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1. 04:55 AM - Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. (airlion)
2. 05:22 AM - taking the project outside (Lawrence Williams)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon (amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: wood packages (amsafetyc@aol.com)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: nicely finished Piets (amsafetyc@aol.com)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: update (amsafetyc@aol.com)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. (Max Hegler)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. (Max Hegler)
9. 07:15 AM - Re: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so. (Max Hegler)
10. 08:05 AM - Re: update (Gary Boothe)
11. 08:46 AM - Re: update (amsafetyc@aol.com)
12. 09:48 AM - nicely finished Piets (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 10:57 AM - Re: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help? (Tim Willis)
14. 12:11 PM - Re: nicely finished Piets (amsafetyc@aol.com)
15. 12:55 PM - wing CC bottom material/covering (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 01:23 PM - John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 02:22 PM - Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and new Piets on the horizon (Dan Yocum)
18. 03:38 PM - Re: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update (amsafetyc@aol.com)
19. 03:56 PM - skid ball (skellytown flyer)
20. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: wood packages (Don Rucker)
21. 04:12 PM - Thanks (Don Rucker)
22. 04:41 PM - Re: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help? (Jack Phillips)
23. 04:43 PM - Anybody heard from the ATL gang? (Lawrence Williams)
24. 04:47 PM - Re: skid ball (airlion)
25. 05:08 PM - Re: skid ball (Gary Boothe)
26. 05:41 PM - Re: Anybody heard from the ATL gang? (Jack Phillips)
27. 05:48 PM - Re: skid ball (Jeff Boatright)
28. 05:54 PM - Re: skid ball (Jack Phillips)
29. 06:53 PM - skid ball (Oscar Zuniga)
30. 08:35 PM - Re: skid ball (Jerry Dotson)
31. 08:49 PM - Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (Steve Ruse)
32. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: skid ball (Gary Boothe)
33. 10:40 PM - TGWP on Encore (K5YAC)
34. 11:52 PM - wing rib jig belongs to some one don't know who (Robert Ray)
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Subject: | Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly |
do so.
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From: William E RICHARDSON <ainslierich@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM
Subject: Fw: I was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do so.
> : I
> was asked to keep this going, and I will gladly do
> so.
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>WHEN
> A SOLDIER COMES HOME
>This
> email is being circulated around the world -
> please keep it going.
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>When
> a soldier comes home, he finds it
> hard....
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> listen to his son whine about being
> bored.
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> keep a straight face when people complain about
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> be tolerant of people who
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> be understanding when a co-worker complains about a bad night's
> sleep.
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> control his panic when his wife tells him he needs to drive
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> be compassionate when a businessman expresses a fear of
> flying.
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> keep from laughing when anxious parents
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>they're
> afraid to send their kids off to summer
> camp.
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> keep from ridiculing someone who complains about hot
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>hard
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Subject: | taking the project outside |
I'm no historian but my recollection is that the Pavliga piet was the first
that was made to a higher standard of finish. I recall a few new ships in
that era that were not too pretty but seemed to serve their purpose. Funny
but none of those seem to show up anymore. Might have something to do with
making something worthwhile rather than just scratching the itch.
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On the other hand there have been a few museum-quality Piets that are so pe
rfect that the builder is-hesitant to fly it for fear of a ding or the da
unting task of dusting it off after the flight. No fun there.
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Yep, Frank P. Sr. did a whole lot with his talents. Building an icon with h
is son and publishing the REAL BPANewsletter for years is still netting res
ults. Grant MacLaren is another giant in the Pietenpol progression whose ef
forts have raised the bar. Both are missed (at least by me).
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The end result seems to be more and much better Air Campers for the world t
o enjoy.
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BTW, I put a new carb on my A and the cruise picked up 2-3 mph. My new head
is in the mail!!!- Can't wait. Problem is, as soon as I can keep up with
the C-65 crowd, they all go to 75's and 85's and even 0-200's. Is this som
e kind of conspiracy??
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"Grab your courage everybody 'cause this is flying weather".
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Larry W. xcg, xcmr, epp=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels and |
new Piets on the horizon
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Subject: | Re: wood packages |
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Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
During my travels I have always sought out builders and projects. I wanted to see
and learn from their work. Another of us builders had started that tradition
and I am proud to call him my friend.
On day we were both traveling and in the same area at the same time. I had arranged
to see a project at one of the near airports. My friend decided to join me(invite
himself) on the visit.
The builder showed us a fuse that was sitting in an obscure part of the hangar.
When our host was out of earshot my friend said " I came all the way here to
see this piece of shit" words I remember and use to motivate me to do better to
spend the extra hours to try to build better than I am capable of. I never want
anyone to say that about my project especially if I can do better.
Fortunately that wan not the work of our host just some guy who did poor work and
not capable or motivated to do better.
The work of our host was impeccable for which we were both happy to see.
I realize that the Piet I build is my Piet and I am building it for me but I would
prefer call it a nice build rather than a piece of shit.
Btwi that friend of mine frequents and posts to this board as a frequent and well
respected member of our community.
John
------Original Message------
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 15, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets
Nothing wrong with a rode-hard and put away wet Pietenpol at all in fact some of
my favorite airplanes are the dented
and faded planes at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Being glossy with chrome has
nothing to do with the safety and quality of
an airplane if the guts are made of home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue. I think
what I was saying is that some of the Pietenpols
that I saw early on in the late 80's when I first got into this deal looked downright
dangerous and the workmanship was that
of a 6th or 7th grade shop student who still was using a hand saw and not sanding
out the saw marks. I wouldn't let my ex wife
ride in one of those airplanes and that, in my opinion, give the airplane a bad
reputation--in general and thus the reason for my
taking pleasure in seeing the overall quality of workmanship keep getting better
and better in the Piet world.
Now go get your plane in shape for the 90th Anniversary Oscar when we'll be hobbling
around a bit more and talking about what
prescriptions we are on and how this aches and that hurts. After all, I don't
want my plane parked next to just any old heap:)))
Mike C.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Well after the disassenbly and cleaning of all 0235 engine parts, I loaded the
into the Jimmy and hauled the off. I took then to a service hangar about 2 hours
away for inspection, magnaflix and machining. The engine came out of a nosed
over piper colt that had been sitting for years and has some internal corrosion
in the valve train mostly.
The rest of the insides look really good with near zero runout. I am hoping for
a clean bill of health and a regrind on the cam at worst.
The engine has 2200TT and 600hrs SMOH so its been through one cycle and should
have a bunch of life left in her.
I should find out the news next week
John
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1. 04:26 AM - Re: passenger criteria (gcardinal)
2. 07:17 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Under wing float gauges (K5YAC)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (TulsaFlyer)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt)
6. 09:49 AM - 612 airfoil advantages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation])
7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 10:20 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Tim Willis)
12. 11:37 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Dan Yocum)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (Dan Yocum)
14. 12:09 PM - Re: oil plug tool (Dan Yocum)
15. 12:20 PM - what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 12:21 PM - beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 06:17 PM - A question for Larry Williams (John Fay)
18. 06:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mark Roberts)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (amsafetyc@aol.com)
20. 07:43 PM - Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti Lowell)
21. 09:41 PM - Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH (Bill
Princell)
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Time: 04:26:20 AM PST US
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
Yes, sometimes I take passengers who are "less photogenic" but I'll
spare everyone the pictures........
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of
me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting
passengers, in that they must all be:
1) Female
2) Young
3) Pretty
There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those
rules-despite my best efforts in trying
to be self-disciplined.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 07:17:14 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me off Piet line.
Thanks
Corky
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 07:56:26 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Under wing float gauges
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our build.
You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the sanding,
sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two
coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to hang
mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ...
more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking
like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time.
As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in early
July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to deliver
anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It
didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other orders.
One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would
be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused further
delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way."
Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my freight
fee.
Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project.
Happy building!
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257641#257641
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 08:02:25 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear strut design
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1@netzero.net>
Lowell,
Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA?
Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the only
one who was blown off the runway.
Jody
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257642#257642
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:47:45 AM PST US
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Talk to Oiete Lowell.
He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil.
On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil #
> 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you
> please contact me off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
>
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 09:49:37 AM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Corky-this airfoil does better outside snaps than the Pietenpol airfoil if
that is any help to you.
Do not archive
The Yankee Boy
(as I sign my offlist e-mails to Uncle Corky)
(I can hear him saying "that smart ass nawtherner")
do not archive
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 10:03:35 AM PST US
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
Now I see what you are trying to do.
Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space:
-- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height;
-- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the cross-support
under the panel and the panel itself;
-- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it up, and
add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the
usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top longerons
between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the
strength you need.
But before you get that far:
-- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX for reference.
-- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will actually
be;
-- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit.
Con- speaking against the plan:
-- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a hammock.
If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing)
;).... thus:
-- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's seat
and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a 5-day
hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some
clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead, but
without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you
can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community).
-- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub under the
fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in
that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped down
to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s,
that I know) is about the right size.
-- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This can
hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap this
to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set.
-- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool weather
flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front windshield
for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he gets
to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the windshield.
He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft,
like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing
something else now.]
However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem to
know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as you
would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s. After
all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: skybachs <skybachs@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
>
>
>Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of the fuse
or flat to the floor).
>
>The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping gear
when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably
sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open front
area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view.
>
>This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max?
>
>--------
>NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
>NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
>NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
>NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604
>
>
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
You re building a plane with one wing, you're building a monoplane?
Forget about the wings I can buttress the wings, what do ya think?
Do not archive
John
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Gee thanks. I'll have to try it.
BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in
Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between my
ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of
the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner.
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 10:20:18 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
corky,
Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some stuff
he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email.
Here is what he posted a year ago on this board:
"
From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> [Add to Address Book]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install
Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM
Hi Curious:
Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett since
the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a complete
overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30- U-
612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great performer.
When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80% throttle,
I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a head
and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I clipped
the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar
to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and has
a 3/8 undercamber.
With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the Lambert
90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you wont
believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108 MPH.
The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the wing,
as per Riblitts computer read-out.
By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a loop.
Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion.
Pieti Lowell"
========
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I believe
that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off Piet
line.
Thanks
Corky
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 11:37:24 AM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever
YA SURE YA BETCHA!!
Sometimes I miss living in Minnesota...
for heaven's sake, and the preservation of marriage
do NOT archive
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 11:45:00 AM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear strut design
Lowell,
I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me
that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a
Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I
didn't write down what it did have...
Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon.
Cheers,
Dan
Pieti Lowell wrote:
>
> I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during the EAA
landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct position
, and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right
gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned strut
was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that
folded,and dropped the right wing and prop,
> The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job. The
gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project. Will
be back in the air soon.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 12:09:40 PM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil plug tool
Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty
penny or 2 (or a case of good beer).
The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went
beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have
the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to
drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane).
The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice
and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety
wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why
shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap
right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to
and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it
to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on
itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts.
All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes
good common sense, but it's new to me.
*All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the
oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was
this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed.
Now, to go fly...
Cheers,
Dan
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil
> plug off with a standard ratchet wrench:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 12:20:08 PM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
near to it)
The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on
the runway for traffic spacing
purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on
e runway at the same time this way.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 06:17:29 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams
From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com>
Larry,
Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as
light as they look, and how well do they work?
John Fay
in Peoria
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 06:35:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 07:06:56 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's things
peogressing?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 07:43:16 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs.
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a crank
extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop hub
, standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my
Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made ,the
less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd.
The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel.
This is a standard design, and is out for bids.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257735#257735
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_ext_185.jpg
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 09:41:06 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at
OSH
From: Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com>
Hi Jim:
Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see
them.
Bill -
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
> near to it)
>
> The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on
> the runway for traffic spacing
> purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on
> one runway at the same time this way.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
>
> *
> ============================================================*
>
>
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>> This email is being circulated around the world - please keep it
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>> ....to listen to his son whine about being bored.
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> Dave Chamberlain <Dave.Chamberlain@jacobs.com>; Dick Caldwell
> <caldwell1150@verizon.net>; Frank Adley <FCADLEY@comcast.net>; Gardiner Mason
> <airlion@bellsouth.net>; Gary Banks <getogeto@comcast.net>; George Rawlinson
> <rawlin@shawneelink.net>; Pete Rawlinson <brenda01@shawneelink.net>; Phil
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> Paul Rood <parood@comcast.net>; Rick King <yoyoma@comcast.net>; Steve Adams
> <SAdams8027@aol.com>; "McAuliffe, Wayne -W" <MCAULIFFE@Telephonics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:32:51 PM
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do so.
Double oops...
Having participated in every conflict beginning with Vietnam, I appreciated
the support the troops are receiving from mainstream America. That being
said, I believe this type of emails should be sent to all your friends if
you choose to do so, but left off users groups like this one.
Take Care,
Max
On 8/16/09 6:47 AM, "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Good luck, John. That engine should work out very well, and it'll be
interesting to see the final #'s when she gets flying.
"...I got a line on a surplus Liberty...all it takes is money..."
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update
Well after the disassenbly and cleaning of all 0235 engine parts, I loaded
the into the Jimmy and hauled the off. I took then to a service hangar
about 2 hours away for inspection, magnaflix and machining. The engine came
out of a nosed over piper colt that had been sitting for years and has some
internal corrosion in the valve train mostly.
The rest of the insides look really good with near zero runout. I am hoping
for a clean bill of health and a regrind on the cam at worst.
The engine has 2200TT and 600hrs SMOH so its been through one cycle and
should have a bunch of life left in her.
I should find out the news next week
John
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1. 04:26 AM - Re: passenger criteria (gcardinal)
2. 07:17 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Under wing float gauges (K5YAC)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (TulsaFlyer)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt)
6. 09:49 AM - 612 airfoil advantages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation])
7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 10:20 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Tim Willis)
12. 11:37 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Dan Yocum)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (Dan Yocum)
14. 12:09 PM - Re: oil plug tool (Dan Yocum)
15. 12:20 PM - what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 12:21 PM - beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
(Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 06:17 PM - A question for Larry Williams (John Fay)
18. 06:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mark Roberts)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (amsafetyc@aol.com)
20. 07:43 PM - Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti
Lowell)
21. 09:41 PM - Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
(Bill Princell)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 04:26:20 AM PST US
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
Yes, sometimes I take passengers who are "less photogenic" but I'll
spare everyone the pictures........
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of
me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting
passengers, in that they must all be:
1) Female
2) Young
3) Pretty
There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those
rules-despite my best efforts in trying
to be self-disciplined.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Time: 07:17:14 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me off Piet line.
Thanks
Corky
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Time: 07:56:26 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Under wing float gauges
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our
build.
You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the
sanding,
sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two
coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to
hang
mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ...
more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking
like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time.
As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in
early
July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to
deliver
anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It
didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other
orders.
One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would
be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused
further
delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way."
Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my
freight
fee.
Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project.
Happy building!
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Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257641#257641
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Time: 08:02:25 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear strut design
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1@netzero.net>
Lowell,
Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA?
Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the
only
one who was blown off the runway.
Jody
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257642#257642
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Time: 08:47:45 AM PST US
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Talk to Oiete Lowell.
He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil.
On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil #
> 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you
> please contact me off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
>
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Time: 09:49:37 AM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Corky-this airfoil does better outside snaps than the Pietenpol airfoil if
that is any help to you.
Do not archive
The Yankee Boy
(as I sign my offlist e-mails to Uncle Corky)
(I can hear him saying "that smart ass nawtherner")
do not archive
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Time: 10:03:35 AM PST US
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
Now I see what you are trying to do.
Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space:
-- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height;
-- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the
cross-support
under the panel and the panel itself;
-- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it
up, and
add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the
usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top
longerons
between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the
strength you need.
But before you get that far:
-- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX
for reference.
-- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will
actually
be;
-- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit.
Con- speaking against the plan:
-- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a
hammock.
If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing)
;).... thus:
-- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's
seat
and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a
5-day
hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some
clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead,
but
without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you
can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community).
-- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub
under the
fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in
that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped
down
to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s,
that I know) is about the right size.
-- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This
can
hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap
this
to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set.
-- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool
weather
flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front
windshield
for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he
gets
to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the
windshield.
He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft,
like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing
something else now.]
However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem
to
know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as
you
would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s.
After
all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: skybachs <skybachs@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
>
>
>Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of
the fuse
or flat to the floor).
>
>The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping
gear
when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably
sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open
front
area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view.
>
>This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max?
>
>--------
>NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
>NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
>NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
>NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
You re building a plane with one wing, you're building a monoplane?
Forget about the wings I can buttress the wings, what do ya think?
Do not archive
John
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Gee thanks. I'll have to try it.
BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in
Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between
my
ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of
the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner.
________________________________ Message 10
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Time: 10:20:18 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC
________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
corky,
Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some
stuff
he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email.
Here is what he posted a year ago on this board:
"
From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> [Add to Address Book]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install
Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM
Hi Curious:
Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett
since
the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a
complete
overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30-
U-
612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great
performer.
When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80%
throttle,
I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a
head
and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I
clipped
the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar
to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and
has
a 3/8 undercamber.
With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the
Lambert
90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you
wont
believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108
MPH.
The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the
wing,
as per Riblitts computer read-out.
By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a
loop.
Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion.
Pieti Lowell"
========
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
believe
that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off
Piet
line.
Thanks
Corky
________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 11:37:24 AM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever
YA SURE YA BETCHA!!
Sometimes I miss living in Minnesota...
for heaven's sake, and the preservation of marriage
do NOT archive
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 11:45:00 AM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear strut design
Lowell,
I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me
that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a
Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I
didn't write down what it did have...
Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon.
Cheers,
Dan
Pieti Lowell wrote:
>
> I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during
the EAA
landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct
position
, and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right
gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned
strut
was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that
folded,and dropped the right wing and prop,
> The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job.
The
gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project.
Will
be back in the air soon.
> Pieti Lowell
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 12:09:40 PM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil plug tool
Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty
penny or 2 (or a case of good beer).
The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went
beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have
the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to
drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane).
The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice
and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety
wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why
shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap
right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to
and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it
to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on
itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts.
All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes
good common sense, but it's new to me.
*All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the
oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was
this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed.
Now, to go fly...
Cheers,
Dan
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil
> plug off with a standard ratchet wrench:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 15
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Time: 12:20:08 PM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU
________________________________ Message 16
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Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
near to it)
The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on
the runway for traffic spacing
purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on
e runway at the same time this way.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
________________________________ Message 17
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Time: 06:17:29 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams
From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com>
Larry,
Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as
light as they look, and how well do they work?
John Fay
in Peoria
________________________________ Message 18
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Time: 06:35:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________ Message 19
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Time: 07:06:56 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's
things
peogressing?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________ Message 20
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Time: 07:43:16 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs.
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a
crank
extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop
hub
, standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my
Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made
,the
less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd.
The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel.
This is a standard design, and is out for bids.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257735#257735
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_ext_185.jpg
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Time: 09:41:06 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at
OSH
From: Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com>
Hi Jim:
Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see
them.
Bill -
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
> near to it)
>
> The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots
on
> the runway for traffic spacing
> purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on
> one runway at the same time this way.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
>
> *
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>
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Ezra, do you realize that if you're the first one to build an airplane that can
do an outside loop and I'm the first one to fly one we could both be famous,
would you like that, well would ya Ez?
Thanks Gary I keep ya posted. And if it works out in my favor, well that would
be a first and a hellofa deal for me.
All to be revealed next week. Stay tuned for our next exciting episode.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: update
Good luck, John. That engine should work out very well, and it'll be
interesting to see the final #'s when she gets flying.
"...I got a line on a surplus Liberty...all it takes is money..."
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update
Well after the disassenbly and cleaning of all 0235 engine parts, I loaded
the into the Jimmy and hauled the off. I took then to a service hangar
about 2 hours away for inspection, magnaflix and machining. The engine came
out of a nosed over piper colt that had been sitting for years and has some
internal corrosion in the valve train mostly.
The rest of the insides look really good with near zero runout. I am hoping
for a clean bill of health and a regrind on the cam at worst.
The engine has 2200TT and 600hrs SMOH so its been through one cycle and
should have a bunch of life left in her.
I should find out the news next week
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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1. 04:26 AM - Re: passenger criteria (gcardinal)
2. 07:17 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Under wing float gauges (K5YAC)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (TulsaFlyer)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: (no subject) (Roman Bukolt)
6. 09:49 AM - 612 airfoil advantages (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation])
7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit entry (Tim Willis)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 10:20 AM - Re: 612 airfoil advantages (Isablcorky@aol.com)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: (no subject) (Tim Willis)
12. 11:37 AM - Re: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever (Dan Yocum)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: Landing gear strut design (Dan Yocum)
14. 12:09 PM - Re: oil plug tool (Dan Yocum)
15. 12:20 PM - what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday (Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 12:21 PM - beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
(Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 06:17 PM - A question for Larry Williams (John Fay)
18. 06:35 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mark Roberts)
19. 07:06 PM - Re: (no subject) (amsafetyc@aol.com)
20. 07:43 PM - Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (Pieti
Lowell)
21. 09:41 PM - Re: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
(Bill Princell)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 04:26:20 AM PST US
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
Yes, sometimes I take passengers who are "less photogenic" but I'll
spare everyone the pictures........
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
So does Greg break down. I notice that he did not post a picture of
me, when I got my ride. Guess a guy has to try to protect his image.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:36 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passenger criteria
It appears you are adhering to the Mike Cuy criteria for selecting
passengers, in that they must all be:
1) Female
2) Young
3) Pretty
There are times though when I breakdown and make exceptions to those
rules-despite my best efforts in trying
to be self-disciplined.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 07:17:14 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me off Piet line.
Thanks
Corky
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 07:56:26 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Under wing float gauges
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Hey Jerry... sounds like you and I are pretty close to the same area in our
build.
You are right on the ribs... getting them built is one thing, then the
sanding,
sanding, sanding. I applied the polyurethane in batches of 5 ribs. Two
coats on 5 ribs took two evenings. Yep, lots of work. I was all ready to
hang
mine on the spars when I discovered that the rear spar fit was too snug ...
more sanding, sanding, sanding. I'll be glad to get the wing parts looking
like wings, but I'll just continue to take my time.
As for the wood package... I ordered mine in late May and received it in
early
July. They claim that it takes a week to cut the wood and 4-5 days to
deliver
anywhere in the country, so... 2 weeks, right? Mine took more like 5-6. It
didn't help matters that they kept taking stuff from my order to fill other
orders.
One day they would claim to have certain items filled, the next they would
be on BO... once my wood was cut and ready to ship, the BO items caused
further
delay. I told them, "cancel the BO items and get the wood on the way."
Kind of sucked because I was trying to make the most effective use of my
freight
fee.
Oh well, surely not the first or last snag in this project.
Happy building!
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257641#257641
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Time: 08:02:25 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear strut design
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1@netzero.net>
Lowell,
Will the photo Slick took aid in your defense any with the FAA?
Sure looks like it was totally unavoidable. And apparently you weren't the
only
one who was blown off the runway.
Jody
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257642#257642
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Time: 08:47:45 AM PST US
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Talk to Oiete Lowell.
He's the authority. his wing is the 612 airfoil.
On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil #
> 612, I believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you
> please contact me off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
>
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 09:49:37 AM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Corky-this airfoil does better outside snaps than the Pietenpol airfoil if
that is any help to you.
Do not archive
The Yankee Boy
(as I sign my offlist e-mails to Uncle Corky)
(I can hear him saying "that smart ass nawtherner")
do not archive
________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 10:03:35 AM PST US
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
Now I see what you are trying to do.
Pro-- Supporting this goal... to max the space:
-- Use a rudder bar and heel brakes, to get rid of any rudder pedal height;
-- Assuming you are camping under the instruments, raise (bow) the
cross-support
under the panel and the panel itself;
-- Consider that support a thwart (using your "canoe model"), and beef it
up, and
add rib (canue, again) strength in the U-pattern Mike Cuy described at the
usual bulkhead location, and finally add gunwales by doubling up the top
longerons
between and a few inches past the cabane struts. All this will restore the
strength you need.
But before you get that far:
-- Get out a tape measure and see what will really fit, using your NX29NX
for reference.
-- Make some cardboard templates to see what the spaces between members will
actually
be;
-- See if you and a hammock can fit. If in doubt, make a mockpit.
Con- speaking against the plan:
-- I don't think that you will find that you will fit on a mattress or in a
hammock.
If not, you should plan to sleep under a wing (yes, either a R or L wing)
;).... thus:
-- In BP's design, you can pack a large 50 pound rucksack in the passenger's
seat
and strap it in. This is everything you would carry on the trail for a
5-day
hike-- water and filtration, food, cooking, sleeping bag, 2-man tent, some
clothing change, toiletries. This is what many do for fly-ins and Brodhead,
but
without bringing all the food and cooking stuff, allowing room so that you
can have clean everything every day (and remain a credit to your community).
-- In addition, without dual controls, you laready have a big empty tub
under the
fuel tank and forward of the passenger's seat. You can screw down a box in
that space (removed, ergo, your seat at fly-ins), or put in a bag strapped
down
to tie-down fittings. An aviator's kit bag (US military, 1940s thru 1960s,
that I know) is about the right size.
-- Finally, you can add another aviator's kit bag on top of that one. This
can
hold a real queen size blow-up mattress with battery-powered pump. Strap
this
to the lower bag and the rucksack. Cover with your tonneau. You are set.
-- Others have front tonneau covers. This is a good idea, esp. in cool
weather
flying. Chuck Gantzer is fancier than that. He removes his front
windshield
for long trips and covers the front pit with an aluminum fairing. When he
gets
to the fly-in, he sets that stuff on the ground and re-installs the
windshield.
He told me that his fairing is hinged in the middle, running fore-and-aft,
like the hoods on 1920s cars. [This was three years ago-- maybe he is doing
something else now.]
However you do it, it will be interesting to see how it turns out. You seem
to
know what you are doing. Keep us informed. If you build it with a tub as
you
would like, add small portholes on each side, like Buicks of 1940-60s.
After
all, Buick started as a bath tub manufacturer.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: skybachs <skybachs@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 13, 2009 9:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: front cockpit entry
>
>
>Single set of controls, removable or foldable seat (against the side of
the fuse
or flat to the floor).
>
>The purpose of the bathtub arrangement is to have a ton of room for camping
gear
when flying single. With a hammock/cot sling arrangement, you could probably
sleep in it, too. When flying singly, a tonneau cover fits over the open
front
area of the bathtub leaving the front (and only) instrument panel in view.
>
>This is an Air Camper, after all...why not push its attributes to the max?
>
>--------
>NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
>NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
>NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
>NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257604#257604
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
You re building a plane with one wing, you're building a monoplane?
Forget about the wings I can buttress the wings, what do ya think?
Do not archive
John
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 10:18:49 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Gee thanks. I'll have to try it.
BTW I'm reading a new book about some fellow born in Ohio, raised in
Illinois who ordered some yankee troops around during the dispute between
my
ancestors and yourn. U S something. Seems he liked what I like at the end of
the day, booze not poontange you evil minded nawtherner.
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 10:20:18 AM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 612 airfoil advantages
Yep, Piet #3, NX411CC
________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
corky,
Lowell Frank (Pieti Lowell") is "the hammer" on Riblett. I'll send you some
stuff
he sent me, if I can find it, in a personal email.
Here is what he posted a year ago on this board:
"
From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> [Add to Address Book]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett install
Date: Jul 30, 2008 8:57 AM
Hi Curious:
Couldn't help noticing your concern, I have been in touch with H Riblett
since
the very early 90s and I sent him the Piet wing specs, he then gave me a
complete
overview of, Piet, 4412(Luscomb) and two recommended Riblett designs, GA 30-
U-
612, plus a thicker design, My second Piet had a 4412, clipped 2 ft. A great
performer.
When I installed a Werner 145 on my Blue Piet it would only go 105 MPH @ 80%
throttle,
I go much faster with the Werner in another airplane, so I decided to go a
head
and build the 612,( not to be confused with the 612 in Riblett's book ) I
clipped
the wing two feet, made a 3 piece, 6" hi spars, added the spacer on the spar
to rib, and built it the same as the Pitt. It is close to 5/8" higher and
has
a 3/8 undercamber.
With testing the comparison of the Piet to the Riblett wings, using the
Lambert
90HP engine, there is a very big difference. Even with the shorter wing, you
wont
believe the glide ratio, 42MPH stall, 600 FPM climb, and flat out speed 108
MPH.
The Piet wing has an air separation on the under side at the rear 20% of the
wing,
as per Riblitts computer read-out.
By the way the wing will pull close to 2.5 Gs at 120 MPH at the bottom of a
loop.
Got a lot of answers, if you need an opinion.
Pieti Lowell"
========
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Pieters,
May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
believe
that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact me off
Piet
line.
Thanks
Corky
________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 11:37:24 AM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Incentive to build, was Worst Movie Ever
YA SURE YA BETCHA!!
Sometimes I miss living in Minnesota...
for heaven's sake, and the preservation of marriage
do NOT archive
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 11:45:00 AM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear strut design
Lowell,
I finally ran into one of the regular crowd at Olson and he informed me
that the T-Craft I was referring to a couple weeks did not have a
Hamilton Standard prop. I'm absolutely horrible with names, and I
didn't write down what it did have...
Glad to hear your plane will be flying again, soon.
Cheers,
Dan
Pieti Lowell wrote:
>
> I have looked very carefully at my gear construction that failed during
the EAA
landing, the photo taken shows that all the controls were in the correct
position
, and tail wheel planted. The side load that hit put a load on the right
gear enough to collapse the lighter than specified tube and the redesigned
strut
was made to bypass the left strut at the cross-over.It was at this area that
folded,and dropped the right wing and prop,
> The engine wasn't damaged after complete disassembly, and Magniflux job.
The
gear assembly was NOT as per drawings, an item made, when I got the project.
Will
be back in the air soon.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257464#257464
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 12:09:40 PM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: oil plug tool
Wow, Oscar. That's a dandy oil plug tool. Musta cost you a pretty
penny or 2 (or a case of good beer).
The first 2 flights with my friend and CFI, Stefano, went
beautifully yesterday afternoon. This is a nice plane. I let him have
the controls and enjoyed the 15 minute ride (it almost killed me not to
drive, but I want him to be comfortable with the plane).
The oil change was completed with no hitches: I got some great advice
and "best practices." 8 turns/inch for the safety wire. The safety
wire should be the biggest that fits through the holes (but why
shred your fingers using .041 when .032 will work just fine). Wrap
right-hand turn between the nut and the thing you're safety-ing it to
and the left-hand turn on the back side of thing you're safety-ing it
to. Minimum of 1/2" of twists before cutting, then bend it back on
itself to prevent shredding your fingers on the sharp pointy parts.
All you A&P's out there have all this stuff down pat and it all makes
good common sense, but it's new to me.
*All* the nuts, brass or otherwise, are safety wired. Taking out the
oil probe wasn't nearly as stressful as I imagined - I thought it was
this little fragile thing that would break if I looked at it cross-eyed.
Now, to go fly...
Cheers,
Dan
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Couple of pix of the tool that I use to get the oil
> plug off with a standard ratchet wrench:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120001.JPG
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/PA120002.JPG
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________ Message 15
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Time: 12:20:08 PM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it looked like landing at Oshkosh Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7HFBg6qFdU
________________________________ Message 16
____________________________________
Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at OSH
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
near to it)
The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots on
the runway for traffic spacing
purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on on
e runway at the same time this way.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
________________________________ Message 17
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Time: 06:17:29 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question for Larry Williams
From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com>
Larry,
Could you fill me in about your brakes. Where did you get them, are they as
light as they look, and how well do they work?
John Fay
in Peoria
________________________________ Message 18
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Time: 06:35:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________ Message 19
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Time: 07:06:56 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
Hey mark how's it going? Haven't heard from ya in a while. What's news how's
things
peogressing?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
I too am hungry for some info on this, as I couldn't go to the presentation
Lowell made at Brodhead....
If anyone that was there could post the thoughts about this, I too am eager
to devour them...
Mark
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:40 AM, <Isablcorky@aol.com> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> May I hear from you on the pros and cons of the alternate airfoil # 612, I
> believe that's it. If anyone is flying this wing would you please contact
me
> off Piet line.
> Thanks
> Corky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________ Message 20
____________________________________
Time: 07:43:16 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs.
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
Would there be a number of Pietenpol builders that might interested in a
crank
extension for a Ford engine ? It will fit the standard 6 degree shaft, prop
hub
, standard on all aircraft engines, I have used this extension on all of my
Ford and Funk engines. I will produce this item in a CNC, so the more made
,the
less cost. The thread end, is now a 1-3/8"--18 EFT , Thd.
The weight is 5.5 Lbs, turned from mild steel.
This is a standard design, and is out for bids.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257735#257735
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_ext_185.jpg
________________________________ Message 21
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Time: 09:41:06 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: beautiful view from cockpit of landing on 27 at
OSH
From: Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com>
Hi Jim:
Here are some Oshkosh 2009 U-Tube landings. Thought you might like to see
them.
Bill -
A Piper Vagabond landing on the green dot on Runway 27 at Oshkosh. (or
> near to it)
>
> The controllers will ask you to land on one of several huge colored dots
on
> the runway for traffic spacing
> purposes. It is not uncommon to have two or three airplanes landing on
> one runway at the same time this way.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bsBlVm9eTc
>
> *
> ============================================================*
>
>
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Subject: | nicely finished Piets |
Just to clear one thing up: I'm not in favor of sloppy
building, hurried construction, lack of attention to
detail, and most of all not in favor of unsafe or
dime-store materials on airplanes. I'm also not in
favor of lowering the standards just to get more
airplanes in the air. Not at all.
They say that the best way to train people to recognize
counterfeit money is not to have them examine lots of
different examples of "funny money" but to give them
fresh, real currency and let them familiarize themselves
with the look, feel, and smell of the real thing.
Go look at, touch, smell, and take careful notice of
Mike Cuy's, Greg Cardinal's, Jack Phillips', Don Emch's,
and similar airplanes and you will get a feel for what
a real Piet is. From there, you will easily be able to
spot the counterfeits. In fact, the bad and the ugly
ones will almost jump out at you as you examine the
fittings, fabric work, and other construction details.
Then there's the lesson my calculus teacher gave us.
In explaining the concept of 'dx' and how fine an
increment must be taken as the increment dx approaches
infinity, he pointed out that there is also the matter
of practicality. He used the example of approaching
a young lady to give her a kiss. If one approaches by
half the remaining distance with each attempt, in theory
one will never actually get to the young lady. But, his
point was, you will be close enough for all practical
purposes. So it is with the fit and finish of Air Camper
41CC: close enough for all practical purposes.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help? |
The Piet here is still a work in process, but speaking of finish... the under surface
of the center wing?
As many Piets as I have seen, I should be able to answer this, but I don't think
that I have ever looked at this surface. The plans call for a thin sheet of
plywood for the bottom of the center wing. How are you all finishing that?
Are you covering in fabric, painting it, or what?
I have varnish on my plywood already-- both sides-- to seal it from moisture, etc.
If I decide I want to paint it, say with spray Krylon, do you think that
would be appropriate; e.g., will it stick, if first sanded and primered? (The
varnish is glossy Ace spar varnish.) I know to try only a little spot, but I
am looking for opinions first. Have I screwed up putting on the varnish, if
paint is the final finish?
And what about finish and materials for the rest of the center wing? I am going
to have a flop and a baggage compartment. The lid for the baggage compartment
will be aluminum (not yet installed). I know how to finish that. For the
rest, I have a plywood leading edge that actually goes from the top of the front
spar to its bottom, and it is varnished. I am thinking of using similar 1.5
mm ply for the other surfaces on the center wing (the flop and the stubs), for
they will get some handling and maybe some beating up. While I'd love to make
my plane look like Dick Navritil's, an all-wood look, in fact most of it will
be painted a light color (TX sun).
(BTW, I know that if I head toward fabric on any of this, if using Polyfiber finishes,
I should likely put epoxy varnish on anything that the Poly processes
will touch. I have already done that to the ribs.)
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
Oscar
I think the thread has gone a miss. There is a definitive difference between a
proven classic and wisdom wrinkles and slipshod workmanship and substandard
materials. One has earned its place; and for the other, there is no place in
aviation.
I suspect we can all agree on that point and from your posts I doubt anyone would
or could accuse you of poor quality materials or workmanship. That is with
the exception or fools that have not had the pleasure of reading your posts.
John
------Original Message------
From: Oscar Zuniga
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 16, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets
Just to clear one thing up: I'm not in favor of sloppy
building, hurried construction, lack of attention to
detail, and most of all not in favor of unsafe or
dime-store materials on airplanes. I'm also not in
favor of lowering the standards just to get more
airplanes in the air. Not at all.
They say that the best way to train people to recognize
counterfeit money is not to have them examine lots of
different examples of "funny money" but to give them
fresh, real currency and let them familiarize themselves
with the look, feel, and smell of the real thing.
Go look at, touch, smell, and take careful notice of
Mike Cuy's, Greg Cardinal's, Jack Phillips', Don Emch's,
and similar airplanes and you will get a feel for what
a real Piet is. From there, you will easily be able to
spot the counterfeits. In fact, the bad and the ugly
ones will almost jump out at you as you examine the
fittings, fabric work, and other construction details.
Then there's the lesson my calculus teacher gave us.
In explaining the concept of 'dx' and how fine an
increment must be taken as the increment dx approaches
infinity, he pointed out that there is also the matter
of practicality. He used the example of approaching
a young lady to give her a kiss. If one approaches by
half the remaining distance with each attempt, in theory
one will never actually get to the young lady. But, his
point was, you will be close enough for all practical
purposes. So it is with the fit and finish of Air Camper
41CC: close enough for all practical purposes.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC- A75 with Culver prop
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Subject: | wing CC bottom material/covering |
Tim-- I sheathed my wing CC in 1/8" birch plywood and it has held up well to the
tents, sleeping bag, oil, rags, and such that I've put in there on
trips over the year---including a nice folding chair.
I did the basic center section but cut out the center rib for storage--I left
the backbone of the bottom of the CC rib bottom in the CC to help glue the
1/8" birch plywood and keep it's shape but otherwise--cut the thing out for storage
purposes just like you would do if you were putting a fuel tank up there.
Mike C
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Subject: | John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update |
That sounds like very good news John about your engine and I think with today's
pilot and passenger weights that the 0-235 (approx 108 hp) would be a fantastic
choice (as is the 0-200) for your airplane to safely haul around yourself and a
passenger. I, am one, envious of your extra power. Good for you---great choice
of
engines.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Gary Boothe's landing gear/brake photos/ wheels |
and new Piets on the horizon
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> Dan Helsper's Piet appears to be a beauty in the making too and I will bet with
Dan's choices of colors he'll attract a younger crowd as it really is a wild
> (but to me a very attractive and unique) one. Can't wait to see the newer
Piets at Brodhead next year. Gene Rambo said that he's coming along
> nicely with his and might make it next year-- there are several others. Great
stuff-- keep them coming guys !
>
Wait... what? You've seen Dan's paint job? Where at?!?? Did I miss
something? Dang it, now I have to go search the archives...
Cheers,
Dan
PS - Dan H., I ran across something tucked away in a dresser drawer
yesterday that I want to give you. It's nothing big, just a little
trinket that'll go along fairly well, though not perfectly, with your
plane (it's only from the 1940's). I stuck it in the glove box of N8031
so when I come out to C37 to fill the tank I'll drop it by. It was my
grandfathers. I'll say this - it has something to do with your engine
choice and Minnesota... ;-)
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: | Re: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update |
Actually the 0235 c1b engine is a 6.75:1 low compression engine that develops 115
hp at 2800 rpm with a climb pitched prop I should be in pretty good shape.
Especially for those that are able to fit in the front hole.
At least that's the plan.
John
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 16, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Recine's 0-235 engine tear down update
That sounds like very good news John about your engine and I think with today's
pilot and passenger weights that the 0-235 (approx 108 hp) would be a fantastic
choice (as is the 0-200) for your airplane to safely haul around yourself and a
passenger. I, am one, envious of your extra power. Good for you---great choice
of
engines.
Mike C.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a complete instrument.just
the ball indicator.are there any real good buys out there? Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258067#258067
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Subject: | Re: wood packages |
Thanks for the reply but for some reason your email came across as code and
not text.
Don
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Many thanks to all that replied to my question about wood packages. The Piet
community really seems like a great group of folks. Hope to meet some of you
in the future.
Thanks,
Don
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Subject: | nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help? |
I covered mine with fabric.
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nicely finished Piets-- still WIP here-- help?
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
The Piet here is still a work in process, but speaking of finish... the
under surface of the center wing?
As many Piets as I have seen, I should be able to answer this, but I don't
think that I have ever looked at this surface. The plans call for a thin
sheet of plywood for the bottom of the center wing. How are you all
finishing that? Are you covering in fabric, painting it, or what?
I have varnish on my plywood already-- both sides-- to seal it from
moisture, etc. If I decide I want to paint it, say with spray Krylon, do
you think that would be appropriate; e.g., will it stick, if first sanded
and primered? (The varnish is glossy Ace spar varnish.) I know to try only
a little spot, but I am looking for opinions first. Have I screwed up
putting on the varnish, if paint is the final finish?
And what about finish and materials for the rest of the center wing? I am
going to have a flop and a baggage compartment. The lid for the baggage
compartment will be aluminum (not yet installed). I know how to finish
that. For the rest, I have a plywood leading edge that actually goes from
the top of the front spar to its bottom, and it is varnished. I am thinking
of using similar 1.5 mm ply for the other surfaces on the center wing (the
flop and the stubs), for they will get some handling and maybe some beating
up. While I'd love to make my plane look like Dick Navritil's, an all-wood
look, in fact most of it will be painted a light color (TX sun).
(BTW, I know that if I head toward fabric on any of this, if using Polyfiber
finishes, I should likely put epoxy varnish on anything that the Poly
processes will touch. I have already done that to the ribs.)
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Anybody heard from the ATL gang? |
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Seems like there was a whirlwind of posts on the progress of the "Bunch O'
Piets" being readied in ATL. There was even speculation that they might dar
ken the skies for the 80th gaggle at B'head and OSH. Have I missed somethin
g or are they MIA?? Anybody heard-word on their efforts lately?
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Larry=0A=0A=0A
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Just tape an 8 inch piece of yarn on the top centerline of the cowling. You can't
get any cheaper than that. Gardiner
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From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:55:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: skid ball
I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a complete instrument.just
the ball indicator.are there any real good buys out there? Raymond
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...or like my Dad's instructor used to yell, "WHAT CHEEK OF YOUR _SS ARE YOU
SITTING ON NOW?"
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: skid ball
Just tape an 8 inch piece of yarn on the top centerline of the cowling. You
can't get any cheaper than that. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:55:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: skid ball
I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a
complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good buys out
there? Raymond
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Subject: | Anybody heard from the ATL gang? |
They ain't ready yet, and I think they are smart to not have made a big push
and try to get to Brodhead and Oshkash before they were ready. My guess is
we'll see a big gaggle of Piets (or a gaggle of Big Piets) at Sun 'n' Fun
next April.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anybody heard from the ATL gang?
Seems like there was a whirlwind of posts on the progress of the "Bunch O'
Piets" being readied in ATL. There was even speculation that they might
darken the skies for the 80th gaggle at B'head and OSH. Have I missed
something or are they MIA?? Anybody heard word on their efforts lately?
Larry
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The only one I could find is sold by Wicks.
>
>I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a
>complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good
>buys out there? Raymond
>
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I went to a salvage instrument/avionics dealer at Sun 'n' Fun and bought a
broken turn and bank indicator for $7.50. I took the back off, threw away
the broken (and heavy) gyroscope, and just mounted the face on the
instrument panel of the front cockpit, since what I wanted was just a ball
for the front seat.
I bought a serviceable vacuum driven turn and bank for the rear panel and
drive it with a 4" venturi mounted under the floorboard. It has saved my
bacon more than once when I couldn't outclimb clouds and I was IFR for a few
seconds. For that one I paid $22. Cheap insurance.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: skid ball
The only one I could find is sold by Wicks.
>
>I'd like to find a cheap? skid slip ball. not really interested in a
>complete instrument.just the ball indicator.are there any real good
>buys out there? Raymond
>
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Raymond;
I've heard that you can make your own slip-skid ball
using clear tubing, a ball bearing, and kerosene. I
guess you could blacken the ball bearing using Drano
or whatever it is they use to blacken steel, or just
leave it shiny. Clear plastic tubing, or if you want
to get fancy, use acrylic tubing. You could probably
plug the ends by threading them and then screwing in
plugs, or just JB Weld it shut.
But the simple one from Wicks is only $26 and is a
"real" slip-skid instrument. Used to be that you
could get a simple plastic slip-skid ball from the
ultralight parts dealers like Lockwood Aviation or
LEAF, but they don't seem to handle those anymore. I
guess everybody is making coordinated turns these
days, or airplanes don't need rudders anymore.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I think I found just what you and I are looking for..... check the attached screen
capture.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
I've got a question for you metallurgists. I'm doing some work on my
airplane's engine (A-75) and have the cylinders apart. I sandblasted a
couple of the valve springs today to remove baked on carbon...it really
isn't necessary as it is a very thin layer and doesn't affect anything, but
they look clean when they are done. Anyway, I started wondering if I could
have affected the fatigue strength (fatigue limit?) of the spring via
superficial work hardening, increased surface roughness or something else
that I know nothing about.
The surface of the springs doesn't appear pitted to the naked eye, but it
does have a clean but dull finish created by the sandblasting, so the
surface roughness has been increased. I know it may be impossible to say
without having any definite facts (type of steel, actual change to surface,
etc.), but anyway, what is your best guess? Would you say this likely
would, would not, or might affect the fatigue strength of a valve spring?
Thanks for any input!
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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Thanks for the lead, Jerry!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: skid ball
I think I found just what you and I are looking for..... check the attached
screen capture.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
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TGWP is on the Encore Love channel right now. Hurry up and you can practice you
lines!
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Mark - working on wings
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Subject: | wing rib jig belongs to some one don't know who |
Robert or Teresa B.
I have a rib jig that you used on your plane that I can ship to the some one
or back to you, don't know whether you'll still using this list or not if so
post
me an address to ship to.
Russell
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