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1. 04:26 AM - Re: passenger criteria (gcardinal)
2. 07:17 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Under wing float gauges (K5YAC)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (TulsaFlyer)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt)
6. 09:49 AM - 612 airfoil advantages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 10:20 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Tim Willis)
12. 11:37 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Dan Yocum)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (Dan Yocum)
14. 12:09 PM - Re: oil plug tool (Dan Yocum)
15. 12:20 PM - what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 12:21 PM - beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 06:17 PM - A question for Larry Williams (John Fay)
18. 06:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mark Roberts)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (amsafetyc@aol.com)
20. 07:43 PM - Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti Lowell)
21. 09:41 PM - Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Bill Princell)
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Subject: | Re: passenger criteria |
Yes, sometimes I take passengers who are "less photogenic" but I'll
spare everyone the pictures........
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of
me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting
passengers, in that they must all be:
1) Female
2) Young
3) Pretty
There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those
rules-despite my best efforts in trying
to be self-disciplined.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me off Piet line.
Thanks
Corky
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Subject: | Re: Under wing float gauges |
Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our build.
You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the sanding,
sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two
coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to hang
mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ...
more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking
like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time.
As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in early
July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to deliver
anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It
didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other orders.
One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would
be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused further
delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way."
Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my freight
fee.
Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project.
Happy building!
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Mark - working on wings
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Subject: | Re: Landing gear strut design |
Lowell,
Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA?
Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the only
one who was blown off the runway.
Jody
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Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Talk to Oiete Lowell.
He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil.
On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil #
> 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you
> please contact me off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
>
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Subject: | 612 airfoil advantages |
Corky-this airfoil does better outside snaps than the Pietenpol airfoil if
that is any help to you.
Do not archive
The Yankee Boy
(as I sign my offlist e-mails to Uncle Corky)
(I can hear him saying "that smart ass nawtherner")
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: front cockpit entry |
Now I see what you are trying to do.
Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space:
-- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height;
-- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the cross-support
under the panel and the panel itself;
-- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it up, and
add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the
usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top longerons
between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the
strength you need.
But before you get that far:
-- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX for reference.
-- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will actually
be;
-- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit.
Con- speaking against the plan:
-- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a hammock.
If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing)
;).... thus:
-- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's seat
and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a 5-day
hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some
clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead, but
without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you
can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community).
-- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub under the
fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in
that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped down
to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s,
that I know) is about the right size.
-- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This can
hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap this
to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set.
-- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool weather
flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front windshield
for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he gets
to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the windshield.
He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft,
like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing
something else now.]
However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem to
know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as you
would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s. After
all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: skybachs <skybachs@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
>
>
>Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse
or flat to the floor).
>
>The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear
when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably
sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front
area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view.
>
>This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max?
>
>--------
>NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
>NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
>NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
>NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604
>
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Subject: | Re: 612 airfoil advantages |
You re building a plane with one wing, you're building a monoplane?
Forget about the wings I can buttress the wings, what do ya think?
Do not archive
John
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Subject: | Re: 612 airfoil advantages |
Gee thanks. I'll have to try it.
BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in
Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between my
ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of
the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner.
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Subject: | Re: 612 airfoil advantages |
Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC
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Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
corky,
Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some stuff
he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email.
Here is what he posted a year ago on this board:
"
From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> [Add to Address Book]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install
Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM
Hi Curious:
Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett since
the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a complete
overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30- U-
612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great performer.
When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80% throttle,
I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a head
and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I clipped
the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar
to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and has
a 3/8 undercamber.
With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the Lambert
90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you wont
believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108 MPH.
The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the wing,
as per Riblitts computer read-out.
By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a loop.
Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion.
Pieti Lowell"
=========
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe
that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet
line.
Thanks
Corky
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Subject: | Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever |
YA SURE YA BETCHA!!
Sometimes I miss living in Minnesota...
for heaven's sake, and the preservation of marriage
do NOT archive
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: | Re: Landing gear strut design |
Lowell,
I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me
that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a
Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I
didn't write down what it did have...
Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon.
Cheers,
Dan
Pieti Lowell wrote:
>
> I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA
landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position
, and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right
gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut
was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that
folded,and dropped the right wing and prop,
> The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The
gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will
be back in the air soon.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: | Re: oil plug tool |
Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty
penny or 2 (or a case of good beer).
The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went
beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have
the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to
drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane).
The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice
and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety
wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why
shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap
right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to
and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it
to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on
itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts.
All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes
good common sense, but it's new to me.
*All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the
oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was
this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed.
Now, to go fly...
Cheers,
Dan
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil
> plug off with a standard ratchet wrench:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: | what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU
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Subject: | beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH |
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
near to it)
The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on
the runway for traffic spacing
purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on
e runway at the same time this way.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
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Subject: | A question for Larry Williams |
Larry,
Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as
light as they look, and how well do they work?
John Fay
in Peoria
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Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's things
peogressing?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. |
Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a crank
extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop hub
, standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my
Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made ,the
less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd.
The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel.
This is a standard design, and is out for bids.
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH |
Hi Jim:
Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see
them.
Bill -
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
> near to it)
>
> The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on
> the runway for traffic spacing
> purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on
> one runway at the same time this way.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
>
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