---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/14/09: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: passenger criteria (gcardinal) 2. 07:17 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 3. 07:56 AM - Re: Under wing float gauges (K5YAC) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (TulsaFlyer) 5. 08:47 AM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt) 6. 09:49 AM - 612 airfoil advantages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 9. 10:18 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 10:20 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Tim Willis) 12. 11:37 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Dan Yocum) 13. 11:45 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (Dan Yocum) 14. 12:09 PM - Re: oil plug tool (Dan Yocum) 15. 12:20 PM - what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 16. 12:21 PM - beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 17. 06:17 PM - A question for Larry Williams (John Fay) 18. 06:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mark Roberts) 19. 07:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (amsafetyc@aol.com) 20. 07:43 PM - Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti Lowell) 21. 09:41 PM - Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Bill Princell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:20 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria Yes, sometimes I take passengers who are "less photogenic" but I'll spare everyone the pictures........ Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passengers, in that they must all be: 1) Female 2) Young 3) Pretty There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those rules-despite my best efforts in trying to be self-disciplined. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:14 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet line. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Under wing float gauges From: "K5YAC" Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our build. You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the sanding, sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to hang mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ... more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time. As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in early July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to deliver anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other orders. One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused further delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way." Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my freight fee. Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project. Happy building! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257641#257641 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear strut design From: "TulsaFlyer" Lowell, Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA? Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the only one who was blown off the runway. Jody Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257642#257642 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:45 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Talk to Oiete Lowell. He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil. On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # > 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you > please contact me off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:37 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Corky-this airfoil does better outside snaps than the Pietenpol airfoil if that is any help to you. Do not archive The Yankee Boy (as I sign my offlist e-mails to Uncle Corky) (I can hear him saying "that smart ass nawtherner") do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:35 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry Now I see what you are trying to do. Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space: -- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height; -- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the cross-support under the panel and the panel itself; -- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it up, and add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top longerons between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the strength you need. But before you get that far: -- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX for reference. -- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will actually be; -- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit. Con- speaking against the plan: -- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a hammock. If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing) ;).... thus: -- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's seat and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a 5-day hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead, but without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community). -- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub under the fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped down to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s, that I know) is about the right size. -- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This can hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap this to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set. -- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool weather flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front windshield for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he gets to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the windshield. He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft, like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing something else now.] However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem to know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as you would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s. After all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: skybachs >Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry > > >Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse or flat to the floor). > >The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view. > >This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max? > >-------- >NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! >NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream >NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done >NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages You re building a plane with one wing, you're building a monoplane? Forget about the wings I can buttress the wings, what do ya think? Do not archive John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Gee thanks. I'll have to try it. BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between my ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:18 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) corky, Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some stuff he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email. Here is what he posted a year ago on this board: " From: Pieti Lowell [Add to Address Book] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM Hi Curious: Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett since the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a complete overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30- U- 612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great performer. When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80% throttle, I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a head and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I clipped the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and has a 3/8 undercamber. With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the Lambert 90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you wont believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108 MPH. The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the wing, as per Riblitts computer read-out. By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a loop. Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion. Pieti Lowell" ========= Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet line. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:24 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever YA SURE YA BETCHA!! Sometimes I miss living in Minnesota... for heaven's sake, and the preservation of marriage do NOT archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:00 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear strut design Lowell, I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I didn't write down what it did have... Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon. Cheers, Dan Pieti Lowell wrote: > > I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position , and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that folded,and dropped the right wing and prop, > The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will be back in the air soon. > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464 > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:40 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil plug tool Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty penny or 2 (or a case of good beer). The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane). The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts. All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes good common sense, but it's new to me. *All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed. Now, to go fly... Cheers, Dan Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil > plug off with a standard ratchet wrench: > > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:08 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or near to it) The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on the runway for traffic spacing purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on e runway at the same time this way. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams From: John Fay Larry, Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as light as they look, and how well do they work? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: Mark Roberts I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation Lowell made at Brodhead.... If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager to devour them... Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I > believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me > off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: amsafetyc@aol.com Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's things peogressing? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation Lowell made at Brodhead.... If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager to devour them... Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I > believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me > off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. From: "Pieti Lowell" Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a crank extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop hub , standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made ,the less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd. The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel. This is a standard design, and is out for bids. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257735#257735 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_ext_185.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH From: Bill Princell Hi Jim: Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see them. Bill - A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or > near to it) > > The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on > the runway for traffic spacing > purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on > one runway at the same time this way. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc > > * > ============================================================* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.