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1. 12:19 AM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Ryan Mueller)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
3. 05:47 AM - wing question (carson)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: wing question (Peter W Johnson)
5. 06:17 AM - landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
6. 06:31 AM - Re: wing question (Jack Phillips)
7. 06:31 AM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Gary Boothe)
8. 06:54 AM - 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX294RB (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
9. 07:15 AM - Re: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX294RB (Jack Phillips)
10. 07:49 AM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
11. 10:11 AM - Re: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX... (RBush96589@aol.com)
12. 01:14 PM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Roman Bukolt)
13. 01:18 PM - side door cut out for front seat (Matt Keyes)
14. 01:50 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Jack Phillips)
15. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: ok, lemme have it! (Dan Yocum)
16. 02:17 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Gary Boothe)
17. 03:12 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 03:51 PM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Mark Roberts)
19. 04:46 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Matt Dralle)
20. 05:56 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Roman Bukolt)
21. 06:05 PM - Shipman's fuselage tabs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
22. 07:02 PM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Pieti Lowell)
23. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Chet Hartley)
24. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Jeff Boatright)
25. 10:10 PM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Clif Dawson)
26. 10:28 PM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Jared Yates)
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| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
That's true son, and that's why you are getting all the glory.
do not archive
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM, skybachs <skybachs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Favorite line at the Miracle Aircraft Company shop-full-o-Piets:
>
>
> "A monoplane. Are you telling me you're building me an airplane with only
> one wing?"
>
> "Just thought you'd like to know: the biplane's gone the way of the Dodo. "
>
> --------
> NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
> NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
> NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
> NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256458#256458
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>
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| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
weren't you scared? don't be dumb
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Hi all
How much do I curve the wing tip bow?
Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib?
Carson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256480#256480
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Carson,
I followed a line which was half of the height of the wing rib. Check out
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0605_JPG.jpg
It seemed to work out alright.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question
Hi all
How much do I curve the wing tip bow?
Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib?
Carson
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| Subject: | landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of us Lowell.
Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty conditions. Just a matter
of timing in the flare if you're dealt a lull between gusts or you get slammed.
There are some days when landing a Pietenpol in gusty conditions should
qualify one to be certified to ride bulls.
Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of our three
Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of the event)
the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in similar wind
conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary
stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the runway and get
a second chance.
I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people who
kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's
well being, once that was established to not be an issue they should
have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should
know better--if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path
to a conclusion.
Mike C.
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I did just what Peter did. Just make it the midpoint of the height between
the capstrips at each point along the airfoil. In other words, make the
wingtip follow the camber line of the airfoil.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing question
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Carson,
I followed a line which was half of the height of the wing rib. Check out
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0605_JPG.jpg
It seemed to work out alright.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question
Hi all
How much do I curve the wing tip bow?
Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib?
Carson
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| Subject: | landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
"Try California...maybe the CAA hasn't made it out there..."
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of us
Lowell. Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty conditions.
Just a matter of timing in the flare if you're dealt a lull between gusts or
you get slammed. There are some days when landing a Pietenpol in gusty
conditions should qualify one to be certified to ride bulls.
Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of
our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of
the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in
similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing
tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the
runway and get a second chance.
I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people
who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour.
First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be an
issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they
needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take
the least practical path to a conclusion.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered |
NX294RB
There were several other first-timers in our group to Oshkosh like Skip Gad
d and perhaps
Rob Bach, Mike Madrid-but didn't keep track very well. It was a pleasure
to see Randy
Bush in Wisconsin with his dream come true. Great stuff.
Mike C.
PS-have you used your 2009 glass mug yet Randy ?
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| Subject: | 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered |
NX294RB
I've had a good time following Randy's progress with his Pietenpol. Randy
is from my hometown (Jackson, Tennessee) and my mother has sent me newspaper
clippings through the years about Randy's Pietenpol project. What I didn't
know until recently was that Randy's mother (a Nurse) used to work for my
father (who was a physician). I met Randy's mom at Brodhead and enjoyed
talking with her. Small world!
Nice job, Randy, and another good-looking Pietenpol added to the field at
Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his
Corvair-powered NX294RB
There were several other first-timers in our group to Oshkosh like Skip Gadd
and perhaps
Rob Bach, Mike Madrid-but didn't keep track very well. It was a pleasure
to see Randy
Bush in Wisconsin with his dream come true. Great stuff.
Mike C.
PS-have you used your 2009 glass mug yet Randy ?
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
You're looking at an airline pilot son
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| Subject: | Re: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered |
NX...
Thanks Mike and Jack.I really enjoyed that trip,it was truly a dream come
true.I
had a good time seeing every body and meeting lots of new folks and
answering a lot of questions.
No Mike I about forgot about the mug ,sounds like a good excuse to have
a cold one after flying this evening.
Jack my mother said she enjoyed talking to you also and is looking
forward to the bagpipe video.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Like the T-Shirt says, "The FAA is not happy until you are not happy!"
Do not archive
On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> [ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of
> us Lowell. Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty
> conditions. Just a matter of timing in the flare if you're dealt a
> lull between gusts or you get slammed. There are some days when
> landing a Pietenpol in gusty conditions should qualify one to be
> certified to ride bulls.
>
> Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted
> one of our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the
> Piets out of the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar
> Grove nearly lost it in similar wind conditions when landing. Three
> times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary stuff but he
> managed to add power, continue down the runway and get a second
> chance.
>
> I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law
> enforcement people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway
> for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that
> was established to not be an issue they should have cleared off and
> talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should know better--
> if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path to
> a conclusion.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into
the front seat.- It did not look easy.- Maybe I just missed it, but I d
on't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier.-
Has any one had luck with this?- If so, what additional bracing is needed
?- How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods?- Al
so, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair power
ed Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float at
tachments?- Just a guess.
-
Matt
-=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
Matt,
Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few
Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod
requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front 'pit of my Piet with
little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into
the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't
recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any
one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How
about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I
forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had
tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments?
Just a guess.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: ok, lemme have it! |
skybachs wrote:
>
> Come on up any time. Bring your elevators if you want to learn how to recover
and we'll see if we can get them straight.
Elevators will be a winter project, so in a few months when it starts
getting cold.
> Putting the static port in the propwash never works real well with the Piets.
I'd be happy to help you re-route the static line to it's proper spot. There's
always room in the shop for another Piet!
Yeah, I gotta stop thinking like a glider pilot and remember that
there's a big windmill up in front.
>
> Drop me an e-mail if you'd like to come up, by Piet or car, it's not that far.
[Wink]
This weekend is out - I'm on kid duty - but maybe next weekend Stefano
and I will fly up. I'll drop you a line a couple days ahead of time to
see if you'll be around.
Thanks!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
Kurt Shipman's Piet (Lindy Award winner, Osh "09!) has tabs for floats.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into
the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't
recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any
one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How
about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I
forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had
tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments?
Just a guess.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
Jack,
You better re-read the last line=C2-of your=C2-previous post before yo
ur wife=C2-sees it :O)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
Matt,
=C2-
Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few
Piets use it.=C2- Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into
the front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway.=C2-
Any door mod requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not
a good idea, particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the
landing gear/lift strut fittings).=C2- Substantial beefing up of the re
maining structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting
the longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
=C2-
I=99m 6=992=9D and 200 lbs and I can make it into the fr
ont =98pit of my Piet with little trouble.=C2- My wife does it all
the time.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
=C2-
I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb in
to the front seat.=C2- It did not look easy.=C2- Maybe I just missed
it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make thing
s easier.=C2- Has any one had luck with this?=C2- If so, what addition
al bracing is needed?=C2- How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgi
ving of such mods?=C2- Also, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of
the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft
of the pilot seat... float attachments?=C2- Just a guess.
=C2-
Matt
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
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http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Oh THAT was great!
Sadly, I think it would apply to most any branch of the Federal Gov't.
Mark
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> wrote:
>
> Like the T-Shirt says, "The FAA is not happy until you are not happy!"
>
> Do not archive
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
> Corporation] wrote:
>
>> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>>
>> Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of us
>> Lowell. Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty conditions.
>> Just a matter of timing in the flare if you're dealt a lull between gusts
>> or you get slammed. There are some days when landing a Pietenpol in gusty
>> conditions should qualify one to be certified to ride bulls.
>>
>> Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of
>> our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of
>> the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in
>> similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing
>> tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the
>> runway and get a second chance.
>>
>> I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement
>> people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an
>> hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be
>> an issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they
>> needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take
>> the least practical path to a conclusion.
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
Yeah, wow, she's 6'2"...? ;-)
Matt
At 02:33 PM 8/7/2009 Friday, you wrote:
>Jack,
>
>You better re-read the last line of your previous post before your wife sees it
:O)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>
>Matt,
>
>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few Piets
use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the front cockpit
of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod requires cutting
the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea, particularly in
the area between the cabane struts (and the landing gear/lift strut fittings).
Substantial beefing up of the remaining structure attempts to restore some of
the strength lost by cutting the longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial
weight.
>
>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet with
little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
>
>Jack Phillips
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>Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
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>I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell my
boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into the front
seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing
any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any one had luck
with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How about steel fuseluges,
are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I forgot which one it
was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron,
aft of the pilot seat... float attachments? Just a guess.
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| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
My Piet has a door. the fuselage and tail feathers are all welded
tubing and the cut-out is reinforced and yes it makes it a lot easier
to get in.
You cn see numerous pics of my Piet on the Westcoast piet site in it
is NX20795.
Look under the name Roman Bukolt.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Matt Keyes wrote:
> I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work
> (don't tell my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman
> trying to climb into the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I
> just missed it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut
> out to make things easier. Has any one had luck with this? If so,
> what additional bracing is needed? How about steel fuseluges, are
> they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I forgot which one it
> was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the
> bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments? Just a
> guess.
>
> Matt
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| Subject: | Shipman's fuselage tabs |
In speaking with Kurtat Brodhead I believe he indicated those tabs were for snow
skis-- the bungee that holds the rear tips
of the skis.
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a registered letter late
Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have 10 days from the letter's date
to respond to FAA regarding practically redoing my complete Private License Tests
learning over, from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride ,
Area operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of phone calls
just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear plane, and when asked
if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a Pietenpol HA only certified craft
with ALL paper work on the plane complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes
yet available and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle
and with over 2000 tail dragger hours.
Pieti Lowell
Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of our three
Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of the event)
the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in similar wind
conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary
stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the runway and get
a second chance.
I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people who
kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's
well being, once that was established to not be an issue they should
have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should
know better--if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path
to a conclusion.
Mike C.[/quote]
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Pieti,
I have my Piet for sale and I't will be gone by next weekend, but I would be
happy to help you out as in getting you reinstated, and the tail dragger
endorsment.
I'm a CFII with lots of tail dragger time also, I'm sure you can teach me a
couple of things.
Please fell free to e-mail me or call
chethartley1@mchsi.com
573-645-0534
Brent Scott and I know each other and I live only a few miles from him.
Chet
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Lowell,
Have you told EAA about this? If this is the treatment you get, why
should anyone fly into Oshkosh, particulalry anyone with a
taildragger?
Jeff
>
>You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a
>registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have
>10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding
>practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over,
>from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride , Area
>operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of
>phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear
>plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a
>Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane
>complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available
>and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with
>over 2000 tail dragger hours.
>Pieti Lowell
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
I thought this kind of thing is what your AOPA is for.
Clif
> Lowell,
>
> Have you told EAA about this? If this is the treatment you get, why
> should anyone fly into Oshkosh, particulalry anyone with a
> taildragger?
>
> Jeff
>>
>>You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a
>>registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have
>>10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding
>>practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over,
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Lowell, I've been through what you are going through, and I must say that it
is can be an unpleasant experience. You aren't by chance enrolled in the
AOPA legal services plan, are you? I found first-hand that FAA inspectors
can try to overstep their power and duties quite regularly. Having someone
to ask "can they ask me that" made it much easier for me.
It is a privilege that they have to re-evaluate any airman, at the airman's
expense. It stinks, but you'll have to take it seriously! If they don't
give you a satisfactory result to the checkride, you won't be able to fly
anymore. Respond before the deadline, and keep in mind that you don't have
to take the checkride within 10 days, you just have to respond. In my case,
it was actually a month or two after the accident before the re-evaluation
ride.
Also note that you aren't obliged to answer questions about the past. The
FAA inspectors know that they don't have the privilege of interrogating you
to try and get evidence for a violation. In my case they were trying to use
the reevaluation ride as a chance to do just that. I spent a couple of
hours dodging questions about the accident flight and requesting that the
inspector stick to general questions about my qualifications to hold my
certificate. It was a diplomatic tightrope to say the least. I hope that
you end up with a good FSDO and inspector, and that your experience was
better than mine. Let them know that you are going to have trouble finding
a tailwheel airplane to rent, and that should buy you some time. You might
also consider hiring a specialized aviation lawyer if you are not in the
legal services plan, depending on how important it is to you that you
continue to hold your certificate. You can also find the inspector's
handbook online and read about what the boundries are for the checkride, as
far as what they should and shouldn't be asking you about.
>From this point on, take notes about who you talk to at the FAA/NTSB,
including the date and time, and a brief summary of the discussion. In my
case my file fell between the cracks on their end, and they tried to accuse
me of avoiding the checkride, when they had actually not been returning my
phone calls. This is the kind of thing you might be up against! The folks
at both the NTSB and the FAA are not your friend. As for the rest of you,
think seriously about that legal services plan! As some have said, this
type of thing can happen to any of us.
Hang in there! You can do this, but be smart about it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday
<Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a registered
letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have 10 days from the
letter's date to respond to FAA regarding practically redoing my complete
Private License Tests learning over, from getting a tail dragger to be
retested , check ride , Area operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ?
so far dozens of phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional
gear plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a
Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane
complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available and I
don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with over 2000 tail
dragger hours.
Pieti Lowell
Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of
our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of
the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in
similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing
tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the
runway and get a second chance.
I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people
who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour.
First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be an
issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they
needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take
the least practical path to a conclusion.
Mike C.[/quote]
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