Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 08/16/09


Total Messages Posted: 34



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     1. 04:55 AM - Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. (airlion)
     2. 05:22 AM - taking the project outside (Lawrence Williams)
     3. 05:56 AM - Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels 	and new Piets on the horizon (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     4. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: wood packages (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     5. 06:43 AM - Re: nicely finished Piets (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     6. 07:13 AM - Re: update (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     7. 07:13 AM - Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. (Max Hegler)
     8. 07:13 AM - Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. (Max Hegler)
     9. 07:15 AM - Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. (Max Hegler)
    10. 08:05 AM - Re: update (Gary Boothe)
    11. 08:46 AM - Re: update (amsafetyc@aol.com)
    12. 09:48 AM - nicely finished Piets (Oscar Zuniga)
    13. 10:57 AM - Re: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help? (Tim Willis)
    14. 12:11 PM - Re: nicely finished Piets (amsafetyc@aol.com)
    15. 12:55 PM - wing CC bottom material/covering  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    16. 01:23 PM - John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    17. 02:22 PM - Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon (Dan Yocum)
    18. 03:38 PM - Re: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update (amsafetyc@aol.com)
    19. 03:56 PM - skid ball (skellytown flyer)
    20. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Don Rucker)
    21. 04:12 PM - Thanks (Don Rucker)
    22. 04:41 PM - Re: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help? (Jack Phillips)
    23. 04:43 PM - Anybody heard from the ATL gang? (Lawrence Williams)
    24. 04:47 PM - Re: skid ball (airlion)
    25. 05:08 PM - Re: skid ball (Gary Boothe)
    26. 05:41 PM - Re: Anybody heard from the ATL gang? (Jack Phillips)
    27. 05:48 PM - Re: skid ball (Jeff Boatright)
    28. 05:54 PM - Re: skid ball (Jack Phillips)
    29. 06:53 PM - skid ball (Oscar Zuniga)
    30. 08:35 PM - Re: skid ball (Jerry Dotson)
    31. 08:49 PM - Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (Steve Ruse)
    32. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: skid ball (Gary Boothe)
    33. 10:40 PM - TGWP on Encore (K5YAC)
    34. 11:52 PM - wing rib jig belongs to some one don't know who (Robert Ray)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:55:36 AM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly
    do so. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich@msn.com> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. > : I > was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do > so. > > > > > > > > > >WHEN > A SOLDIER COMES HOME >This > email is being circulated around the world - > please keep it going. > > >When > a soldier comes home, he finds it > hard.... > > >....to > listen to his son whine about being > bored. > > >....to > keep a straight face when people complain about > potholes. > > > >....to > be tolerant of people who > complain >about > the hassle of getting ready for > work. > > > > >....to > be understanding when a co-worker complains about a bad night's > sleep. > > >....to > be silent when people pray to > God > for a new car. > > > > >....to > control his panic when his wife tells him he needs to drive > slower. > > > > > >....to > be compassionate when a businessman expresses a fear of > flying. > > >....to > keep from laughing when anxious parents > say >they're > afraid to send their kids off to summer > camp. > > > >....to > keep from ridiculing someone who complains about hot > weather. > > >....to > control his frustration when a colleague gripes about his coffee > being cold. > > > >....to > remain calm when his daughter complains about having to walk the > dog. > > >....to > be civil to people who complain about their jobs.< > /span> > > >....to > just walk away when someone says > they >only > get two weeks of vacation a year. > > > >....to > be forgiving when someone says > how >hard > it is to have a new baby in the house. > > > >The > only thing harder than being a Soldier.... > > > >Is > loving one. > > > >I > was asked to pass this on and I will gladly do > so. > >Will > you??? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________


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    Time: 05:22:37 AM PST US
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: taking the project outside
    I'm no historian but my recollection is that the Pavliga piet was the first that was made to a higher standard of finish. I recall a few new ships in that era that were not too pretty but seemed to serve their purpose. Funny but none of those seem to show up anymore. Might have something to do with making something worthwhile rather than just scratching the itch. - On the other hand there have been a few museum-quality Piets that are so pe rfect that the builder is-hesitant to fly it for fear of a ding or the da unting task of dusting it off after the flight. No fun there. - Yep, Frank P. Sr. did a whole lot with his talents. Building an icon with h is son and publishing the REAL BPANewsletter for years is still netting res ults. Grant MacLaren is another giant in the Pietenpol progression whose ef forts have raised the bar. Both are missed (at least by me). - The end result seems to be more and much better Air Campers for the world t o enjoy. - BTW, I put a new carb on my A and the cruise picked up 2-3 mph. My new head is in the mail!!!- Can't wait. Problem is, as soon as I can keep up with the C-65 crowd, they all go to 75's and 85's and even 0-200's. Is this som e kind of conspiracy?? - "Grab your courage everybody 'cause this is flying weather". - Larry W. xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:56:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and
    new Piets on the horizon
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
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    Time: 06:12:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: wood packages
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
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    Time: 06:43:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    During my travels I have always sought out builders and projects. I wanted to see and learn from their work. Another of us builders had started that tradition and I am proud to call him my friend. On day we were both traveling and in the same area at the same time. I had arranged to see a project at one of the near airports. My friend decided to join me(invite himself) on the visit. The builder showed us a fuse that was sitting in an obscure part of the hangar. When our host was out of earshot my friend said " I came all the way here to see this piece of shit" words I remember and use to motivate me to do better to spend the extra hours to try to build better than I am capable of. I never want anyone to say that about my project especially if I can do better. Fortunately that wan not the work of our host just some guy who did poor work and not capable or motivated to do better. The work of our host was impeccable for which we were both happy to see. I realize that the Piet I build is my Piet and I am building it for me but I would prefer call it a nice build rather than a piece of shit. Btwi that friend of mine frequents and posts to this board as a frequent and well respected member of our community. John ------Original Message------ From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: Aug 15, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets Nothing wrong with a rode-hard and put away wet Pietenpol at all in fact some of my favorite airplanes are the dented and faded planes at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Being glossy with chrome has nothing to do with the safety and quality of an airplane if the guts are made of home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue. I think what I was saying is that some of the Pietenpols that I saw early on in the late 80's when I first got into this deal looked downright dangerous and the workmanship was that of a 6th or 7th grade shop student who still was using a hand saw and not sanding out the saw marks. I wouldn't let my ex wife ride in one of those airplanes and that, in my opinion, give the airplane a bad reputation--in general and thus the reason for my taking pleasure in seeing the overall quality of workmanship keep getting better and better in the Piet world. Now go get your plane in shape for the 90th Anniversary Oscar when we'll be hobbling around a bit more and talking about what prescriptions we are on and how this aches and that hurts. After all, I don't want my plane parked next to just any old heap:))) Mike C. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 07:13:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: update
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Well after the disassenbly and cleaning of all 0235 engine parts, I loaded the into the Jimmy and hauled the off. I took then to a service hangar about 2 hours away for inspection, magnaflix and machining. The engine came out of a nosed over piper colt that had been sitting for years and has some internal corrosion in the valve train mostly. The rest of the insides look really good with near zero runout. I am hoping for a clean bill of health and a regrind on the cam at worst. The engine has 2200TT and 600hrs SMOH so its been through one cycle and should have a bunch of life left in her. I should find out the news next week John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/14/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-08-14&Archive=Pietenpol Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-08-14&Archive=Pietenpol =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/14/09: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: passenger criteria (gcardinal) 2. 07:17 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 3. 07:56 AM - Re: Under wing float gauges (K5YAC) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (TulsaFlyer) 5. 08:47 AM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt) 6. 09:49 AM - 612 airfoil advantages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 9. 10:18 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 10:20 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Tim Willis) 12. 11:37 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Dan Yocum) 13. 11:45 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (Dan Yocum) 14. 12:09 PM - Re: oil plug tool (Dan Yocum) 15. 12:20 PM - what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 16. 12:21 PM - beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 17. 06:17 PM - A question for Larry Williams (John Fay) 18. 06:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mark Roberts) 19. 07:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (amsafetyc@aol.com) 20. 07:43 PM - Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti Lowell) 21. 09:41 PM - Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Bill Princell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:20 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria Yes, sometimes I take passengers who are "less photogenic" but I'll spare everyone the pictures........ Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passengers, in that they must all be: 1) Female 2) Young 3) Pretty There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those rules-despite my best efforts in trying to be self-disciplined. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:14 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet line. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Under wing float gauges From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our build. You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the sanding, sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to hang mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ... more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time. As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in early July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to deliver anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other orders. One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused further delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way." Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my freight fee. Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project. Happy building! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257641#257641 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear strut design From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1@netzero.net> Lowell, Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA? Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the only one who was blown off the runway. Jody Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257642#257642 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:45 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Talk to Oiete Lowell. He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil. On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # > 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you > please contact me off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:37 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Corky-this airfoil does better outside snaps than the Pietenpol airfoil if that is any help to you. Do not archive The Yankee Boy (as I sign my offlist e-mails to Uncle Corky) (I can hear him saying "that smart ass nawtherner") do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:35 AM PST US From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry Now I see what you are trying to do. Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space: -- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height; -- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the cross-support under the panel and the panel itself; -- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it up, and add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top longerons between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the strength you need. But before you get that far: -- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX for reference. -- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will actually be; -- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit. Con- speaking against the plan: -- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a hammock. If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing) ;).... thus: -- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's seat and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a 5-day hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead, but without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community). -- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub under the fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped down to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s, that I know) is about the right size. -- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This can hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap this to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set. -- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool weather flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front windshield for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he gets to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the windshield. He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft, like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing something else now.] However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem to know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as you would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s. After all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: skybachs <skybachs@yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry > > >Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse or flat to the floor). > >The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view. > >This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max? > >-------- >NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! >NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream >NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done >NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages You re building a plane with one wing, you're building a monoplane? Forget about the wings I can buttress the wings, what do ya think? Do not archive John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Gee thanks. I'll have to try it. BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between my ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:18 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) corky, Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some stuff he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email. Here is what he posted a year ago on this board: " From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> [Add to Address Book] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM Hi Curious: Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett since the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a complete overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30- U- 612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great performer. When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80% throttle, I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a head and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I clipped the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and has a 3/8 undercamber. With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the Lambert 90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you wont believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108 MPH. The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the wing, as per Riblitts computer read-out. By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a loop. Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion. Pieti Lowell" ======== Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet line. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:24 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever YA SURE YA BETCHA!! Sometimes I miss living in Minnesota... for heaven's sake, and the preservation of marriage do NOT archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:00 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear strut design Lowell, I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I didn't write down what it did have... Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon. Cheers, Dan Pieti Lowell wrote: > > I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position , and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that folded,and dropped the right wing and prop, > The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will be back in the air soon. > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464 > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:40 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil plug tool Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty penny or 2 (or a case of good beer). The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane). The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts. All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes good common sense, but it's new to me. *All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed. Now, to go fly... Cheers, Dan Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil > plug off with a standard ratchet wrench: > > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:08 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or near to it) The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on the runway for traffic spacing purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on e runway at the same time this way. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> Larry, Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as light as they look, and how well do they work? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation Lowell made at Brodhead.... If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager to devour them... Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I > believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me > off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: amsafetyc@aol.com Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's things peogressing? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation Lowell made at Brodhead.... If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager to devour them... Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I > believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me > off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a crank extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop hub , standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made ,the less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd. The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel. This is a standard design, and is out for bids. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257735#257735 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_ext_185.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH From: Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com> Hi Jim: Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see them. Bill - A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or > near to it) > > The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on > the runway for traffic spacing > purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on > one runway at the same time this way. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc > > * > ============================================================* > >


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    Time: 07:13:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly
    do so.
    From: Max Hegler <MaxHegler@msn.com>
    On 8/16/09 6:47 AM, "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich@msn.com> > To: Ann & Jay <kaczmarowski5@msn.com>; Bob Welch <gumpr1@comcast.net>; Dick > Bunker <Dick.Bunker@mac.state.ma.us>; Bud Breault > <Roland.Breault@town.barnstable.ma.us>; bud coward <budcoward@bellsouth.net>; > Dave Chamberlain <Dave.Chamberlain@jacobs.com>; Dick Caldwell > <caldwell1150@verizon.net>; Frank Adley <FCADLEY@comcast.net>; Gardiner Mason > <airlion@bellsouth.net>; Gary Banks <getogeto@comcast.net>; George Rawlinson > <rawlin@shawneelink.net>; Pete Rawlinson <brenda01@shawneelink.net>; Phil > Riter <N2198N@verizon.net>; Sir Richard Epton <richard@loweusa.com>; heath > marsden <heathmarsden@comcast.net>; joe richardson <jrichardson@nec.edu>; LuLu > Richardson-Kramer <Lucky655@comcast.net>; Mike Tenney <rags.dux@verizon.net>; > Paul Rood <parood@comcast.net>; Rick King <yoyoma@comcast.net>; Steve Adams > <SAdams8027@aol.com>; "McAuliffe, Wayne -W" <MCAULIFFE@Telephonics.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM > Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> : I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WHEN A SOLDIER COMES HOME >> This email is being circulated around the world - please keep it >> going. >> >> >> When a soldier comes home, he finds it hard.... >> >> >> ....to listen to his son whine about being bored. >> >> >> ....to keep a straight face when people complain about potholes. >> >> >> >> ....to be tolerant of people who complain >> about the hassle of getting ready for work. >> >> >> >> >> >> ....to be understanding when a co-worker complains about a bad night's >> sleep. >> >> >> ....to be silent when people pray to God for a new car. >> >> >> >> >> ....to control his panic when his wife tells him he needs to drive >> slower. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ....to be compassionate when a businessman expresses a fear of flying. >> >> >> ....to keep from laughing when anxious parents say >> they're afraid to send their kids off to summer camp. >> >> >> >> ....to keep from ridiculing someone who complains about hot weather. >> >> >> >> ....to control his frustration when a colleague gripes about his coffee >> being cold. >> >> >> >> ....to remain calm when his daughter complains about having to walk the >> dog. >> >> >> >> ....to be civil to people who complain about their jobs.< /span> >> >> >> >> ....to just walk away when someone says they >> only get two weeks of vacation a year. >> >> >> >> ....to be forgiving when someone says how >> hard it is to have a new baby in the house. >> >> >> The only thing harder than being a Soldier.... >> >> >> Is loving one. >> >> >> >> >> >> I was asked to pass this on and I will gladly do so. >> >> Will you??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>


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    Time: 07:13:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly
    do so.
    From: Max Hegler <MaxHegler@msn.com>
    On 8/16/09 6:47 AM, "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich@msn.com> > To: Ann & Jay <kaczmarowski5@msn.com>; Bob Welch <gumpr1@comcast.net>; Dick > Bunker <Dick.Bunker@mac.state.ma.us>; Bud Breault > <Roland.Breault@town.barnstable.ma.us>; bud coward <budcoward@bellsouth.net>; > Dave Chamberlain <Dave.Chamberlain@jacobs.com>; Dick Caldwell > <caldwell1150@verizon.net>; Frank Adley <FCADLEY@comcast.net>; Gardiner Mason > <airlion@bellsouth.net>; Gary Banks <getogeto@comcast.net>; George Rawlinson > <rawlin@shawneelink.net>; Pete Rawlinson <brenda01@shawneelink.net>; Phil > Riter <N2198N@verizon.net>; Sir Richard Epton <richard@loweusa.com>; heath > marsden <heathmarsden@comcast.net>; joe richardson <jrichardson@nec.edu>; LuLu > Richardson-Kramer <Lucky655@comcast.net>; Mike Tenney <rags.dux@verizon.net>; > Paul Rood <parood@comcast.net>; Rick King <yoyoma@comcast.net>; Steve Adams > <SAdams8027@aol.com>; "McAuliffe, Wayne -W" <MCAULIFFE@Telephonics.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM > Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> : I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WHEN A SOLDIER COMES HOME >> This email is being circulated around the world - please keep it >> going. >> >> >> When a soldier comes home, he finds it hard.... >> >> >> ....to listen to his son whine about being bored. >> >> >> ....to keep a straight face when people complain about potholes. >> >> >> >> ....to be tolerant of people who complain >> about the hassle of getting ready for work. >> >> >> >> >> >> ....to be understanding when a co-worker complains about a bad night's >> sleep. >> >> >> ....to be silent when people pray to God for a new car. >> >> >> >> >> ....to control his panic when his wife tells him he needs to drive >> slower. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ....to be compassionate when a businessman expresses a fear of flying. >> >> >> ....to keep from laughing when anxious parents say >> they're afraid to send their kids off to summer camp. >> >> >> >> ....to keep from ridiculing someone who complains about hot weather. >> >> >> >> ....to control his frustration when a colleague gripes about his coffee >> being cold. >> >> >> >> ....to remain calm when his daughter complains about having to walk the >> dog. >> >> >> >> ....to be civil to people who complain about their jobs.< /span> >> >> >> >> ....to just walk away when someone says they >> only get two weeks of vacation a year. >> >> >> >> ....to be forgiving when someone says how >> hard it is to have a new baby in the house. >> >> >> The only thing harder than being a Soldier.... >> >> >> Is loving one. >> >> >> >> >> >> I was asked to pass this on and I will gladly do so. >> >> Will you??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>


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    Time: 07:15:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly
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    From: Max Hegler <MaxHegler@msn.com>
    Double oops... Having participated in every conflict beginning with Vietnam, I appreciated the support the troops are receiving from mainstream America. That being said, I believe this type of emails should be sent to all your friends if you choose to do so, but left off users groups like this one. Take Care, Max On 8/16/09 6:47 AM, "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich@msn.com> > To: Ann & Jay <kaczmarowski5@msn.com>; Bob Welch <gumpr1@comcast.net>; Dick > Bunker <Dick.Bunker@mac.state.ma.us>; Bud Breault > <Roland.Breault@town.barnstable.ma.us>; bud coward <budcoward@bellsouth.net>; > Dave Chamberlain <Dave.Chamberlain@jacobs.com>; Dick Caldwell > <caldwell1150@verizon.net>; Frank Adley <FCADLEY@comcast.net>; Gardiner Mason > <airlion@bellsouth.net>; Gary Banks <getogeto@comcast.net>; George Rawlinson > <rawlin@shawneelink.net>; Pete Rawlinson <brenda01@shawneelink.net>; Phil > Riter <N2198N@verizon.net>; Sir Richard Epton <richard@loweusa.com>; heath > marsden <heathmarsden@comcast.net>; joe richardson <jrichardson@nec.edu>; LuLu > Richardson-Kramer <Lucky655@comcast.net>; Mike Tenney <rags.dux@verizon.net>; > Paul Rood <parood@comcast.net>; Rick King <yoyoma@comcast.net>; Steve Adams > <SAdams8027@aol.com>; "McAuliffe, Wayne -W" <MCAULIFFE@Telephonics.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM > Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> : I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WHEN A SOLDIER COMES HOME >> This email is being circulated around the world - please keep it >> going. >> >> >> When a soldier comes home, he finds it hard.... >> >> >> ....to listen to his son whine about being bored. >> >> >> ....to keep a straight face when people complain about potholes. >> >> >> >> ....to be tolerant of people who complain >> about the hassle of getting ready for work. >> >> >> >> >> >> ....to be understanding when a co-worker complains about a bad night's >> sleep. >> >> >> ....to be silent when people pray to God for a new car. >> >> >> >> >> ....to control his panic when his wife tells him he needs to drive >> slower. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ....to be compassionate when a businessman expresses a fear of flying. >> >> >> ....to keep from laughing when anxious parents say >> they're afraid to send their kids off to summer camp. >> >> >> >> ....to keep from ridiculing someone who complains about hot weather. >> >> >> >> ....to control his frustration when a colleague gripes about his coffee >> being cold. >> >> >> >> ....to remain calm when his daughter complains about having to walk the >> dog. >> >> >> >> ....to be civil to people who complain about their jobs.< /span> >> >> >> >> ....to just walk away when someone says they >> only get two weeks of vacation a year. >> >> >> >> ....to be forgiving when someone says how >> hard it is to have a new baby in the house. >> >> >> The only thing harder than being a Soldier.... >> >> >> Is loving one. >> >> >> >> >> >> I was asked to pass this on and I will gladly do so. >> >> Will you??? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>


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    Time: 08:05:33 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: update
    Good luck, John. That engine should work out very well, and it'll be interesting to see the final #'s when she gets flying. "...I got a line on a surplus Liberty...all it takes is money..." Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update Well after the disassenbly and cleaning of all 0235 engine parts, I loaded the into the Jimmy and hauled the off. I took then to a service hangar about 2 hours away for inspection, magnaflix and machining. The engine came out of a nosed over piper colt that had been sitting for years and has some internal corrosion in the valve train mostly. The rest of the insides look really good with near zero runout. I am hoping for a clean bill of health and a regrind on the cam at worst. The engine has 2200TT and 600hrs SMOH so its been through one cycle and should have a bunch of life left in her. I should find out the news next week John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/14/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-08-14&Archive=Pietenpol Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2009-08-14&Archive=Pietenpol =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/14/09: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: passenger criteria (gcardinal) 2. 07:17 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 3. 07:56 AM - Re: Under wing float gauges (K5YAC) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (TulsaFlyer) 5. 08:47 AM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt) 6. 09:49 AM - 612 airfoil advantages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 9. 10:18 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 10:20 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Tim Willis) 12. 11:37 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Dan Yocum) 13. 11:45 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (Dan Yocum) 14. 12:09 PM - Re: oil plug tool (Dan Yocum) 15. 12:20 PM - what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 16. 12:21 PM - beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 17. 06:17 PM - A question for Larry Williams (John Fay) 18. 06:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mark Roberts) 19. 07:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (amsafetyc@aol.com) 20. 07:43 PM - Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti Lowell) 21. 09:41 PM - Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Bill Princell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:20 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria Yes, sometimes I take passengers who are "less photogenic" but I'll spare everyone the pictures........ Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passengers, in that they must all be: 1) Female 2) Young 3) Pretty There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those rules-despite my best efforts in trying to be self-disciplined. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:14 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet line. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Under wing float gauges From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our build. You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the sanding, sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to hang mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ... more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time. As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in early July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to deliver anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other orders. One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused further delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way." Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my freight fee. Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project. Happy building! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257641#257641 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear strut design From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1@netzero.net> Lowell, Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA? Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the only one who was blown off the runway. Jody Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257642#257642 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:45 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Talk to Oiete Lowell. He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil. On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # > 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you > please contact me off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:37 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Corky-this airfoil does better outside snaps than the Pietenpol airfoil if that is any help to you. Do not archive The Yankee Boy (as I sign my offlist e-mails to Uncle Corky) (I can hear him saying "that smart ass nawtherner") do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:35 AM PST US From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry Now I see what you are trying to do. Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space: -- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height; -- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the cross-support under the panel and the panel itself; -- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it up, and add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top longerons between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the strength you need. But before you get that far: -- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX for reference. -- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will actually be; -- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit. Con- speaking against the plan: -- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a hammock. If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing) ;).... thus: -- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's seat and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a 5-day hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead, but without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community). -- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub under the fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped down to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s, that I know) is about the right size. -- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This can hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap this to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set. -- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool weather flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front windshield for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he gets to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the windshield. He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft, like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing something else now.] However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem to know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as you would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s. After all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: skybachs <skybachs@yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry > > >Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse or flat to the floor). > >The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view. > >This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max? > >-------- >NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! >NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream >NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done >NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages You re building a plane with one wing, you're building a monoplane? Forget about the wings I can buttress the wings, what do ya think? Do not archive John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Gee thanks. I'll have to try it. BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between my ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:18 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) corky, Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some stuff he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email. Here is what he posted a year ago on this board: " From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> [Add to Address Book] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM Hi Curious: Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett since the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a complete overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30- U- 612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great performer. When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80% throttle, I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a head and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I clipped the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and has a 3/8 undercamber. With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the Lambert 90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you wont believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108 MPH. The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the wing, as per Riblitts computer read-out. By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a loop. Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion. Pieti Lowell" ======== Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet line. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:24 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever YA SURE YA BETCHA!! Sometimes I miss living in Minnesota... for heaven's sake, and the preservation of marriage do NOT archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:00 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear strut design Lowell, I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I didn't write down what it did have... Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon. Cheers, Dan Pieti Lowell wrote: > > I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position , and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that folded,and dropped the right wing and prop, > The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will be back in the air soon. > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464 > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:40 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil plug tool Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty penny or 2 (or a case of good beer). The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane). The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts. All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes good common sense, but it's new to me. *All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed. Now, to go fly... Cheers, Dan Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil > plug off with a standard ratchet wrench: > > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:08 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or near to it) The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on the runway for traffic spacing purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on e runway at the same time this way. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> Larry, Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as light as they look, and how well do they work? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation Lowell made at Brodhead.... If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager to devour them... Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I > believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me > off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: amsafetyc@aol.com Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's things peogressing? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation Lowell made at Brodhead.... If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager to devour them... Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I > believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me > off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a crank extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop hub , standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made ,the less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd. The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel. This is a standard design, and is out for bids. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257735#257735 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_ext_185.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH From: Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com> Hi Jim: Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see them. Bill - A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or > near to it) > > The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on > the runway for traffic spacing > purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on > one runway at the same time this way. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc > > * > ============================================================* > >


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    Time: 08:46:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: update
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Ezra, do you realize that if you're the first one to build an airplane that can do an outside loop and I'm the first one to fly one we could both be famous, would you like that, well would ya Ez? Thanks Gary I keep ya posted. And if it works out in my favor, well that would be a first and a hellofa deal for me. All to be revealed next week. Stay tuned for our next exciting episode. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: update Good luck, John. That engine should work out very well, and it'll be interesting to see the final #'s when she gets flying. "...I got a line on a surplus Liberty...all it takes is money..." Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update Well after the disassenbly and cleaning of all 0235 engine parts, I loaded the into the Jimmy and hauled the off. I took then to a service hangar about 2 hours away for inspection, magnaflix and machining. The engine came out of a nosed over piper colt that had been sitting for years and has some internal corrosion in the valve train mostly. The rest of the insides look really good with near zero runout. I am hoping for a clean bill of health and a regrind on the cam at worst. The engine has 2200TT and 600hrs SMOH so its been through one cycle and should have a bunch of life left in her. I should find out the news next week John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/14/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-08-14&Archive=Pietenpol Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2009-08-14&Archive=Pietenpol =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/14/09: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: passenger criteria (gcardinal) 2. 07:17 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 3. 07:56 AM - Re: Under wing float gauges (K5YAC) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (TulsaFlyer) 5. 08:47 AM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt) 6. 09:49 AM - 612 airfoil advantages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 9. 10:18 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com) 10. 10:20 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com) 11. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Tim Willis) 12. 11:37 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Dan Yocum) 13. 11:45 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (Dan Yocum) 14. 12:09 PM - Re: oil plug tool (Dan Yocum) 15. 12:20 PM - what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 16. 12:21 PM - beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 17. 06:17 PM - A question for Larry Williams (John Fay) 18. 06:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mark Roberts) 19. 07:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (amsafetyc@aol.com) 20. 07:43 PM - Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti Lowell) 21. 09:41 PM - Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Bill Princell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:20 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria Yes, sometimes I take passengers who are "less photogenic" but I'll spare everyone the pictures........ Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting passengers, in that they must all be: 1) Female 2) Young 3) Pretty There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those rules-despite my best efforts in trying to be self-disciplined. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:14 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet line. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Under wing float gauges From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our build. You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the sanding, sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to hang mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ... more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time. As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in early July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to deliver anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other orders. One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused further delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way." Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my freight fee. Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project. Happy building! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257641#257641 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear strut design From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1@netzero.net> Lowell, Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA? Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the only one who was blown off the runway. Jody Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257642#257642 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:45 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Talk to Oiete Lowell. He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil. On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # > 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you > please contact me off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:37 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Corky-this airfoil does better outside snaps than the Pietenpol airfoil if that is any help to you. Do not archive The Yankee Boy (as I sign my offlist e-mails to Uncle Corky) (I can hear him saying "that smart ass nawtherner") do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:35 AM PST US From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry Now I see what you are trying to do. Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space: -- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height; -- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the cross-support under the panel and the panel itself; -- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it up, and add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top longerons between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the strength you need. But before you get that far: -- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX for reference. -- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will actually be; -- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit. Con- speaking against the plan: -- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a hammock. If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing) ;).... thus: -- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's seat and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a 5-day hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead, but without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community). -- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub under the fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped down to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s, that I know) is about the right size. -- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This can hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap this to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set. -- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool weather flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front windshield for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he gets to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the windshield. He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft, like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing something else now.] However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem to know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as you would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s. After all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: skybachs <skybachs@yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry > > >Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse or flat to the floor). > >The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view. > >This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max? > >-------- >NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying! >NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream >NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done >NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages You re building a plane with one wing, you're building a monoplane? Forget about the wings I can buttress the wings, what do ya think? Do not archive John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Gee thanks. I'll have to try it. BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between my ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:18 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) corky, Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some stuff he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email. Here is what he posted a year ago on this board: " From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> [Add to Address Book] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM Hi Curious: Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett since the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a complete overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30- U- 612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great performer. When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80% throttle, I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a head and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I clipped the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and has a 3/8 undercamber. With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the Lambert 90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you wont believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108 MPH. The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the wing, as per Riblitts computer read-out. By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a loop. Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion. Pieti Lowell" ======== Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet line. Thanks Corky ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:24 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever YA SURE YA BETCHA!! Sometimes I miss living in Minnesota... for heaven's sake, and the preservation of marriage do NOT archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:00 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear strut design Lowell, I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I didn't write down what it did have... Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon. Cheers, Dan Pieti Lowell wrote: > > I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position , and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that folded,and dropped the right wing and prop, > The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will be back in the air soon. > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464 > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:40 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil plug tool Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty penny or 2 (or a case of good beer). The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane). The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts. All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes good common sense, but it's new to me. *All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed. Now, to go fly... Cheers, Dan Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil > plug off with a standard ratchet wrench: > > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:08 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or near to it) The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on the runway for traffic spacing purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on e runway at the same time this way. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> Larry, Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as light as they look, and how well do they work? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation Lowell made at Brodhead.... If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager to devour them... Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I > believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me > off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) From: amsafetyc@aol.com Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's things peogressing? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation Lowell made at Brodhead.... If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager to devour them... Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote: > Pieters, > > May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I > believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me > off Piet line. > Thanks > Corky > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a crank extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop hub , standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made ,the less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd. The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel. This is a standard design, and is out for bids. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257735#257735 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_ext_185.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH From: Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com> Hi Jim: Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see them. Bill - A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or > near to it) > > The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on > the runway for traffic spacing > purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on > one runway at the same time this way. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc > > * > ============================================================* > >


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    Time: 09:48:42 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: nicely finished Piets
    Just to clear one thing up: I'm not in favor of sloppy building, hurried construction, lack of attention to detail, and most of all not in favor of unsafe or dime-store materials on airplanes. I'm also not in favor of lowering the standards just to get more airplanes in the air. Not at all. They say that the best way to train people to recognize counterfeit money is not to have them examine lots of different examples of "funny money" but to give them fresh, real currency and let them familiarize themselves with the look, feel, and smell of the real thing. Go look at, touch, smell, and take careful notice of Mike Cuy's, Greg Cardinal's, Jack Phillips', Don Emch's, and similar airplanes and you will get a feel for what a real Piet is. From there, you will easily be able to spot the counterfeits. In fact, the bad and the ugly ones will almost jump out at you as you examine the fittings, fabric work, and other construction details. Then there's the lesson my calculus teacher gave us. In explaining the concept of 'dx' and how fine an increment must be taken as the increment dx approaches infinity, he pointed out that there is also the matter of practicality. He used the example of approaching a young lady to give her a kiss. If one approaches by half the remaining distance with each attempt, in theory one will never actually get to the young lady. But, his point was, you will be close enough for all practical purposes. So it is with the fit and finish of Air Camper 41CC: close enough for all practical purposes. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 10:57:16 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help?
    The Piet here is still a work in process, but speaking of finish... the under surface of the center wing? As many Piets as I have seen, I should be able to answer this, but I don't think that I have ever looked at this surface. The plans call for a thin sheet of plywood for the bottom of the center wing. How are you all finishing that? Are you covering in fabric, painting it, or what? I have varnish on my plywood already-- both sides-- to seal it from moisture, etc. If I decide I want to paint it, say with spray Krylon, do you think that would be appropriate; e.g., will it stick, if first sanded and primered? (The varnish is glossy Ace spar varnish.) I know to try only a little spot, but I am looking for opinions first. Have I screwed up putting on the varnish, if paint is the final finish? And what about finish and materials for the rest of the center wing? I am going to have a flop and a baggage compartment. The lid for the baggage compartment will be aluminum (not yet installed). I know how to finish that. For the rest, I have a plywood leading edge that actually goes from the top of the front spar to its bottom, and it is varnished. I am thinking of using similar 1.5 mm ply for the other surfaces on the center wing (the flop and the stubs), for they will get some handling and maybe some beating up. While I'd love to make my plane look like Dick Navritil's, an all-wood look, in fact most of it will be painted a light color (TX sun). (BTW, I know that if I head toward fabric on any of this, if using Polyfiber finishes, I should likely put epoxy varnish on anything that the Poly processes will touch. I have already done that to the ribs.) Thanks, Tim in central TX


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    Time: 12:11:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: nicely finished Piets
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Oscar I think the thread has gone a miss. There is a definitive difference between a proven classic and wisdom wrinkles and slipshod workmanship and substandard materials. One has earned its place; and for the other, there is no place in aviation. I suspect we can all agree on that point and from your posts I doubt anyone would or could accuse you of poor quality materials or workmanship. That is with the exception or fools that have not had the pleasure of reading your posts. John ------Original Message------ From: Oscar Zuniga Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: Aug 16, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets Just to clear one thing up: I'm not in favor of sloppy building, hurried construction, lack of attention to detail, and most of all not in favor of unsafe or dime-store materials on airplanes. I'm also not in favor of lowering the standards just to get more airplanes in the air. Not at all. They say that the best way to train people to recognize counterfeit money is not to have them examine lots of different examples of "funny money" but to give them fresh, real currency and let them familiarize themselves with the look, feel, and smell of the real thing. Go look at, touch, smell, and take careful notice of Mike Cuy's, Greg Cardinal's, Jack Phillips', Don Emch's, and similar airplanes and you will get a feel for what a real Piet is. From there, you will easily be able to spot the counterfeits. In fact, the bad and the ugly ones will almost jump out at you as you examine the fittings, fabric work, and other construction details. Then there's the lesson my calculus teacher gave us. In explaining the concept of 'dx' and how fine an increment must be taken as the increment dx approaches infinity, he pointed out that there is also the matter of practicality. He used the example of approaching a young lady to give her a kiss. If one approaches by half the remaining distance with each attempt, in theory one will never actually get to the young lady. But, his point was, you will be close enough for all practical purposes. So it is with the fit and finish of Air Camper 41CC: close enough for all practical purposes. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 12:55:17 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: wing CC bottom material/covering
    Tim-- I sheathed my wing CC in 1/8" birch plywood and it has held up well to the tents, sleeping bag, oil, rags, and such that I've put in there on trips over the year---including a nice folding chair. I did the basic center section but cut out the center rib for storage--I left the backbone of the bottom of the CC rib bottom in the CC to help glue the 1/8" birch plywood and keep it's shape but otherwise--cut the thing out for storage purposes just like you would do if you were putting a fuel tank up there. Mike C


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    Time: 01:23:33 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update
    That sounds like very good news John about your engine and I think with today's pilot and passenger weights that the 0-235 (approx 108 hp) would be a fantastic choice (as is the 0-200) for your airplane to safely haul around yourself and a passenger. I, am one, envious of your extra power. Good for you---great choice of engines. Mike C.


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    Time: 02:22:58 PM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels
    and new Piets on the horizon Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet with Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a wild > (but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the newer Piets at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along > nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others. Great stuff-- keep them coming guys ! > Wait... what? You've seen Dan's paint job? Where at?!?? Did I miss something? Dang it, now I have to go search the archives... Cheers, Dan PS - Dan H., I ran across something tucked away in a dresser drawer yesterday that I want to give you. It's nothing big, just a little trinket that'll go along fairly well, though not perfectly, with your plane (it's only from the 1940's). I stuck it in the glove box of N8031 so when I come out to C37 to fill the tank I'll drop it by. It was my grandfathers. I'll say this - it has something to do with your engine choice and Minnesota... ;-) -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.


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    Time: 03:38:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Actually the 0235 c1b engine is a 6.75:1 low compression engine that develops 115 hp at 2800 rpm with a climb pitched prop I should be in pretty good shape. Especially for those that are able to fit in the front hole. At least that's the plan. John ------Original Message------ From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: Aug 16, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update That sounds like very good news John about your engine and I think with today's pilot and passenger weights that the 0-235 (approx 108 hp) would be a fantastic choice (as is the 0-200) for your airplane to safely haul around yourself and a passenger. I, am one, envious of your extra power. Good for you---great choice of engines. Mike C. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 03:56:46 PM PST US
    Subject: skid ball
    From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano@att.net>
    I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good buys out there? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258067#258067


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    Time: 04:00:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: wood packages
    From: Don Rucker <donrucker.ctg@gmail.com>
    Thanks for the reply but for some reason your email came across as code and not text. 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    Time: 04:12:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Thanks
    From: Don Rucker <donrucker.ctg@gmail.com>
    Many thanks to all that replied to my question about wood packages. The Piet community really seems like a great group of folks. Hope to meet some of you in the future. Thanks, Don


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    Time: 04:41:44 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help?
    I covered mine with fabric. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help? <timothywillis@earthlink.net> The Piet here is still a work in process, but speaking of finish... the under surface of the center wing? As many Piets as I have seen, I should be able to answer this, but I don't think that I have ever looked at this surface. The plans call for a thin sheet of plywood for the bottom of the center wing. How are you all finishing that? Are you covering in fabric, painting it, or what? I have varnish on my plywood already-- both sides-- to seal it from moisture, etc. If I decide I want to paint it, say with spray Krylon, do you think that would be appropriate; e.g., will it stick, if first sanded and primered? (The varnish is glossy Ace spar varnish.) I know to try only a little spot, but I am looking for opinions first. Have I screwed up putting on the varnish, if paint is the final finish? And what about finish and materials for the rest of the center wing? I am going to have a flop and a baggage compartment. The lid for the baggage compartment will be aluminum (not yet installed). I know how to finish that. For the rest, I have a plywood leading edge that actually goes from the top of the front spar to its bottom, and it is varnished. I am thinking of using similar 1.5 mm ply for the other surfaces on the center wing (the flop and the stubs), for they will get some handling and maybe some beating up. While I'd love to make my plane look like Dick Navritil's, an all-wood look, in fact most of it will be painted a light color (TX sun). (BTW, I know that if I head toward fabric on any of this, if using Polyfiber finishes, I should likely put epoxy varnish on anything that the Poly processes will touch. I have already done that to the ribs.) Thanks, Tim in central TX


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    Time: 04:43:16 PM PST US
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Anybody heard from the ATL gang?
    - Seems like there was a whirlwind of posts on the progress of the "Bunch O' Piets" being readied in ATL. There was even speculation that they might dar ken the skies for the 80th gaggle at B'head and OSH. Have I missed somethin g or are they MIA?? Anybody heard-word on their efforts lately? - Larry=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 04:47:19 PM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: skid ball
    Just tape an 8 inch piece of yarn on the top centerline of the cowling. You can't get any cheaper than that. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:55:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: skid ball I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good buys out there? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258067#258067


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    Time: 05:08:57 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: skid ball
    ...or like my Dad's instructor used to yell, "WHAT CHEEK OF YOUR _SS ARE YOU SITTING ON NOW?" Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: skid ball Just tape an 8 inch piece of yarn on the top centerline of the cowling. You can't get any cheaper than that. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:55:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: skid ball I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good buys out there? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258067#258067


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    Time: 05:41:41 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Anybody heard from the ATL gang?
    They ain't ready yet, and I think they are smart to not have made a big push and try to get to Brodhead and Oshkash before they were ready. My guess is we'll see a big gaggle of Piets (or a gaggle of Big Piets) at Sun 'n' Fun next April. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anybody heard from the ATL gang? Seems like there was a whirlwind of posts on the progress of the "Bunch O' Piets" being readied in ATL. There was even speculation that they might darken the skies for the 80th gaggle at B'head and OSH. Have I missed something or are they MIA?? Anybody heard word on their efforts lately? Larry


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    Time: 05:48:02 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: skid ball
    The only one I could find is sold by Wicks. > >I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a >complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good >buys out there? Raymond >


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    Time: 05:54:31 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: skid ball
    I went to a salvage instrument/avionics dealer at Sun 'n' Fun and bought a broken turn and bank indicator for $7.50. I took the back off, threw away the broken (and heavy) gyroscope, and just mounted the face on the instrument panel of the front cockpit, since what I wanted was just a ball for the front seat. I bought a serviceable vacuum driven turn and bank for the rear panel and drive it with a 4" venturi mounted under the floorboard. It has saved my bacon more than once when I couldn't outclimb clouds and I was IFR for a few seconds. For that one I paid $22. Cheap insurance. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: skid ball The only one I could find is sold by Wicks. > >I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a >complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good >buys out there? Raymond >


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    Time: 06:53:45 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: skid ball
    Raymond; I've heard that you can make your own slip-skid ball using clear tubing, a ball bearing, and kerosene. I guess you could blacken the ball bearing using Drano or whatever it is they use to blacken steel, or just leave it shiny. Clear plastic tubing, or if you want to get fancy, use acrylic tubing. You could probably plug the ends by threading them and then screwing in plugs, or just JB Weld it shut. But the simple one from Wicks is only $26 and is a "real" slip-skid instrument. Used to be that you could get a simple plastic slip-skid ball from the ultralight parts dealers like Lockwood Aviation or LEAF, but they don't seem to handle those anymore. I guess everybody is making coordinated turns these days, or airplanes don't need rudders anymore. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 08:35:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: skid ball
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>
    I think I found just what you and I are looking for..... check the attached screen capture. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258120#258120 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a29_180.jpg


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    Time: 08:49:18 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
    I've got a question for you metallurgists. I'm doing some work on my airplane's engine (A-75) and have the cylinders apart. I sandblasted a couple of the valve springs today to remove baked on carbon...it really isn't necessary as it is a very thin layer and doesn't affect anything, but they look clean when they are done. Anyway, I started wondering if I could have affected the fatigue strength (fatigue limit?) of the spring via superficial work hardening, increased surface roughness or something else that I know nothing about. The surface of the springs doesn't appear pitted to the naked eye, but it does have a clean but dull finish created by the sandblasting, so the surface roughness has been increased. I know it may be impossible to say without having any definite facts (type of steel, actual change to surface, etc.), but anyway, what is your best guess? Would you say this likely would, would not, or might affect the fatigue strength of a valve spring? Thanks for any input! Steve Ruse Norman, OK


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    Time: 08:57:09 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: skid ball
    Thanks for the lead, Jerry! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear (13 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: skid ball I think I found just what you and I are looking for..... check the attached screen capture. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258120#258120 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a29_180.jpg


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    Time: 10:40:52 PM PST US
    Subject: TGWP on Encore
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    TGWP is on the Encore Love channel right now. Hurry up and you can practice you lines! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258136#258136


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    Time: 11:52:56 PM PST US
    Subject: wing rib jig belongs to some one don't know who
    From: Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>
    Robert or Teresa B. I have a rib jig that you used on your plane that I can ship to the some one or back to you, don't know whether you'll still using this list or not if so post me an address to ship to. Russell




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