---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/06/09: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:44 AM - N444MH- Howard Henderson's Piet (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 09:14 AM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (Dan Yocum) 3. 09:29 AM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (Dan Yocum) 4. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: ok, lemme have it! (Dan Yocum) 5. 09:46 AM - flying low over farm fields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 6. 10:47 AM - Re: flying low over farm fields (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 7. 10:47 AM - Lee Bottom/ Hanover, Indiana / Grassroots 2009 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 8. 11:15 AM - Re: flying low over farm fields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 9. 11:28 AM - Re: flying low over farm fields (John Hofmann) 10. 12:10 PM - Re: flying low over farm fields (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 11. 12:12 PM - Re: flying low over farm fields (Tim Willis) 12. 12:12 PM - Watch Bleriot XI Replica (Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov) 13. 12:40 PM - Re: flying low over farm fields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 14. 12:42 PM - Watch Elvis in Action (Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov) 15. 01:08 PM - Re: flying low over farm fields (Baldeagle) 16. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 17. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (John Hofmann) 18. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 19. 01:35 PM - great EAA photo of Ken Perkins (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 20. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Gary Boothe) 21. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Jack Phillips) 22. 01:48 PM - Andrew, Just Remember (John Hofmann) 23. 01:48 PM - Re: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins (Jack Phillips) 24. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 25. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 26. 01:51 PM - Re: Andrew, Just Remember (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 27. 02:09 PM - Watch Elvis in Action (Oscar Zuniga) 28. 02:38 PM - WP (helspersew@aol.com) 29. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Jim Markle) 30. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Gary Boothe) 31. 03:10 PM - Re: flying low over farm fields (Don Emch) 32. 03:55 PM - Re: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins (Wayne Bressler) 33. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Wayne Bressler) 34. 04:11 PM - Re: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins (gcardinal) 35. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (John Hofmann) 36. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh (Skip Gadd) 37. 08:10 PM - Re: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins (Ryan Mueller) 38. 09:43 PM - Re: ok, lemme have it! (skybachs) 39. 09:50 PM - Re: flying low over farm fields (skybachs) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:01 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: N444MH- Howard Henderson's Piet Howdy, low 'n' slow fliers- I had forgotten that we have a very historic, authentic, and nice Air Camper right down here in south Texas... it's 444MH, the beautiful Ford-powered Piet that Howard Henderson built in the 80s and that was in Sport Aviation in 1989. The entire story and pix are still on Grant McLaren's pages, at http://www.grantmaclaren.com/444mh/index.html including a shot of the instrument panel, which is about as simple as they get. The airplane is now owned by Ron Hollmer, who lives down in the Ingleside/Aransas Pass area (near Corpus Christi, TX) and he and his wife Pat were kind enough to send me some recent pix of the airplane. I'll forward those to Chris Tracy for adding to his westcoastpiet treasure-trove. Straight axle gear, wooden gear legs, about as true to the original BHP plans as they get. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:09 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ok, lemme have it! Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Dan, > > Your lift strut welds look similar to mine and those of other Piets that > I've seen. See if Westcoast Piet doesn't have some photos of this > fitment on various planes. > > It's true that your cabane weldments won't allow moving the wing fore or > aft, but do you really want to? It sounds like Tres has flown it with a > variety of loadings and conducted various maneuvers that encompass what > you'd be doing. Did he do a weight and balance and find problems? I > suggest doing a W&B now and at every condition inspection anyway, but do > you know if your Piet currently has a problem? Tres did do a W&B but didn't find anything that needed to be addressed immediately otherwise I'm sure he would have done it. The only reason I'm thinking about addressing the issue is because it does take some forward pressure on the stick to keep it level - the plane does NOT fly hands off when power is applied. With power off it flies nice and level. Again, gap seals on the horizontal should help. > > Along these lines, do you know if Tres put the plane through a complete > stall series with various power settings, loadings, and wing angles (for > instance, up to 20 degrees of turn)? Any spins? Knowing that the plane > is safe for these maneuvers will add confidence to your flying (though > spins may be more than anyone is willing to try if they are not sure > about any of these other maneuvers). Looking at the phase I flight logs, the original builder took the plane to 120mph on 2 occasions and 140mph on another! The first flight I had in it, we did a couple of power off stalls - it mushed right out and mostly straight ahead. It might have dropped a little on the right side, but that could have been due to turbulence (lots of thermals marked by Cu's in the sky). > > I have never seen puckering on wing fabric like that. I would be very > cautious about conducting any of these maneuvers (stalls, spins, etc.) > unless you know that they have been completed before with that puckering > and that nothing dramatic occurs. Seems to me, as suggested by Bill, > that the puckering creates a whole new airfoil. Also, as Bill suggested, > it is certainly possible to shrink the fabric if the problem was that it > wasn't shrunk correctly at installation. Sherwin Wms comes right off if > you apply strong masking tape - it's a feature, not a bug... The puckering is behind the rear spar so the puckers might even help keep the air attached to the wing! ;-) Thanks for the feedback, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:49 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ok, lemme have it! Bill Budgell wrote: > Unless you have broken or rotted wood in your wings. then that is just a > bad covering job. the fabric has not been shrunk enough to the proper > tempature. reshrink it or take it offf and recover the wing. Nope, no ribs are broken, luckily. And now that you say it, it makes perfect sense that the correct amount of heat wasn't applied. Can that be fixed this many years and 2 coats of top coat/paint later? Maybe I'll just ignore it for the time being - it's flown 9,000+ miles in the last 18 months, and 3,200 of those in the past 2 weeks! Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:36 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ok, lemme have it! Hi Rob, skybachs wrote: > > If they re-stitched the wing, then the buckling fabric is a simple side-affect. I would undo/redo those stitches...maybe a touch of heat from a heatgun while the stitches were out would help as well. > > Static port: if you move the static port to the back of the panel by removing the static line and plugging, the low pressure in the cockpit area will give you false readings. Try lowering the pitot/static tube to create more room from the bottom of the wing. I put a bushing in front of my static port with a set screw so I could slide it fore and aft from the static port until I got accurate readings. > It's even worse than that - the static port line was cut *inside* the wing so it should just be moved somewhere on the fuselage. Tres did a full Vx, Vy, max L/D, min sink analysis on the plane for a school paper and it shows that the airspeed indicated on the ASI is off, but the difference is linear over the flight envelope. For the time being I'll use his numbers to get the feel for the plane, and put a new static port on the side sometime in the future. > Warped stab can be tweaked with cable adjustments of course, but a warped elevator is a cosmetic problem. Adding another hinge (or heck, a piano hinge full span) might help....and you'd get your gap seal to boot. > Where the horizontal stab/elevator hinge, it's straight. The TE of the elevator is warped end-to-end. Kind of strange... > Don't sweat the cabanes: all your wb adjustments will be with weight added/subtracted around the plane. > > If she's flying nose heavy or light but the wb is good, there are plenty of things to adjust in the rigging and spring/bungees to add to the bellcrank or the stick itself to help it trim out. > > If I had known you were flying by, I would've invited you to stop by the Piet Factory (or Brassroots as they're calling it) and done a once-over. > BUU isn't very far from LL53. When I can drop by? ;-) > Rob > > -------- > NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! 90mph on a A-65 on a Piet? Was there a tailwind on the day you flew home from OSH? > NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream > NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done > NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Clearly you have too much time your hands. Here, let me lend you a couple of twin 2 year olds... Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:16 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying low over farm fields Great fun that is Shad. I learned my lesson though to scope out for wires , but good, about 10 years ago when I came around a stand of trees over fla t farmland and came upon high tension wires-fortunately the wires were abou t 2,000 feet ahead of me so I had plenty of time to divert. I was down lo w chasing a friend in his Cub ala the Kessler/Pepper scenes in The Great Wa ldo Pepper. (but not with near the theatrics or engine noises) Great fun but you really have to know the field (s) well. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:16 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying low over farm fields Tell us how you fought the black and yellow German...... Ernst Kessler....... you fought Ernst Kessler? do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:16 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom/ Hanover, Indiana / Grassroots 2009 Hmmm..if you RV-4 up there Jack I'd drive up unless it conflicts with the same weekend as Ginger and Rich Davidson's Lee Bottom Flying Field gathering--which was amazing last year. Loved it. More: http://www.leebottom.com/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:25 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying low over farm fields Yes...I'm the third greatest pilot in the world behind Kessler and Waldo Pe pper:) Yeah, right !!! I actually lost a good dogfight to a 73 year old guy by the name of Bob Whi te flying his Cub on my tail. I seriously could not shake Bob so I smoked him-and looked back, he' s weaving and going all over the place because he couldn't see squat in the smoke-he was that c lose to me. Great fun but I was humbled-he was a good stick ! Tell us how you fought the black and yellow German...... Ernst Kessler..... .. you fought Ernst Kessler? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:22 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying low over farm fields The pond Mikee! The pond's the safest place! Do not archive. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Yes=85I=92m the third greatest pilot in the world behind Kessler and > Waldo PepperJ Yeah, right !!! > I actually lost a good dogfight to a 73 year old guy by the name of > Bob White flying his Cub on my > tail. I seriously could not shake Bob so I smoked him=97and looked > back, he=92s weaving and going > all over the place because he couldn=92t see squat in the smoke=97he was > that close to me. Great fun > but I was humbled=97he was a good stick ! > > Tell us how you fought the black and yellow German...... Ernst > Kessler....... you fought Ernst Kessler? > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:34 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying low over farm fields it always makes Mikee feel good when there's a little something waiting for him when he gets down, folks in Wichata gave 10.. 20 dollars to see a crash like this Do not archive John ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:32 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying low over farm fields A split S usually works if you and your plane can stand it... ;) When I see you all at Brodhead next, remind me to tell you of the local EAA guy here who did a split-S in his Long EZ. He wasn't dogfighting, but it was his idea of competitive aerobatics. Some story. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: John Hofmann Sent: Aug 6, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying low over farm fields The pond Mikee! The pond's the safest place! Do not archive. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: YesIm the third greatest pilot in the world behind Kessler and Waldo PepperJ Yeah, right !!! I actually lost a good dogfight to a 73 year old guy by the name of Bob White flying his Cub on my tail. I seriously could not shake Bob so I smoked himand looked back, hes weaving and going all over the place because he couldnt see squat in the smokehe was that close to me. Great fun but I was humbledhe was a good stick ! Tell us how you fought the black and yellow German...... Ernst Kessler....... you fought Ernst Kessler? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:33 PM PST US From: Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov Subject: Pietenpol-List: Watch Bleriot XI Replica --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:19 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying low over farm fields folks in Wichata gave 10.. 20 dollars to see a crash like this Oh-you saw some of my landings did you ? :) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:08 PM PST US From: Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov Subject: Pietenpol-List: Watch Elvis in Action --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields From: "Baldeagle" It's reassuring that people here quote Waldo Pepper.... - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256393#256393 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:49 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields They're good People Andrew ! >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- >list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Baldeagle >Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:08 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields > > > >It's reassuring that people here quote Waldo Pepper.... > > >- > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256393#256393 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:50 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields "Smile Son, Never Disconcert the Masses." do not archive. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 6, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Baldeagle wrote: > > > > It's reassuring that people here quote Waldo Pepper.... > > > - > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256393#256393 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:12 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields just crowd ring it, crowd right in Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:08 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins WOW-I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo galleries. P erhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video they show FACTOR Y builts landing-Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas. Pathetic. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:09 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields My wife's gone this weekend! I get to watch WP again....uh, in between working on the brakes and axle.... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Baldeagle Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields It's reassuring that people here quote Waldo Pepper.... - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256393#256393 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:34 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields I'm taking my copy of Waldo Pepper to our EAA Chapter's Aviation Movie Night tomorrow. "You're not a bad sort, Waldo, but you're dangerous." -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields My wife's gone this weekend! I get to watch WP again....uh, in between working on the brakes and axle.... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Baldeagle Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields It's reassuring that people here quote Waldo Pepper.... - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256393#256393 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:56 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Pietenpol-List: Andrew, Just Remember Some people would say that what you are about to see, is probably the greatest exhibition of aeronautical skill in the history of world. I myself, wouldnt go that far. It is probably only the greatest since the invention of the aeroplane. Do Not Archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:56 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins There was also a nice shot that I found in the gallery: Jack Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins WOW-I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo galleries. Perhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video they show FACTORY builts landing-Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas. Pathetic. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:19 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields Whatcha doin' in California Newt ? New guy.....Brown. Well I'll get him when he gets down. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:05 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields "I still am cute" No archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:14 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Andrew, Just Remember its gonna be a monoplane Do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:48 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Watch Elvis in Action Mikee- We lived nearly 10 years in Medford, Oregon- which is next door to Central Point, home of Erickson Aircrane and the Sikorski conversions in the video. They fly all over the world doing firefighting, selective logging, rescue, heavy lifting and placement, and other specialized tasks. Very interesting but remote connection to experimental aviation is that while I was still living in Oregon, Jack Erickson also located and restored a P-38 Lightning to complete and authentic flying condition and I got to see one of the test flights. I believe the airplane is in the Tillamook Air Museum, http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p38registry/p38-4427083.html Tillamook is about 60 miles from McMinnville, where the one and only Hughes HK-1 "Spruce Goose" is now located. Since the Spruce Goose has wooden structural components, I have now connected this topic with the Pietenpol Air Camper and made the post relevant ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: WP From: helspersew@aol.com "The last time I went flying with you all I saw was the inside of a paper sac" ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:15 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields Enough of this silly BS...I'm gonna turn off the computer and go work on my Pietenpol!!! TGJP (The Great Jimmy Pepper) do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" >Sent: Aug 6, 2009 4:48 PM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields > > >Whatcha doin' in California Newt ? > >New guy.....Brown. > >Well I'll get him when he gets down. > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields NO! NO! YOU MUST MEMORIZE LINES FROM WALDO PEPPER! I'm convinced that there is some sort of rite of passage whereby we are forced to recite 3 lines from the movie. For my miserable memory, it will take me as long to memorize those lines as it will to finish the Piet... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields Enough of this silly BS...I'm gonna turn off the computer and go work on my Pietenpol!!! TGJP (The Great Jimmy Pepper) do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" >Sent: Aug 6, 2009 4:48 PM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields > Aerospace Corporation]" > >Whatcha doin' in California Newt ? > >New guy.....Brown. > >Well I'll get him when he gets down. > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields From: "Don Emch" Good Grief! You guys are nuts! My wife will have to thank all of you because she's gonna have to sit and watch TGWP tonight so I can attempt to communicate with you guys! Don Emch NX899DE do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256422#256422 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:24 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins Is there an organization for those of us who still enjoy the more traditional aspects of aviation? What the EAA was all about in the fifties, sixties, and seventies? I thought I had heard that Paul Poberezny had started a grassroots organization a few yeas back, but I can't recall the details. Does anyone know of such a group? Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:30 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: > WOW=94I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo galler > ies. Perhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video th > ey show FACTORY builts landing=94Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas. Patheti > c. > > Mike C. > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:06 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields My wife already knows I'm nuts. I knew she was a keeper when she bought me a DVD copy of TGWP when we were dating. I don't believe she's stayed awake through the whole movie yet, though! Do not archive Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. On Aug 6, 2009, at 6:10 PM, "Don Emch" wrote: > > Good Grief! You guys are nuts! > > My wife will have to thank all of you because she's gonna have to > sit and watch TGWP tonight so I can attempt to communicate with you > guys! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256422#256422 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:32 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins Paul had started the Sport Aviation Association but it is now defunct. If you are looking for something similar to the good old days look no further than the BPA........ Greg Cardinal SAA #1468 ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Bressler To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins Is there an organization for those of us who still enjoy the more traditional aspects of aviation? What the EAA was all about in the fifties, sixties, and seventies? I thought I had heard that Paul Poberezny had started a grassroots organization a few yeas back, but I can't recall the details. Does anyone know of such a group? Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:30 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: WOW=94I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo galleries. Perhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video they show FACTORY builts landing=94Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas. Pathetic. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:47 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields You know what I'd do? Throw sand in her eyes, it'll blind her. Do Not Archive. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 6, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > Good Grief! You guys are nuts! > > My wife will have to thank all of you because she's gonna have to > sit and watch TGWP tonight so I can attempt to communicate with you > guys! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256422#256422 > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:27 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-380 landing video at Oshkosh Lowell, As I recall the ATIS for 36L "340 at 19 gusting to 24". What happened to you could have happened to any one of us. Skip > Mike, the 360's landing was much better than mine, FAA wanted to know how many hours I had in class, told them, (her ) 2000 plus, end of conversation, You Piet Captains did a good job. > Pieti Lowell ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: great EAA photo of Ken Perkins From: Ryan Mueller Speaking of Ken, I missed an absolutely perfect shot of him polishing the Ford emblem on his engine by seconds. This was the best I could do: http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/IMG_0392.JPG Ryan P.S.: Thanks for the pic Mike. A nice shot... On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > WOW=97I finally found ONE photo of a Pietenpol in the EAA photo gallerie s. > Perhaps there are more but even in the Sunday arrival video they show > FACTORY builts landing=97Bonanzas, Mooneys, Cessnas. Pathetic. > > Mike C. > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ok, lemme have it! From: "skybachs" Come on up any time. Bring your elevators if you want to learn how to recover and we'll see if we can get them straight. Putting the static port in the propwash never works real well with the Piets. I'd be happy to help you re-route the static line to it's proper spot. There's always room in the shop for another Piet! Drop me an e-mail if you'd like to come up, by Piet or car, it's not that far. [Wink] Rob -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256457#256457 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields From: "skybachs" Favorite line at the Miracle Aircraft Company shop-full-o-Piets: "A monoplane. Are you telling me you're building me an airplane with only one wing?" "Just thought you'd like to know: the biplane's gone the way of the Dodo. " -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! 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