---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/13/09: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:45 AM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin (mksoucy@yahoo.com) 2. 04:06 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (gcardinal) 3. 04:21 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:22 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Jack Phillips) 5. 04:41 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Gary Boothe) 6. 05:19 AM - front seat back serves as a fuselage bulkhead (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 05:23 AM - Greg Cardinal giving ladies Pietenpol flights (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 8. 05:40 AM - passenger criteria (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 9. 05:53 AM - Re: passenger criteria (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 06:22 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Pieti Lowell) 11. 06:42 AM - pFemale passengers (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 06:44 AM - Landing gear strut design (Pieti Lowell) 13. 07:22 AM - Re: pFemale passengers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 14. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Owen Davies) 15. 08:43 AM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin (Dan Yocum) 16. 09:13 AM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... (Ray Krause) 17. 10:16 AM - radio location-- cont'd-- and GPS location -- new -- center wing mount? (Tim Willis) 18. 10:51 AM - Re: passenger criteria (Gary Boothe) 19. 11:22 AM - Re: radio location-- cont'd-- and GPS location -- new -- center wing mount? (Jeff Boatright) 20. 12:09 PM - oil plug tool (Oscar Zuniga) 21. 12:40 PM - Continental Engines (Gene & Tammy) 22. 01:18 PM - Harry Fenton on Continental Engines (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 23. 01:36 PM - Re: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines (Ryan Mueller) 24. 02:19 PM - Re: I'm an A65 oil change virgin (Jack Phillips) 25. 02:37 PM - Under wing float gauges (Jerry Dotson) 26. 04:27 PM - Re: Under wing float gauges (Gary Boothe) 27. 05:20 PM - Re: front cockpit entry (skybachs) 28. 05:29 PM - Re: front seat back serves as a fuselage bulkhead (skybachs) 29. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis) 30. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Magneto and prop for Model A (John Smoyer) 31. 06:51 PM - Re: Under wing float gauges (Jerry Dotson) 32. 06:54 PM - Re: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines (Gene & Tammy) 33. 07:43 PM - Re: front cockpit entry (skybachs) 34. 11:16 PM - Re: Under wing float gauges (mksoucy@yahoo.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:48 AM PST US From: "mksoucy@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin Better to drain get heavies out of sump. Get a quick drain plug with short hose attached works xcellent. Go Fly, return push plug use old milk jug on stand quick & clean Sent from my iPod On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: Actually, I'm not. I've changed the oil on 41CC several times now. What I have is a simple siphon pump that I bought at AutoZone, two hoses, one goes down the filler neck into the oil sump and I manually suck out the old oil into a 5 gal. transport container that I take to the oil recycler. MUCH easier than unscrewing the oil sump drain plug and then safety wiring it again! The square head on your oil screen cover is probably buggered up pretty well; all of these old engines have had the hardware buggered up from years of working on them. I unscrewed mine and took it to a machinist friend, had him clean up the flats and corners as best he could, and made me a custom square-head socket for my 3/8" drive ratchet so I could readily remove it without resorting to a crescent wrench or open-end wrench. Yes, the oil temp probe needs to come out first, then the cap is removed, then you withdraw the screen and follow Mikee's advice by cleaning it in gasoline or solvent and then running the resulting liquid through a coffee filter to get a look at your engine's internal health. Yes, you should replace the soft copper crush washer that goes in there but you can also re-use them by heating them to soften them back up. Or something. I use mine a time or two, then replace; send the AC43-13 police to get me ;o) My cover has a hole drilled across the flats to allow for safety wiring it once it's back in place, but it takes more force to take that sucker off than it looks like, and I think the safety wire is more for looks than anything else. However, you will impress all your friends with the safety wire everywhere. And no, it did not make any sense to me why the oil screen cover would be safety wired but the oil temp sensor, also screwed in, would not have any on it. Except that you'd have to wind up the capillary pretty tight before the sensor would completely back out. The surprise to me was how black the oil can get in these engines in just 20-30 flight hours. With no oil filter or cooler, I guess they are simple engines but that oil is the lifeblood and the screen does very little more than filter out the bowling balls, large chunks, and loose hardware. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:01 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever Turn off your TV, cancel Netflix, quit watching bad movies and get out to the workshop and get your aeroplanes finished. Attached are pictures taken this past Monday when I gave a bunch of kids rides. Everyone had a great time...... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever I gained access to netflicks and decided to try it out last night for the immediate play for computer use. After searching for every decent movie about aviation, I ventured over to the dark side of the topic where any type of crap gets by. Sure enough, I cam across the Iron Eagle series of films and Iron Eagle 4 was available for the immediate viewing. That had to be, by far, the furthest from the truth, belief and comprehension,not to mention most ridicules film about flying ever made. I cant believe anyone could make such a film, worst of which was the fool I was watching it for the sake of trying out the netflicks. What trash. I can find only 2 remotely redeeming qualities, first it had airplanes and second they were classic WWII T6 birds other than that, wow. The film went really far in reaching out to insult anyone that had 2 brain cells, the good thing is it did accomplish that goal. What a bunch of Hollywood crap. Just the humble unbiased opinion of someone looking for a respectable flying movie. All of the any good ones were not available in the immediate play selection. John do not archive PS: Archiving would most certainly be a waste of space, effort and time. I sure hope no one actually paid to see it in the movies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever From: helspersew@aol.com Yowza!!? ?If I knew I would have a line-up of passengers like that I would work at lightning speed!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:00 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever Turn off your TV, cancel Netflix, quit watching bad movies and get out to the workshop and get your aeroplanes finished. ? Attached are pictures taken this past Monday when I gave a bunch of kids rides. Everyone had a great time...... ? Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever I gained access to netflicks? and decided to try it out last night for the immediate play for computer use. After searching for every decent movie about aviation, I ventured over to the dark side of?the topic where any type of crap gets by. Sure enough, I cam across the Iron Eagle series of films and Iron Eagle 4 was available for the immediate viewing. That had to be, by far, the furthest from the truth, belief and comprehension,not to mention?most ridicules film about flying ever made. ? I cant believe anyone could make such a film, worst of which was the fool I was watching it for the sake of trying out the netflicks. What trash. I can find only 2 remotely redeeming qualities, first it had airplanes and second they were classic?WWII T6 birds other than that, wow. ? The film went really far?in reaching out to insult anyone that had 2 brain cells, the good thing is it did accomplish that goal.?? ? What a bunch of Hollywood crap. ? Just the humble unbiased opinion of someone looking for?a respectable flying movie.?All of the any good ones were not available in the immediate play selection. ? John ? do not archive ? PS: Archiving? would most certainly be a waste?of space, effort and time. I sure hope no one actually paid to see it in the movies.?? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:50 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever Greg, It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passengers, in that they must all be: 1) Female 2) Young 3) Pretty Glad they all had a good time Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever Turn off your TV, cancel Netflix, quit watching bad movies and get out to the workshop and get your aeroplanes finished. Attached are pictures taken this past Monday when I gave a bunch of kids rides. Everyone had a great time...... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever I gained access to netflicks and decided to try it out last night for the immediate play for computer use. After searching for every decent movie about aviation, I ventured over to the dark side of the topic where any type of crap gets by. Sure enough, I cam across the Iron Eagle series of films and Iron Eagle 4 was available for the immediate viewing. That had to be, by far, the furthest from the truth, belief and comprehension,not to mention most ridicules film about flying ever made. I cant believe anyone could make such a film, worst of which was the fool I was watching it for the sake of trying out the netflicks. What trash. I can find only 2 remotely redeeming qualities, first it had airplanes and second they were classic WWII T6 birds other than that, wow. The film went really far in reaching out to insult anyone that had 2 brain cells, the good thing is it did accomplish that goal. What a bunch of Hollywood crap. Just the humble unbiased opinion of someone looking for a respectable flying movie. All of the any good ones were not available in the immediate play selection. John do not archive PS: Archiving would most certainly be a waste of space, effort and time. I sure hope no one actually paid to see it in the movies. _____ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:45 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever Greg, Picture proof that you are The Man! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever Turn off your TV, cancel Netflix, quit watching bad movies and get out to the workshop and get your aeroplanes finished. Attached are pictures taken this past Monday when I gave a bunch of kids rides. Everyone had a great time...... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: worst movie ever I gained access to netflicks and decided to try it out last night for the immediate play for computer use. After searching for every decent movie about aviation, I ventured over to the dark side of the topic where any type of crap gets by. Sure enough, I cam across the Iron Eagle series of films and Iron Eagle 4 was available for the immediate viewing. That had to be, by far, the furthest from the truth, belief and comprehension,not to mention most ridicules film about flying ever made. I cant believe anyone could make such a film, worst of which was the fool I was watching it for the sake of trying out the netflicks. What trash. I can find only 2 remotely redeeming qualities, first it had airplanes and second they were classic WWII T6 birds other than that, wow. The film went really far in reaching out to insult anyone that had 2 brain cells, the good thing is it did accomplish that goal. What a bunch of Hollywood crap. Just the humble unbiased opinion of someone looking for a respectable flying movie. All of the any good ones were not available in the immediate play selection. John do not archive PS: Archiving would most certainly be a waste of space, effort and time. I sure hope no one actually paid to see it in the movies. _____ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:46 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: front seat back serves as a fuselage bulkhead Rob-- I would at least reinforce the perimeter of your front seat area with say something like 1/8" in plywood x 2" in an inverted U shape place perpendicular to the sides and along the bottom front edge of the pilot's instrument panel just for peace of mind--especially with the longeron having been cut for your door installation. Just my gut feeling, no design or engineering analysis to substantiate though. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:30 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal giving ladies Pietenpol flights See-the Pietenpol IS a chick magnet ! Greg, you dog you. Great photo s-thank you for sharing. Looks like they were having a blast getting rides in your Piet. That's what it is all abo ut. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:13 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passenge rs, in that they must all be: 1) Female 2) Young 3) Pretty There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those rules- despite my best efforts in trying to be self-disciplined. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:39 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria Think about all those pretty girls you'd be missing, I'd try to cut down ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever From: "Pieti Lowell" Right down my ally, rides anyone ? Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257461#257461 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: pFemale passengers From: helspersew@aol.com It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passengers, in that they must all be: ? 1)?????? Female 2)?????? Young 3)?????? Pretty Order of this list is not an implication that one is more important than the others. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear strut design From: "Pieti Lowell" I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position , and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that folded,and dropped the right wing and prop, The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will be back in the air soon. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:43 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: pFemale passengers Order of this list is not an implication that one is more important than the others. Exactly right Dan-- they are all equally important ! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:13 AM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry Ryan Mueller wrote: > A double cockpit door would remove a tremendous amount of strength > from aircraft. If you built from steel tubing, you might have a > chance. In which case you might as well weld up an E-2 fuse. I love > the E-2, and have had the chance to wrench on one. Pure simplicity > from the genius that is C.G. Taylor. :P So where do I get plans for an E-2? Owen ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:08 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin Everyone, Thanks for the feedback. I got a local source for the AN900-28 and AN900-10 gaskets, Aero In Stock in West Chicago (http://www.aeroinstock.com). The gaskets now have new numbers: MS35769-48 and MSMS35769-11, respectively (maybe he said 'NS'...). My A&P friend hasn't replaced his gaskets in 20+ oil changes on his T-Craft. Your mileage may vary. Dan - as for safety wire vs. no safety wire on the oil plug: soft metals, like brass, where the threads "move" every time you tighten them down against a harder metal, like steel or Al, probably don't _require_ the safety wire since it's seated somewhat tightly. Of course, you don't want to over tighten for obvious reasons. From the picture, the square plug looks like it's in pretty good condition - someone used the right tool when they loosened and tightened it in the past. Thanks again, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:47 AM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... My oil temp probe nut is safety wired, as well as the oil screen "nut". I can attest to this because both are a real problem (bitch) to safety wire! Maybe the temp probe was drilled for safety wire by a previous owner, don't know. I safety wire both to the tach sensor just to the right side (as viewed from the pilot seat) of the screen location. Also note that the screen will not come out of the "nut" except with great force and possible damage. At least that is the case with an older engine; maybe encrusted with carbon and metal engine parts! Ray Krause Former J-3 driver, current Waiex player. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin... The set-up is identical in my Cont. C-145 in my Aeronca Sedan. Yes, the screen is safety wired, but I always thought it very curious that the nut that holds the oil temp. probe in there is not. If that got loose/fell out you would just as easily drain all the oil from the engine pronto. And another thing along those lines, I have many straight-thread fuel line connections that rely only on torque to hold them in too. If any one of them got loose it would not make for a good day. Any thoughts on this subject? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:53 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: radio location-- cont'd-- and GPS location -- new -- center wing mount? We had some good discussion a couple of days ago about what types of radios and where mounted. Some good pix, too. It seems like having a radio mounted low, but at an upwards angle, as at least two recent pix showed, is a good idea, IMO. Two questions: First how about the same on gps? What do you have-- I can't imagine popping for the top-of-the-line Garmin, so:a) what do you like? b) Where do you have it mounted? Second, I am fooling around right now with my center wing, and thinking of mounting space there. I recall some pix where folks had put some electronic components in the lower part of the middle wing, so that the pilot can look up to see them. I like the idea of this to a degree, in that the display will be "in the shade" so that it might be more visible, and glare of sunlight off the screen itself is unlikely to be a factor. I don't know if I like the idea of punching keys over my head or not, as I have no experience with that. Maybe there is not a lot of key input in normal flight? I seem to recall that someone had a transponder there, or a more traditional Com radio. What does anyone have mounted in this space, and what comments do any of you have about this mounting location? [I am a long way from buying radios. Right now, I don't want to glue up or box in some space for possible future components in the center wing. I'll wait for feedback on that.] Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:46 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passengers, in that they must all be: 1) Female 2) Young 3) Pretty There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those rules-despite my best efforts in trying to be self-disciplined. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:34 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: radio location-- cont'd-- and GPS location -- new -- center wing mount? Tim, You mentioned that you are a long way from buying radios, so the input from the group about GPS units should be tempered with the knowledge that things can change rapidly in the field. Having said that, I think there are some things that don't change quickly. Customer service is one of those. I have a Lowrance 1000 that has some problems. I received poor customer service on this. My hangarmate has also had problems with them. I think that the unit itself is great, but again, how good or bad a black box is today may have little to do with how that company's black box is at the time you're ready to buy. How the company treats customers is more longterm. I now have an Anywhere Map ATC. I have found customer service to be top-notch. The unit itself, though, is challenging to use well. It's absolutely stuffed with neat features and information, but not all that easy to use. I think for what you may use your Piet for, a GPS isn't that important unless you fly near complicated airspace (as I do). If that is the case, then the capability of the unit to clearly show aviation-specific demarcations (e.g., Class B or C airspace, etc.) and obstructions is paramount. Everything else is secondary (other than the basic idea of "where am I" and "where am I going"?). HTH, Jeff ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:34 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: oil plug tool Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil plug off with a standard ratchet wrench: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:35 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Engines For almost everything you will ever want/need to know about your small continental engine I highly recommend Harry Fenton's "Hints and tip for small Continental engines." There is so much bad information put out about the A 65 and others, that as far as I'm concerned, it's a must read. And maybe best of all....IT'S FREE! (and you can even ask him question, but it may take him a little while to answer as he travels a lot). You can find him at harry@bowerflybaby.com The flybaby is a great site to check out and follow as well, as it's a wooden airplane, much like ours. I hope you find it useful Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:42 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines I second the motion and know that Jack Phillips has high regards for Harry as well. Both Jack and I have had Harry generously respond to Continental questions via e-mail and were quite grate ful for his sharing of knowledge. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Engines For almost everything you will ever want/need to know about your small cont inental engine I highly recommend Harry Fenton's "Hints and tip for small C ontinental engines." There is so much bad information put out about the A 65 and others, that as far as I'm concerned, it's a must read. And maybe b est of all....IT'S FREE! (and you can even ask him question, but it may ta ke him a little while to answer as he travels a lot). You can find him at harry@bowerflybaby.com The flybaby is a great site to check out and follow as well, as it's a wooden airplane, much like ours. I hope you find it useful Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines From: Ryan Mueller A bit of an addition to Gene's post.....Gene listed Harry's email address; here is the link to the text he referred to: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm Ryan On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > I second the motion and know that Jack Phillips has high regards for > Harry as well. Both Jack and I have had Harry > > generously respond to Continental questions via e-mail and were quite > grateful for his sharing of knowledge. > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene & Tammy > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:40 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Continental Engines > > > For almost everything you will ever want/need to know about your small > continental engine I highly recommend Harry Fenton's "Hints and tip for > small Continental engines." There is so much bad information put out about > the A 65 and others, that as far as I'm concerned, it's a must read. And > maybe best of all....IT'S FREE! (and you can even ask him question, but it > may take him a little while to answer as he travels a lot). You can find > him at harry@bowerflybaby.com The flybaby is a great site to check out > and follow as well, as it's a wooden airplane, much like ours. > > I hope you find it useful > > Gene N502R > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:49 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin MS stands for Military Specification. AN is "Army-Navy". Many of the newer MS parts have an earlier AN specification for the same part. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I'm an A65 oil change virgin Everyone, Thanks for the feedback. I got a local source for the AN900-28 and AN900-10 gaskets, Aero In Stock in West Chicago (http://www.aeroinstock.com). The gaskets now have new numbers: MS35769-48 and MSMS35769-11, respectively (maybe he said 'NS'...). My A&P friend hasn't replaced his gaskets in 20+ oil changes on his T-Craft. Your mileage may vary. Dan - as for safety wire vs. no safety wire on the oil plug: soft metals, like brass, where the threads "move" every time you tighten them down against a harder metal, like steel or Al, probably don't _require_ the safety wire since it's seated somewhat tightly. Of course, you don't want to over tighten for obvious reasons. From the picture, the square plug looks like it's in pretty good condition - someone used the right tool when they loosened and tightened it in the past. Thanks again, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Under wing float gauges From: "Jerry Dotson" Has any one made their own float gauge? The one that hangs below the wing...clear tube. I am thinking about it. I just finished building the last rib....waiting on Aircraft Spruce. How long does it normally take to get a wood package? I still have work to do....sanding,sanding and sanding ribs. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257549#257549 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:04 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Under wing float gauges Jerry, Attached are the instructions that Steve Eldridge made available, using everyday stuff. I haven't built the gauge, yet, but even I could understand this one! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Under wing float gauges Has any one made their own float gauge? The one that hangs below the wing...clear tube. I am thinking about it. I just finished building the last rib....waiting on Aircraft Spruce. How long does it normally take to get a wood package? I still have work to do....sanding,sanding and sanding ribs. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257549#257549 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry From: "skybachs" NOt a double door, but a single door on the front left. Now imagine the bathtub cockpit...no divider in between front and rear pits. I was thinking of closing the front door area to get the strength back and just go with the bathtub design. With that configuration, I"m only losing the brace in between the cockpits. If it really bugged me, I could put a steel bar that is removable for entry and egress. Still kicking it around, Rob -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257585#257585 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front seat back serves as a fuselage bulkhead From: "skybachs" Or I could just glue a bathtub in there... I like your idea: somehow I have to translate the torsional stress from side to side. Re-enforcing the sides and bottom of the fuse in a U shape at the rear crossbrace would probably do it...sorta like a gunnel in a canoe. -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257587#257587 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:34 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry Rob, I can see what you are doing with the door but don't understand "the bathtub." What do you gain by losing a divider? What is your objective, if you are planning a seat there anyway? Is it foot room, shin room, wiggle room, what-- with the seat folded up or removed? If both the divider and the seat are gone, won't you still have to place your rudder pedals or rudder bar to situate your feet to fit on both sides of the seat when it is in place? What are you after? What am I missing? Moreover, if the seat folds up when not in use, where does it fold to? Does it fold forward? If it does, how does that placement not interfere with dual controls? When the seat is in place for a passenger, what makes up the back of the seat for the passenger? Is that part stationary, or does it fold, too? If it is stationary, you almost have a divider, in fact. I must have missed the earliest part of this string. I'm not trying to second-guess you, I just don't understand the goal. If your objective is to get more foot or shin room, you can simply make bigger cutouts in the ply sheet and braces. I have done that, for I had to. Starting from scratch, you might fab and use curved diagonal bracings for more shin room, for instance. In any event, as Mike Cuy states, if you head in the bathtub direction, you will need at least some orthogonal stiffeners in the area where the seatback and diagnoals would have been. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: skybachs >Sent: Aug 13, 2009 7:20 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry > > >NOt a double door, but a single door on the front left. > >Now imagine the bathtub cockpit...no divider in between front and rear pits. > >I was thinking of closing the front door area to get the strength back and just go with the bathtub design. With that configuration, I"m only losing the brace in between the cockpits. > >If it really bugged me, I could put a steel bar that is removable for entry and egress. > >Still kicking it around, > >Rob > >-------- >NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! >NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream >NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done >NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257585#257585 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:51 PM PST US From: John Smoyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto and prop for Model A Will, Thanks very much for your reply. It's the only one I saw, but it's very helpful. I'll be checking with Cloudcars when I get back to work next week. I'll check around some local shops for Mag info. Thanks, John Smoyer ________________________________ From: Will42 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:16:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto and prop for Model A J. Anderson of Cloudcars propellers (325-356-2810) can recommend a prop and build it too and he will work with you to find what you want/need. As for the magneto choice; there are lots of good mags out there and priced right if you look around (ebay always has lots of them listed). A four cylinder tractor mag with the correct rotation is what you need; also whether flange mount or base mount depending on your set-up. I would recommend a side drive rather than the end mount; it's much easier to get to if service is needed. You might want to talk to a magneto shop to see what mags still have service parts available if needed. I haven't tried this but I believe a nice side drive can be fashioned from a governor drive set-up. Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256775#256775 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Under wing float gauges From: "Jerry Dotson" Thanks Gary. I believe even I can do that. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257600#257600 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:03 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines Thanks Ryan, that is the one I had wanted to post. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harry Fenton on Continental Engines A bit of an addition to Gene's post.....Gene listed Harry's email address; here is the link to the text he referred to: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm Ryan On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: I second the motion and know that Jack Phillips has high regards for Harry as well. Both Jack and I have had Harry generously respond to Continental questions via e-mail and were quite grateful for his sharing of knowledge. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:40 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Engines For almost everything you will ever want/need to know about your small continental engine I highly recommend Harry Fenton's "Hints and tip for small Continental engines." There is so much bad information put out about the A 65 and others, that as far as I'm concerned, it's a must read. And maybe best of all....IT'S FREE! (and you can even ask him question, but it may take him a little while to answer as he travels a lot). You can find him at harry@bowerflybaby.com The flybaby is a great site to check out and follow as well, as it's a wooden airplane, much like ours. I hope you find it useful Gene N502R http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/13/09 06:11:00 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry From: "skybachs" Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse or flat to the floor). The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view. This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max? -------- NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:54 PM PST US From: "mksoucy@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Under wing float gauges Thanks for posting has definite potential on future project Mike Sent from my iPod On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:26 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: Jerry, Attached are the instructions that Steve Eldridge made available, using everyday stuff. I haven't built the gauge, yet, but even I could understand this one! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Under wing float gauges Has any one made their own float gauge? The one that hangs below the wing...clear tube. I am thinking about it. I just finished building the last rib....waiting on Aircraft Spruce. How long does it normally take to get a wood package? I still have work to do....sanding,sanding and sanding ribs. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257549#257549 __________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.