---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/15/09: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - Re: Larry Williams-type brakes (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:40 AM - Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Will42) 3. 05:42 AM - Re: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (gcardinal) 4. 07:17 AM - Re: Larry Williams-type brakes (Gary Boothe) 5. 08:19 AM - Ohio Event (Kip and Beth Gardner) 6. 09:50 AM - Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti Lowell) 7. 10:22 AM - wood packages (Don Rucker) 8. 10:31 AM - Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Will42) 9. 10:45 AM - Re: wood packages (Will42) 10. 11:07 AM - Re: Larry Williams-type brakes (mksoucy@yahoo.com) 11. 11:56 AM - Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 12. 12:43 PM - Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon (Rick Holland) 13. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Tim Willis) 14. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Ryan Mueller) 15. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Ryan Mueller) 16. 01:06 PM - Carb heat lesson (mksoucy@yahoo.com) 17. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Jack Phillips) 18. 01:34 PM - Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon (Gary Boothe) 19. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Gary Boothe) 20. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (jorge lizarraga) 21. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Tim Willis) 22. 03:44 PM - A65 to A75 swap (Oscar Zuniga) 23. 03:44 PM - cowling metal gauges (Oscar Zuniga) 24. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (helspersew@aol.com) 25. 05:25 PM - Re: A65 to A75 swap (Gene & Tammy) 26. 05:50 PM - Re: wood packages (VAHOWDY@aol.com) 27. 05:55 PM - nicely finished Piets (Oscar Zuniga) 28. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Gene & Tammy) 29. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Michael Groah) 30. 06:13 PM - Re: nicely finished Piets (Wayne Bressler) 31. 06:20 PM - taking the project outside (Michael Groah) 32. 06:30 PM - Re: nicely finished Piets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 33. 06:36 PM - Re: taking the project outside (helspersew@aol.com) 34. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: wood packages () 35. 06:43 PM - Re: taking the project outside (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 36. 06:54 PM - Re: taking the project outside (Jack Phillips) 37. 07:34 PM - Re: taking the project outside (Jerry Dotson) 38. 08:28 PM - Re: taking the project outside, exelente (jorge lizarraga) 39. 08:52 PM - Re: taking the project outside (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 40. 09:05 PM - Re: taking the project outside (Gary Boothe) 41. 09:38 PM - Re: nicely finished Piets (mksoucy@yahoo.com) 42. 10:08 PM - Re: taking the project outside (Michael Groah) 43. 11:27 PM - Re: taking the project outside (K5YAC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams-type brakes From: helspersew@aol.com John, There is some good information on this subject found at westcoastpiet.com. Look under the photos of Santiago Morete. Under his pictures are three Word.docs that I composed a few years ago. Not the final word, but I think helpful nontheless. ? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: John Fay Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 8:15 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams Larry, ? Could?you fill me in about your brakes.? Where did you get them, are they as light as they look, and how well do they work? ? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. From: "Will42" Nice drawing. What advantage would an extension have; I can easily see that it would add more costs, more weight and more stress to the, already prone to breakage, crankshaft. I must be missing something! Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257766#257766 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:38 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday Watch that video and look at ALL THE GRASS just begging to landed upon by Pietenpols..... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:05 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams-type brakes John, I did my best to copy Larry's brake set up, though I have a different drum. The hook up to the heel brake occurs under the floor board as I have belly formers that allow room for that. All of the adjusters to the cables are home-made and I would be happy to send you more info if you wish. I even ran the anti-rotation rod thru the blocks, like Larry's. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:48 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams-type brakes John, There is some good information on this subject found at westcoastpiet.com. Look under the photos of Santiago Morete. Under his pictures are three Word.docs that I composed a few years ago. Not the final word, but I think helpful nontheless. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: John Fay Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 8:15 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams Larry, Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as light as they look, and how well do they work? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:25 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Event Hey Everyone, One of our local EAA Chapters contacted me & asked that I post the following announcement to the list. The site of the event, Clever Field (PHD), in New Philadelphia, OH is the place where John Glenn solo'd, BTW. The main runway (14/32) is paved, but if memory serves me, there is also a grass cross strip (~10/28) as well. I'll be there showing off some parts of my project & hopefully some of you have not yet had your fill of summer flying & will be interested in showing up. Pancake Breakfast starting at ~7am, Kip Gardner EAA Chapter 1077 at the New Philadelphia, Ohio airport (Phd) Harry Clever Field is celebrating the 80th Anniversary of the Pietenpol Air Camper on Sunday Sept. 6th, 2009. We are encouraging anyone with a Pietenpol to please attend. This is a Fund Raiser Pancake Breakfast. Our Chapter is building a 50' X 70' X 18' high Hangar/Educational facility starting Sept. 1st. The building itself will be built by students from the local Buckeye Career Center. Any questions, please don't hesitate to call me at cell phone 330-340-2999. Terry Henry Educational Hangar Chairman ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. From: "Pieti Lowell" Will. Let me put it this way: The crank extension that was designed by The Akron motor for the Funk served the following functions: It bolted directly to the end flange of the Ford crank, It allowed any prop hub that fits Cont, Franklin, Lyc, or aircraft engine to fit or be interchangeable It allows an oil seal and ball bearing to take the prop thrust developed by the prop during full throttle.It also saved my forged, counter weighted crank from damage during a prop strike, It had bent over .125" on impact. It also counter weights that tail heavy thing I keep hearing about. Ken Perkins moved his Ford forward a longer distant than the extension's length. You will still need to fasten the prop to the end of the crank with some sort of attachment, I call it an extension All engines have them in some form or other. It doesn't add strain on the crank. it may absorb torsion pulses that a flywheel does, as a heavier hub would My Hamilton Al. Prop weighed 39 Lbs and worked very well.And very smooth. If used for thrust it will require a housing to drain oil back to the pan. If you would like to see an installed unit as I have on my Piet contact me on my Email , Try to find a good shot of it. Keep in mind if babbitt is used the thrust bearings are built in if you have inserts, other thrust surfaces are required. These are just some advantages. PIeti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257808#257808 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood packages From: Don Rucker Hi All, My 14 year-old son and I are at the beginning of our first Piet project. We have decided to go with the extend fuselage, C - 90 engine, and Riblete 612 airfoil. I would like to hear thoughts and experiences with wood packages from Aircraft Spruce. Thanks, Don (Swamppilot) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. From: "Will42" Just bolt a nice light wood prop directly to the flywheel flange (drive spools added). You or no one else can make an extension that is as strong as the original "A" set-up is without modifications. Forget the metal prop, Cont, Lyc, Frank prop hub, extension, thrust bearing and housing. SIMPLE, LIGHT, CHEAP was the Pietenpol philosophy and should still be. As far as saving you crank after prop strike; you will splinter wood props until you go broke replacing them without bending the "A" crank if the prop is mounted directly to the flywheel flange. I've seen your extension and housing. As for e-mailing you; how about if you answer my recent e-mail concerning the Riblett airfoil? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257813#257813 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages From: "Will42" Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what you want at the first one; just keep looking. Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:34 AM PST US From: "mksoucy@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams-type brakes Nice=0A=0ASent from my iPod=0A=0AOn Aug 15, 2009, at 10:13 AM, "Gary Boothe " wrote:=0A=0AJohn,=0A=0A =0A=0AI did my best to cop y Larry=99s brake set up, though I have a different drum. The hook up to the heel brake occurs under the floor board as I have belly formers tha t allow room for that. All of the adjusters to the cables are home-made and I would be happy to send you more info if you wish. I even ran the anti-ro tation rod thru the blocks, like Larry=99s.=0A=0A =0A=0AGary Boothe =0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion=0ATail done, Fuselage on g ear=0A(13 ribs down)=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics .com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspe rsew@aol.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:48 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list @matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams-type brakes=0A =0A =0A=0AJohn,=0A=0A =0A=0AThere is some good information on this subject found at westcoastpiet.com. Look under the photos of Santiago Morete. Under his pictures are three Word.docs that I composed a few years ago. Not the final word, but I think helpful nontheless.=0A=0A =0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0APo plar Grove, IL.=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: John Fay =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 8:15 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams=0A=0ALarry ,=0A=0A =0A=0ACould you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get th em, are they as light as they look, and how well do they work?=0A=0A =0A=0A John Fay=0A=0Ain Peoria=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronic s.com/contribution=0A =0A<000_1188.jpg>=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:10 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon Again and again I'm am SO IMPRESSED by the fine workmanship that is coming out of the newest generations of Pietenpol builders ! To me, in the old days, the Pietenpols you'd see were generally pretty junky looking and unimpressive to potential passengers and builders but in the past number of years the quality of the Pietenpols coming down the construction pike has really set the bar higher-- giving the design more appeal to new builders and I think a new sense of pride and 'safer looking' airplanes attracting even more builders to this type. Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet with Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a wild (but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the newer Piets at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others. Great stuff-- keep them coming guys ! Mike C. NX48MC, Old Faithful ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon From: Rick Holland We are all just trying to build to the high quality standards that you set with your Pietenpol Mikey. And your video really helped spread the word. Rick On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Aerospace Corporation]" > > > Again and again I'm am SO IMPRESSED by the fine workmanship that is coming > out of the newest generations of Pietenpol builders ! To me, in the old > days, > the Pietenpols you'd see were generally pretty junky looking and > unimpressive to potential passengers and builders but in the past number of > years the > quality of the Pietenpols coming down the construction pike has really set > the bar higher-- giving the design more appeal to new builders and I think a > new > sense of pride and 'safer looking' airplanes attracting even more builders > to this type. > > Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet > with Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a > wild > (but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the > newer Piets at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along > nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others. > Great stuff-- keep them coming guys ! > > Mike C. > NX48MC, Old Faithful > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:23 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages IMO, the big box stores and most of the local lumber yards will be very unlikely to have what you want or need. A few years ago I looked at over 240 Douglass Fir 2 X 12 planks in my local lumber yard and only found one that looked promising. I rejected it upon closer inspection. I believe such boards in Lowe's and Home Depot are invariably yellow pine, a wood which weighs more. And they will be graded for building contruction. For your plane you need better and straighter grain than you are likely to find there-- it should be quarter sawn and at least 16 grains per inch. You would think that with the word "spruce" in its name, the quality of AS&S wood would be quite good, but others have described quality problems. You can get good Douglass Fir from a west coast supplier or Sitka Spruce from McCormack Lumber in Madison, WI., and at cheaper prices. Here is what Roman Bukolt did, and posted to our site some time back. From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy signs up I purchased (7) 1 x6 x 20ft. rough cut planks of Sitka spruce from McCormick Lumber in Madison, Wi. Their quality is good. I chose the four best ones and had them planed to 3/4" right at the lumber yard, with Bill Rewey's help. Those will be my wing spars. I would roughly guess that, the quantity that I bought should be enough to finish the plane. McCormick Lumber is only 40 mi. north of Brodhead. Drive up, enjoy the fly-in then go to Madison prior to returning home. The planks you choose for Spars can be cut just over 14 ft. (before planing) The cut-offs would be just under 6 ft., perfect for slicing up for wing rib stick stock.. Cut one other plank just long enough to get your longerons from. The remaining two planks can be cut to some convenient length so you wouldn't have to be hauling any 20 ft. planks home. Roman Bukolt, Madison, Wi. NX20795 ========== So google McCormack and see what you get. In June I talked with one of the McCormacks about picking up enough sitka spruce to do a set of wings, when I thought I would be going to Brodhead in July. He was very knowledgeable and helpful. They have an excellent reputation. I just got some plywood from Boulter Plywood in greater Boston. I would recommend them, too. I talked with the woner, Chris Boulter. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Will42 >Sent: Aug 15, 2009 12:43 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages > > >Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what you want at the first one; just keep looking. > >Will > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages From: Ryan Mueller Don, Save yourself some time and headaches by not going to the big box stores and picking through their crap wood. Ordering from ACS is the easiest thing to do, but is more expensive. Figure out what you need, make a phone call, it will eventually show up at your door. Otherwise, you could try to find a quality lumber yard in your area. For example, there's McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI that is known for having aircraft quality spruce and other wood, it's just not certified. This means less money, which is always good. Where are you located? Ryan On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Will42 wrote: > > Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such > hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find > what you want at the first one; just keep looking. > > Will > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. From: Ryan Mueller "Smile son, never disconcert the masses" Crabass! do not archive On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Will42 wrote: > > Just bolt a nice light wood prop directly to the flywheel flange (drive > spools added). You or no one else can make an extension that is as strong as > the original "A" set-up is without modifications. Forget the metal prop, > Cont, Lyc, Frank prop hub, extension, thrust bearing and housing. SIMPLE, > LIGHT, CHEAP was the Pietenpol philosophy and should still be. > > As far as saving you crank after prop strike; you will splinter wood props > until you go broke replacing them without bending the "A" crank if the prop > is mounted directly to the flywheel flange. > > I've seen your extension and housing. > > As for e-mailing you; how about if you answer my recent e-mail concerning > the Riblett airfoil? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257813#257813 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:40 PM PST US From: "mksoucy@yahoo.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat lesson Flew to millers field in Newburgh ME today for a flyin about 1.3 hrs. The first hr I so smooth almost threw out the stick but lighter is not always better. After I got there it got very hot and humid very little wind. Watched 2 champs take off they did great then I think it was a sedan rolled he was not looking so good he lifted off but you could tell he did not have full power drifted slighty at a spot on the runway where crosses a ditch and is not much wider than the plane it clipped a ten ft bush. Continuning to climb slowly and spewing a rich mix from the exhaust he cleared the big trees ahead we where told he had left carb heat on. Wow it was close. Mike Sent from my iPod ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:49 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages Also try Wick's Aircraft Supplies. I bought most of my spruce from them. Cheaper and MUCH faster delivery than ASS. Wood quality was excellent. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages Don, Save yourself some time and headaches by not going to the big box stores and picking through their crap wood. Ordering from ACS is the easiest thing to do, but is more expensive. Figure out what you need, make a phone call, it will eventually show up at your door. Otherwise, you could try to find a quality lumber yard in your area. For example, there's McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI that is known for having aircraft quality spruce and other wood, it's just not certified. This means less money, which is always good. Where are you located? Ryan On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Will42 wrote: Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what you want at the first one; just keep looking. Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:11 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon Amen to that! You guys have solved a lot of the questions. I'm just copying. The day will come when a guy can build a top-notch Piet in 30 days! ;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon We are all just trying to build to the high quality standards that you set with your Pietenpol Mikey. And your video really helped spread the word. Rick On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: Aerospace Corporation]" Again and again I'm am SO IMPRESSED by the fine workmanship that is coming out of the newest generations of Pietenpol builders ! To me, in the old days, the Pietenpols you'd see were generally pretty junky looking and unimpressive to potential passengers and builders but in the past number of years the quality of the Pietenpols coming down the construction pike has really set the bar higher-- giving the design more appeal to new builders and I think a new sense of pride and 'safer looking' airplanes attracting even more builders to this type. Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet with Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a wild (but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the newer Piets at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others. Great stuff-- keep them coming guys ! Mike C. NX48MC, Old Faithful ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:19 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages Will, Just goes to show...a man with two watches never knows what time it is. Someone mentioned 16 rings/inch. AC41.13 says 6 rings/inch, minimum. I purchased all the wood (Poplar) thru a local supplier for under $300, although I did buy a few Poplar boards from Lowe's; true, I had to look at a lot of pieces. Obviously, plywood is not in that total. Your mileage may vary..... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42 Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what you want at the first one; just keep looking. Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:19 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages hi Im jorge from hanford and i jave very hart time to get a wood from spruc e the tail saction cosmy 260 but the shiping costmy 160 so realy I need dif erent sourse fro spruce wood you have some mail from that wicks company tan ks --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAlso try Wick=99s Aircraft Supplies.=C2-=0AI bought most of my spruce from t hem.=C2- Cheaper and MUCH faster delivery than=0AASS.=C2- Wood quality was excellent. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AJack=0A Phillips =0A=0ANX899JP =0A=0ARal eigh, NC =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0A owner-pietenp ol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron ics.com ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller =0ASent: Saturday, August 15, 2009=0A3:54 PM =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:=0Awood packages =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A =0ADon, =0A =0ASave yourself some time and headaches by not going to the big box stores and=0Apicking through their crap wood. Ordering from ACS is the easiest th ing to do,=0Abut is more expensive. Figure out what you need, make a phone call, it will=0Aeventually show up at your door. Otherwise, you could try t o find a quality=0Alumber yard in your area. For example, there's McCormick Lumber in=0A Madison , WI =0Athat is known for having aircraft quality spr uce and other wood, it's just not=0Acertified. This means less money, which is always good. Where are you located? =0A =0ARyan =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Will42 wr ote: =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List=0Amessage posted by: "Will42" =0A =0ASave yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such =0Ahardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not fin d what=0Ayou want at the first one; just keep looking. =0A =0AWill =0A =0A =0A =0A =0ARead this topic online here: =0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A========== =0Ast"=0Atarget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lis t =0A========== =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com =0A========== =0Ale, List Admin. =0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A========== =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contr ibution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:54 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages You are right, sorry for the misinformation. -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe >Sent: Aug 15, 2009 3:36 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages > > >Will, > >Just goes to show...a man with two watches never knows what time it is. > >Someone mentioned 16 rings/inch. AC41.13 says 6 rings/inch, minimum. I >purchased all the wood (Poplar) thru a local supplier for under $300, >although I did buy a few Poplar boards from Lowe's; true, I had to look at a >lot of pieces. Obviously, plywood is not in that total. > >Your mileage may vary..... > >Gary Boothe >Cool, Ca. >Pietenpol >WW Corvair Conversion >Tail done, Fuselage on gear >(13 ribs down.) > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42 >Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:43 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages > > >Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such >hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find >what you want at the first one; just keep looking. > >Will > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:09 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 to A75 swap Howdy, Pieters; I got the cowlings fitted back onto the engine, confident that there are no more leaks or loose things ahead of the firewall. I snipped out a new opening for the oil filler/ dipstick and will fit the edge of that with some of the same trim material that Corky used on the other cowling openings. The airplane flies MUCH better with cowlings back on, and performs like I'm used to having it perform, except with much more power. I am really happy with the additional 10 HP and the smoothness of the rebuilt engine. There is much less 'buzz' in the seat of the pants, less shaking of the cowlings and windscreens, less vibration in general. Jeff and Doug are really good at balancing these engines and I'm the benefactor of their overhaul/rebuild efforts. I know my tach reads low but I don't have an optical tach at the moment so the following numbers are probably low on the RPM. Static runup on the ground with the Culver prop is 2475 (and it starts to drag the brakes, which the 65 could never do). In level cruise at 3500 ft. and about 80F at that altitude, the cruise airspeed was just a tad higher at 72 MPH with 2600 RPM showing, but much smoother. Climb is very strong, although I didn't believe the VSI which was showing 1200-1500 FPM for awhile. The 75 seems to be a good match for the airplane but needs a bit more watching than the 65... I tend to overspeed the engine at times and the airspeed runs away from me much easier if I drop the nose. Oil pressure is still fabulous, at about 42 psi at cruise, with oil temp hovering around 180F but it did creep up to about 190 after I climbed out after fueling at Castroville. That's the highest I've ever seen on the oil temp gauge, but to be expected until the rings and cylinders smooth out. I think the mixture is a bit rich... I didn't touch anything on the overhauled Stromberg... just mounted it, hooked up, started up, and ran. Got a bit of stumbling at low speed taxi and low power settings, and a bit of a stumble when checking mags at Castroville. Deanie Montgomery knows how to set these carbs up but I think I need to adjust the mixture a bit. I now have 1.54 hrs. on the new engine and only about 3-1/2 to go till testing is over. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:43 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowling metal gauges Closed circuit for Raymond Hanover: I checked the metal thickness on my cooling eyebrows and engine cowlings. All are .025" aluminum. Cowlings have stiffeners at the hinge joints and a few other stiffeners, but they are pretty solid just like that. Probably no need to go to heavier material. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages From: helspersew@aol.com Do NOT go to Lowes, Home Depot or any other store close to these. Buy aircraft quality spruce from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, or some other local source. This is the gold standard and it will be perfectly straight/true. You will not be sorry in the long run. Wait, save, and then buy. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL -----Original Message----- From: Will42 Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:43 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what you want at the first one; just keep looking. Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:08 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 to A75 swap Congratulations on getting your new A 75 up and running. I'm sure you do notice the extra 10 hp. It does sound like your old A 65 was a real dog with all the shaking and vibrations you've reported. Just so other builders don't get the wrong idea about the A 65, I'd like to report that I experience none of the problems you've reported. With my 76 X 38 prop it climbs well, cruises between 72 and 74 mph at 2150 rpm and if I put the nose down with power on it will reach VNE very quickly. Having said all that, would I like 10 more horses to use on a real hot summer day? You bet! (but only if I can get the same fuel rate). I'll be watching for more of your excellent reports as you get the engine broken in. Gene N502R A 65 Jay Anderson prop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 to A75 swap > > > Howdy, Pieters; > > I got the cowlings fitted back onto the engine, confident > that there are no more leaks or loose things ahead of the > firewall. I snipped out a new opening for the oil filler/ > dipstick and will fit the edge of that with some of the > same trim material that Corky used on the other cowling > openings. > > The airplane flies MUCH better with cowlings back on, and > performs like I'm used to having it perform, except with > much more power. I am really happy with the additional > 10 HP and the smoothness of the rebuilt engine. There is > much less 'buzz' in the seat of the pants, less shaking > of the cowlings and windscreens, less vibration in general. > Jeff and Doug are really good at balancing these engines > and I'm the benefactor of their overhaul/rebuild efforts. > > I know my tach reads low but I don't have an optical tach > at the moment so the following numbers are probably low on > the RPM. Static runup on the ground with the Culver prop > is 2475 (and it starts to drag the brakes, which the 65 > could never do). In level cruise at 3500 ft. and about 80F > at that altitude, the cruise airspeed was just a tad higher > at 72 MPH with 2600 RPM showing, but much smoother. > Climb is very strong, although I didn't believe the VSI > which was showing 1200-1500 FPM for awhile. The 75 seems > to be a good match for the airplane but needs a bit more > watching than the 65... I tend to overspeed the engine > at times and the airspeed runs away from me much easier if > I drop the nose. > > Oil pressure is still fabulous, at about 42 psi at cruise, > with oil temp hovering around 180F but it did creep up to > about 190 after I climbed out after fueling at Castroville. > That's the highest I've ever seen on the oil temp gauge, > but to be expected until the rings and cylinders smooth out. > > I think the mixture is a bit rich... I didn't touch anything > on the overhauled Stromberg... just mounted it, hooked up, > started up, and ran. Got a bit of stumbling at low speed > taxi and low power settings, and a bit of a stumble when > checking mags at Castroville. Deanie Montgomery knows how > to set these carbs up but I think I need to adjust the > mixture a bit. I now have 1.54 hrs. on the new engine and > only about 3-1/2 to go till testing is over. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:10:00 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:02 PM PST US From: VAHOWDY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood packages It's worth the look to check out your local lumber company. I found the larger boards 2x12x20 or 22 with the best spruce. I did have to look thru a whole bundle to find two boards that had large sections of clear lumber. Howdy ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:46 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets Let me start by saying that Mike Cuy's video has every bit as inspirational to me as it has been to any of you, and his airplane is a sterling example of the marque. Now let me spar a bit with Mikee about his comments. My airplane was initially a very nicely finished Piet, but nowadays it is simply a sturdy, reliable, fun flyer. I would never put it up for judging because it wouldn't win anything. It has looks that appeal to some people, but not a majority. Most modern pilots see it as an anachronism, a simplistic means of getting in the air, and a bit of a cranky airplane in that it requires hand-propping, has no electrical system, has an open cockpit, is not padded and cushy, has no radios, is a taildragger, has a control stick, and when you sit in it you get the impression that it is an antique and a bit delicate. The thing is, my feeling is that it is far better to have an airplane that is simple and reliable than it is to have one that is polished and sophisticated. I let kids climb in and when their parents tell the kids not to touch anything, I tell them there is nothing they can hurt in my airplane. I want the kids to enjoy it. The paint has scratches, the fabric has scuffs, there is oil mist and dust here and there, drips and stains on the fabric, but to me that is part of the charm and warmth of the airplane and it makes it much easier for me to enjoy flying it rather than spending time polishing and primping it. The paint job is imprecise, colors don't match perfectly where I've made repairs, and the paint scheme is an early Army Air Corps military style. It appeals to a fairly narrow group of people, but to me it places the airplane in its milieu. The Air Camper will never look right with a chrome and pearlescent scheme, in my mind. It will never be at home with carbon fiber and microelectronics. It is what it is, and I think that's part of the attraction to the type of people who associate themselves with it. Not that I don't want to have the airplane continue to grow in popularily, but I don't want people to "pimp my ride" to make it popular, if you know what I mean. Nothing personal, Mikee... just a bit of a difference of opinion. There is still something appealing about a simple Piet with a red barn fuselage and silver or white wings... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:27 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages Dan, I don't know about other Lowe's but here in Tennessee I have a hard time finding a straight 2 X 4 I'd use in rebuilding my old shop, let alone something I'd want in my plane! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages Do NOT go to Lowes, Home Depot or any other store close to these. Buy aircraft quality spruce from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, or some other local source. This is the gold standard and it will be perfectly straight/true. You will not be sorry in the long run. Wait, save, and then buy. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL -----Original Message----- From: Will42 To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:43 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find what you want at the first one; just keep looking. Will Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/15/09 18:10:00 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:06 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages I bought the AS&S wood kit for the Piet and I really liked it.- It wasnt' cheap at all and I had to wait a little while for it, but the quality was very good and it had plenty to do most of the plane.- I had already bough t materials for the ribs and I made the turtle deck from popular I had on h and.- I think if I had it to do over again I'd do it the same way.- It' s just easier than sourcing it elsewhere and sizing it, but you'll pay for the convenience.- Mike Groah Tulare CA --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Tim Willis wrote: From: Tim Willis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages et> You are right, sorry for the misinformation. -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe >Sent: Aug 15, 2009 3:36 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages > > >Will, > >Just goes to show...a man with two watches never knows what time it is. > >Someone mentioned 16 rings/inch. AC41.13 says 6 rings/inch, minimum. I >purchased all the wood (Poplar) thru a local supplier for under $300, >although I did buy a few Poplar boards from Lowe's; true, I had to look at a >lot of pieces. Obviously, plywood is not in that total. > >Your mileage may vary..... > >Gary Boothe >Cool, Ca. >Pietenpol >WW Corvair Conversion >Tail done, Fuselage on gear >(13 ribs down.) > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Will42 >Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:43 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages > > >Save yourself some time, headaches and money; go to Lowes or some such >hardware/lumber dealer and pick through their inventory. you may not find >what you want at the first one; just keep looking. > >Will > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257818#257818 > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:28 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets Oscar, The following sounds perfect to me: "Most modern pilots see it as an anachronism, a simplistic means of getting in the air, and a bit of a cranky airplane in that it requires hand-propping, has no electrical system, has an open cockpit, is not padded and cushy, has no radios, is a taildragger, has a control stick, and when you sit in it you get the impression that it is an antique and a bit delicate." But I guess I'm not the majority, which is just fine with me. :) Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:14 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together.- I m ade up some mock up struts and hung the wings.- Actually I had it out so that a local paper could do an article on it.- Hopefully that comes out w ell,... you never know.- A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and talk airplanes.- It made for a fun morning.- I've attached some pictures.- Mike Groah Tulare CA =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:31 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets Nothing wrong with a rode-hard and put away wet Pietenpol at all in fact some of my favorite airplanes are the dented and faded planes at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Being glossy with chrome has nothing to do with the safety and quality of an airplane if the guts are made of home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue. I think what I was saying is that some of the Pietenpols that I saw early on in the late 80's when I first got into this deal looked downright dangerous and the workmanship was that of a 6th or 7th grade shop student who still was using a hand saw and not sanding out the saw marks. I wouldn't let my ex wife ride in one of those airplanes and that, in my opinion, give the airplane a bad reputation--in general and thus the reason for my taking pleasure in seeing the overall quality of workmanship keep getting better and better in the Piet world. Now go get your plane in shape for the 90th Anniversary Oscar when we'll be hobbling around a bit more and talking about what prescriptions we are on and how this aches and that hurts. After all, I don't want my plane parked next to just any old heap:))) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside From: helspersew@aol.com Mike, I really enjoyed looking at your photos. Very fine work from what I can see. A very peaceful setting to be sure. Looks like you will be flying very soon. Good luck, and hope? to see you and your airplane at Oshkosh next year. Dann Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Groah Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:19 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together.? I made up some mock up struts and hung the wings.? Actually I had it out so that a local paper could do an article on it.? Hopefully that comes out well,... you never know.? A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and talk airplanes.? It made for a fun morning.? I've attached some pictures.? Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:29 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood packages I bought several boards at a local lumber yard. They let me pick through thier douglas fir until I found what I wanted. Just be sure you know what you are looking for. One thing I haven't found is Sitka Spruce at any local lumber yards or anyplace else.. Buying it from Aircraft Spruce might speed up the build as you won't have to cut as much. As with everything else it is a trade off. Rodney Hall ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:25 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside VERY cool Mike Groah !!!!!!!! BEauuuuutiful !!!!!!!!!! What's that funny looking engine though you have on the front ? :)) Seriously-- looking good. Love wire wheels, love the wing CC cutout and handle, love the wood gear. Nice windshields too. Good looking family. You're the right age to be building too-- never too soon, also--never too late. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:51 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Looking great, Mike! Jack phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together. I made up some mock up struts and hung the wings. Actually I had it out so that a local paper could do an article on it. Hopefully that comes out well,... you never know. A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and talk airplanes. It made for a fun morning. I've attached some pictures. Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: taking the project outside From: "Jerry Dotson" I am very envious of your project. I hope to be where you are in a year! Looks great. Get'er flying. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257917#257917 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:34 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside, exelente hi mike i wish my proyect loocks like you museum pice but is bery far from you and alot bigaing kepgoin you almost fell the wing in you face seyou nex jorge fromhanfort --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Michael Groah wrote: From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together.- I m ade up some mock up struts and hung the wings.- Actually I had it out so that a local paper could do an article on it.- Hopefully that comes out w ell,... you never know.- A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and talk airplanes.- It made for a fun morning.- I've attached some pictures.- Mike Groah Tulare CA =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:25 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Looks nice Mike - I'm hoping to be near this stage next summer. Time will tell. Tom B. From: dskogrover@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together. I mad e up some mock up struts and hung the wings. Actually I had it out so that a local paper could do an article on it. Hopefully that comes out well=2C ... you never know. A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and ta lk airplanes. It made for a fun morning. I've attached some pictures. Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:35 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside She's a beauty, Mike! Your flying machine, too! Your work is an inspiration.see you in a few weeks.. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Sometimes it's fun to take the project outside and bolt it together. I made up some mock up struts and hung the wings. Actually I had it out so that a local paper could do an article on it. Hopefully that comes out well,... you never know. A man driving by even stopped in to take a look and talk airplanes. It made for a fun morning. I've attached some pictures. Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:52 PM PST US From: "mksoucy@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets It was those poorly built piets that helped the reputation by holding together for years and lots of times on rough strips proved the design. Mike Sent from my iPod On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:29 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: Nothing wrong with a rode-hard and put away wet Pietenpol at all in fact some of my favorite airplanes are the dented and faded planes at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Being glossy with chrome has nothing to do with the safety and quality of an airplane if the guts are made of home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue. I think what I was saying is that some of the Pietenpols that I saw early on in the late 80's when I first got into this deal looked downright dangerous and the workmanship was that of a 6th or 7th grade shop student who still was using a hand saw and not sanding out the saw marks. I wouldn't let my ex wife ride in one of those airplanes and that, in my opinion, give the airplane a bad reputation--in general and thus the reason for my taking pleasure in seeing the overall quality of workmanship keep getting better and better in the Piet world. Now go get your plane in shape for the 90th Anniversary Oscar when we'll be hobbling around a bit more and talking about what prescriptions we are on and how this aches and that hurts. After all, I don't want my plane parked next to just any old heap:))) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:07 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: taking the project outside Thanks for all the positive comments.- It's nice to have the ego stroked once in awhile.- My plane is far from perfect and I've seen pictures of so many that look li ke fine furniture everywhere.- My philosophy is that first off it needs t o be strong and safe... second is looks.- I also decided that it only nee ds to look good where it will show once covered.- All of my wing structur e is sealed with epoxy varnish but just to seal it from the elements, not t o look good as it all gets covered up.- I'll spend a little time making t he inside of the cockpit look good since it will show I'll have to see that every time I get in.- I'm looking forward to flying this thing with some of the other Piets one of these days.- (yes Mike Cuy that's one of those silly Corvairs hanging on the front.- I like to do things the hard way and a lot of my students did the prep work on the engine, but I did the final assembly over the summer) (Gary Boothe I'll see you at the West Coast Piet builders gathering) Mike Groah Tulare CA =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: taking the project outside From: "K5YAC" Very cool. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257949#257949 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.