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1. 12:55 AM - Re: Re: flying low over farm fields (TRichmo9@aol.com)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Jack Phillips)
3. 05:46 AM - viewing the posts (skellytown flyer)
4. 06:34 AM - Re: wing question (Lagowski Morrow)
5. 07:49 AM - landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
6. 07:52 AM - Re: viewing the posts (Jim Markle)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points (Pieti Lowell)
8. 08:19 AM - 10 years ago, 1999: 70th Anniversary of the Pietenpol Air Camper (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
9. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points (Dick N.)
10. 10:01 AM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Tim Willis)
11. 10:17 AM - Re: viewing the posts (Will42)
12. 01:37 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Mark Roberts)
13. 03:24 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Ryan Mueller)
14. 04:20 PM - I hope the list is dead tonight..... (Ryan Mueller)
15. 05:26 PM - A65 to A75 swap (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 05:51 PM - Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design (helspersew@aol.com)
17. 06:08 PM - Re: I hope the list is dead tonight..... (Gary Boothe)
18. 06:11 PM - Re: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design (Gary Boothe)
19. 06:29 PM - video of a gent who is 6' 3" tall getting into a Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
20. 06:29 PM - Milestone day in my Pietenpol build (Ben Charvet)
21. 06:41 PM - Re: Milestone day in my Pietenpol build (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
22. 06:42 PM - Re: Milestone day in my Pietenpol build (Jack Phillips)
23. 06:50 PM - Re: I hope the list is dead tonight..... (Jack Phillips)
24. 08:40 PM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Tim Willis)
25. 08:55 PM - Re: A65 to A75 swap (Jeff Boatright)
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| Subject: | Re: flying low over farm fields |
jim you need any help a voice from the past tom
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| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
She's not 6'2", but she's not 5'2" either . Karen is about 5' 9" tall. She
doesn't seem to have any problem climbing into the front seat.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
Yeah, wow, she's 6'2"...? ;-)
Matt
At 02:33 PM 8/7/2009 Friday, you wrote:
>Jack,
>
>You better re-read the last line of your previous post before your wife
sees it :O)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>
>Matt,
>
>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few
Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod
requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
>
>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet
with little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
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r@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Matt Keyes
>Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:17 PM
>To: <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>
>I was surfing the net the other night during down time at work (don't tell
my boss) and came across a video of a young gentleman trying to climb into
the front seat. It did not look easy. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't
recall seeing any Piets with a door cut out to make things easier. Has any
one had luck with this? If so, what additional bracing is needed? How
about steel fuseluges, are they more forgiving of such mods? Also, sorry I
forgot which one it was, but one of the beautiful Corvair powered Piets had
tabs on the bottom longeron, aft of the pilot seat... float attachments?
Just a guess.
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| Subject: | viewing the posts |
is it just me or are others having trouble seeing the posts? some seem to be so
wide I have to scroll way to the right to read all of a message and see the rest
of the picture. is there a way to correct that or is it just because the large
picture size causes it to run out? as you see I'm not computer literate.but
have sure enjoyed the fine pictures and got some good ideas for how to enclose
my cowl. I have finally gotten my air scoops done and ready to start that
next. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256628#256628
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| Subject: | Re: wing question |
I did the same thing as Peter. looks good.--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing question
> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Carson,
>
> I followed a line which was half of the height of the wing rib. Check out
> http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0605_JPG.jpg
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> It seemed to work out alright.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
> Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 10:47 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing question
>
>
> Hi all
> How much do I curve the wing tip bow?
> Is it to the same curve as the top of the rib?
> Carson
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| Subject: | landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points |
Lowell-- I thought somewhere in the front of Sport Aviation they have a legal advocacy
group department that can help you thru
such things as the FAA is trying to put you thru.
My apologies for posting incorrect info about Kurt Shipman's Piet fittings-- they
are in fact for floats.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: viewing the posts |
I also open some of these messages and have to scroll for some and not for others.
I did a bit of reconfiguring on my email client (what I use to open/view emails)
and the scrolling seems to have gone away....maybe you need to tweak the program
setup a little....I don't know, but it's worth a try...
And I agree, the pictures are great and I still marvel at what fantastic ideas
show up here...except that sometimes I have to go change something that's already
built because of a "new" way of doing something shows up in a picture....I've
finally stopped that though and have decided to finish "as is" and modify
later....
It will probably be a little over 100 degrees in NE Oklahoma today....I'll definitely
need to open the doors and turn on the big fan!
Trammeling wings and finishing lift strut fittings today.....JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
>Sent: Aug 8, 2009 7:45 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: viewing the posts
>
>
>is it just me or are others having trouble seeing the posts? some seem to be so
wide I have to scroll way to the right to read all of a message and see the
rest of the picture. is there a way to correct that or is it just because the
large picture size causes it to run out? as you see I'm not computer literate.but
have sure enjoyed the fine pictures and got some good ideas for how to enclose
my cowl. I have finally gotten my air scoops done and ready to start that
next. Raymond
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256628#256628
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points |
Thanks Mike,
I am getting good support on this one, I will keep all posted,, as I know others
might be in the same position.
Pieti Lowell
.
.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256645#256645
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| Subject: | 10 years ago, 1999: 70th Anniversary of the Pietenpol |
Air Camper
I know I've posted this before but Lowell Frank and Bill Rewey were with us when
we flew SEVENTEEN Pietenpols from Hartford, WI into
Oshkosh on Runway 18L. (the taxiway turned runway for the event) There was a
southwest crosswind and a DC-3 tookoff from 18R
and his propwash upset on of our group upon landing, damaging his airplane. I
can't think of the gents name off hand but he was from MO.
I don't recall the hubbub that ensued but know he ended up having to trailer his
plane home.
Something like this where they will dog a guy who is totally competent to belittle
him to get some dual and a sign off in tailwheels after
thousands of hours (in type even) is irritating when you KNOW that there are all
kinds of accidents that go unreported--some I've seen
at my home base where the airplane is quietly put away in the hangar. Some of
those accidents should be investigated though because
of incompetency or poor maintenance but the FAA can't differentiate I guess and
have to put everyone thru the meat grinder if it be
a whoopsie or your medical getting reinstated.
Years ago a pair of guys from a nearby grass airport went up to the Lake Erie Islands,
bought a case of wine and flew it back--drinking
all the way. They overshot the runway in the Cessna Cardinal and went across
a road, shearing off both wings between two trees. They
got the airport Ford 8N out, dragged the mess back to the hangar and locked the
doors. Those are the kinds of guys who need some
wrist slaps.
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach points |
Hi Lowell
I was just ahead of you, landing at the same time and it could have just as
easily been me on the side of the runway. I caught the same gust and
thought I had broke a bungee as my wing tip was way down and I had every bit
of rudder and aileron stuffed in to hold the wing down. Good luck with the
feds.
I still have your strobe. If you would send me your address off list, I'll
mail it back.
Dick N. horzpool@goldengate.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday & Kurt's attach
points
> <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks Mike,
> I am getting good support on this one, I will keep all posted,, as I know
> others might be in the same position.
> Pieti Lowell
> .
>
> .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256645#256645
>
>
>
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| Subject: | side door cut out for front seat |
To door, or not to door... that is the question.
Corky already had a well reinforced door cutout on his second Piet-- my current
project. (Oscar's Piet was his first.) I am keeping the cutout and have fabbed
a door. Concerned about hard landings and stress points right there, I added
one more diagonal brace, as well.
As Jack rightly says, no doubt you lose strength cutting the top longeron. You
gain weight trying to get enough strength, not all of it, back. Those are good
reasons not to do it. However, many of my likely future passengers, like myself,
just don't bend that well anymore. For instance, my wife is only 5' 3"
and under 100 pounds, but she is no longer flexible. [As an aside, I doubt,
despite my best intentions, that she will ever fly in it. She doesn't like first
class in a 747. Her loss. I am still hopeful.]
I became somewhat convinced the door could be a good idea when my neighbor my same
age, 67, at 6 feet and in good shape ( a runner), had some trouble getting
into and out of the Piet here, even with the door cutout and a stepstool. There
is just not a lot of room to put feet, trunk, shoulders, through various restrictions
and into the right spaces.
A few months back Oscar took a passenger of about 55 years age and 200 pounds.
He was of average height, but I saw that he had a lot of trouble bending into
the spaces, both getting in and out. Of course, even with the door cutout, I
will be unlikely to carry someone my height, girth, and weight. It's a fact.
In short, having a door is a choice with some possible future benefits but known
immediate penalties. It also adds complexity and time to the build. Likely
many who add the door, I have specific passengers in mind that I/they wish to
fit. That's my case-- as I once told Chuck Gantzer, I am trying to make it easier
for tall Nicole Kidman to get in ;) Seriously, on balance, if Corky had
not already done a good job with the coutout, I likely would not have added a
door. It's your choice.
Tim in central TX
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>>
>>Matt,
>>
>>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but few
>Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
>front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door mod
>requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
>particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
>gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
>structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
>longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
>>
>>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet
>with little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>Raleigh, NC
>>
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| Subject: | Re: viewing the posts |
I am having the same experience on some of the post; even those without pictures
and under the same heading as those that display without scrolling. No e-mail
involved here so I don't know how to remedy. I also have trouble with the search
feature; have to continually do the search over to see additional posts.
Will
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| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
Hey Guys,
I know there is a set of plans (from Yesterday's Wings Aeroplane Works)
published that I saw from Mike Groah for a door in the passenger side. I was
under the belief it was engineered to be strong enough for the plane.
Mark
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>wrote:
> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> To door, or not to door... that is the question.
>
> Corky already had a well reinforced door cutout on his second Piet-- my
> current project. (Oscar's Piet was his first.) I am keeping the cutout and
> have fabbed a door. Concerned about hard landings and stress points right
> there, I added one more diagonal brace, as well.
>
> As Jack rightly says, no doubt you lose strength cutting the top longeron.
> You gain weight trying to get enough strength, not all of it, back. Those
> are good reasons not to do it. However, many of my likely future
> passengers, like myself, just don't bend that well anymore. For instance,
> my wife is only 5' 3" and under 100 pounds, but she is no longer flexible.
> [As an aside, I doubt, despite my best intentions, that she will ever fly
> in it. She doesn't like first class in a 747. Her loss. I am still
> hopeful.]
>
> I became somewhat convinced the door could be a good idea when my neighbor
> my same age, 67, at 6 feet and in good shape ( a runner), had some trouble
> getting into and out of the Piet here, even with the door cutout and a
> stepstool. There is just not a lot of room to put feet, trunk, shoulders,
> through various restrictions and into the right spaces.
>
> A few months back Oscar took a passenger of about 55 years age and 200
> pounds. He was of average height, but I saw that he had a lot of trouble
> bending into the spaces, both getting in and out. Of course, even with the
> door cutout, I will be unlikely to carry someone my height, girth, and
> weight. It's a fact.
>
> In short, having a door is a choice with some possible future benefits but
> known immediate penalties. It also adds complexity and time to the build.
> Likely many who add the door, I have specific passengers in mind that
> I/they wish to fit. That's my case-- as I once told Chuck Gantzer, I am
> trying to make it easier for tall Nicole Kidman to get in ;) Seriously, on
> balance, if Corky had not already done a good job with the coutout, I likely
> would not have added a door. It's your choice.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
> >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
> >>
> >>Matt,
> >>
> >>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but
> few
> >Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
> >front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door
> mod
> >requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
> >particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
> >gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
> >structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
> >longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
> >>
> >>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet
> >with little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
> >>
> >>Jack Phillips
> >>NX899JP
> >>Raleigh, NC
> >>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
Mark,
I have not seen the plans, or spoken with anyone involved with them, but I
would be curious to know if proper stress analyses(sp?) were performed for
those drawings, or whether they were drawn because it 'looked good'. Not to
disparage those that drew them up; just curious.
I concur with Jack's opinions on the detriments to adding the door. Some
have built one in, and it has worked; I'm just not a fan. I look at the door
argument and say this: why, in all his years of building Pietenpol Air
Campers and making changes to the design such as lengthening the fuselage,
using a Corvair auto engine, etc, did he never an Air Camper with a door for
the front cockpit (I've never heard/read of one)? He mentions lengthening
the cabanes four inches on the first Piet built for the Corvair; what other
reason for doing that would he have besides easing entry into the front
cockpit? And if a door was a better idea, why didn't he do that instead? I'm
sure it wasn't because he didn't think of it. He had been in and around
aviation for probably 30 some-odd years by that point, and I'm sure he had
observed side entry doors on many other open cockpit biplane/parasol
aircraft.
Finally, I think there's an issue with Matt using that video for
illustrating how difficult it is to get into a Piet. No doubt, it is more
challenging than many light aircraft. However, it appears that the gentleman
attempting to enter the cockpit was not given a proper step-by-step
explanation of how to do it, and he did not have someone helping him
accomplish it. He just had a cameraman standing there laughing at him as he
tried to figure it out (no offense to the cameraman, I'm just sayin'). With
a minute of explanation, and some help to accomplish it, I'm sure it would
looked far less foolish. It would have been less funny for us to watch, but
I digress....
Ryan
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> I know there is a set of plans (from Yesterday's Wings Aeroplane Works)
> published that I saw from Mike Groah for a door in the passenger side. I was
> under the belief it was engineered to be strong enough for the plane.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>
>> To door, or not to door... that is the question.
>>
>> Corky already had a well reinforced door cutout on his second Piet-- my
>> current project. (Oscar's Piet was his first.) I am keeping the cutout and
>> have fabbed a door. Concerned about hard landings and stress points right
>> there, I added one more diagonal brace, as well.
>>
>> As Jack rightly says, no doubt you lose strength cutting the top longeron.
>> You gain weight trying to get enough strength, not all of it, back. Those
>> are good reasons not to do it. However, many of my likely future
>> passengers, like myself, just don't bend that well anymore. For instance,
>> my wife is only 5' 3" and under 100 pounds, but she is no longer flexible.
>> [As an aside, I doubt, despite my best intentions, that she will ever fly
>> in it. She doesn't like first class in a 747. Her loss. I am still
>> hopeful.]
>>
>> I became somewhat convinced the door could be a good idea when my neighbor
>> my same age, 67, at 6 feet and in good shape ( a runner), had some trouble
>> getting into and out of the Piet here, even with the door cutout and a
>> stepstool. There is just not a lot of room to put feet, trunk, shoulders,
>> through various restrictions and into the right spaces.
>>
>> A few months back Oscar took a passenger of about 55 years age and 200
>> pounds. He was of average height, but I saw that he had a lot of trouble
>> bending into the spaces, both getting in and out. Of course, even with the
>> door cutout, I will be unlikely to carry someone my height, girth, and
>> weight. It's a fact.
>>
>> In short, having a door is a choice with some possible future benefits but
>> known immediate penalties. It also adds complexity and time to the build.
>> Likely many who add the door, I have specific passengers in mind that
>> I/they wish to fit. That's my case-- as I once told Chuck Gantzer, I am
>> trying to make it easier for tall Nicole Kidman to get in ;) Seriously, on
>> balance, if Corky had not already done a good job with the coutout, I likely
>> would not have added a door. It's your choice.
>>
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> >>Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 3:33 pm
>> >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
>> >>
>> >>Matt,
>> >>
>> >>Gary Price developed a door mod for the front seat some years ago, but
>> few
>> >Piets use it. Basically, anyone too large to be able to climb into the
>> >front cockpit of a Piet is probably too heavy to carry anyway. Any door
>> mod
>> >requires cutting the upper longeron and that is simply not a good idea,
>> >particularly in the area between the cabane struts (and the landing
>> >gear/lift strut fittings). Substantial beefing up of the remaining
>> >structure attempts to restore some of the strength lost by cutting the
>> >longeron, and succeeds in adding substantial weight.
>> >>
>> >>I'm 6'2" and 200 lbs and I can make it into the front cockpit of my Piet
>> >with little trouble. My wife does it all the time.
>> >>
>> >>Jack Phillips
>> >>NX899JP
>> >>Raleigh, NC
>>
>
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....because everyone is out flying the pants off of their Piets, or getting
rides in Piets, or taking to the skies any which way they possibly can. My
better half (and you that met her know that is a severe understatement) is
working this evening. I have spent some time cleaning firearms, and will
spend some time cleaning our engine block later on. I hope everyone is
having an enjoyable weekend!
Ryan
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A little update on my engine swap. Last weekend I got the
engine started and everything came up normally but the engine
developed an oil leak about the time I was ready to shut it
down anyway. Also had a very slow drip from the Curtis valve
on the gascolator and the prop was one bolt out of "clock" and
a bit out of track.
Today I took care of all those squawks. Re-clocked and shimmed
the prop to bring it into track, replaced the Curtis drain valve
on the gascolator (DO NOT try to just replace the O-ring on the
nose of the valve... if it leaks, replace it). The oil leak
turned out to be at one of the oil gallery plugs at the front
of the engine and I think I'm eventually going to have to heli-
coil it because the threads on that side aren't great. Engine
started up just fine, runup was normal, and off we went to seat
the rings. Here are a couple of lessons learned.
Performance figures will
not mean anything right now because the engine is very tight
and I flew the airplane with the cowling off, in order to have
everything where I could see it readily. If Dick Navratil can
fly his Rotec radial powered piet with no cowling, so can I!
And I also figured flying it without the cowling would provide
more drag and thus more load on the engine to help with seating
the rings.
1. In a slip (or even in straight flight), a bare Piet firewall
into the wind is more effective than flaps, a belly board, and
Precise Flight wing spoilers. In other words, it has the coefficient
of drag of a broadside barn door. My first approach to landing
was nearly vertical.
2. With power on, this engine/prop combo goes into the redline
VERY quickly when the nose goes down and revs build very readily.
Same for the airplane... nose down equals Vne very quickly unless
power is pulled off right now. It didn't do that with the 65.
3. (A) It gets VERY bumpy on an August afternoon. (B) The vertical
travel of the fuel needle on a Stromberg NAS3 carb is only about
1/16" from full open to full shut. (C) When a Piet with a
Stromberg hits a big summer bump on downwind, the rapid vertical
change can bounce the float in the carb, making the engine
hiccup momentarily. (D) When cautiously breaking in a new engine
and it hiccups, it can make a Piet pilot's heart stop. I now
know this ;o)
The engine is running strong and smooth, starts easily (but is
still very stiff), and promises to provide the airplane with a
real kick in the pants. The proof will come soon, as I put the
cowling back on and get more relaxed in the airplane where I
can put it through its paces.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC, A75 and Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
Gentlemen,
With all this talk about front cockpit doors etc, I think this, an appropriate
time, to take the opportunity to expound on one?of the great?attributes?of the
Pietenpol design.
* Difficulty of entry. In order to get into the front cockpit, one must be somewhat
of a contortionist. In my airplane (not yet flying) I have?concluded upon
a number of specific instructions.?
1) Chock wheels.
2) Step over?left-rear wing strut and brace wire with left foot/leg.
3) While lifting left foot and leg, place left foot on top of left tire.?Using
left hand, grasp?left-front wing strut.
4) Place right hand, onto left-hand front cockpit longeron. Pull body weight forward,?with
both hands/arms, placing entire body weight onto left?leg. Continuing
to lift body weight forward, and after slight?hesitation at the top, begin
to shift body weight to the port side, so as to allow oneself to lift right leg
to sufficient height?to allow to swing right foot over the top of the left-hand
passenger cockpit longeron, all-the-while bending the body forward into a
quite?unatural position, (hoping that cramping will not set-in) and down onto
the front passenger seat frame. (I will have a "red dot" placed in the appropriate
spot as to have a "place of reference" to?inform the potential front seat
passenger where the correct?placement is, to put the right foot, at this stage
of entry, since my seat is woven whicker, and consequently is kind of weak
in the middle).
5) While?changing body weight onto right foot, continue to shift body weight to
starboard, being careful as to not knock one's head into the?downward-protruding
fuel gauge (that is obviously in the way) at this point of the entry procedure.
6) Continue shifting body weight to starboard, and?protrude passenger head out
past (and in between and through) right-hand cabane struts, until potential passenger
has shifted sufficient body weight over so he (she) is able to lift the
left leg up, over, and into the front cockpit floor area. Once this has been
accomplished, the passenger can "settle" down into the front seat, awaiting help
from the pilot/crew, to fasten all appropriate seat belts etc.
?
Let's not forget, that Bernard (he pronounced it "Ber-nerd") never, ever,?mentioned
this design change. As such, it will never be "approved".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Cleaning your guns? That's a good way to keep your Better Half in line...
I had a fantastic day! Just finished ALL the welding on my straight axle
(similar to Larry Williams'). I'll paint tonight and install tomorrow. I
cannot say how many months I have been fretting over this!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I hope the list is dead tonight.....
....because everyone is out flying the pants off of their Piets, or getting
rides in Piets, or taking to the skies any which way they possibly can. My
better half (and you that met her know that is a severe understatement) is
working this evening. I have spent some time cleaning firearms, and will
spend some time cleaning our engine block later on. I hope everyone is
having an enjoyable weekend!
Ryan
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| Subject: | Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
...or limit passengers to 8 yr olds.
Instructions to my grandson will be, "Just climb in." That's all he'll need.
You must have been watching me climb in to Greg's Piet. I pretty much recall
it as you describe.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design
Gentlemen,
With all this talk about front cockpit doors etc, I think this, an
appropriate time, to take the opportunity to expound on one of the great
attributes of the Pietenpol design.
* Difficulty of entry. In order to get into the front cockpit, one must be
somewhat of a contortionist. In my airplane (not yet flying) I have
concluded upon a number of specific instructions.
1) Chock wheels.
2) Step over left-rear wing strut and brace wire with left foot/leg.
3) While lifting left foot and leg, place left foot on top of left tire.
Using left hand, grasp left-front wing strut.
4) Place right hand, onto left-hand front cockpit longeron. Pull body weight
forward, with both hands/arms, placing entire body weight onto left leg.
Continuing to lift body weight forward, and after slight hesitation at the
top, begin to shift body weight to the port side, so as to allow oneself to
lift right leg to sufficient height to allow to swing right foot over the
top of the left-hand passenger cockpit longeron, all-the-while bending the
body forward into a quite unatural position, (hoping that cramping will not
set-in) and down onto the front passenger seat frame. (I will have a "red
dot" placed in the appropriate spot as to have a "place of reference" to
inform the potential front seat passenger where the correct placement is, to
put the right foot, at this stage of entry, since my seat is woven whicker,
and consequently is kind of weak in the middle).
5) While changing body weight onto right foot, continue to shift body weight
to starboard, being careful as to not knock one's head into the
downward-protruding fuel gauge (that is obviously in the way) at this point
of the entry procedure.
6) Continue shifting body weight to starboard, and protrude passenger head
out past (and in between and through) right-hand cabane struts, until
potential passenger has shifted sufficient body weight over so he (she) is
able to lift the left leg up, over, and into the front cockpit floor area.
Once this has been accomplished, the passenger can "settle" down into the
front seat, awaiting help from the pilot/crew, to fasten all appropriate
seat belts etc.
Let's not forget, that Bernard (he pronounced it "Ber-nerd") never, ever,
mentioned this design change. As such, it will never be "approved".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | video of a gent who is 6' 3" tall getting into a Pietenpol |
I've had guys in their 80's get into my cockpit. Raise the cabanes 2 or 3" higher
than plans and forget about the door. Get a Cub or Champ
if you want a door:) Kidding-- put a door in if you want but you don't need one.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EgR2eGbN0
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| Subject: | Milestone day in my Pietenpol build |
Today was a great one! I've been installing a used A-65 on my project
for the last 3 weeks. I bought it about 18 months ago and it had just
been sitting on the hangar floor since then. Today everything was
finally all hooked up, the prop installed, fuel lines, engine gauges,
etc. I turned on the fuel and immediately had a dripping from the
carbureter. Turns out I hadn't tightened the filter screen cover. That
was fixed quick enough. With the switch off I pulled it through 6
blades and could tell by the sound of the carbureter that it had fuel.
On the second blade if fired on 2 or 3 cylinders. I switched it off and
pulled through 2 more blades, switch on, and it started! I had the
tailwheel tied to a tree, but still I only ran it up to 1500 rpm and
only ran it a few minutes because I haven't installed the eyebrows yet.
>From this link you can see the smile I had.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=399331&l=5d09aea9f0&id=1542217055
After that I loaded my wings onto my trailer and took them out to the
airport so I'd have more room in my shop. I'm hoping to get my decals
installed next week and get through the 2 or 3 hundred small projects
still necessary to finish this thing off.
Ben Charvet
Mims Fl
Hoping to have it in the air for the 80th anniv year
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| Subject: | Milestone day in my Pietenpol build |
Way to go Ben and way to go Oscar-- both engines have RUN !
Your new Florida outdoor air conditioner unit, right Ben ?
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| Subject: | Milestone day in my Pietenpol build |
Way to go, Ben!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Milestone day in my Pietenpol build
Today was a great one! I've been installing a used A-65 on my project
for the last 3 weeks. I bought it about 18 months ago and it had just
been sitting on the hangar floor since then. Today everything was
finally all hooked up, the prop installed, fuel lines, engine gauges,
etc. I turned on the fuel and immediately had a dripping from the
carbureter. Turns out I hadn't tightened the filter screen cover. That
was fixed quick enough. With the switch off I pulled it through 6
blades and could tell by the sound of the carbureter that it had fuel.
On the second blade if fired on 2 or 3 cylinders. I switched it off and
pulled through 2 more blades, switch on, and it started! I had the
tailwheel tied to a tree, but still I only ran it up to 1500 rpm and
only ran it a few minutes because I haven't installed the eyebrows yet.
>From this link you can see the smile I had.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=399331&l=5d09aea9f0&id=1542217055
After that I loaded my wings onto my trailer and took them out to the
airport so I'd have more room in my shop. I'm hoping to get my decals
installed next week and get through the 2 or 3 hundred small projects
still necessary to finish this thing off.
Ben Charvet
Mims Fl
Hoping to have it in the air for the 80th anniv year
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| Subject: | I hope the list is dead tonight..... |
Cool, Gary.
One thing about the wire wheel Pietenpol - you'll draw a crowd wherever you
go.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I hope the list is dead tonight.....
Cleaning your guns? That's a good way to keep your Better Half in line...
I had a fantastic day! Just finished ALL the welding on my straight axle
(similar to Larry Williams'). I'll paint tonight and install tomorrow. I
cannot say how many months I have been fretting over this!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I hope the list is dead tonight.....
....because everyone is out flying the pants off of their Piets, or getting
rides in Piets, or taking to the skies any which way they possibly can. My
better half (and you that met her know that is a severe understatement) is
working this evening. I have spent some time cleaning firearms, and will
spend some time cleaning our engine block later on. I hope everyone is
having an enjoyable weekend!
Ryan
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
Mark,
You can make the cutout strong enough. My point is that it is likely never as
strong as before the top longeron was cut, and it certainly weighs more.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts
Sent: Aug 8, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: side door cut out for front seat
Hey Guys,
I know there is a set of plans (from Yesterday's Wings Aeroplane Works) published
that I saw from Mike Groah for a door in the passenger side. I was under the
belief it was engineered to be strong enough for the plane.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: A65 to A75 swap |
Good job!
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