---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/05/09: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:18 AM - excellent YouTube videos posted by you guys ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 2. 05:35 AM - Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 3. 06:44 AM - Re: Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping , Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping (Steve Ruse) 4. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: corvair mounts (Gary Boothe) 5. 08:15 AM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (Jeff Boatright) 6. 09:34 AM - A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 09:49 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Gary Boothe) 8. 10:12 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Jack Phillips) 9. 10:20 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 10:22 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Jack Phillips) 11. 10:39 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Wayne Bressler) 12. 10:49 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 13. 11:16 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 14. 11:16 AM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Jeff Boatright) 15. 12:10 PM - if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 16. 01:00 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy (K5YAC) 17. 01:15 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy (Jerry Dotson) 18. 01:16 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done , if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (Steve Ruse) 19. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and... (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 20. 02:41 PM - Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Will42) 21. 02:55 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Baldeagle) 22. 03:14 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (Rick Holland) 23. 03:16 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (helspersew@aol.com) 24. 03:16 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Gary Boothe) 25. 03:20 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (VAHOWDY@aol.com) 26. 03:26 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Jack Phillips) 27. 03:35 PM - The Fisherman ! Ray Axiillou Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 28. 04:11 PM - how high was I flying ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 29. 04:22 PM - Re: how high was I flying ? (Gary Boothe) 30. 04:24 PM - Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified (Gene & Tammy) 31. 04:26 PM - Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Pieti Lowell) 32. 05:05 PM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (skybachs) 33. 05:10 PM - Grassroots 2009 (skybachs) 34. 06:04 PM - Re: Grassroots 2009 (Jack Phillips) 35. 06:09 PM - KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 36. 06:40 PM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Darrel Jones) 37. 07:15 PM - Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear (Will42) 38. 07:41 PM - Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear (skybachs) 39. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 40. 09:47 PM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Ryan Mueller) 41. 09:55 PM - Re: Re: corvair mounts (Ryan Mueller) 42. 10:14 PM - Re: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! (Gary Boothe) 43. 11:12 PM - Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:41 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: excellent YouTube videos posted by you guys ! THANK you all so much (Jeff Boatright, Jim Markle...and I'm sure I'm missin g someone or two) for posting all of those videos from Brodhead on YouTube. Just fantastic. Some of you captured the same action from different angles even. Super stuff. I'll be watching those in Febr uary when there is 9" of snow on the ground. This will get you started if you missed the post (s) about the videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nIywIgxevI&feature=related Mike C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:23 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping Some of you Great Waldo Pepper movie fans will like this. I was fortunate to be able to meet Steve Ruse last Friday morning at Oshkosh and see his well-traveled airplane. Sure is nice to see some younger blood getting into Pietenpols---not that there is anything wrong with the veteran s-they sure know a bunch. After I got my departure briefing from the guys in the shack by the brown a rch I pushed the airplane to the flight line and was looking for a qualified person to prop me and saw S teve again. I didn't even have to think about how to ask him, the words just came out of my mouth. "I'd be obliged if you'd prop me Steve" (substituting Steve for son). Thanks Steve ! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:05 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping , Pietenpol-List: Steve Ruse from Oklahoma & hand propping No problem Mike! It was really great to meet you too. I've always admired your airplane, as everyone does. Meeting a few of you guys sure makes me want to go to Broadhead. I'm itching to do it now. Maybe next year Jim Markle and I can fly up together. Sounds like several days of sheer fun. Steve Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" : > Some of you Great Waldo Pepper movie fans will like this. I was > fortunate to be able to meet Steve Ruse > last Friday morning at Oshkosh and see his well-traveled airplane. > Sure is nice to see some younger blood > getting into Pietenpols---not that there is anything wrong with the > veterans-they sure know a bunch. > > After I got my departure briefing from the guys in the shack by the > brown arch I pushed the airplane to > the flight line and was looking for a qualified person to prop me > and saw Steve again. I didn't even have > to think about how to ask him, the words just came out of my mouth. > "I'd be obliged if you'd prop me Steve" > (substituting Steve for son). Thanks Steve ! > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:05 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: corvair mounts Hi Ryan, I did not want to delete this from my inbox without thanking you. Obviously, I got a little sidetracked with Brodhead and all, but when I got home I did some real searching. Using the key words in Mark's description, I finally found these at Summit Racing, online, and had the grommets within 2 days! I am now ready to get the engine on its mount after I first finish up the brakes this weekend. Hopefully all is going well for you and Jess in moving your project to the hanger/barn. I very much enjoyed meeting both of you. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: corvair mounts I hadn't noticed the question before, so I may be a bit late with this. From the Corvaircraft archives, here is Mark Langford describing what he used to mount his engine: ----------------- I'm using "Energy Suspension" 9.810R 3/8" I.D. Shock Tower Grommets, straight from the local speed shop. I think WW may use some that are a little larger in diameter, but these work too. I used AN6 bolts with MS21042 steel lock nuts from Wicks. Also, I used 3/8" ID polyurethane tubing from Home Depot between the engine case and bolt to take up the slack in that .56 diameter hole in the case. Washers are large diameter AN970-6 from Wicks. Mark flies the pants off his KR, so you can't go wrong following his lead. Ryan On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: Well I was at the hardware store and found some 1/2" O.D. Polyethylene tubing that seems tough. I think I may try that on my bolts where they pass through the case holes.I will make a mental note to keep watch on them and see if I can see any wear.for sure it would be a good item to inspect at annuals.Raymond ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:53 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ok, lemme have it! Dan, Your lift strut welds look similar to mine and those of other Piets that I've seen. See if Westcoast Piet doesn't have some photos of this fitment on various planes. It's true that your cabane weldments won't allow moving the wing fore or aft, but do you really want to? It sounds like Tres has flown it with a variety of loadings and conducted various maneuvers that encompass what you'd be doing. Did he do a weight and balance and find problems? I suggest doing a W&B now and at every condition inspection anyway, but do you know if your Piet currently has a problem? Along these lines, do you know if Tres put the plane through a complete stall series with various power settings, loadings, and wing angles (for instance, up to 20 degrees of turn)? Any spins? Knowing that the plane is safe for these maneuvers will add confidence to your flying (though spins may be more than anyone is willing to try if they are not sure about any of these other maneuvers). I have never seen puckering on wing fabric like that. I would be very cautious about conducting any of these maneuvers (stalls, spins, etc.) unless you know that they have been completed before with that puckering and that nothing dramatic occurs. Seems to me, as suggested by Bill, that the puckering creates a whole new airfoil. Also, as Bill suggested, it is certainly possible to shrink the fabric if the problem was that it wasn't shrunk correctly at installation. Sherwin Wms comes right off if you apply strong masking tape - it's a feature, not a bug... HTH, Jeff > >>>... The lift strut wing >>> fittings are welded, too - no pivoting is allowed. >> >>The cabanes welds are a potential positive safety feature - see >>archives. The lift struts being welded seems strange. Please send >>pix. > >Here are picts: > >http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2514 >http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2509 > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:58 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh I know this isn't Piet related but I didn't realize the Airbus hit the runw ay carrier-style then PIO'ed a bit after touchdown. The pilot probably wasn't used to seeing such a short runway. (6,700') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:46 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh What a great job!! Critiquing landings at Oshkosh!!................ Where do I sign up? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh I know this isn't Piet related but I didn't realize the Airbus hit the runway carrier-style then PIO'ed a bit after touchdown. The pilot probably wasn't used to seeing such a short runway. (6,700') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:33 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh Ugly!!! And I thought MY landing there looked bad. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh I know this isn't Piet related but I didn't realize the Airbus hit the runway carrier-style then PIO'ed a bit after touchdown. The pilot probably wasn't used to seeing such a short runway. (6,700') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:08 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh I knew she wasn't worth top billing. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:56 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh Whaddya mean? She was the "it girl" of the skies! For Heaven's sake do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh I knew she wasn't worth top billing. _____ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:19 AM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh Ugh!!! That hurt! Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:30 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: > I know this isn=99t Piet related but I didn=99t realize the Airbus > hit the runway carrier-style then PIO=99ed a bit after > touchdown. The pilot probably wasn=99t used to seeing such a short > runway. (6,700=99) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iIG1ZOPLJA > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:36 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh And she wants her name higher and bigger than anyone else's. again, do not archive Whaddya mean? She was the "it girl" of the skies! For Heaven's sake do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:29 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh I'll make you unprecedented do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:29 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh Sure, I started doing that at Brodhead and then realized by the 3rd landing that EVERYONE else's landings are better than mine! :-( >:-} >What a great job!! Critiquing landings at Oshkosh!!................ >Where do I sign up? > >Gary Boothe ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:08 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on Saturday mo rning heading from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle seat on a 737. (and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in the se at with you !) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy From: "K5YAC" Maybe I missed it, but you must have recovered your photos. That is a neat shot... looks like a good place to practice emergency procedures. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256214#256214 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy From: "Jerry Dotson" WOW What a view. Reminds me of late sixties early seventies flying a 450 Stearman spraying potato bugs just East of Palatka, Fl. Building rib #23 Jerry Dotson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256218#256218 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:17 PM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done , Pietenpol-List: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done That is a great view! I saw a lot of pretty country in Northern Iowa on my way up...I never knew that area was so hilly. I think that roughly 97% of the state must be covered in corn. I'll try to post some pictures soon. My only question about your picture is how did you end up so high? There must've been some terrible updrafts that day! Steve Ruse Norman, OK Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" : > Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on > Saturday morning heading > from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle > seat on a 737. > > (and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in > the seat with you !) > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:17 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and... put the frosty mug down and step away from the meister Do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified From: "Will42" Anyone with information on using hardware store cable vs. the certified stuff. I see there is lots of difference in the price; what about the strength and quality? Thoughts? Experience? Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256227#256227 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable-hardware store vs. certified From: "Baldeagle" I wouldn't do it, that cheap stuff is crud. Saving a few bucks that way isn't worth it. - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256228#256228 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done From: Rick Holland Thank you Mike, I just set that one as my desktop image on my work laptop. It will keep my motivation up to get mine in the air ASAP so I can take my own similar pictures. Great seeing you and the gang at Brodhead. Rick On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Gorgeous, lush farm country somewhere in northern Illinois on Saturday > morning heading > from Joliet, IL. You don't see this kind of view from the aisle seat on a > 737. > > (and you don't get Sprite or Diet Coke either--unless you take it in the > seat with you !) > > Mike C. > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done From: helspersew@aol.com This is all I see every time up, guess I am pretty spoiled. When the engine quits, it is a matter of picking the "best" empty, perfectly flat?field. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified Will, I agree with Baldeagle! It has been stated before, by veteran builders, to stick with AN hardware as much as possible. There are exceptions, such as the use of motorcycle links to make attachments, but the strength of the links are well demonstrated. How far along are you in your project? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42 Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified Anyone with information on using hardware store cable vs. the certified stuff. I see there is lots of difference in the price; what about the strength and quality? Thoughts? Experience? Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256227#256227 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:36 PM PST US From: VAHOWDY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need certified cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart what ever it's hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and test it to put your mind at ease. Howdy ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:36 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified One difference between aircraft cable and hardware store cable is the lubricant that is impregnated into the aircraft cable (one reason you should never wash your cable with a solvent - it will leach the lubricant out of it). This lubricant is necessary to allow bending the cable over pulleys without chafing the individual strands. Ask Fisherman Ray how his Pietenpol is coming. He was building it exclusively with materials from Home Depot. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VAHOWDY@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need certified cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart what ever it's hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and test it to put your mind at ease. Howdy _____ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:23 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Fisherman ! Ray Axiillou Cable-hardware store vs. certified You can use hardware, cable, glue, and varnish from Home Depot & Lowe's---just don't take any of my family for a ride. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:13 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: how high was I flying ? Steve Ruse-- those photos were taken from a maxiumu o 2,000'msl. I can assure you ! Mike C. Never one to wander into the stratosphere. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:27 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: how high was I flying ? That high up you might have been clobbered by the space shuttle tool belt as it re-entered! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: how high was I flying ? Aerospace Corporation]" Steve Ruse-- those photos were taken from a maxiumu o 2,000'msl. I can assure you ! Mike C. Never one to wander into the stratosphere. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:01 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified I didn't build my Piet but I have done a lot of minor "adjustments" to it and this is my "view" of non aircraft items. "I know I could save money by buying non aircraft items from Lowe's and maybe it would be ok. However, I think my life is worth the extra dollars and I enjoy flying so much that I would not want to interfere with that joy by worrying about wether I did the right thing by buying because it was cheaper." As I tell everyone, "I worry about everything on the ground, just so I don't worry about them while I'm in the air." Gene in Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified One difference between aircraft cable and hardware store cable is the lubricant that is impregnated into the aircraft cable (one reason you should never wash your cable with a solvent - it will leach the lubricant out of it). This lubricant is necessary to allow bending the cable over pulleys without chafing the individual strands. Ask Fisherman Ray how his Pietenpol is coming. He was building it exclusively with materials from Home Depot. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VAHOWDY@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:20 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable-hardware store vs. certified Are you building a certified aircraft? Then you don't need certified cable. Is it strong enough ? I dare say you would pull apart what ever it's hook to before the cable would break. Buy a piece and test it to put your mind at ease. Howdy ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/05/09 05:57:00 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh From: "Pieti Lowell" Mike, the 360's landing was much better than mine, FAA wanted to know how many hours I had in class, told them, (her ) 2000 plus, end of conversation, You Piet Captains did a good job. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256247#256247 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ok, lemme have it! From: "skybachs" If they re-stitched the wing, then the buckling fabric is a simple side-affect. I would undo/redo those stitches...maybe a touch of heat from a heatgun while the stitches were out would help as well. Static port: if you move the static port to the back of the panel by removing the static line and plugging, the low pressure in the cockpit area will give you false readings. Try lowering the pitot/static tube to create more room from the bottom of the wing. I put a bushing in front of my static port with a set screw so I could slide it fore and aft from the static port until I got accurate readings. Warped stab can be tweaked with cable adjustments of course, but a warped elevator is a cosmetic problem. Adding another hinge (or heck, a piano hinge full span) might help....and you'd get your gap seal to boot. Don't sweat the cabanes: all your wb adjustments will be with weight added/subtracted around the plane. If she's flying nose heavy or light but the wb is good, there are plenty of things to adjust in the rigging and spring/bungees to add to the bellcrank or the stick itself to help it trim out. If I had known you were flying by, I would've invited you to stop by the Piet Factory (or Brassroots as they're calling it) and done a once-over. Rob -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256258#256258 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grassroots 2009 From: "skybachs" Anybody heading this way for Grassroots/Brodhead in September? I'm 50 sm due east of Brodhead (BUU) at an airport with cheap gas and nice grass. Anybody who wants or needs a little pre-Brodhead tweak/clean is welcome to stop by the shop and use what I have available. We'll be taking the Piet and a Clipper as well as our ground-support vehicle for transporting camping supplies, ice, and a variety of 'juices'. If you want to unload or ship anything ahead of your trip, feel free to use my place as you like. Rob -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256260#256260 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:19 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Grassroots 2009 I would love to be there, but if I come, it will be in the RV-4. One across the mountains in a year in the Piet is enough for me. Jack Phillips NX899JP Icarus Plummet Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skybachs Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grassroots 2009 Anybody heading this way for Grassroots/Brodhead in September? I'm 50 sm due east of Brodhead (BUU) at an airport with cheap gas and nice grass. Anybody who wants or needs a little pre-Brodhead tweak/clean is welcome to stop by the shop and use what I have available. We'll be taking the Piet and a Clipper as well as our ground-support vehicle for transporting camping supplies, ice, and a variety of 'juices'. If you want to unload or ship anything ahead of your trip, feel free to use my place as you like. Rob -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256260#256260 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:28 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear I've got a line on some KZ400 wheels - they're 18" but only 1.6" rim with a 5 1/2" hub. Would need to replace the bearings but my question is are the rims too narrow? The tires are 3" wide... This is for a front rim. The rears have the integral brake drum built into the hub - I'm considering thi s too for use of the brakes - I like the drum brakes being simple cable ope rated. I think the rears are 1.85" wide. Opinions or experience? Also - my Hoopman plans didn't include any gear plans except the cub style - are the Jenny style plans available seperately? I could probably go from photos and other peoples dimensions / descriptions=2C but plans would be n ice if they're available. Thanks=2C Tom Brant Brooklyn Park=2C MN 80% fuselage=2C tail=2C ribs done=2C 40% Corvair engine - Buying spar mater ial in another two weeks - yeah! ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:48 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! I was heading out to work this morning at about 8 a.m. Pacific and passed Eric and Debbie coming back into town with the Bleriot in tow. I think he had said that he might hangar it at Schellville, where Frank Schelling has his original Curtis Jenny JN-4H. Eric test flew the Jenny and has flown most of the rides in it for Frank. If you come to Northern California be sure to get by Schellville and Sonoma Skypark. Darrel Jones ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear From: "Will42" [quote="tmbrant(at)msn.com"] Also - my Hoopman plans didn't include any gear plans except the cub style - are the Jenny style plans available seperately? I could probably go from photos and other peoples dimensions / descriptions C but plans would be nice if they're available. Thanks C Tom Brant Brooklyn Park C MN 80% fuselage C tail C ribs done C 40% Corvair engine - Buying spar material in another two weeks - yeah! > [b] Tom; I believe the wood/straight axel gear plans are available from the Pietenpol family; these are also detailed in the '32 Flying and Glider manual. Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256281#256281 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear From: "skybachs" What's the axle size? I've got some Yamaha 90 wheels that would be terrific, but the axle is only 1/2". Much too wimpy for MY landings :) -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256286#256286 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:52 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear axle size is 17 MM (5/8") but if you press out the bearings=2C it could be larger. Another thing to consider is the gauge of the spokes - the KZ400 s pokes are pretty heavy. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: KZ400 wheels and plans for Jenny style gear > From: skybachs@yahoo.com > Date: Wed=2C 5 Aug 2009 19:40:40 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > What's the axle size? > > I've got some Yamaha 90 wheels that would be terrific=2C but the axle is only 1/2". Much too wimpy for MY landings :) > > -------- > NX29NX=2C C65=2C Hegy prop=2C Blue/Cream flying! > NX31TM=2C C85-12=2C GN-1=2C 90% done=2C Red/Cream > NX30NX=2C Corvair=2C on gear=2C wings/tail done > NX31NX=2C Hatz CB-1=2C O-320B=2C on gear=2C ribs done > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256286#256286 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! From: Ryan Mueller Speaking of the Jenny.....I've this pic out there before, but why not once more. Here's a shot of the Jenny taxiing back down 9, framed under the wing of Kurt's Piet at Grassroots '08: http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/P1010207.JPG Ryan On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Darrel Jones wrote: > > I was heading out to work this morning at about 8 a.m. Pacific and passed > Eric and Debbie coming back into town with the Bleriot in tow. I think he > had said that he might hangar it at Schellville, where Frank Schelling has > his original Curtis Jenny JN-4H. Eric test flew the Jenny and has flown most > of the rides in it for Frank. If you come to Northern California be sure to > get by Schellville and Sonoma Skypark. > > Darrel Jones > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: corvair mounts From: Ryan Mueller Gary, Glad to hear the info was useful for you. Congratulations on your progress. Last Wed/Thurs we moved our Piet. It rode suprisingly well in the back of a UHaul, and is now living happily in the barn. Most of our Corvair parts mad e their way out there as well. The next trip will be moving the rolling toolbox that now lives in a large hall closet over there, so we have some tools to work with! We had a great time at Brodhead, and we very much enjoyed meeting you as well. We look forward to seeing you next time, hopefully with our Piets! Have a good evening, Ryan do not archive On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Hi Ryan, > > > I did not want to delete this from my inbox without thanking you. > Obviously, I got a little sidetracked with Brodhead and all, but when I g ot > home I did some real searching. Using the key words in Mark=92s descripti on, I > finally found these at Summit Racing, online, and had the grommets within 2 > days! I am now ready to get the engine on its mount after I first finish up > the brakes this weekend. > > > Hopefully all is going well for you and Jess in moving your project to th e > hanger/barn. I very much enjoyed meeting both of you=85 > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (13 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mueller > *Sent:* Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:48 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: corvair mounts > > > I hadn't noticed the question before, so I may be a bit late with this. > From the Corvaircraft archives, here is Mark Langford describing what he > used to mount his engine: > > ----------------- > I'm using "Energy Suspension" 9.810R 3/8" I.D. Shock Tower Grommets, > straight from the local speed shop. I think WW may use some that are a > little larger in diameter, but these work too. I used AN6 bolts with > MS21042 steel lock nuts from Wicks. Also, I used 3/8" ID polyurethane > tubing from Home Depot between the engine case and bolt to take up the > slack > in that .56 diameter hole in the case. Washers are large diameter AN970- 6 > from Wicks. > > Mark flies the pants off his KR, so you can't go wrong following his lead .. > > Ryan > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:45 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > > > Well I was at the hardware store and found some 1/2" O.D. Polyethylene > tubing that seems tough. I think I may try that on my bolts where they pa ss > through the case holes.I will make a mental note to keep watch on them an d > see if I can see any wear.for sure it would be a good item to inspect at > annuals.Raymond > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =========== =========== com/contribution =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:27 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! What a great shot, Ryan! I just changed the background on my laptop... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bleriot at Brodhead!!!! Speaking of the Jenny.....I've this pic out there before, but why not once more. Here's a shot of the Jenny taxiing back down 9, framed under the wing of Kurt's Piet at Grassroots '08: http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/P1010207.JPG Ryan On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Darrel Jones wrote: I was heading out to work this morning at about 8 a.m. Pacific and passed Eric and Debbie coming back into town with the Bleriot in tow. I think he had said that he might hangar it at Schellville, where Frank Schelling has his original Curtis Jenny JN-4H. Eric test flew the Jenny and has flown most of the rides in it for Frank. If you come to Northern California be sure to get by Schellville and Sonoma Skypark. Darrel Jones ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:45 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: if for any other reason than this-- keep building and enjoy the view when you're done Mike, That rual landscape is VERY tempting to go low and buzz all the farm houses you see.- I was tempted to do just that on my way home from OSH on tues morning, but I behaved since I was flying with Don E.- We had a goo d time flying home.- The strangest part was the bitter sweet feeling of l eaving OSH.- I guess because saying so long to a great group of Pieters, and knowing I won't get up to Brodhead for a few years makes it sad, but ge tting the hell out of Plastic Airplane central, where pizza is only 20 buck s a slice, and addmision is only 25 bucks a day....anyways I might go back to OSH in 2019 for the 90th, untill then I will make Brodhead my Mecca.- Fly safe and hope to see Y'all soon.- I am hoping to make MERFI , so any piets that want to, head on in to my place and we will fly over togeather. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.