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1. 12:13 AM - Re: door cutout (Clif Dawson)
2. 12:45 AM - Re: side door cut out for front seat (Clif Dawson)
3. 03:56 AM - Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:02 AM - Fw: door cutout (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 04:25 AM - Welcome-new guy (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. (Jack Phillips)
7. 05:49 AM - Axle Pad (Gary Boothe)
8. 07:07 AM - N8031 pictures across America (Dan Yocum)
9. 07:23 AM - Re: N8031 pictures across America (Gary Boothe)
10. 07:25 AM - Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. (Ryan Mueller)
11. 07:39 AM - Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
12. 07:52 AM - Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? (Jim Markle)
13. 08:02 AM - Re: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design (John Hofmann)
14. 08:02 AM - Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? (Gary Boothe)
15. 08:11 AM - Re: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
16. 09:11 AM - Handheld Radio (Gene & Tammy)
17. 09:22 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (Gary Boothe)
18. 09:23 AM - Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? (helspersew@aol.com)
19. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday (Roman Bukolt)
20. 10:34 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (Gene & Tammy)
21. 10:36 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (Rick Holland)
22. 10:55 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (Gene & Tammy)
23. 10:55 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
24. 11:24 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
25. 11:44 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
26. 11:44 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (Jeff Boatright)
27. 11:54 AM - Re: Handheld Radio (Rick Holland)
28. 11:55 AM - Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? (Jeff Boatright)
29. 12:03 PM - FSDO/MIDO guys (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
30. 01:08 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Jeff Boatright)
31. 01:09 PM - Bear with me, new to the list & first time posting (dgaul94639@aol.com)
32. 01:19 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (K5YAC)
33. 01:35 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Roman Bukolt)
34. 01:38 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Lagowski Morrow)
35. 01:49 PM - metal parts (Oscar Zuniga)
36. 01:49 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Gene & Tammy)
37. 01:51 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Gene & Tammy)
38. 02:17 PM - Re: metal parts (K5YAC)
39. 02:23 PM - Re: metal parts (K5YAC)
40. 02:39 PM - Re: metal parts (TOM STINEMETZE)
41. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: metal parts (Wayne Bressler)
42. 03:15 PM - Re: metal parts (Michael Silvius)
43. 03:54 PM - Re: metal parts (Peter W Johnson)
44. 04:10 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Gary Boothe)
45. 04:22 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Gene & Tammy)
46. 04:41 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Gary Boothe)
47. 05:20 PM - Re: metal parts (shad bell)
48. 05:22 PM - Re: metal parts (Dog67@aol.com)
49. 05:37 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Wayne Bressler)
50. 05:55 PM - Metal Parts (Lynn Knoll)
51. 05:57 PM - Re: metal parts (TulsaFlyer)
52. 06:25 PM - Re: metal parts (amsafetyc@aol.com)
53. 06:30 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (amsafetyc@aol.com)
54. 06:48 PM - Even the plastic model builders (like me) like Piet's!! (TulsaFlyer)
55. 10:04 PM - Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? (Clif Dawson)
56. 11:17 PM - Re: Handheld Radio (Clif Dawson)
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Might as well go for broke and use carbon fibre.
If you can't simplicate, add lightness. :-)
Clif
The ultimate futility is a job well done that served no purpose in the first
place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: door cutout
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Oscar as a good idea with the foam and glass. The cutout may be
> reinforced like the rest of the plane, as well; for instance, with 1'
> thick ply or spruce for some of the infill, with ply gussets inboard of
> that, and of course the outside ply skin. It's plenty strong. As in the
> rest of the plane, the key is triangulation with diagonals and bonding
> with gussets.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: side door cut out for front seat |
A certain somebody I know, who built a model B
powered Piet, upon my questioning the difficulty
of someone getting into the front of his plane with
standard length struts, looked at me kind of sideways
with an impish little grin and said; " That's not my seat."
Clif
"It is precisely from the regret left by the imperfect work
that another can be born." (Odilon Redon)
I must agree with you there!
And besides, door or no door, I will still get to fly! :o) So, it
really depends on how badly the passenger wants to go with me!! :oD
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
?" I really do love you Maudy".............
?"Except in flying weather"
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The ultimate futility is a job well done that served no purpose in the first place.
During the last 10 years of building, I have added, and then eliminated, a number
of these myself.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
?
?
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Hi Mike,
Welcome to the list. Every former RC builder that I know turned out to be a?superb
"real" airplane builder. Lon Deinst who lives on the same field I do, used
to be an RC guy. He is a prolific homebuilder, and a very good one at that. Anyone
who was at Oshkosh might have seen his replica (built only from two old
drawings and a few photos) of Art Chester's 1930 racer, the "Jeep" parked over
along the creek by the Theatre in the Woods. Unbelievable craftsmanship and built
to exact detail (better than the one that is in the museum that is just cobbled
together).
So you know more than you think you do. This is just a big model. And don't worry
about getting it "certified", they give you 40 hours to kill yourself before
they let you harm any passengers :O)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
Mike,
You've already gotten some good advice (and a good dose of lines from The
Great Waldo Pepper). Buy the Bingelis books. Apart from being a wealth of
good information about all kinds of things you'll need to know to build an
airplane (just how much do you know about venting fuel systems, or bleeding
brakes? - Those are just a couple of topics he covers well), the books are
well written and are interesting reading.
As for the questions that invariably come up whenever a new builder gets
started, I'll try to list them and will give my opinion on them. You know
what they say about opinions - they are like rectums. Everybody's got one
and most are full of s--t.
What Plans to use? Buy the plans from Andrew Pietenpol (Bernard's
grandson). http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ I would also recommend
buying the reprint of the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual that EAA publishes.
It has the original plans and a commentary from Pietenpol on building that
is enjoyable reading.
Wood or steel? - Your choice. Anecdotal evidence indicates the steel tube
fuselages are lighter. However, they require more planning because you have
to weld on fittings for any attachments, rather than just screwing something
onto the wood.
What engine? - just about everything has been used, from Model A Fords to
Szekely 3-cylinder radials to Continentals to Corvairs. Some work better
than others. Purists would say that you should use what Pietenpol used, but
that covers the gamut above. My personal choice is to use a small
Continental (I have an A65, but if I did it over I would probably use an
O-200). I live in North Carolina (soon to be moving to the Blue Ridge
Mountains of Virginia) and an engine failure in this part of the country is
not to be taken lightly. Therefore I want the most reliable engine I can
find and it is hard to beat the small Continentals for reliability. Many
Piet builders are using Corvairs now, because Pietenpol did it and they are
cheap and powerful. They also (in my opinion) are not terribly reliable.
Shad Bell knows more about Corvairs than anyone, based on personal FLYING
experience and he has had a number of serious failures with his. He also
lives in the midwest and I think that is key - every year when I fly mine to
Brodhead I breathe a sigh of relief when I cross over the Ohio River and
enter the midwest, where the biggest problem in a forced landing is choosing
which of a dozen acceptable landing fields is the BEST field. Prior to
crossing the Ohio, I think I counted 4 fields that I passed over in Virginia
and West Virginia where I could land the Pietenpol and be able to take off
again without damaging it. Since you live in the midwest, your engine
choice is a little more open.
What wood? You didn't ask this, but you will. Again, since this is my
email, you get my opinion. I like aircraft grade Sitka Spruce. It has the
best strength to weight ratio of any wood, is wonderful to work (doesn't
splinter like fir does) and while expensive, it also offers great piece of
mind since you don't have to worry if you found all the defects in wood you
selected at a lumber yard. Even though it is expensive, the cost of all the
wood in the airplane is a small fraction of the total cost of the project.
I basically spared no expense in building mine and the total cost of the
entire airplane was right at $15,000 which was spread over 8 years of
building (I like to tell people I spent the same amount building that
airplane that a 2-pack a day smoker would have spent on cigarettes in the
same timeframe). Of that amount, all the wood totaled about $1,000.
What Glue? Most people use T-88 (I did too in the cockpit area where it
shows). I like Resorcinol. Epoxies are fine, but even now the only glue
the FAA allows for use when repairing or rebuilding a certificated aircraft
is Resorcinol. I like working with it, even though it is more troublesome
than epoxy (joints have to fit perfectly because resorcinol will not fill a
gap like epoxy will).
Hardware? Again, I like certified aircraft parts. It costs a bit more, but
you know what you've got instead of hoping that the cheap Chinese steel in
those Home Depot bolts can stand the load holding your lift struts to your
wing. It also helps convince the DAR or FAA inspector that you know what
you're doing when they are inspecting your craft to give you the
Airworthiness Certificate. Aircraft Spruce & Specialty sells a kit with an
assortment of AN hardware that will cover most of your needs. BTW, order
their catalog (www.aircraftspruce.com) . They are a good source (if a bit
pricey) for nearly everything you will need, and their catalog has a lot of
good information in it. The catalog is free.
DVD's? Someone already mentioned Mike Cuy's excellent DVD. It is available
through Glenn Thomas' website www.flyingwood.com , under "Inspiration".
Also listed there is Chuck Gantzer's DVD on flying NX770CG, which is also
worth having. There are other DVD's being offered, but these are the only
two I know of from people who have actually finished and flown their Air
Campers.
Local Pietenpol Builders in the Milwaukee/Chicago area? I know of several,
but will let them come forth on their own. You are certainly close enough
to Brodhead that you should plan to attend there every year (it is always
the weekend before that other Wisconsin fly-in)
Join the EAA - While many of us feel the EAA lately has turned their back on
homebuilders, especially those of us who are not building from kits, they
still are a worthwhile organization to support. They offer a lot of books
and sources of information that you will need. Join a good local chapter if
you can.
Learn to fly before you finish your Pietenpol - I love flying my Pietenpol,
but it is not an ideal trainer for a number of reasons. I recommend you get
your license in something more conventional, then get your tailwheel
training in a Piper J-3 Cub before trying to fly your Pietenpol. If you can
find a place where you can do all your training in a Cub, even better. I
know Steve Krog at Hartford Wisconsin still trains in Cubs. I'm not sure
how far that is from Palatine IL. There may be Cubs for rent at Poplar
Grove (C77). That's pretty neat airport, with a lot of homebuilding and
Vintage Aircraft activity.
OK - I've aired my opinions. Let the flames begin!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
"Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC - Smith Mountain Lake, VA
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
motorbikemikexb9
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help.
<motorbikemikexb9@comcast.net>
Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge. I've
been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love their classic
look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open cockpit" design. I'm
planning to get started building a Air Camper for myself very soon. I was
up at Oshkosh last week and seeing them up close finally nudged me over the
edge into deciding to build one. I have a pretty solid background in metal
fabrication and wood working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens of
giant scale R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes
but feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about airframe
strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what is needed to get a
airframe / engine built safe and certified. This will be my first full
scale build. All of my R/C's have been very safe good flying machines but I
have never had to go through any certification process to fly them. I'm
currently working on m!
y private pilots license as well.
To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any good
places to find information that will help me with my build.
Some admediate concerns are:
what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go: Wood or
steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain grades of fasteners
or hardware recomended or required for this type of build. where is a good
place to find books / DVD's covering full scale aircraft Building / covering
/ certification? Are their any local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/
Milwaukee area?
Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the forum
and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my plane comes
together.
Thanks, Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
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Straight Axle Guys,
Upon the suggestion by PF Beck that a rubber pad under the axle would
eliminate a lot of wear and tear, I decided to incorporate one during the
set-up of my axle and brakes. My brake design is a copy-cat from Larry
Williams, with one very important difference - his is yellow, mine is black.
I even ran the anti-rotation rods thru the Hickory block! (Thanks, Larry)
Many years ago, a friend had a contract to install rubber padding in horse
stalls; the kind that would go on concrete, hold up to the heavy abuse of
hooves, and be ergonomic. He had a lot of leftover pieces, which he gave to
me and I use for floor padding in my shop.to go over the concrete, hold up
to heavy abuse, and be ergonomic..
In the attachment you can see that I have run the anti-rotation rod thru the
rubber, but have not yet come up with a good looking solution to fasten down
the ends. Nevertheless, I have lots of this stuff; enough for about 15 or 20
Piets! It's easy to cut on a band saw, and I would be happy to send out
strips to anyone who thinks this is useful. Maybe you could just cover the
price of postage.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT FLIGHT TESTED, TAXI TESTED, OR STANDING STILL IN
THE HANGER FOR 6 MONTHS TESTED. HECK, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S A PROBLEM,
BUT IF PF RECOMMENDS IT.IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING!
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| Subject: | N8031 pictures across America |
Hi all,
Tres and his flying buddy took a bunch of pictures as they flew N8031
across the country from SBP to OSH. He posted them here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/Pietenpol2009#
Looking at these, I do not miss living in the Sonoran Desert (Tucson).
Enjoy!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | N8031 pictures across America |
Dan,
The whole thing just adds a very interesting chapter to that plane! I
followed its progress on the 'SPOT' web site (thanks for posting that),
until it was time to leave for Brodhead.
Happy flying!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: N8031 pictures across America
Hi all,
Tres and his flying buddy took a bunch of pictures as they flew N8031
across the country from SBP to OSH. He posted them here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/Pietenpol2009#
Looking at these, I do not miss living in the Sonoran Desert (Tucson).
Enjoy!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help. |
Mike,
In addition to the Bingelis books, I would highly recommend Chet Peek's book
'The Pietenpol Story'; not so much for the technical information but because
it is a very well written history of the Bernard Pietenpol and his aircraft.
You can get it directly from Chet: http://www.threepeakspub.com/.
There is also a short film that documents the Pietenpol history, 'Finding
Flight'. It's very well done, and entertaining as well:
http://www.pietenpolmovie.com/
Jack mentioned Poplar Grove.....it's a great airport, and they have a Piper
Cub and a Cessna 140 available for rent/instruction. You can find more info
at: http://www.poplargroveairmotive.com/home.htm. Plus you can visit Dan
Helsper at PG, and he can show you the proper way to build a 'correct'
Pietenpol. ;)
My wife Jess and I are building a Corvair powered Pietenpol. We've got ribs
on spars, and a basic fuselage. We also have just about every part we need
to assemble our Corvair, from overhaul to conversion parts. Our Piet is now
based at it's new home at Olson Airport (LL53), which is a little airport
just southwest of Elgin, off of Rt 47. There is now also a flying Piet at
Olson, with the addition of Dan Yocum's new baby.
All for now, have a good day,
Ryan
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You've already gotten some good advice (and a good dose of lines from The
> Great Waldo Pepper). Buy the Bingelis books. Apart from being a wealth of
> good information about all kinds of things you'll need to know to build an
> airplane (just how much do you know about venting fuel systems, or bleeding
> brakes? - Those are just a couple of topics he covers well), the books are
> well written and are interesting reading.
>
> As for the questions that invariably come up whenever a new builder gets
> started, I'll try to list them and will give my opinion on them. You know
> what they say about opinions - they are like rectums. Everybody's got one
> and most are full of s--t.
>
> What Plans to use? Buy the plans from Andrew Pietenpol (Bernard's
> grandson). http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/<http://www.pressenter.com/%7Eapietenp/> I would also recommend
> buying the reprint of the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual that EAA publishes.
> It has the original plans and a commentary from Pietenpol on building that
> is enjoyable reading.
>
> Wood or steel? - Your choice. Anecdotal evidence indicates the steel tube
> fuselages are lighter. However, they require more planning because you
> have
> to weld on fittings for any attachments, rather than just screwing
> something
> onto the wood.
>
> What engine? - just about everything has been used, from Model A Fords to
> Szekely 3-cylinder radials to Continentals to Corvairs. Some work better
> than others. Purists would say that you should use what Pietenpol used,
> but
> that covers the gamut above. My personal choice is to use a small
> Continental (I have an A65, but if I did it over I would probably use an
> O-200). I live in North Carolina (soon to be moving to the Blue Ridge
> Mountains of Virginia) and an engine failure in this part of the country is
> not to be taken lightly. Therefore I want the most reliable engine I can
> find and it is hard to beat the small Continentals for reliability. Many
> Piet builders are using Corvairs now, because Pietenpol did it and they are
> cheap and powerful. They also (in my opinion) are not terribly reliable.
> Shad Bell knows more about Corvairs than anyone, based on personal FLYING
> experience and he has had a number of serious failures with his. He also
> lives in the midwest and I think that is key - every year when I fly mine
> to
> Brodhead I breathe a sigh of relief when I cross over the Ohio River and
> enter the midwest, where the biggest problem in a forced landing is
> choosing
> which of a dozen acceptable landing fields is the BEST field. Prior to
> crossing the Ohio, I think I counted 4 fields that I passed over in
> Virginia
> and West Virginia where I could land the Pietenpol and be able to take off
> again without damaging it. Since you live in the midwest, your engine
> choice is a little more open.
>
> What wood? You didn't ask this, but you will. Again, since this is my
> email, you get my opinion. I like aircraft grade Sitka Spruce. It has the
> best strength to weight ratio of any wood, is wonderful to work (doesn't
> splinter like fir does) and while expensive, it also offers great piece of
> mind since you don't have to worry if you found all the defects in wood you
> selected at a lumber yard. Even though it is expensive, the cost of all
> the
> wood in the airplane is a small fraction of the total cost of the project.
> I basically spared no expense in building mine and the total cost of the
> entire airplane was right at $15,000 which was spread over 8 years of
> building (I like to tell people I spent the same amount building that
> airplane that a 2-pack a day smoker would have spent on cigarettes in the
> same timeframe). Of that amount, all the wood totaled about $1,000.
>
> What Glue? Most people use T-88 (I did too in the cockpit area where it
> shows). I like Resorcinol. Epoxies are fine, but even now the only glue
> the FAA allows for use when repairing or rebuilding a certificated aircraft
> is Resorcinol. I like working with it, even though it is more troublesome
> than epoxy (joints have to fit perfectly because resorcinol will not fill a
> gap like epoxy will).
>
> Hardware? Again, I like certified aircraft parts. It costs a bit more,
> but
> you know what you've got instead of hoping that the cheap Chinese steel in
> those Home Depot bolts can stand the load holding your lift struts to your
> wing. It also helps convince the DAR or FAA inspector that you know what
> you're doing when they are inspecting your craft to give you the
> Airworthiness Certificate. Aircraft Spruce & Specialty sells a kit with an
> assortment of AN hardware that will cover most of your needs. BTW, order
> their catalog (www.aircraftspruce.com) . They are a good source (if a bit
> pricey) for nearly everything you will need, and their catalog has a lot of
> good information in it. The catalog is free.
>
> DVD's? Someone already mentioned Mike Cuy's excellent DVD. It is
> available
> through Glenn Thomas' website www.flyingwood.com , under "Inspiration".
> Also listed there is Chuck Gantzer's DVD on flying NX770CG, which is also
> worth having. There are other DVD's being offered, but these are the only
> two I know of from people who have actually finished and flown their Air
> Campers.
>
> Local Pietenpol Builders in the Milwaukee/Chicago area? I know of several,
> but will let them come forth on their own. You are certainly close enough
> to Brodhead that you should plan to attend there every year (it is always
> the weekend before that other Wisconsin fly-in)
>
> Join the EAA - While many of us feel the EAA lately has turned their back
> on
> homebuilders, especially those of us who are not building from kits, they
> still are a worthwhile organization to support. They offer a lot of books
> and sources of information that you will need. Join a good local chapter
> if
> you can.
>
> Learn to fly before you finish your Pietenpol - I love flying my Pietenpol,
> but it is not an ideal trainer for a number of reasons. I recommend you
> get
> your license in something more conventional, then get your tailwheel
> training in a Piper J-3 Cub before trying to fly your Pietenpol. If you
> can
> find a place where you can do all your training in a Cub, even better. I
> know Steve Krog at Hartford Wisconsin still trains in Cubs. I'm not sure
> how far that is from Palatine IL. There may be Cubs for rent at Poplar
> Grove (C77). That's pretty neat airport, with a lot of homebuilding and
> Vintage Aircraft activity.
>
> OK - I've aired my opinions. Let the flames begin!
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC - Smith Mountain Lake, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> motorbikemikexb9
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:48 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello I'm new here. I'm looking for a little help.
>
> <motorbikemikexb9@comcast.net>
>
> Hello everyone. I'm Mike from Palatine IL. I'm taking the plunge. I've
> been a fan of the Air Camper for several years now. I Love their classic
> look and feel, as well as the "top wing / open cockpit" design. I'm
> planning to get started building a Air Camper for myself very soon. I was
> up at Oshkosh last week and seeing them up close finally nudged me over the
> edge into deciding to build one. I have a pretty solid background in metal
> fabrication and wood working. I have also scratch built and flown dozens
> of
> giant scale R/C's over the past 10 years. I do know alot about airplanes
> but feel I still have alot to learn. I'm mostly concerned about airframe
> strength, Proper covering technique and figuring out what is needed to get
> a
> airframe / engine built safe and certified. This will be my first full
> scale build. All of my R/C's have been very safe good flying machines but
> I
> have never had to go through any certification process to fly them. I'm
> currently working on m!
> y private pilots license as well.
>
> To sum things up I'm looking for any information, pointers, or any good
> places to find information that will help me with my build.
>
> Some admediate concerns are:
> what plans to use?, what do you guys think is a better route to go: Wood or
> steel tube Fuse? What engines can be used? Are certain grades of
> fasteners
> or hardware recomended or required for this type of build. where is a good
> place to find books / DVD's covering full scale aircraft Building /
> covering
> / certification? Are their any local Air Camper builders near the Chicago/
> Milwaukee area?
>
> Thanks In advance for any help. I plan to be a regular here on the forum
> and hopefully meet many of you in person "as or after" my plane comes
> together.
>
> Thanks, Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256853#256853
>
>
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Brown, new guy, I'll get him when he gets down........ Shake him Waldo
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| Subject: | Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? |
In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some consulting.....several
weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit south of Brodhead, Freeport
Illinois.
Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me! :-) Oh well.
So is there anyone in that general area? I'll fly into Chicago late Sunday, Aug
23 and drive back to Chicago on Wednesday evening.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design |
Last year Jack gave my daughter a ride. As he was showing her how to
get in, the 13 year old scrambled in like a squirrel up a tree. Jack
looks at me and says, "Makes you sick, doesn't it?" There is a front
seat dance to get in our Cub. She ignores that as well and is even
comfortable up there. I think it is a torture chamber myself. Her time
will come...
"The last time I flew with you, all I saw was the inside of a paper
sack."
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> =85..or limit passengers to 8 yr olds.
>
> Instructions to my grandson will be, =93Just climb in.=94 That=92s all
> he=92ll need.
>
> You must have been watching me climb in to Greg=92s Piet. I pretty
> much recall it as you describe.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down=85)
> Do not archive
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:44 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Enduring attributes of the Pietenpol design
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> With all this talk about front cockpit doors etc, I think this, an
> appropriate time, to take the opportunity to expound on one of the
> great attributes of the Pietenpol design.
>
> * Difficulty of entry. In order to get into the front cockpit, one
> must be somewhat of a contortionist. In my airplane (not yet flying)
> I have concluded upon a number of specific instructions.
>
> 1) Chock wheels.
>
> 2) Step over left-rear wing strut and brace wire with left foot/leg.
>
> 3) While lifting left foot and leg, place left foot on top of left
> tire. Using left hand, grasp left-front wing strut.
>
> 4) Place right hand, onto left-hand front cockpit longeron. Pull
> body weight forward, with both hands/arms, placing entire body
> weight onto left leg. Continuing to lift body weight forward, and
> after slight hesitation at the top, begin to shift body weight to
> the port side, so as to allow oneself to lift right leg to
> sufficient height to allow to swing right foot over the top of the
> left-hand passenger cockpit longeron, all-the-while bending the body
> forward into a quite unatural position, (hoping that cramping will
> not set-in) and down onto the front passenger seat frame. (I will
> have a "red dot" placed in the appropriate spot as to have a "place
> of reference" to inform the potential front seat passenger where the
> correct placement is, to put the right foot, at this stage of entry,
> since my seat is woven whicker, and consequently is kind of weak in
> the middle).
>
> 5) While changing body weight onto right foot, continue to shift
> body weight to starboard, being careful as to not knock one's head
> into the downward-protruding fuel gauge (that is obviously in the
> way) at this point of the entry procedure.
>
> 6) Continue shifting body weight to starboard, and protrude
> passenger head out past (and in between and through) right-hand
> cabane struts, until potential passenger has shifted sufficient body
> weight over so he (she) is able to lift the left leg up, over, and
> into the front cockpit floor area. Once this has been accomplished,
> the passenger can "settle" down into the front seat, awaiting help
> from the pilot/crew, to fasten all appropriate seat belts etc.
>
> Let's not forget, that Bernard (he pronounced it "Ber-nerd") never,
> ever, mentioned this design change. As such, it will never be
> "approved".
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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Some employers have no sense of priority...
Gary
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area?
In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some
consulting.....several weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit south of
Brodhead, Freeport Illinois.
Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me! :-)
Oh well.
So is there anyone in that general area? I'll fly into Chicago late Sunday,
Aug 23 and drive back to Chicago on Wednesday evening.
Jim
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Oh I never take kids up alone, I just told you that so you'd work for me
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Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do
well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do well
in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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Jim,
Poplar Grove is only a few minutes out of your way either going or coming from
Freeport. I am hanging around the house a lot lately and it would be great if
you came by here. Email or call my cell 815-298-5680. If your evening was free
it is not that far for an evening visit either after work.
Dan H.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2009 9:49 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area?
In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some
consulting.....several weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit south of
Brodhead, Freeport Illinois.
Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me! :-) Oh
well.
So is there anyone in that general area? I'll fly into Chicago late Sunday, Aug
23 and drive back to Chicago on Wednesday evening.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh on Sunday |
Lowell,
in 2007 I had a right main gear strut failure and ground looped on the
09-28 runway at Morey.
Needless to say the FAA wanted me to prove my flying competence in a
certified tail dragger.
I took the failed gear to Milw. FSDO to show them the gear was
constructed from 0.058 wall tubing, not 0.074 as shown on the plans.
Only got a glazed stare from the guy, like he nothing about steel
strength. Also knew nothing about the Piet or homebuilts in general.
After several letters and arguements about having to train in a J-3
and then hopefully rent it along with all the paperwork that belongs
to the aircraft, he finally conceded and came to Moreys after I told
him I repaired the plane and had been flying it all summer. He ended
up standing out near the end of the runway and watched me do three
landings.
Then, lo and behold, one year later, similar incident! This time,
because the original shock struts had springs designed for a 2200 lb.
aircraft, one bolt retaining the spring, sheared out the end of the
tube. That was in June.
Finally in late September I received the same letter requiring me to
prove I can actually fly a Piet. Again we went round and round. This
time he said his boss wouldn't let him come watch.
So I switched to plan B. (I spent a lifetime as a Machine Design
Engineer), so I presented the FSDO with a detailed technical paper
complete with charts, and diagrams describing stress loads,both
static, dynamic, and impact and how they, over time affected the strut.
Weeks later, I received a letter simply saying "the matter was closed".
I wonder if he even had any idea what my tech report said.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote:
> >
>
> You fellows ,I don't think you know the half of it, I got a
> registered letter late Friday , dated Thursday, saying that I have
> 10 days from the letter's date to respond to FAA regarding
> practically redoing my complete Private License Tests learning over,
> from getting a tail dragger to be retested , check ride , Area
> operations III,, IV etc, Where does one begin ? so far dozens of
> phone calls just to find an Instructor with a conventional gear
> plane, and when asked if it would be OK to take my check-ride in a
> Pietenpol HA only certified craft with ALL paper work on the plane
> complete. and it goes on and on. Still no airplanes yet available
> and I don't blame anyone to get involved , what a hassle and with
> over 2000 tail dragger hours.
> Pieti Lowell
>
> Wednesday during the Homebuilt Review Showcase (where they shafted
> one of our three Pietenpol guys--Jack Phillips by cutting one of the
> Piets out of the event) the Rotec powered Junior Ace from Poplar
> Grove nearly lost it in similar wind conditions when landing. Three
> times he nearly had his wing tips in the turf--scary stuff but he
> managed to add power, continue down the runway and get a second
> chance.
>
> I was astonished at the ineptitude of the EAA/FAA/and law
> enforcement people who kept Lowell and his plane out on the runway
> for well over an hour. First off---Lowell's well being, once that
> was established to not be an issue they should have cleared off and
> talked with him elsewhere if they needed to. I should know better--
> if the gov't is involved they will take the least practical path to
> a conclusion.
>
> Mike C.[/quote]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256592#256592
>
>
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Longest cross cournty I've ever heard of! If you'd use a chart and a
compass you might be able to find your way out here. If all else fails,
look for a town's name on a water tower. The Mississippi flows South,
The Tennessee flows north, the Ohio flows West and if you reach the
coast, turn right.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure out which
radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind of antenna
are you using?
thanks
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy <
zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
> Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
> mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
> I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
> a big help.
> Thanks
> Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do
> well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Hi Rick,
Last night ordered the Vertex VXA - 300 Pilot III from www.skygeek.com
for $219.00. Aircraft Spruce wants $340.00 for the same radio. I had
read somewhere else, some time ago, that it was easier to use that the
Icom and it has a better battery, plus it comes with the headset
adapter. I mounted a 45 degree antenna under my cowling (using the
cowling as my ground plane). I tried it with an old radio I had and it
seemed to work just fine, without engine noise.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure out
which radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind of
antenna are you using?
thanks
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy
<zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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Poath
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I am thinking about getting this same radio.... I think it would be
perfect for the Piet. You get anything done the wife's new car? Do you
want to meet to get the shear up to your place and exchange the $70? I
think we could cut up some of that heavy steal angle to send with you to
make a stand.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Hi Rick,
Last night ordered the Vertex VXA - 300 Pilot III from www.skygeek.com
for $219.00. Aircraft Spruce wants $340.00 for the same radio. I had
read somewhere else, some time ago, that it was easier to use that the
Icom and it has a better battery, plus it comes with the headset
adapter. I mounted a 45 degree antenna under my cowling (using the
cowling as my ground plane). I tried it with an old radio I had and it
seemed to work just fine, without engine noise.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure
out which radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind
of antenna are you using?
thanks
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy
<zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others
are mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy
doesn't do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
r
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Sorry for the miss post.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
I am thinking about getting this same radio.... I think it would be
perfect for the Piet. You get anything done the wife's new car? Do you
want to meet to get the shear up to your place and exchange the $70? I
think we could cut up some of that heavy steal angle to send with you to
make a stand.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Hi Rick,
Last night ordered the Vertex VXA - 300 Pilot III from www.skygeek.com
for $219.00. Aircraft Spruce wants $340.00 for the same radio. I had
read somewhere else, some time ago, that it was easier to use that the
Icom and it has a better battery, plus it comes with the headset
adapter. I mounted a 45 degree antenna under my cowling (using the
cowling as my ground plane). I tried it with an old radio I had and it
seemed to work just fine, without engine noise.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure
out which radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind
of antenna are you using?
thanks
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy
<zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others
are mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy
doesn't do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
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onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
IMO, the best handheld EVAH! was the Vertex VXA-150. Plenty of
power, easy to use, great battery life, no frills. For us Pieters, a
bonus is the display location - it's at an angle along the top edge.
Because everything is so close in the Piet pit (the instrument panel
is much closer to the pilot's chest than in many planes), almost
regardless of where you install the radio, you are looking more down
on it that at it. Sadly, no longer available.
I now have the VXA-220, which has the display flat on the vertical
face - much more difficult to read. One advantage of the 220 (and
300) over the 150 is that the adapter connection is much, much more
stout. But, oddly enough, if you use a headset (which requires the
adapter, of course), the built-in PPT on the side of the radio is
disabled. Instead, you MUST use a separate PPT switch. I cannot for
the life of me understand why they would design it this way. I have
always used an external PPT just so I could have the button on the
stick, but one time it failed. No biggie, I just removed that part of
the circuit from the set-up, plugging the headset directly into the
adapter and using the switch on the radio to transmit. Now, can't do
that. Cheap redundancy lost. Bummer.
The 220 and 300 also have VOX, which would provide a similar level of
redundancy in the case of the external PPT switch failing, but I find
that it can't cope with the noise in the open cockpit.
What is everyone else using and why?
>Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure out
>which radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind
>of antenna are you using?
>
>thanks
>
>Rick
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I have also been thinking seriously about the Vertex VXA - 300 or 220. Much
better prices than ICON. A question for anyone that flys with a portable
radio, have you ever needed or wish you had the VOR Nav capability on your
radio?
Rick
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net
> wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> Last night ordered the Vertex VXA - 300 Pilot III from www.skygeek.com for
> $219.00. Aircraft Spruce wants $340.00 for the same radio. I had read
> somewhere else, some time ago, that it was easier to use that the Icom and
> it has a better battery, plus it comes with the headset adapter. I mounted
> a 45 degree antenna under my cowling (using the cowling as my ground
> plane). I tried it with an old radio I had and it seemed to work just fine,
> without engine noise.
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2009 12:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
>
> Which radio are you going with? I am currently trying to figure out which
> radio to buy and the best way to mount it also. Also what kind of antenna
> are you using?
>
> thanks
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Gene & Tammy <
> zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
>
>> Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
>> mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
>> I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
>> a big help.
>> Thanks
>> Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do
>> well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
>>
>>
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? |
Don't know if this fits your calendar, but September 11-13 is the
MAAC Grass Roots Fly-In at Brodhead.
>
>In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some
>consulting.....several weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit
>south of Brodhead, Freeport Illinois.
>
>Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me!
>:-) Oh well.
>
>So is there anyone in that general area? I'll fly into Chicago late
>Sunday, Aug 23 and drive back to Chicago on Wednesday evening.
>
>Jim
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Some are total idiots, some are wonderful. Luck of the draw. The guy who inspected
my Pietenpol
was wonderful. A private pilot who stopped flying to raise a family but he was
so pumped by
visiting Valley City Airport (Cubs, old Fairchilds, Stearmans, etc) that he ended
up buying a Champ
and getting back into aviation. I even went and helped him look at a few Champs
for sale since
I had owned one previously.
One local guy was pilot, IA/A&P and he was all anti FAA until he got a job with
them-- then it went
to his head and now he's a big shot moron who likes to point his finger at people
who do the same
things he used to when he was on the other end of the finger pointing. Moron.
Those are the ones
who give the good FAA guys bad press. Then there are the ones they hire who haven't
a clue about aviation.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Nope.
>I have also been thinking seriously about the Vertex VXA - 300 or
>220. Much better prices than ICON. A question for anyone that flys
>with a portable radio, have you ever needed or wish you had the VOR
>Nav capability on your radio?
>
>Rick
>
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| Subject: | Bear with me, new to the list & first time posting |
Hi everyone,
=C2-
Oshkosh =93 Pietenpol Pilots: I also had the chance to see many of
the Pietenpols and talk with several of the pilots at Oshkosh this year.
I can honestly say in my almost 20 years of being a Co-Chairman of homebu
ilt parking there, the Pietenpol group is about the most down to earth bun
ch of pilots. Every pilot I talked to took the time to answer my questions
and encouraged me to start building one. Not=C2-always the reception yo
u get with other types of pilots.=C2-
=C2-I also want to thank Jack Phillips for his advice. The following day
after my conversation with him, I was able to drag myself and my father
away from our flight line duties=C2-to go to Polyfiber=99s forum
on fabric covering. Jack and=C2-the gentleman from Burlington WI (I can
't remember his name and didn't get his contact info)=C2-inspired me to
start right then and there! So now I'm looking for anyone who is building
or flying a Pietenpol near Elkhorn, WI. I would like the chance to gain
more information and experience in building one prior to starting my own
project. =C2-
=C2-
Homebuilt Review: I also wish the review was a bit longer and feel bad for
anyone who was cut due to time constraints. Every year I take part in the
recovery on 36L/18R and witnessed the Baby Ace=99s =9Calmost
loop=9D across the field this year. He did scrape the right tip a
bit but did a great job in recovering. During a homebuilt review about 8
years ago, I luckily avoided a
n Avid that looped and went right where I had been standing! The wind cond
itions were about the same in both cases.=C2-=C2-
=C2-
Landing on Sunday =93 I was upset to find out about Mr. Lowell
=99s current situation with the FAA and hope things turn out right for him
and he=99s flying again soon. The wind was strong that day as it wa
s the previous day when an RV-6=99s rudder cable broke / ground loop
ed right in the same location. I was training new point personnel at the
convention ramp intersection and saw both occur right in front of me.
=C2-
Not speaking for EAA, just myself, any situation that occurs on the field
is met with an array of flashing lights, questions, and subsequent delays
at the scene. When an incident occurs, it always reminds me of the scene
from Airplane when they roll everything imaginable, crash trucks, police,
Budweiser truck, ice cream van, a concrete truck, tractors, etc. But no
matter what they send or the problems after the fact, I am glad when that
people are able to walk away alive! I have seen the alternative back in
2006 with the TBM vs. RV incident on the taxi-way. Bent metal and splinte
red wood can be=C2-repaired, egos can be soothed, licence's reinstated;
people can't be brought back to life.
Fly safe,
Jeff Gaulden =C2-=C2-=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
I have the Icom IC-A22 NAV/COM. I don't have a lot of experience with many aviation
handhelds, but I've used a whole slew of Icom, Kenwood, Vertex (Yaesu) radios,
and others in various hobbies or other applications. They are all pretty
good, but I've come to like Icom's robust audio and ease of use. I've got
3 Icom handhelds... one is an old IC2AT 144MHz "brick"... aside from the lack
of DTMF tones, it still works great. I also have an 8 year old 4008A FRS radio
that has been through everything (wet, hot, dropped repeatedly) and it too works
great. I'm sure other manufacturers offer a decent aviation product line,
but I can only speak for the ones I've used personally.
As for the NAV feature... it is a great backup for the VOR radio. I actually used
it on one of my cross country flights, just for fun. It works great, and
why not have a backup? Actually, it will be my only VOR reciever in my Piet.
Most likely I won't be doing a lot of cross country anyway, and when I do I'll
likely use my GPSMAP 195, but it will be nice to have the VOR in the event of
a GPS failure.
I've never used the Sporty's radios (not sure who actually makes them), but they
look like they operate real similar to the Icom for ~$100 less. Can't speak
for their performance though.
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
THIS IS MY ICON A24. I HAVE A PPT BUTTON ON THE END OF MY STICK AND
THE RADIO IS WIRED INTO MY INTERCOM ON THE LEFT SIDE ( SEE THE PLUGS
ABOVE THE WHITE THROTTLE BALL. VERY EASY TO READ, AND CHANGE TO ANY
OF 10 CHANNELS PROGRAMED IN.
On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
> Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
> mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
> different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount
> mine. Photos would be a big help.
> Thanks
> Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
> do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Gene, I use an older Sporty's handheld radio. The antenna is one of
those Cessna bent external ones which I straitened and put behind my
seat,.with a cable to the handheld. The radio is strapped to my left leg
with a velcro strap glued to the back of the radio. I didn't want to
mount it to anything. It works--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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Not too long ago somebody posted a picture of their laser-cut
or waterjet-cut metal parts, all out of a single metal plate.
I can't seem to find that picture or the link to it. Does
that ring a bell with anyone?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld RadioI second that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Boatright
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Nope.
I have also been thinking seriously about the Vertex VXA - 300 or
220. Much better prices than ICON. A question for anyone that flys with
a portable radio, have you ever needed or wish you had the VOR Nav
capability on your radio?
Rick
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Great looking cockpit and I like how you located the radio.
Thanks
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman Bukolt
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
THIS IS MY ICON A24. I HAVE A PPT BUTTON ON THE END OF MY STICK AND
THE RADIO IS WIRED INTO MY INTERCOM ON THE LEFT SIDE ( SEE THE PLUGS
ABOVE THE WHITE THROTTLE BALL. VERY EASY TO READ, AND CHANGE TO ANY OF
10 CHANNELS PROGRAMED IN.
On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
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The one I recall was a fellow that had his work done through emachineshop.com,
which offers a neat little 3-D drawing tool that requires you to draw all your
own parts, as they do not allow "second prints" so to speak for anyone other
than the original customer, or something like that. I actually drew some smaller
parts and priced it... very expensive.
I can almost picture the guy's website that had the work done... lots of green
in the color scheme of the airplane I believe... and I think he also has an R/C
model to match. I have it bookmarked at home, but maybe this will help someones
memory if we are thinking of the same guy.
I may know of a guy... well, shhhhh. I'll let him introduce himself if he wants
to offer services.
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Here is the thread I was thinking of http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=844&highlight=emachineshop
And this is direct to DJ Vegh's web site http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/06-10-03.htm
Hope this is what you were looking for.
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You are thinking of D.J. Veigh. His website is here: http://www.imagedv.co
m/aircamper/index.h
Stinemetze,
McPherson, KS.
>>> "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> 8/10/2009 4:16 PM >>>
The one I recall was a fellow that had his work done through emachineshop.c
om, which offers a neat little 3-D drawing tool that requires you to draw
all your own parts, as they do not allow "second prints" so to speak for
anyone other than the original customer, or something like that. I
actually drew some smaller parts and priced it... very expensive.
I can almost picture the guy's website that had the work done... lots of
green in the color scheme of the airplane I believe... and I think he also
has an R/C model to match. I have it bookmarked at home, but maybe this
will help someones memory if we are thinking of the same guy.
I may know of a guy... well, shhhhh. I'll let him introduce himself if
he wants to offer services.
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That was DJ Veigh, I believe.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:16 PM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> The one I recall was a fellow that had his work done through emachineshop.com
> , which offers a neat little 3-D drawing tool that requires you to
> draw all your own parts, as they do not allow "second prints" so to
> speak for anyone other than the original customer, or something like
> that. I actually drew some smaller parts and priced it... very
> expensive.
>
> I can almost picture the guy's website that had the work done...
> lots of green in the color scheme of the airplane I believe... and I
> think he also has an R/C model to match. I have it bookmarked at
> home, but maybe this will help someones memory if we are thinking of
> the same guy.
>
> I may know of a guy... well, shhhhh. I'll let him introduce
> himself if he wants to offer services.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257021#257021
>
>
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Comandante Zuniga:
Can't remember anyone real recent posting such an image. At least not within
the last couple of years. Must be an other list perhaps? I know DJ had his
parts cut by Emachineshop, and I know that would not let clients use
previous job files but then most of DJ's stuff would not likely work for a
Pietenpol as his was a GN-1
su fiel corresponsal:
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Not too long ago somebody posted a picture of their laser-cut
> or waterjet-cut metal parts, all out of a single metal plate.
> I can't seem to find that picture or the link to it. Does
> that ring a bell with anyone?
>
>
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Oscar,
Check out http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0330_JPG.jpg
There are some more in the Build Photos (page 3) of my web site.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 6:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal parts
Not too long ago somebody posted a picture of their laser-cut
or waterjet-cut metal parts, all out of a single metal plate.
I can't seem to find that picture or the link to it. Does
that ring a bell with anyone?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
do not archive
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"Right after the War finished, barnstorming was like this all the time.."
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Longest cross cournty I've ever heard of! If you'd use a chart and a
compass you might be able to find your way out here. If all else fails,
look for a town's name on a water tower. The Mississippi flows South, The
Tennessee flows north, the Ohio flows West and if you reach the coast, turn
right.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do well
in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
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Where are you located? I'm in Camden.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Right after the War finished, barnstorming was like this all the
time.."
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:31 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Longest cross cournty I've ever heard of! If you'd use a chart and a
compass you might be able to find your way out here. If all else fails,
look for a town's name on a water tower. The Mississippi flows South,
The Tennessee flows north, the Ohio flows West and if you reach the
coast, turn right.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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Gene,
I'm 3 seconds away in California (by internet). But a few of us have made a
commitment to fly our newly finished Piets to Brodhead in 2011. Don't worry,
I have your directions down.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Where are you located? I'm in Camden.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Right after the War finished, barnstorming was like this all the time.."
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Longest cross cournty I've ever heard of! If you'd use a chart and a
compass you might be able to find your way out here. If all else fails,
look for a town's name on a water tower. The Mississippi flows South, The
Tennessee flows north, the Ohio flows West and if you reach the coast, turn
right.
Good Luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
"Tennessee is mine. I've been flying that area for 2 years."
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat different,
I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine. Photos would be
a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't do well
in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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As many piets that are under construction, a group of you should get togeat
her and have 5-10 sets of fittings cut, divide the cost and it would be muc
h cheaper.- If there were any left over you could hold on to them and sel
l them at brodhead or to another local builder who came along.- It would
help offset the cost a little.=0A=0A=0A
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I'd go in on that
Let me know
Cheers
jon
In a message dated 8/10/2009 6:21:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
aviatorbell@yahoo.com writes:
As many piets that are under construction, a group of you should get
togeather and have 5-10 sets of fittings cut, divide the cost and it would be
much cheaper. If there were any left over you could hold on to them and sell
them at brodhead or to another local builder who came along. It would
help offset the cost a little.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
"I guess people are just getting used to seeing airplanes"
Do not archive
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:02 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> =9CRight after the War finished, barnstorming was like this all
the ti
> me.=9D
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This might be the solution for some of you new builders.
I just got off the phone with Ken Perkins who lives in Olathe, KS. He
has a stock of ready made parts ready to go. He mentioned wing fittings,
die spring landing gear shock strut, cabane fittings, lift strut
fittings, gear fittings, control sticks, all the flat parts, and
complete tail wheel assemblies.
His phone: 913-764-6949
His email: kenandveraperkins@sbcglobal.net
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Something along that line may be happening [Wink] ...............Stay tuned!!
Jody
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257054#257054
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Oscar I have some plate drawings if that's What you are needing?
Let me know
John
------Original Message------
From: Oscar Zuniga
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 10, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal parts
Not too long ago somebody posted a picture of their laser-cut
or waterjet-cut metal parts, all out of a single metal plate.
I can't seem to find that picture or the link to it. Does
that ring a bell with anyone?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
do not archive
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Even the plastic model builders (like me) like Piet's!! |
A fellow model builder who was at Air Venture took some good pics of the Piets.
And a picture of a now infamous Piet landing.
http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=190432&st
Jody
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| Subject: | Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? |
They know you Jimmy, they know you. :-)
Clif
"I count life just a stuff to try the soul's strength on."
> In their infinite wisdom, my employer has decided to have me do some
> consulting.....several weeks AFTER Brodhead.....to a town a bit south of
> Brodhead, Freeport Illinois.
>
> Why they couldn't have done this a few weeks ago is a mystery to me! :-)
> Oh well.
>
> Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio |
I bought an old Delcom because everything is on the end.
It came with both a chargable pack and an AA pack.
Since the cockpit is small and crouded and I wanted to
retain as much antiqueness as possible I didn't want
this big black flat thing stuck somewhere.
Unfortunately, since I live under the busiest airspace in
all of Canada I now have to have a transponder. I got
one, a Collins, with sender. It apparently is the shortest
one made but it will still be intrusive. Oh well.
Cif
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio
Just ordered a new handheld for N502R and wondering where others are
mounting/keeping them. With each cockpit & panel being somewhat
different, I'd like to see what others have done, before I mount mine.
Photos would be a big help.
Thanks
Gene, in Hot & Humid Tennessee (this poor Ol' fat Alaska boy doesn't
do well in the Southern humid heat). Looking forward to winter.
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