---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/12/09: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:40 AM - Rotec Pober Jr. Ace accident (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: OSH Groundloops (Jeff Gaulden) 3. 04:42 AM - Re: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? (Ken Chambers) 4. 04:43 AM - Re: OSH Groundloops (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 04:53 AM - direct info from Dan Helsper (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 6. 05:08 AM - Re: OSH Groundloops (John Hofmann) 7. 06:18 AM - Re: OSH Groundloops (Wayne Bressler) 8. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: OSH Groundloops (Wayne Bressler) 9. 09:52 AM - worst movie ever (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 10:02 AM - Re: worst movie ever (K5YAC) 11. 10:05 AM - Re: worst movie ever (K5YAC) 12. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: worst movie ever (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 13. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: worst movie ever (John Hofmann) 14. 10:52 AM - Re: worst movie ever (Ryan Mueller) 15. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: worst movie ever (Dan Yocum) 16. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: worst movie ever (Tim White) 17. 12:56 PM - Re: worst movie ever (K5YAC) 18. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: worst movie ever (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 19. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: worst movie ever (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 20. 01:32 PM - Re: worst movie ever (K5YAC) 21. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: worst movie ever (Jeff Boatright) 22. 01:55 PM - I'm an A65 oil change virgin... (Dan Yocum) 23. 02:13 PM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... (Jack Phillips) 24. 02:29 PM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... (John Hofmann) 25. 02:39 PM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... (mksoucy@yahoo.com) 26. 02:40 PM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... (Ryan Mueller) 27. 02:57 PM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... (Ryan Mueller) 28. 04:06 PM - Re: worst movie ever (TulsaFlyer) 29. 04:09 PM - Re: worst movie ever (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 30. 05:09 PM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... (helspersew@aol.com) 31. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: worst movie ever (amsafetyc@aol.com) 32. 08:11 PM - I'm an A65 oil change virgin (Oscar Zuniga) 33. 08:33 PM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin (Gene Rambo) 34. 08:42 PM - Re: worst movie ever (Andrew M Eldredge) 35. 11:20 PM - Re: front cockpit entry (skybachs) 36. 11:22 PM - Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? (skybachs) 37. 11:41 PM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:56 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Pober Jr. Ace accident Wow Wayne, when Rob Busch and I were watching him land after Wednesday Homebuilt Review he did a good job of recovering from what looked like a potential problem with the crosswind. Any chance you might know if this photo was taken in the Saturday (a repeat-kind-of) Homebuilt Review ? The winds were not always kind at Oshkosh this year. http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH Groundloops From: "Jeff Gaulden" Wayne, Do you know when that picture was taken? Which day? Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257265#257265 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? From: Ken Chambers Hey Mike I don't suppose you have any photos of your axle? Love to see how it worked out. And have you figured out the brakes? I wonder what the radius of the 4-bolt pattern is on that wheel. Maybe it matches some of the band brakes or drum brakes on the market? Ken On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Mike Tunnicliffe wrot e: > They look like the Chineese made wheels I'am using, I knocked out the > bearings and installed bronze bushes with a 1" bore as that was the large st > size I could fit through the hub. Not flight proven at this stage. > Regards Mike T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ken Chambers > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:10 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? > > Thats a sweet setup Gary. Never thought of that. I might be able to make > something like that work. > > For tyhe dirt bike wheels I'm looking at, I've emailed the seller to ask > the axle diameter but I haven't heard back. Also trying to figure out how > wide the spoke is, hub to hub. > > Speaking of brakes, there is a flange with four holes on one side. You ca n > see it in the attached photo > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Boothe wrote : > >> Ken, >> >> >> >> I have no machining skills, or tools, either. Attached is a picture of h ow >> I made it happen: Just figured out a way to chuck the axle to one of my =BD=94 >> drills and used wet-or-dry paper to remove the steel; took about 45 minu tes >> ' 1 hour per axle. >> >> >> >> A solid axle is being used by many, but you did not say how big of an ax le >> your bearings might take. >> >> >> >> Gary Boothe >> >> Cool, Ca. >> >> Pietenpol >> >> WW Corvair Conversion >> >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> >> (13 ribs down=85) >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Chambers >> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 8:21 AM >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? >> >> >> >> >> Thanks Gary. That's a beautiful setup you have. I have no machining skil ls >> or tools so I'm trying to figure out a way to do it as simply as possibl e >> with the split axle gear. >> >> I wonder if anyone uses solid axles? Heavier, sure, but would it hold up .. >> On a motorcycle it's supported on both ends by the fork. >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary Boothe >> wrote: >> >> Ken, >> >> >> >> You will likely get the usual discussion on the pros & cons of using >> motorcycle wheels, so you will have to make your own decision on that. I >> bought 21=94 Harley Sportster wheels with the bearings replaced to recei ve 1=94 >> axles. I then used Dick Navatril=92s idea of an 1 =BC=94 axle (tube) wit h >> step-down tubes installed. My step-down tubes run in about 18=94 on each end, >> with the 1=94 OD axle being the last. I had to actually mil this one as it was >> .004=94 over 1=94! >> >> >> >> =93Wheels 1=94 shows that the Harley hub has 5 pre-drilled and threaded holes >> for the disc brake set up on motorcycles. I match-drilled this layout on my >> drub brake shoe and attached the shoe with a cover disc (=931187=94). >> >> >> >> The wheels you are showing have a very interesting spoke attach method, >> and you may be challenged to find a way to attach brakes, either disc or >> drum. >> >> >> >> I am certainly no expert, and mine is not flight-proven. Good luck!! >> >> >> >> Gary Boothe >> >> Cool, Ca. >> >> Pietenpol >> >> WW Corvair Conversion >> >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> >> (13 ribs down=85) >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Chambers >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:59 PM >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: opinions on ebay motorcycle wheels? >> >> >> >> >> Anyone with motorcycle wheel experience care to offer an opinion on thes e >> dirt bike wheels? >> >> Think they'd be strong enough to handle the side loads? Any thoughts on >> attaching brakes? Machining them for a bigger axle? Or could keep the >> existing bearings with a solid axle? >> >> I've emailed to ask hub width and axle diameter but haven't heard back >> yet. Looks like the hub width is maybe 3 inches? >> >> >> http://contact.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ShowCoreAskSellerQue stion&&iid=190248078501&requested=giovannibikes&frm=284&redirect=0& noredirectfaq=1&SSPageName=PageAskSellerQuestion_FAQ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ken Chambers >> 512-796-1798 >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> * * >> >> > > > -- > Ken Chambers > 512-796-1798 > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops From: helspersew@aol.com This was my neighbor Tim Gallagher. He stopped into the hanger last night. It was on take-off on the last Sunday. What happed was, he was in the right seat with his son in the left. After full throttle, they applied right rudder, and the rudder pedal on his side broke off. Tim tried to tell his son but it was too late. He said this was one of his first welds on the whole airplane. He has it all apart in his hanger now doing the repairs, which you can see are going to be substantial. Sad, but no humans broken. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL -----Original Message----- From: wayne@taildraggersinc.com Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:50 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops ? Fellas,? ? It looks like that Pober Junior Ace with the Rotec didn't escape Oshkosh 2009 unscathed afterall: http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB? ? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like a rough week for a lot of folks.? ? Sorry about the misfortune at the Big Show.? ? -Wayne Bressler? wayne@taildraggersinc.com? www.taildraggersinc.com? ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:20 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: direct info from Dan Helsper Thank you for filling us in on Tim's situation departing Oshkosh Dan. I was looking at the historical weather data for Sunday at 2 pm (which was when the photo was taken) and the winds were a direct crosswind from 270 at 15, gusting to 20 mph but evidently they had bigger problems with that weld breaking. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:21 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops Dan, I wondered what happened. I was driving home from work a few days ago and the trailer with the Junior Ace on it passed me on the other side of the road. It was a bit sad. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:39 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > This was my neighbor Tim Gallagher. He stopped into the hanger last > night. It was on take-off on the last Sunday. What happed was, he > was in the right seat with his son in the left. After full throttle, > they applied right rudder, and the rudder pedal on his side broke > off. Tim tried to tell his son but it was too late. He said this was > one of his first welds on the whole airplane. He has it all apart in > his hanger now doing the repairs, which you can see are going to be > substantial. Sad, but no humans broken. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wayne@taildraggersinc.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:50 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops > > > > > Fellas, > > It looks like that Pober Junior Ace with the Rotec didn't escape > Oshkosh 2009 unscathed afterall: http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like a rough week > for a lot of folks. > > Sorry about the misfortune at the Big Show. > > -Wayne Bressler > wayne@taildraggersinc.com > www.taildraggersinc.com > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:18 AM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops Dan, Thank you for the full story. I hope I didn't contribute to any misinformation being passes around. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:39 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > This was my neighbor Tim Gallagher. He stopped into the hanger last > night. It was on take-off on the last Sunday. What happed was, he > was in the right seat with his son in the left. After full throttle, > they applied right rudder, and the rudder pedal on his side broke > off. Tim tried to tell his son but it was too late. He said this was > one of his first welds on the whole airplane. He has it all apart in > his hanger now doing the repairs, which you can see are going to be > substantial. Sad, but no humans broken. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wayne@taildraggersinc.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:50 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: OSH Groundloops > > > > > Fellas, > > It looks like that Pober Junior Ace with the Rotec didn't escape > Oshkosh 2009 unscathed afterall: http://www.paulonline.smugmug.com/gallery/9196500_fTdHx#616717492_2rZPS-X3-LB > > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like a rough week > for a lot of folks. > > Sorry about the misfortune at the Big Show. > > -Wayne Bressler > wayne@taildraggersinc.com > www.taildraggersinc.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:18 AM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH Groundloops No, I don't know, but Mike says it was Sunday, and now Dan has confirmed it. As Dan said, I'm just glad no one was hurt. It's a shame about the airplane, too. A really nice bird. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete. On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:41 AM, "Jeff Gaulden" wrote: > > > > Wayne, > > Do you know when that picture was taken? Which day? > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257265#257265 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:29 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever I gained access to netflicks and decided to try it out last night for the immediate play for computer use. After searching for every decent movie about aviation, I ventured over to the dark side of the topic where any type of crap gets by. Sure enough, I cam across the Iron Eagle series of films and Iron Eagle 4 was available for the immediate viewing. That had to be, by far, the furthest from the truth, belief and comprehension,not to mention most ridicules film about flying ever made. I cant believe anyone could make such a film, worst of which was the fool I was watching it for the sake of trying out the netflicks. What trash. I can find only 2 remotely redeeming qualities, first it had airplanes and second they were classic WWII T6 birds other than that, wow. The film went really far in reaching out to insult anyone that had 2 brain cells, the good thing is it did accomplish that goal. What a bunch of Hollywood crap. Just the humble unbiased opinion of someone looking for a respectable flying movie. All of the any good ones were not available in the immediate play selection. John do not archive PS: Archiving would most certainly be a waste of space, effort and time. I sure hope no one actually paid to see it in the movies. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever From: "K5YAC" Crap! I thought someone was in my camp with TGWP being the worst movie ever, but before I even read the post I saw the author and knew that wouldn't be the case. Ok ,ok... before everyone runs out to grab their ropes and light their torches... it's not the worst movie EVER... at least it's got airplanes in it... but, well... awww geez, no way outta this one. Ha ha! CHAPPIE!! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257308#257308 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever From: "K5YAC" I know, I know... don't disconcert the masses. [Rolling Eyes] -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257309#257309 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:40 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever The worst movie ;ever is "Delta Force" with Chuck Norris. I mean it was bad and then the motorcycle sprouted wings and took off. Steve (now a movie critic) D ----- Original Message ----- From: K5YAC Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever > > Crap! I thought someone was in my camp with TGWP being the worst movie ever, but before I even read the post I saw the author and > knew that wouldn't be the case. Ok ,ok... before everyone runs > out to grab their ropes and light their torches... it's not the > worst movie EVER... at least it's got airplanes in it... but, > well... awww geez, no way outta this one. Ha ha! > > CHAPPIE!! > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257308#257308 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:24 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever Chuck Norris does not need wings to fly. He just looks at the ground and scares gravity away. Do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote: > NGB" > > The worst movie ;ever is "Delta Force" with Chuck Norris. I mean it > was bad and then the motorcycle sprouted wings and took off. > > Steve (now a movie critic) D > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: K5YAC > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:11 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >> >> Crap! I thought someone was in my camp with TGWP being the worst >> movie ever, but before I even read the post I saw the author and >> knew that wouldn't be the case. Ok ,ok... before everyone runs >> out to grab their ropes and light their torches... it's not the >> worst movie EVER... at least it's got airplanes in it... but, >> well... awww geez, no way outta this one. Ha ha! >> >> CHAPPIE!! >> >> -------- >> Mark - working on wings >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257308#257308 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever From: Ryan Mueller Oh John....John, John, John. You should have informed the group of your plans. Friends don't let friends watch Iron Eagle: any of them. The only Iron Eagle that one could ever possibly attempt to stomach is the third one, Aces: Iron Eagle 3, and that's only because it has warbirds prominently featured. I think there is a P-38, a Mustang, a Spitfire, maybe a T-6. It's actually a fun, Walter Mitty-esque sort of concept; taking the old warhorses up and showing modern jet fighters how it's done. Unfortunately it's butchered badly. The movie is so horrible that we, as mere airplane loving mortals, can't possibly withstand the merciless onslaught of poor writing, acting, etc. One would probably either have to be drunk (to dull the pain), or make frequent use of the mute and FF buttons on the remote. Speaking of movies, I wish my copy of 'Barnstorming' would hurry up and get here. :P Have a good day, Ryan do not archive On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM, wrote: > I gained access to netflicks and decided to try it out last night for > the immediate play for computer use. After searching for every decent movie > about aviation, I ventured over to the dark side of the topic where any type > of crap gets by. Sure enough, I cam across the Iron Eagle series of films > and Iron Eagle 4 was available for the immediate viewing. That had to be, by > far, the furthest from the truth, belief and comprehension,not to > mention most ridicules film about flying ever made. > > I cant believe anyone could make such a film, worst of which was the fool I > was watching it for the sake of trying out the netflicks. What trash. I can > find only 2 remotely redeeming qualities, first it had airplanes and second > they were classic WWII T6 birds other than that, wow. > > The film went really far in reaching out to insult anyone that had 2 brain > cells, the good thing is it did accomplish that goal. > > What a bunch of Hollywood crap. > > Just the humble unbiased opinion of someone looking for a respectable > flying movie. All of the any good ones were not available in the immediate > play selection. > > John > > do not archive > > PS: Archiving would most certainly be a waste of space, effort and time. I > sure hope no one actually paid to see it in the movies. > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:41 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever John Hofmann wrote: > Chuck Norris does not need wings to fly. He just looks at the ground and > scares gravity away. nice! you should submit that one to http://chucknorrisfacts.com Remember the Soviet Union? They decided to quit after watching a DeltaForce marathon on Satellite TV. do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:16 PM PST US From: "Tim White" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever Why don't you take your movie reviews elsewhere? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever > > > John Hofmann wrote: >> Chuck Norris does not need wings to fly. He just looks at the ground and >> scares gravity away. > > nice! you should submit that one to http://chucknorrisfacts.com > > Remember the Soviet Union? They decided to quit after watching a > DeltaForce marathon on Satellite TV. > > do not archive > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever From: "K5YAC" Yeah John, just what exactly does this have to do with building or flying Pietenpols anyway? [Laughing] Exhibit A: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amsafetyc Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 495 Location: PA Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: Lets clean it up Lost the intent, what's this have to do with building and or flying a Piet? Thanks Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257336#257336 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:58 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever Absolutely nothing, good one though, thanks for reminding me Mark, now get back to building your wings! I bet you were just waiting to pull that forgotten jewel back up to spring on me, and thanks great response. I am deserving. John ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:59 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever From: "K5YAC" :D -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257344#257344 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:22 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever Well, I don't know about the WORST movie ever, but I know my favorite movie for this summer, and maybe any summer from here on out, is Oh-fficially "Barnstormers": http://www.barnstormingmovie.com/film.htm Probably the worst movie this summer is one of the ones I made at Brodhead when I was too hopped up on coffee!! >:-} ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:07 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... And now that I have your attention... ;-) I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil screen thing is new to me. I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at the time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen location or the sump in particular. The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen it. Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3 components to the plug: http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426 What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big? I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread: http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that through a coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to check for metal. Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks like the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen plug does it? Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, but there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get this done. Any other words of wisdom? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:58 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... Dan, as I recall the oil temp probe is contained in the small nut on the back of the oil screen. You have to loosen that nut before unscrewing the large on, or you will twist and damage the oil temperature probe. Be sure you have a new crush gasket to replace the gasket when you finish - they are not reusable. Aircraft Spruce sells them. AN 900-28, as I recall. Those are about the only words of wisdom I can add to Mike's Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... And now that I have your attention... ;-) I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil screen thing is new to me. I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at the time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen location or the sump in particular. The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen it. Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3 components to the plug: http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426 What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big? I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread: http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that through a coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to check for metal. Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks like the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen plug does it? Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, but there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get this done. Any other words of wisdom? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:06 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... Jack is correct. It is an AN 900-28 and is not re-useable. I bet if you scrounge around the airport you will find someone with a stash. I know I usually have 8 or 10 on hand to give to the "hangar door riff- raff." Don't forget the safety wire! -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > > > Dan, as I recall the oil temp probe is contained in the small nut on > the > back of the oil screen. You have to loosen that nut before > unscrewing the > large on, or you will twist and damage the oil temperature probe. > > Be sure you have a new crush gasket to replace the gasket when you > finish - > they are not reusable. Aircraft Spruce sells them. AN 900-28, as I > recall. > > Those are about the only words of wisdom I can add to Mike's > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Yocum > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... > > > And now that I have your attention... > > ;-) > > I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so > I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil > screen > thing is new to me. > > I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at > the > time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen > location or the sump in particular. > > The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the > rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen > it. > Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3 > components to the plug: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426 > > What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big? > > I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread: > http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his > instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that > through a > coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to > check > for metal. > > Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks > like > the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen > plug > does it? > > Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, > but > there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get > this done. > > Any other words of wisdom? > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:12 PM PST US From: "mksoucy@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... Sounds pretty rgt. I usually reuse the gasket couple times but better to change. Screen nut should be safety wired. Also like exxon elite oil very much clean screen with avgas blow clean Mike Sent from my iPod On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:10 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: Dan, as I recall the oil temp probe is contained in the small nut on the back of the oil screen. You have to loosen that nut before unscrewing the large on, or you will twist and damage the oil temperature probe. Be sure you have a new crush gasket to replace the gasket when you finish - they are not reusable. Aircraft Spruce sells them. AN 900-28, as I recall. Those are about the only words of wisdom I can add to Mike's Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... And now that I have your attention... ;-) I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil screen thing is new to me. I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at the time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen location or the sump in particular. The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen it. Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3 components to the plug: http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426 What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big? I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread: http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that through a coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to check for metal. Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks like the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen plug does it? Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, but there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get this done. Any other words of wisdom? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... From: Ryan Mueller That sounds right from what I can recall. The AN 900-28 is for the screen to accessory case, but then don't you also need the gasket for the probe to screen connection...AN 900-10? I think...been a little while since I had to do an oil change on an A-65. Dan, we're going to be out this weekend; if you wanted to wait until then we can coordinate and come out and give you a hand. I may have some safety wire left in my box, duckbill pliers to twist with, solvent, etc. I can put together an assortment of tools to bring in my portable box if you need anything. However I'm fresh out of AN washers, unfortunately. :P Ryan On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Dan, as I recall the oil temp probe is contained in the small nut on the > back of the oil screen. You have to loosen that nut before unscrewing the > large on, or you will twist and damage the oil temperature probe. > > Be sure you have a new crush gasket to replace the gasket when you finish - > they are not reusable. Aircraft Spruce sells them. AN 900-28, as I > recall. > > Those are about the only words of wisdom I can add to Mike's > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:48 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... > > > And now that I have your attention... > > ;-) > > I've changed the oil on almost every car or truck I've ever owned, so > I'm well acquainted with the overall process, but this whole oil screen > thing is new to me. > > I've been up close and personal with an A65 apart on a bench, but at the > time I was looking at other things and not looking at the screen > location or the sump in particular. > > The A65 Overhaul Manual shows that the oil screen plug/nut is at the > rear of the engine and that I need a 1"1/8 or 1"1/4 wrench to loosen it. > Looking at the following picture, it looks like there are 2 or 3 > components to the plug: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/TresClements/PietenpolTrip#5254281804407107426 > > What comes off first? The little nut(s) or the big? > > I read Mike Cuy's comments on how to clean the screen in this thread: > http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=10662 so I'll follow his > instructions on washing it in a little gasoline, running that through a > coffee filter, and running a magnet over the screen and filter to check > for metal. > > Is there anything I need to be careful of? In the manual, it looks like > the oil temp probe is close by... it doesn't go through the screen plug > does it? > > Hopefully, my A&P friend will be around to help me do the first one, but > there's a chance he might be out-of-town tomorrow, when I want to get > this done. > > Any other words of wisdom? > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... From: Ryan Mueller Dan, If I am not mistaken, Dupage Airport would be relatively close to you. If you have trouble getting the gaskets locally you may try giving Mukenschnabel a call; I believe they do engine maintenance on all sorts of general aviation aircraft, so they may have them. Phone number is: 630-584-7570. Ryan (Olson seems pretty quiet, so just in case you can't find a hangar bum that has any) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:25 PM, John Hofmann wrote: > Jack is correct. It is an AN 900-28 and is not re-useable. I bet if you > scrounge around the airport you will find someone with a stash. I know I > usually have 8 or 10 on hand to give to the "hangar door riff-raff." Don't > forget the safety wire! > -john- > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 > Madison, WI 53718 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever From: "TulsaFlyer" [quote="Amsafetyc"]Absolutely nothing, good one though, thanks for reminding me Mark, now get back to building your wings! I bet you were just waiting to pull that forgotten jewel back up to spring on me, and thanks great response. I am deserving. John > [b] In his hangar, Mark has a collection of no less than 14 bits he has chomped through just waiting for this moment!! :P Jody Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257373#257373 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:05 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever I saw a little of one that was worse over the weekend. Flipping channels =2C I think I found it on Bravo or something - it was about a unit in WWII which was all women (that's the only good part) flying Zeros=2C Hellcats an d the like and fighting off this massive number of dinasours on some island . Great filmmaking - not From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever I gained access to netflicks and decided to try it out last night for the immediate play for computer use. After searching for every decent movie about aviation=2C I ventured over to the dark side of the topic where any type of crap gets by. Sure enough=2C I cam across the Iron Eagle series of films and Iron Eagle 4 was available for the immediate viewing. That had to be=2C by far=2C the furthest from the truth=2C belief and comprehension=2Cnot to mention most ridicules film about flying ever made. I cant believe anyone could make such a film=2C worst of which was the fool I was watching it for the sake of trying out the netflicks. What trash. I can find only 2 remotely redeeming qualities=2C first it had airplanes and second th ey were classic WWII T6 birds other than that=2C wow. The film went really far in reaching out to insult anyone that had 2 brain cells=2C the good thing is it did accomplish that goal. What a bunch of Hollywood crap. Just the humble unbiased opinion of someone looking for a respectable flying movie. All of the any good ones were not available in the immediate play selection. John do not archive PS: Archiving would most certainly be a waste of space=2C effort and time. I sure hope no one actually paid to see it in the movies. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... From: helspersew@aol.com The set-up is identical in my Cont. C-145 in my Aeronca Sedan. Yes, the screen is safety wired, but I always thought it very curious that the nut that holds the oil temp. probe in there is not. If that got loose/fell out you would just as easily drain all the oil from the engine pronto. And another thing along those lines, I have many straight-thread fuel line connections that rely only on torque to hold them in too. If any one of them got loose it would not make for a good day. Any thoughts on this subject? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ? ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever From: amsafetyc@aol.com As I have heard it said on more than one occasion. Timing is everything John ------Original Message------ From: TulsaFlyer Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: Aug 12, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: worst movie ever [quote="Amsafetyc"]Absolutely nothing, good one though, thanks for reminding me Mark, now get back to building your wings! I bet you were just waiting to pull that forgotten jewel back up to spring on me, and thanks great response. I am deserving. John > [b] In his hangar, Mark has a collection of no less than 14 bits he has chomped through just waiting for this moment!! :P Jody Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257373#257373 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:55 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin Actually, I'm not. I've changed the oil on 41CC several times now. What I have is a simple siphon pump that I bought at AutoZone, two hoses, one goes down the filler neck into the oil sump and I manually suck out the old oil into a 5 gal. transport container that I take to the oil recycler. MUCH easier than unscrewing the oil sump drain plug and then safety wiring it again! The square head on your oil screen cover is probably buggered up pretty well; all of these old engines have had the hardware buggered up from years of working on them. I unscrewed mine and took it to a machinist friend, had him clean up the flats and corners as best he could, and made me a custom square-head socket for my 3/8" drive ratchet so I could readily remove it without resorting to a crescent wrench or open-end wrench. Yes, the oil temp probe needs to come out first, then the cap is removed, then you withdraw the screen and follow Mikee's advice by cleaning it in gasoline or solvent and then running the resulting liquid through a coffee filter to get a look at your engine's internal health. Yes, you should replace the soft copper crush washer that goes in there but you can also re-use them by heating them to soften them back up. Or something. I use mine a time or two, then replace; send the AC43-13 police to get me ;o) My cover has a hole drilled across the flats to allow for safety wiring it once it's back in place, but it takes more force to take that sucker off than it looks like, and I think the safety wire is more for looks than anything else. However, you will impress all your friends with the safety wire everywhere. And no, it did not make any sense to me why the oil screen cover would be safety wired but the oil temp sensor, also screwed in, would not have any on it. Except that you'd have to wind up the capillary pretty tight before the sensor would completely back out. The surprise to me was how black the oil can get in these engines in just 20-30 flight hours. With no oil filter or cooler, I guess they are simple engines but that oil is the lifeblood and the screen does very little more than filter out the bowling balls, large chunks, and loose hardware. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:09 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin can't heat the AN 900 to reuse it, it has asbestos inside it. I think you are thinking about annealing copper plug gaskets to reuse them. the AN 900s can be reused a time or two, then time to replace. Technically, you should replace every time. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Pietenpol List Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin > Actually, I'm not. I've changed the oil on 41CC several times now. What I have is a simple siphon pump that I bought at AutoZone, two hoses, one goes down the filler neck into the oil sump and I manually suck out the old oil into a 5 gal. transport container that I take to the oil recycler. MUCH easier than unscrewing the oil sump drain plug and then safety wiring it again! The square head on your oil screen cover is probably buggered up pretty well; all of these old engines have had the hardware buggered up from years of working on them. I unscrewed mine and took it to a machinist friend, had him clean up the flats and corners as best he could, and made me a custom square-head socket for my 3/8" drive ratchet so I could readily remove it without resorting to a crescent wrench or open-end wrench. Yes, the oil temp probe needs to come out first, then the cap is removed, then you withdraw the screen and follow Mikee's advice by cleaning it in gasoline or solvent and then running the resulting liquid through a coffee filter to get a look at your engine's internal health. Yes, you should replace the soft copper crush washer that goes in there but you can also re-use them by heating them to soften them back up. Or something. I use mine a time or two, then replace; send the AC43-13 police to get me ;o) My cover has a hole drilled across the flats to allow for safety wiring it once it's back in place, but it takes more force to take that sucker off than it looks like, and I think the safety wire is more for looks than anything else. However, you will impress all your friends with the safety wire everywhere. And no, it did not make any sense to me why the oil screen cover would be safety wired but the oil temp sensor, also screwed in, would not have any on it. Except that you'd have to wind up the capillary pretty tight before the sensor would completely back out. The surprise to me was how black the oil can get in these engines in just 20-30 flight hours. With no oil filter or cooler, I guess they are simple engines but that oil is the lifeblood and the screen does very little more than filter out the bowling balls, large chunks, and loose hardware. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever From: Andrew M Eldredge There is hope for netflix. They have 12 o'clock high for instant view. Watch it, love it. Andrew On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:06 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: > I saw a little of one that was worse over the weekend. Flipping channels, > I think I found it on Bravo or something - it was about a unit in WWII which > was all women (that's the only good part) flying Zeros, Hellcats and the > like and fighting off this massive number of dinasours on some island. > Great filmmaking - not > > ------------------------------ > From: AMsafetyC@aol.com > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:47:41 -0400 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > I gained access to netflicks and decided to try it out last night for > the immediate play for computer use. After searching for every decent movie > about aviation, I ventured over to the dark side of the topic where any type > of crap gets by. Sure enough, I cam across the Iron Eagle series of films > and Iron Eagle 4 was available for the immediate viewing. That had to be, by > far, the furthest from the truth, belief and comprehension,not to > mention most ridicules film about flying ever made. > > I cant believe anyone could make such a film, worst of which was the fool I > was watching it for the sake of trying out the netflicks. What trash. I can > find only 2 remotely redeeming qualities, first it had airplanes and second > they were classic WWII T6 birds other than that, wow. > > The film went really far in reaching out to insult anyone that had 2 brain > cells, the good thing is it did accomplish that goal. > > What a bunch of Hollywood crap. > > Just the humble unbiased opinion of someone looking for a respectable > flying movie. All of the any good ones were not available in the immediate > play selection. > > John > > do not archive > > PS: Archiving would most certainly be a waste of space, effort and time. I > sure hope no one actually paid to see it in the movies. > > ------------------------------ > > *<="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronicshref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con================ > > * > > * > > * > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry From: "skybachs" I have Piet #3 sporting a front door and it looks like we're going with the bathtub cockpit to boot. One big cockpit, controls in the back only, folding front passenger seat, instruments up front. Like an E2 Cub sorta. I have a picture of one done like this in the 50's and it looks too cool not to try. She'll have the Corvair up front with a custom metal cowl. The only question I have is how much stability am I losing by removing the wall between the cockpits and should I compensate for it? Rob -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257435#257435 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Any Piets/Projects in the Freeport IL area? From: "skybachs" I'm in Burlington (50 east of Brodhead and 30ish miles from Poplar Grove). Come on up to the Miracle Aircraft Company and push some Piet parts around. Rob 262-758-0894 -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257436#257436 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry From: Ryan Mueller Rob, A double cockpit door would remove a tremendous amount of strength from aircraft. If you built from steel tubing, you might have a chance. In which case you might as well weld up an E-2 fuse. I love the E-2, and have had the chance to wrench on one. Pure simplicity from the genius that is C.G. Taylor. :P Ryan do not archive On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:19 AM, skybachs wrote: > > I have Piet #3 sporting a front door and it looks like we're going with the > bathtub cockpit to boot. One big cockpit, controls in the back only, folding > front passenger seat, instruments up front. > > Like an E2 Cub sorta. I have a picture of one done like this in the 50's > and it looks too cool not to try. She'll have the Corvair up front with a > custom metal cowl. > > The only question I have is how much stability am I losing by removing the > wall between the cockpits and should I compensate for it? > > Rob > > -------- > NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! > NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream > NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done > NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257435#257435 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.