---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/07/09: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:19 AM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (Ryan Mueller) 2. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 3. 05:47 AM - wing question (carson) 4. 06:16 AM - Re: wing question (Peter W Johnson) 5. 06:17 AM - landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 6. 06:31 AM - Re: wing question (Jack Phillips) 7. 06:31 AM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Gary Boothe) 8. 06:54 AM - 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX294RB (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 9. 07:15 AM - Re: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX294RB (Jack Phillips) 10. 07:49 AM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 11. 10:11 AM - Re: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX... (RBush96589@aol.com) 12. 01:14 PM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Roman Bukolt) 13. 01:18 PM - side door cut out for front seat (Matt Keyes) 14. 01:50 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Jack Phillips) 15. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: ok, lemme have it! (Dan Yocum) 16. 02:17 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Gary Boothe) 17. 03:12 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (helspersew@aol.com) 18. 03:51 PM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Mark Roberts) 19. 04:46 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Matt Dralle) 20. 05:56 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Roman Bukolt) 21. 06:05 PM - Shipman's fuselage tabs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 22. 07:02 PM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Pieti Lowell) 23. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Chet Hartley) 24. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Jeff Boatright) 25. 10:10 PM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Clif Dawson) 26. 10:28 PM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Jared Yates) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields From: Ryan Mueller That's true son, and that's why you are getting all the glory. do not archive On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:50 PM, skybachs wrote: > > Favorite line at the Miracle Aircraft Company shop-full-o-Piets: > > > "A monoplane. Are you telling me you're building me an airplane with only > one wing?" > > "Just thought you'd like to know: the biplane's gone the way of the Dodo. " > > -------- > NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! > NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream > NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done > NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256458#256458 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:48 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: flying low over farm fields weren't you scared? don't be dumb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question From: "carson" Hi all How much do I curve the wing tip bow? Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib? Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256480#256480 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:03 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing question Carson, I followed a line which was half of the height of the wing rib. Check out http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0605_JPG.jpg It seemed to work out alright. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question Hi all How much do I curve the wing tip bow? Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib? Carson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:04 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of us Lowell. Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty conditions. Just a matter of timing in the flare if you're dealt a lull between gusts or you get slammed. There are some days when landing a Pietenpol in gusty conditions should qualify one to be certified to ride bulls. Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the runway and get a second chance. I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be an issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path to a conclusion. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:52 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing question I did just what Peter did. Just make it the midpoint of the height between the capstrips at each point along the airfoil. In other words, make the wingtip follow the camber line of the airfoil. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing question Carson, I followed a line which was half of the height of the wing rib. Check out http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0605_JPG.jpg It seemed to work out alright. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question Hi all How much do I curve the wing tip bow? Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib? Carson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:53 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday "Try California...maybe the CAA hasn't made it out there..." Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday Aerospace Corporation]" Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of us Lowell. Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty conditions. Just a matter of timing in the flare if you're dealt a lull between gusts or you get slammed. There are some days when landing a Pietenpol in gusty conditions should qualify one to be certified to ride bulls. Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the runway and get a second chance. I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be an issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path to a conclusion. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:04 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX294RB There were several other first-timers in our group to Oshkosh like Skip Gad d and perhaps Rob Bach, Mike Madrid-but didn't keep track very well. It was a pleasure to see Randy Bush in Wisconsin with his dream come true. Great stuff. Mike C. PS-have you used your 2009 glass mug yet Randy ? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:50 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX294RB I've had a good time following Randy's progress with his Pietenpol. Randy is from my hometown (Jackson, Tennessee) and my mother has sent me newspaper clippings through the years about Randy's Pietenpol project. What I didn't know until recently was that Randy's mother (a Nurse) used to work for my father (who was a physician). I met Randy's mom at Brodhead and enjoyed talking with her. Small world! Nice job, Randy, and another good-looking Pietenpol added to the field at Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX294RB There were several other first-timers in our group to Oshkosh like Skip Gadd and perhaps Rob Bach, Mike Madrid-but didn't keep track very well. It was a pleasure to see Randy Bush in Wisconsin with his dream come true. Great stuff. Mike C. PS-have you used your 2009 glass mug yet Randy ? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:07 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday You're looking at an airline pilot son ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:26 AM PST US From: RBush96589@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st time at Oshkosh: Randy Bush by his Corvair-powered NX... Thanks Mike and Jack.I really enjoyed that trip,it was truly a dream come true.I had a good time seeing every body and meeting lots of new folks and answering a lot of questions. No Mike I about forgot about the mug ,sounds like a good excuse to have a cold one after flying this evening. Jack my mother said she enjoyed talking to you also and is looking forward to the bagpipe video. Randy Bush NX294RB do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:56 PM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday Like the T-Shirt says, "The FAA is not happy until you are not happy!" Do not archive On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > [ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > > Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of > us Lowell. Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty > conditions. Just a matter of timing in the flare if you're dealt a > lull between gusts or you get slammed. There are some days when > landing a Pietenpol in gusty conditions should qualify one to be > certified to ride bulls. > > Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted > one of our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the > Piets out of the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar > Grove nearly lost it in similar wind conditions when landing. Three > times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary stuff but he > managed to add power, continue down the runway and get a second > chance. > > I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law > enforcement people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway > for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that > was established to not be an issue they should have cleared off and > talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should know better-- > if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path to > a conclusion. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:29 PM PST US From: Matt Keyes Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into the front seat.- It did not look easy.- Maybe I just missed it, but I d on't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier.- Has any one had luck with this?- If so, what additional bracing is needed ?- How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods?- Al so, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair power ed Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float at tachments?- Just a guess. - Matt -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:29 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat Matt, Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea, particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight. I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front 'pit of my Piet with little trouble. My wife does it all the time. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments? Just a guess. Matt ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:13 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ok, lemme have it! skybachs wrote: > > Come on up any time. Bring your elevators if you want to learn how to recover and we'll see if we can get them straight. Elevators will be a winter project, so in a few months when it starts getting cold. > Putting the static port in the propwash never works real well with the Piets. I'd be happy to help you re-route the static line to it's proper spot. There's always room in the shop for another Piet! Yeah, I gotta stop thinking like a glider pilot and remember that there's a big windmill up in front. > > Drop me an e-mail if you'd like to come up, by Piet or car, it's not that far. [Wink] This weekend is out - I'm on kid duty - but maybe next weekend Stefano and I will fly up. I'll drop you a line a couple days ahead of time to see if you'll be around. Thanks! Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:13 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat Kurt Shipman's Piet (Lindy Award winner, Osh "09!) has tabs for floats. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments? Just a guess. Matt ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat From: helspersew@aol.com Jack, You better re-read the last line=C2-of your=C2-previous post before yo ur wife=C2-sees it :O) -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat Matt, =C2- Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few Piets use it.=C2- Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway.=C2- Any door mod requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea, particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing gear/lift strut fittings).=C2- Substantial beefing up of the re maining structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight. =C2- I=99m 6=992=9D and 200 lbs and I can make it into the fr ont =98pit of my Piet with little trouble.=C2- My wife does it all the time. =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat =C2- I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb in to the front seat.=C2- It did not look easy.=C2- Maybe I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make thing s easier.=C2- Has any one had luck with this?=C2- If so, what addition al bracing is needed?=C2- How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgi ving of such mods?=C2- Also, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments?=C2- Just a guess. =C2- Matt =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -========= ======================== ======================== = -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday From: Mark Roberts Oh THAT was great! Sadly, I think it would apply to most any branch of the Federal Gov't. Mark On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Roman Bukolt wrote: > > Like the T-Shirt says, "The FAA is not happy until you are not happy!" > > Do not archive > On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace > Corporation] wrote: > >> Aerospace Corporation]" >> >> Skip is 100% right-- that incident could have happened to anyone of us >> Lowell. Mother Nature was rough that morning with those gusty conditions. >> Just a matter of timing in the flare if you're dealt a lull between gusts >> or you get slammed. There are some days when landing a Pietenpol in gusty >> conditions should qualify one to be certified to ride bulls. >> >> Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of >> our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of >> the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in >> similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing >> tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the >> runway and get a second chance. >> >> I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement >> people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an >> hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be >> an issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they >> needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take >> the least practical path to a conclusion. >> >> Mike C. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:43 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat Yeah, wow, she's 6'2"...? ;-) Matt At 02:33 PM 8/7/2009 Friday, you wrote: >Jack, > >You better re-read the last line of your previous post before your wife sees it :O) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jack Phillips >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat > >Matt, > >Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea, particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight. > >I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet with little trouble. My wife does it all the time. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > > >---------- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Keyes >Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat > >I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments? Just a guess. > >Matt > > > > > > > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > >http://forums.matronics.com > > >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > >=================================== >t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >=================================== >tp://forums.matronics.com >=================================== >_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >=================================== > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:44 PM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat My Piet has a door. the fuselage and tail feathers are all welded tubing and the cut-out is reinforced and yes it makes it a lot easier to get in. You cn see numerous pics of my Piet on the Westcoast piet site in it is NX20795. Look under the name Roman Bukolt. On Aug 7, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Matt Keyes wrote: > I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work > (don't tell my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman > trying to climb into the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I > just missed it, but I don't recall seeing any Piets with a door cut > out to make things easier. Has any one had luck with this? If so, > what additional bracing is needed? How about steel fuseluges, are > they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I forgot which one it > was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had tabs on the > bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments? Just a > guess. > > Matt > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:17 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shipman's fuselage tabs In speaking with Kurtat Brodhead I believe he indicated those tabs were for snow skis-- the bungee that holds the rear tips of the skis. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday From: "Pieti Lowell" You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have 10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over, from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride , Area operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with over 2000 tail dragger hours. Pieti Lowell Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the runway and get a second chance. I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be an issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path to a conclusion. Mike C.[/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256592#256592 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:18 PM PST US From: "Chet Hartley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday Pieti, I have my Piet for sale and I't will be gone by next weekend, but I would be happy to help you out as in getting you reinstated, and the tail dragger endorsment. I'm a CFII with lots of tail dragger time also, I'm sure you can teach me a couple of things. Please fell free to e-mail me or call chethartley1@mchsi.com 573-645-0534 Brent Scott and I know each other and I live only a few miles from him. Chet ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:54 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday Lowell, Have you told EAA about this? If this is the treatment you get, why should anyone fly into Oshkosh, particulalry anyone with a taildragger? Jeff > >You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a >registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have >10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding >practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over, >from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride , Area >operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of >phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear >plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a >Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane >complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available >and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with >over 2000 tail dragger hours. >Pieti Lowell -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:09 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday I thought this kind of thing is what your AOPA is for. Clif > Lowell, > > Have you told EAA about this? If this is the treatment you get, why > should anyone fly into Oshkosh, particulalry anyone with a > taildragger? > > Jeff >> >>You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a >>registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have >>10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding >>practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over, ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:15 PM PST US From: "Jared Yates" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday Lowell, I've been through what you are going through, and I must say that it is can be an unpleasant experience. You aren't by chance enrolled in the AOPA legal services plan, are you? I found first-hand that FAA inspectors can try to overstep their power and duties quite regularly. Having someone to ask "can they ask me that" made it much easier for me. It is a privilege that they have to re-evaluate any airman, at the airman's expense. It stinks, but you'll have to take it seriously! If they don't give you a satisfactory result to the checkride, you won't be able to fly anymore. Respond before the deadline, and keep in mind that you don't have to take the checkride within 10 days, you just have to respond. In my case, it was actually a month or two after the accident before the re-evaluation ride. Also note that you aren't obliged to answer questions about the past. The FAA inspectors know that they don't have the privilege of interrogating you to try and get evidence for a violation. In my case they were trying to use the reevaluation ride as a chance to do just that. I spent a couple of hours dodging questions about the accident flight and requesting that the inspector stick to general questions about my qualifications to hold my certificate. It was a diplomatic tightrope to say the least. I hope that you end up with a good FSDO and inspector, and that your experience was better than mine. Let them know that you are going to have trouble finding a tailwheel airplane to rent, and that should buy you some time. You might also consider hiring a specialized aviation lawyer if you are not in the legal services plan, depending on how important it is to you that you continue to hold your certificate. You can also find the inspector's handbook online and read about what the boundries are for the checkride, as far as what they should and shouldn't be asking you about. >From this point on, take notes about who you talk to at the FAA/NTSB, including the date and time, and a brief summary of the discussion. In my case my file fell between the cracks on their end, and they tried to accuse me of avoiding the checkride, when they had actually not been returning my phone calls. This is the kind of thing you might be up against! The folks at both the NTSB and the FAA are not your friend. As for the rest of you, think seriously about that legal services plan! As some have said, this type of thing can happen to any of us. Hang in there! You can do this, but be smart about it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have 10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over, from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride , Area operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with over 2000 tail dragger hours. Pieti Lowell Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted one of our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the Piets out of the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar Grove nearly lost it in similar wind conditions when landing. Three times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary stuff but he managed to add power, continue down the runway and get a second chance. I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law enforcement people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that was established to not be an issue they should have cleared off and talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should know better--if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path to a conclusion. 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