
Static port: if you move the static port to the back of the panel by removing the
static line and plugging, the low pressure in the cockpit area will give you
false readings. Try lowering the pitot/static tube to create more room from
the bottom of the wing. I put a bushing in front of my static port with a set
screw so I could slide it fore and aft from the static port until I got accurate
readings.
Warped stab can be tweaked with cable adjustments of course, but a warped elevator
is a cosmetic problem. Adding another hinge (or heck, a piano hinge full span)
might help....and you'd get your gap seal to boot.
Don't sweat the cabanes: all your wb adjustments will be with weight added/subtracted
around the plane.
If she's flying nose heavy or light but the wb is good, there are plenty of things
to adjust in the rigging and spring/bungees to add to the bellcrank or the
stick itself to help it trim out.
If I had known you were flying by, I would've invited you to stop by the Piet Factory
(or Brassroots as they're calling it) and done a once-over.
Rob
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NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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Anybody heading this way for Grassroots/Brodhead in September?
I'm 50 sm due east of Brodhead (BUU) at an airport with cheap gas and nice grass.
Anybody who wants or needs a little pre-Brodhead tweak/clean is welcome to
stop by the shop and use what I have available.
We'll be taking the Piet and a Clipper as well as our ground-support vehicle for
transporting camping supplies, ice, and a variety of 'juices'. If you want to
unload or ship anything ahead of your trip, feel free to use my place as you
like.
Rob
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NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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I would love to be there, but if I come, it will be in the RV-4. One across
the mountains in a year in the Piet is enough for me.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Icarus Plummet
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skybachs
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grassroots 2009
Anybody heading this way for Grassroots/Brodhead in September?
I'm 50 sm due east of Brodhead (BUU) at an airport with cheap gas and nice
grass. Anybody who wants or needs a little pre-Brodhead tweak/clean is
welcome to stop by the shop and use what I have available.
We'll be taking the Piet and a Clipper as well as our ground-support vehicle
for transporting camping supplies, ice, and a variety of 'juices'. If you
want to unload or ship anything ahead of your trip, feel free to use my
place as you like.
Rob
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NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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| Subject: | KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear |
I've got a line on some KZ400 wheels - they're 18" but only 1.6" rim with a
5 1/2" hub. Would need to replace the bearings but my question is are the
rims too narrow? The tires are 3" wide... This is for a front rim. The
rears have the integral brake drum built into the hub - I'm considering thi
s too for use of the brakes - I like the drum brakes being simple cable ope
rated. I think the rears are 1.85" wide.
Opinions or experience?
Also - my Hoopman plans didn't include any gear plans except the cub style
- are the Jenny style plans available seperately? I could probably go from
photos and other peoples dimensions / descriptions=2C but plans would be n
ice if they're available.
Thanks=2C
Tom Brant
Brooklyn Park=2C MN
80% fuselage=2C tail=2C ribs done=2C 40% Corvair engine - Buying spar mater
ial in another two weeks - yeah!
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| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
I was heading out to work this morning at about 8 a.m. Pacific and
passed Eric and Debbie coming back into town with the Bleriot in tow. I
think he had said that he might hangar it at Schellville, where Frank
Schelling has his original Curtis Jenny JN-4H. Eric test flew the Jenny
and has flown most of the rides in it for Frank. If you come to Northern
California be sure to get by Schellville and Sonoma Skypark.
Darrel Jones
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| Subject: | Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear |
[quote="tmbrant(at)msn.com"]
Also - my Hoopman plans didn't include any gear plans except the cub style - are
the Jenny style plans available seperately? I could probably go from photos
and other peoples dimensions / descriptions C but plans would be nice if they're
available.
Thanks C
Tom Brant
Brooklyn Park C MN
80% fuselage C tail C ribs done C 40% Corvair engine - Buying spar material in
another two weeks - yeah!
> [b]
Tom; I believe the wood/straight axel gear plans are available from the Pietenpol
family; these are also detailed in the '32 Flying and Glider manual.
Will
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| Subject: | Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear |
What's the axle size?
I've got some Yamaha 90 wheels that would be terrific, but the axle is only 1/2".
Much too wimpy for MY landings :)
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NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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| Subject: | Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear |
axle size is 17 MM (5/8") but if you press out the bearings=2C it could be
larger. Another thing to consider is the gauge of the spokes - the KZ400 s
pokes are pretty heavy.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear
> From: skybachs@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed=2C 5 Aug 2009 19:40:40 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> What's the axle size?
>
> I've got some Yamaha 90 wheels that would be terrific=2C but the axle is
only 1/2". Much too wimpy for MY landings :)
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> NX29NX=2C C65=2C Hegy prop=2C Blue/Cream flying!
> NX31TM=2C C85-12=2C GN-1=2C 90% done=2C Red/Cream
> NX30NX=2C Corvair=2C on gear=2C wings/tail done
> NX31NX=2C Hatz CB-1=2C O-320B=2C on gear=2C ribs done
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
Speaking of the Jenny.....I've this pic out there before, but why not once
more. Here's a shot of the Jenny taxiing back down 9, framed under the wing
of Kurt's Piet at Grassroots '08:
http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/P1010207.JPG
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com> wrote:
>
> I was heading out to work this morning at about 8 a.m. Pacific and passed
> Eric and Debbie coming back into town with the Bleriot in tow. I think he
> had said that he might hangar it at Schellville, where Frank Schelling has
> his original Curtis Jenny JN-4H. Eric test flew the Jenny and has flown most
> of the rides in it for Frank. If you come to Northern California be sure to
> get by Schellville and Sonoma Skypark.
>
> Darrel Jones
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: corvair mounts |
Gary,
Glad to hear the info was useful for you. Congratulations on your progress.
Last Wed/Thurs we moved our Piet. It rode suprisingly well in the back of a
UHaul, and is now living happily in the barn. Most of our Corvair parts mad
e
their way out there as well. The next trip will be moving the rolling
toolbox that now lives in a large hall closet over there, so we have some
tools to work with!
We had a great time at Brodhead, and we very much enjoyed meeting you as
well. We look forward to seeing you next time, hopefully with our Piets!
Have a good evening,
Ryan
do not archive
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
>
> I did not want to delete this from my inbox without thanking you.
> Obviously, I got a little sidetracked with Brodhead and all, but when I g
ot
> home I did some real searching. Using the key words in Mark=92s descripti
on, I
> finally found these at Summit Racing, online, and had the grommets within
2
> days! I am now ready to get the engine on its mount after I first finish
up
> the brakes this weekend.
>
>
> Hopefully all is going well for you and Jess in moving your project to th
e
> hanger/barn. I very much enjoyed meeting both of you=85
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (13 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mueller
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:48 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: corvair mounts
>
>
> I hadn't noticed the question before, so I may be a bit late with this.
> From the Corvaircraft archives, here is Mark Langford describing what he
> used to mount his engine:
>
> -----------------
> I'm using "Energy Suspension" 9.810R 3/8" I.D. Shock Tower Grommets,
> straight from the local speed shop. I think WW may use some that are a
> little larger in diameter, but these work too. I used AN6 bolts with
> MS21042 steel lock nuts from Wicks. Also, I used 3/8" ID polyurethane
> tubing from Home Depot between the engine case and bolt to take up the
> slack
> in that .56 diameter hole in the case. Washers are large diameter AN970-
6
> from Wicks.
>
> Mark flies the pants off his KR, so you can't go wrong following his lead
.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> Well I was at the hardware store and found some 1/2" O.D. Polyethylene
> tubing that seems tough. I think I may try that on my bolts where they pa
ss
> through the case holes.I will make a mental note to keep watch on them an
d
> see if I can see any wear.for sure it would be a good item to inspect at
> annuals.Raymond
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| Subject: | Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! |
What a great shot, Ryan! I just changed the background on my laptop...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!!
Speaking of the Jenny.....I've this pic out there before, but why not once
more. Here's a shot of the Jenny taxiing back down 9, framed under the wing
of Kurt's Piet at Grassroots '08:
http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/P1010207.JPG
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com> wrote:
I was heading out to work this morning at about 8 a.m. Pacific and passed
Eric and Debbie coming back into town with the Bleriot in tow. I think he
had said that he might hangar it at Schellville, where Frank Schelling has
his original Curtis Jenny JN-4H. Eric test flew the Jenny and has flown most
of the rides in it for Frank. If you come to Northern California be sure to
get by Schellville and Sonoma Skypark.
Darrel Jones
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| Subject: | Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building |
and enjoy the view when you're done
Mike, That rual landscape is VERY tempting to go low and buzz all the farm
houses you see.- I was tempted to do just that on my way home from OSH on
tues morning, but I behaved since I was flying with Don E.- We had a goo
d time flying home.- The strangest part was the bitter sweet feeling of l
eaving OSH.- I guess because saying so long to a great group of Pieters,
and knowing I won't get up to Brodhead for a few years makes it sad, but ge
tting the hell out of Plastic Airplane central, where pizza is only 20 buck
s a slice, and addmision is only 25 bucks a day....anyways I might go back
to OSH in 2019 for the 90th, untill then I will make Brodhead my Mecca.-
Fly safe and hope to see Y'all soon.- I am hoping to make MERFI , so any
piets that want to, head on in to my place and we will fly over togeather.
-
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