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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (Jack Phillips)
2. 06:33 AM - Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (SteveR)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: skid ball (Wayne Bressler)
4. 06:54 AM - source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air Parts, CA (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
5. 06:58 AM - Re: skid ball (K5YAC)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: wood packages (K5YAC)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
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9. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (Ryan Mueller)
10. 07:20 AM - Re: skid ball (Ryan Mueller)
11. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
12. 07:30 AM - Re: nicely finished Piets (K5YAC)
13. 07:35 AM - Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (SteveR)
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19. 08:34 AM - Re: source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air Parts, CA , source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air Parts, CA (Steve Ruse)
20. 09:09 AM - Re: skid ball (Thomas Bernie)
21. 09:20 AM - Re: nicely finished Piets (K5YAC)
22. 09:35 AM - Re: TGWP on Encore (K5YAC)
23. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? (Ryan Mueller)
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25. 11:23 AM - Re: skid ball (Dan Yocum)
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| Subject: | Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
Depends on what medium you were using. If it was truly sand, you might well
have caused a bunch of scratches on the surface that would cause stress
concentrations, leading to early failure. If the medium you used was glass
beads or walnut shells or something like that, no harm would likely be done
and it might even have a benefit in that it would act like shot-peening to
create a layer of compression on the surface to prevent fatigue.
Look at the surface of the springs with a magnifying glass or microscope and
see if you can see any scratches. Or better yet, contact Harry Fenton or
Teledyne Continental Motors and get their opinions (Harry probably knows
more about the A75 than TCM does).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
<steve@wotelectronics.com>
I've got a question for you metallurgists. I'm doing some work on my
airplane's engine (A-75) and have the cylinders apart. I sandblasted a
couple of the valve springs today to remove baked on carbon...it really
isn't necessary as it is a very thin layer and doesn't affect anything, but
they look clean when they are done. Anyway, I started wondering if I could
have affected the fatigue strength (fatigue limit?) of the spring via
superficial work hardening, increased surface roughness or something else
that I know nothing about.
The surface of the springs doesn't appear pitted to the naked eye, but it
does have a clean but dull finish created by the sandblasting, so the
surface roughness has been increased. I know it may be impossible to say
without having any definite facts (type of steel, actual change to surface,
etc.), but anyway, what is your best guess? Would you say this likely
would, would not, or might affect the fatigue strength of a valve spring?
Thanks for any input!
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
Luckily it was only one spring set (inner & outer of #4 intake valve). Possibly
an expensive lesson. The blasting media was plain white sand. I have found
several articles online referencing the use of sand to improve fatigue strength
via work hardening. I will pull out my old microscope to see what I can find
on the surface, but I doubt I have the proper equipment or knowledge to make
an accurate determination by looking at the surface. If I can't determine for
sure, then I'll replace the spring. If I bought some new glass bead media,
then re-blasted the spring, could it undo the damage potentially caused by sand
by peening the surface?
Now, my next question is, where do you get these springs? They are part numbers
21365 & 21366. The shop that is going to hone the cylinders for me does a lot
of work on these engines, maybe they have some.
Thanks for the help. I'll e-mail Harry Fenton in the next day or two if I can't
find definite information somewhere. I hate to bug him if I can find the information
by doing a little reading.
Did you ever have one of those moments where you wanted to punch yourself in the
face? That was me, last night.
Steve Ruse
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When I did the EAA's Air Academy as a teenager, we made slip-skid
balls just as Oscar described. A piece of aluminum was bent to the
proper shape, and a steel ball was placed in the tube with screws/
bolts sealing the tube and holding it to the aluminum at the same
time. I don't remember what we filled the tubes with, but it was
probably just water.
I still like Jack's idea of stripping a surplus instrument down for
just a few bucks. That's pretty clever.
Reminds me of the Navi-Bird somebody had in their Piet at OSH in 2001
(?). They also had a "moving map" sectional on two rollers with a
hand crank, and a pair of dice inside an instrument face with a
placard that said "Flying is a Gamble".
Very cool.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air Parts, |
CA
Steve-- Fresno Air Parts is one source for your valve springs. http://www.trade-a-plane.com/displaypdf?pdf_num=0000663775 fresnoairparts@att.net
Valve Spring Set, Complete (16 Ea. Springs) ........ 42.50
Fresno Airparts
Chandler Field
520 West Kearney
Fresno, CA 93706
USA
Phone: 559-237-4863
Fax: 559-237-2703
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I believe that was Ken Perkins with the "navi-bird" and dice. That was hilarious.
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| Subject: | Re: wood packages |
Don
John's post came through on the web version ok. If you were to decode the message,
it reads (as you probably guessed), "Nice to meet you Mr. Brown."
;-)
[quote="swamppilot"]Thanks for the reply but for some reason your email came across
as code and not text.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
Have to agree, according to the A&P I am working with on my 0235 sand
blasting has no place near and ac engine, the media is too destructive causing
real problems for surfaces and metal. Avoid it at all costs. Not too good
advice after the fact, however it may help in future considerations.
John
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| Subject: | Re: wood packages |
Stinkin blackberry
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| Subject: | Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
Steve,
Since the shop doing the cylinders does plenty of work on small Continentals
they probably have a supply of used serviceable springs that would most
likely cost less than new springs. When I worked in an aircraft cylinder
shop 'back in the day' we had boxes of serviceable used springs of all
kinds. I'd give them a call first, and see what they say. Good luck!
Ryan
P.S.: We cleaned valve springs by tossing them in a 'tumbler' full of small
shot for about 15-20 minutes. You might see if the shop has one, and you
could send them along with your cylinders and have them tumbled clean.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:33 AM, SteveR <steve@wotelectronics.com> wrote:
>
> Luckily it was only one spring set (inner & outer of #4 intake valve).
> Possibly an expensive lesson. The blasting media was plain white sand. I
> have found several articles online referencing the use of sand to improve
> fatigue strength via work hardening. I will pull out my old microscope to
> see what I can find on the surface, but I doubt I have the proper equipment
> or knowledge to make an accurate determination by looking at the surface.
> If I can't determine for sure, then I'll replace the spring. If I bought
> some new glass bead media, then re-blasted the spring, could it undo the
> damage potentially caused by sand by peening the surface?
>
> Now, my next question is, where do you get these springs? They are part
> numbers 21365 & 21366. The shop that is going to hone the cylinders for me
> does a lot of work on these engines, maybe they have some.
>
> Thanks for the help. I'll e-mail Harry Fenton in the next day or two if I
> can't find definite information somewhere. I hate to bug him if I can find
> the information by doing a little reading.
>
> Did you ever have one of those moments where you wanted to punch yourself
> in the face? That was me, last night.
>
> Steve Ruse
>
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The company that manufactured Lindbergh's slip indicator is still doing
business:
http://www.riekerinc.com/SlipIndicators.htm
No idea how you go about buying one, from what I can see on the website, but
it might be worth a phone call.
Ryan
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Wayne Bressler
<wayne@taildraggersinc.com>wrote:
> wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
>
> When I did the EAA's Air Academy as a teenager, we made slip-skid balls
> just as Oscar described. A piece of aluminum was bent to the proper shape,
> and a steel ball was placed in the tube with screws/bolts sealing the tube
> and holding it to the aluminum at the same time. I don't remember what we
> filled the tubes with, but it was probably just water.
>
> I still like Jack's idea of stripping a surplus instrument down for just a
> few bucks. That's pretty clever.
>
> Reminds me of the Navi-Bird somebody had in their Piet at OSH in 2001(?).
> They also had a "moving map" sectional on two rollers with a hand crank,
> and a pair of dice inside an instrument face with a placard that said
> "Flying is a Gamble".
>
> Very cool.
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
That was a mistake, he shouldn't have taken off his gun, Arabs behind those
rocks....... you know what I'd do? Throw sand in their face..... blind
em.
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| Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
John... your traveling friend is due to visit our field tonight... I hope he doesn't
have a similar comment for my project. I've worked really hard on the parts
that I've completed.
You know, I could totally hear him saying that. I'm sure that most here know who
you are talking about, and surely they could hear it too. How funny.
Hey guy... you know who you are... it's the third Monday of the month, are you
still planning to make it out tonight? Don't get behind the power curve today!
Ok, sorry for the hijack... back to the discussion.
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| Subject: | Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Have to agree, according to the A&P I am working with on my
0235 sand blasting has no place near and ac engine, the media is too destructive
causing real problems for surfaces and metal. Avoid itat all costs. Not
too good advice after the fact, however it may help in future considerations.
John
> [b]
Thanks John and everyone else, I really appreciate it.
John, you bring up an interesting point. Several people have told me to sandblast
my pistons from the oil ring up (not the lower skirt past the rings). I know
several people around here who do this, including an A&P. They tape the cylinder
with duct tape from the oil ring down so the skirt and back of the piston
are unaffected. Sounds like a great way to get them clean. Is this a bad
idea?
Of course, they would be thoroughly cleaned before installing.
Steve Ruse
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| Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
Mark,
I hope progress is going well I may be down in September to visit the
plant. We will have to plan on a get together at your hangar to review.
I'll keep ya posted. By the way maybe we can have the new guy, George
Brown join us, assuming he's in town and willing to consume and imbibe of the
local fare.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
Steve, I couldn't comment on the pistons, my A&P cleaned them along with
the rest of my parts so I never did get that part of the lesson just the
part about sand. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Fact of it is I am more
adept to working on auto engines, so my favorite tool for cleaning is and has
always been the wire wheel.
Its a good thing I consulted my A&P and let him do the cleaning given a
chance me and my best friend the wire wheel would have reduced that entire
engine to aviation junk, Really clean junk! but junk nonetheless.
John
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| Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
I'm sure everyone does know who said that but I still cringed when I read it!
Egad, that wasn't very nice. But with my dry sense of humor and "don't take much
of anything in life too seriously" attitude, I can only hope that the actual
comment was taken out of context....the "context" being some silly goofy observation.
Gee, I sure hope so. But we learn our lessons in life, don't we?
Ok, no more from me on this subject.
Seriously, I could care less what it looks like (or even if it's a GN1, etc, etc)
as long as it's safe. Cruising along low and slow on a nice summer evening....I'm
thinking nothing else will matter!
Anyway, I don't know about anyone else but I got to work on my project this weekend.
Actually made the first mykitplane.com entry in months! That was great.
Gonna do some sandblasting and powder coating this week.
Brodhead was ok, but all the recent pictures of taking cute babes for rides (and
even cute babes just sitting in the front seat!) has me motivated!!! :-)
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>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Aug 17, 2009 9:30 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: nicely finished Piets
>
>
>John... your traveling friend is due to visit our field tonight... I hope he doesn't
have a similar comment for my project. I've worked really hard on the
parts that I've completed.
>
>You know, I could totally hear him saying that. I'm sure that most here know
who you are talking about, and surely they could hear it too. How funny.
>
>Hey guy... you know who you are... it's the third Monday of the month, are you
still planning to make it out tonight? Don't get behind the power curve today!
>
>Ok, sorry for the hijack... back to the discussion.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258181#258181
>
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| Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
John:
Progress is indeed going well, and we would be glad to have you out for some Piet-patties
and brew whenever you are in town.
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| Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
Incidentally. The story was told to convey not what was said or how but
more that people come away with a perception of quality and as such drives us
to be better builders. Nor was it told to embarrass anyone but and
certainly not Jim. I home the posting has not caused him any inconvenience or
discord as I shared it to illustrate a point and not to discredit anyone.
If it came out that way or was interpreted as such, I owe the group and my
friend an apology as it was and is not my intent to damage do harm or
injure anyone.
Again my sincerest apologies
John
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| Subject: | Re: source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air |
Parts, CA , Pietenpol-List: source for Cont. valve springs below- Fresno Air
Parts, CA
NICE! Brand new valve springs for $42.50. Now that is a deal. I was
expecting double that for a single spring. Thanks for the tip Mike!
Now, should I leave the NOS springs for someone in the future who
really needs or full set, and I'll just get a single new (used)
replacement spring from Gibson Aviation (small continental experts who
just happen to be local), or should I get a complete new set?
Has anyone been to Fresno Airparts warehouse? I find it astonishing
that they have this many NOS items.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>:
> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> Steve-- Fresno Air Parts is one source for your valve springs.
> http://www.trade-a-plane.com/displaypdf?pdf_num=0000663775
> fresnoairparts@att.net
>
> Valve Spring Set, Complete (16 Ea. Springs) ........ 42.50
>
>
> Fresno Airparts
>
> Chandler Field
> 520 West Kearney
> Fresno, CA 93706
> USA
>
> Phone: 559-237-4863
> Fax: 559-237-2703
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Got mine from Aircraft Spruce
On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> The company that manufactured Lindbergh's slip indicator is still
> doing business:
>
> http://www.riekerinc.com/SlipIndicators.htm
>
> No idea how you go about buying one, from what I can see on the
> website, but it might be worth a phone call.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com
> > wrote:
> >
>
> When I did the EAA's Air Academy as a teenager, we made slip-skid
> balls just as Oscar described. A piece of aluminum was bent to the
> proper shape, and a steel ball was placed in the tube with screws/
> bolts sealing the tube and holding it to the aluminum at the same
> time. I don't remember what we filled the tubes with, but it was
> probably just water.
>
> I still like Jack's idea of stripping a surplus instrument down for
> just a few bucks. That's pretty clever.
>
> Reminds me of the Navi-Bird somebody had in their Piet at OSH in
> 2001(?). They also had a "moving map" sectional on two rollers with
> a hand crank, and a pair of dice inside an instrument face with a
> placard that said "Flying is a Gamble".
>
> Very cool.
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> taildraggersinc.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
Way to go John. [Laughing]
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to say... perhaps
I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the
entire movie again, and it really isn't too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan,
but aside from his poor acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there
were a lot of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo isn't distracting
me every 30 seconds?
Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in again soon for
some background noise in the shop, and to take a closer look at all the airplanes.
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| Subject: | Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
Steve,
I don't think I would sandblast (literally with sand, or even glass bead) a
piston, unless I was looking to make an ashtray or some decorative piece ou
t
of it. At the repair station I worked at we would blast pistons clean with
plastic media; that's probably about as harsh as you'd want to go. You don'
t
need to make it look absolutely brand new, you just need to remove the
carbon. I would take particular care around the ring lands; turn the
pressure down and keep the stream of media moving so you don't damage the
lands.
I would second John's comment about there really being no reason to
sandblast (again, literally with sand) any part of an aircraft engine.
Aluminum parts should never be sandblasted, unless you want to trash them.
Plastic media or walnut shells would be a better idea, and even then you
don't want to turn the pressure up too high or concentrate too long on one
spot. For removing corrosion on steel parts, glass media works well, but yo
u
still have to be careful.
Ryan
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:35 AM, SteveR <steve@wotelectronics.com> wrote:
>
> [quote="Amsafetyc"]Have to agree, according to the A&P I am working wit
h on
> my 0235 sand blasting has no place near and ac engine, the media is too
> destructive causing real problems for surfaces and metal. Avoid it=EF
=BDat all
> costs. Not too good advice after the fact, however it may help in future
> considerations.
>
> John
>
>
> > [b]
>
>
> Thanks John and everyone else, I really appreciate it.
>
> John, you bring up an interesting point. Several people have told me to
> sandblast my pistons from the oil ring up (not the lower skirt past the
> rings). I know several people around here who do this, including an A&P.
> They tape the cylinder with duct tape from the oil ring down so the skir
t
> and back of the piston are unaffected. Sounds like a great way to get th
em
> clean. Is this a bad idea?
>
> Of course, they would be thoroughly cleaned before installing.
>
> Steve Ruse
>
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I have not seen it
and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that could someone let me know
ahead of time (a day or so not ten minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
Thanks
Rodney
---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to say... perhaps
I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until 1:00 or 1:30 to watch
the entire movie again, and it really isn't too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan,
but aside from his poor acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there
were a lot of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo isn't distracting
me every 30 seconds?
>
> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in again soon
for some background noise in the shop, and to take a closer look at all the airplanes.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thomas Bernie wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Got mine from Aircraft Spruce
>
AS&S sells children?!?? Do they have a money back guarantee to go along
with said child?
I can hear that phone call now:
"Hi, Aircraft Spruce, it seems that my children have a gasket problem.
Uh, huh. Yep, they're almost 3 years old and still leak from both ends.
Can I get a refund? Great! And, please hurry!"
You've got a cute kid there, Tom. ;-)
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | My DVD arrived today!!! |
Barnstorming - A Documentary Film arrived in the mail today.....
It's GREAT! Fantastic....
Wow, a movie ALL ABOUT why I'm building a Pietenpol!!!
JM
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| Subject: | Re: My DVD arrived today!!! |
You turkey! Can't wait to get mine.
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
You can get it here.
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Waldo-Pepper-Robert-Redford/dp/630513717X/
ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250542557&sr=1-1
But, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, I can't believe the price. Must be a cult
thing. Go get it on VHS and burn it to a DVD. Sheesh! It's not that
good.
tw
P.S. While you're there you might as well get "The Blue Max." Can't
get enough of the Ursula Andress.
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On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:35 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> <r.r.hall@cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I
> have not seen it and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that
> could someone let me know ahead of time (a day or so not ten
> minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
>
> Thanks
> Rodney
> ---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to
>> say... perhaps I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until
>> 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the entire movie again, and it really isn't
>> too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan, but aside from his poor
>> acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there were a lot
>> of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
>> it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo
>> isn't distracting me every 30 seconds?
>>
>> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in
>> again soon for some background noise in the shop, and to take a
>> closer look at all the airplanes.
>>
>> --------
>> Mark - working on wings
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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I wish I were young enough to be his father!
On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>
> Thomas Bernie wrote:
>> Got mine from Aircraft Spruce
>
> AS&S sells children?!?? Do they have a money back guarantee to go
> along with said child?
>
> I can hear that phone call now:
>
> "Hi, Aircraft Spruce, it seems that my children have a gasket
> problem. Uh, huh. Yep, they're almost 3 years old and still leak
> from both ends. Can I get a refund? Great! And, please hurry!"
>
> You've got a cute kid there, Tom. ;-)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My DVD arrived today!!! |
Mark, I think we should take it from him......
You know, so we can watch it and make sure it's safe for him to view. :P
Jody
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| Subject: | Re: nicely finished Piets |
Go for it, Jim! That way we will know if it's Greg's young,dashing
countenance, or the Piet that is attracting the babes!...ouch!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: nicely finished Piets
I'm sure everyone does know who said that but I still cringed when I read
it! Egad, that wasn't very nice. But with my dry sense of humor and "don't
take much of anything in life too seriously" attitude, I can only hope that
the actual comment was taken out of context....the "context" being some
silly goofy observation. Gee, I sure hope so. But we learn our lessons in
life, don't we? Ok, no more from me on this subject.
Seriously, I could care less what it looks like (or even if it's a GN1, etc,
etc) as long as it's safe. Cruising along low and slow on a nice summer
evening....I'm thinking nothing else will matter!
Anyway, I don't know about anyone else but I got to work on my project this
weekend. Actually made the first mykitplane.com entry in months! That was
great. Gonna do some sandblasting and powder coating this week.
Brodhead was ok, but all the recent pictures of taking cute babes for rides
(and even cute babes just sitting in the front seat!) has me motivated!!!
:-)
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-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Aug 17, 2009 9:30 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: nicely finished Piets
>
>
>John... your traveling friend is due to visit our field tonight... I hope
he doesn't have a similar comment for my project. I've worked really hard
on the parts that I've completed.
>
>You know, I could totally hear him saying that. I'm sure that most here
know who you are talking about, and surely they could hear it too. How
funny.
>
>Hey guy... you know who you are... it's the third Monday of the month, are
you still planning to make it out tonight? Don't get behind the power curve
today!
>
>Ok, sorry for the hijack... back to the discussion.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258181#258181
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My DVD arrived today!!! |
Good, ain't it?
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
But I can't stand George Peppard in that movie!
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:13:21 -0700, Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
wrote:
> <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>
> You can get it here.
> http://www.amazon.com/Great-Waldo-Pepper-Robert-Redford/dp/630513717X/
> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250542557&sr=1-1
>
> But, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, I can't believe the price. Must be a cult
> thing. Go get it on VHS and burn it to a DVD. Sheesh! It's not that
> good.
>
> tw
>
> P.S. While you're there you might as well get "The Blue Max." Can't
> get enough of the Ursula Andress.
>
> ---Do not archive---
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:35 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> <r.r.hall@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I
>> have not seen it and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that
>> could someone let me know ahead of time (a day or so not ten
>> minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rodney
>> ---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to
>>> say... perhaps I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until
>>> 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the entire movie again, and it really isn't
>>> too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan, but aside from his poor
>>> acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there were a lot
>>> of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
>>> it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo
>>> isn't distracting me every 30 seconds?
>>>
>>> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in
>>> again soon for some background noise in the shop, and to take a
>>> closer look at all the airplanes.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Mark - working on wings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | My DVD arrived today!!! |
Just got mine today, too. I'm in charge of entertainment tonight...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My DVD arrived today!!!
Good, ain't it?
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
But I can't stand George Peppard in that movie!
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:13:21 -0700, Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
wrote:
> <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>
> You can get it here.
> http://www.amazon.com/Great-Waldo-Pepper-Robert-Redford/dp/630513717X/
> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250542557&sr=1-1
>
> But, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, I can't believe the price. Must be a cult
> thing. Go get it on VHS and burn it to a DVD. Sheesh! It's not that
> good.
>
> tw
>
> P.S. While you're there you might as well get "The Blue Max." Can't
> get enough of the Ursula Andress.
>
> ---Do not archive---
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:35 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> <r.r.hall@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I
>> have not seen it and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that
>> could someone let me know ahead of time (a day or so not ten
>> minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rodney
>> ---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to
>>> say... perhaps I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until
>>> 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the entire movie again, and it really isn't
>>> too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan, but aside from his poor
>>> acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there were a lot
>>> of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
>>> it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo
>>> isn't distracting me every 30 seconds?
>>>
>>> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in
>>> again soon for some background noise in the shop, and to take a
>>> closer look at all the airplanes.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Mark - working on wings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
Well, thanks to Gary Boothe, I was able to start watching TGWP this weekend,
but only made it to the first scene where he almost stiffs the kid doing all
the gas 'gofering', then had to quit because my family thinks THEY are more
important than my airplane movie watching!
Harrumph!
Maybe tonight...
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
>
>
>
> But I can't stand George Peppard in that movie!
>
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:13:21 -0700, Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
> >
> > You can get it here.
> > http://www.amazon.com/Great-Waldo-Pepper-Robert-Redford/dp/630513717X/
> > ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250542557&sr=1-1
> >
> > But, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, I can't believe the price. Must be a cult
> > thing. Go get it on VHS and burn it to a DVD. Sheesh! It's not that
> > good.
> >
> > tw
> >
> > P.S. While you're there you might as well get "The Blue Max." Can't
> > get enough of the Ursula Andress.
> >
> > ---Do not archive---
> >
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:35 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> <r.r.hall@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I
> >> have not seen it and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that
> >> could someone let me know ahead of time (a day or so not ten
> >> minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Rodney
> >> ---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to
> >>> say... perhaps I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until
> >>> 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the entire movie again, and it really isn't
> >>> too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan, but aside from his poor
> >>> acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there were a lot
> >>> of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
> >>> it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo
> >>> isn't distracting me every 30 seconds?
> >>>
> >>> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in
> >>> again soon for some background noise in the shop, and to take a
> >>> closer look at all the airplanes.
> >>>
> >>> --------
> >>> Mark - working on wings
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>
> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
My point exactly
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:54:18 -0700, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
<gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
>
>
>
> But I can't stand George Peppard in that movie!
>
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:13:21 -0700, Terry Williams
<7ecapilot@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>>
>> You can get it here.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Great-Waldo-Pepper-Robert-Redford/dp/630513717X/
>> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250542557&sr=1-1
>>
>> But, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, I can't believe the price. Must be a cult
>> thing. Go get it on VHS and burn it to a DVD. Sheesh! It's not that
>> good.
>>
>> tw
>>
>> P.S. While you're there you might as well get "The Blue Max." Can't
>> get enough of the Ursula Andress.
>>
>> ---Do not archive---
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:35 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> <r.r.hall@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I
>>> have not seen it and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that
>>> could someone let me know ahead of time (a day or so not ten
>>> minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Rodney
>>> ---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to
>>>> say... perhaps I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until
>>>> 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the entire movie again, and it really isn't
>>>> too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan, but aside from his poor
>>>> acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there were a lot
>>>> of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
>>>> it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo
>>>> isn't distracting me every 30 seconds?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in
>>>> again soon for some background noise in the shop, and to take a
>>>> closer look at all the airplanes.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Mark - working on wings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
Breakfast at Tiffany's? OK, I pretty much ignored George because,
let's face it, Audrey Hepburn can ride in my front cockpit any time...
I know, I know: TMI.
>
>That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
>
>Gary Boothe
>
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| Subject: | is it really a Piet??? |
http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_360434_Pietenpol+Aerial+.html
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| Subject: | Re: is it really a Piet??? |
Well, per the St. Croix (i.e. Chad Wille) website:
"Aerial, *Original design by Chad*, Based on stock Air-Camper model, Plans
available, contact Chad."
As such, I would say that ought to be a 'Wille Aerial'.....
Ryan
And I say, do not archive!
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net> wrote:
>
> http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_360434_Pietenpol+Aerial+.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My DVD arrived today!!! |
Not to gloat, but mine arrived today as well! Already watched it once,
probably watch it again later whilst whittlin' on a rib. Woohoo!
Ryan
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Just got mine today, too. I'm in charge of entertainment tonight...
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (13 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Boatright
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:40 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My DVD arrived today!!!
>
>
> Good, ain't it?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
"...unconfirmed by the Army means UNCONFIRMED!"
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
My point exactly
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:54:18 -0700, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
<gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
>
>
>
> But I can't stand George Peppard in that movie!
>
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:13:21 -0700, Terry Williams
<7ecapilot@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>>
>> You can get it here.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Great-Waldo-Pepper-Robert-Redford/dp/630513717X/
>> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250542557&sr=1-1
>>
>> But, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, I can't believe the price. Must be a cult
>> thing. Go get it on VHS and burn it to a DVD. Sheesh! It's not that
>> good.
>>
>> tw
>>
>> P.S. While you're there you might as well get "The Blue Max." Can't
>> get enough of the Ursula Andress.
>>
>> ---Do not archive---
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:35 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> <r.r.hall@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I
>>> have not seen it and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that
>>> could someone let me know ahead of time (a day or so not ten
>>> minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Rodney
>>> ---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to
>>>> say... perhaps I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until
>>>> 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the entire movie again, and it really isn't
>>>> too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan, but aside from his poor
>>>> acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there were a lot
>>>> of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
>>>> it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo
>>>> isn't distracting me every 30 seconds?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in
>>>> again soon for some background noise in the shop, and to take a
>>>> closer look at all the airplanes.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Mark - working on wings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
That's why we all have TV's in our garages.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
Well, thanks to Gary Boothe, I was able to start watching TGWP this weekend,
but only made it to the first scene where he almost stiffs the kid doing all
the gas 'gofering', then had to quit because my family thinks THEY are more
important than my airplane movie watching!
Harrumph!
Maybe tonight...
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
But I can't stand George Peppard in that movie!
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:13:21 -0700, Terry Williams <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
wrote:
> <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>
> You can get it here.
> http://www.amazon.com/Great-Waldo-Pepper-Robert-Redford/dp/630513717X/
> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250542557&sr=1-1
>
> But, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, I can't believe the price. Must be a cult
> thing. Go get it on VHS and burn it to a DVD. Sheesh! It's not that
> good.
>
> tw
>
> P.S. While you're there you might as well get "The Blue Max." Can't
> get enough of the Ursula Andress.
>
> ---Do not archive---
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:35 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> <r.r.hall@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I
>> have not seen it and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that
>> could someone let me know ahead of time (a day or so not ten
>> minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rodney
>> ---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to
>>> say... perhaps I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until
>>> 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the entire movie again, and it really isn't
>>> too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan, but aside from his poor
>>> acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there were a lot
>>> of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
>>> it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo
>>> isn't distracting me every 30 seconds?
>>>
>>> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in
>>> again soon for some background noise in the shop, and to take a
>>> closer look at all the airplanes.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Mark - working on wings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Barnstormers: same here: DVD arrived today!!! |
Karen and I just got done watching it. What a great all-American story, wonderful
midwest farm family, great story about the pilots and airplanes
and giving rides to the townfolk and kids. Great stuff.
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| Subject: | Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake? |
We strip paint off our Dash 8 wheels w/ plastic media and it doesn't even
remove the alodine/anodize treatment from the metal.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I don't think I would sandblast (literally with sand, or even glass bead) a
> piston, unless I was looking to make an ashtray or some decorative piece out
> of it. At the repair station I worked at we would blast pistons clean with
> plastic media; that's probably about as harsh as you'd want to go. You don't
> need to make it look absolutely brand new, you just need to remove the
> carbon. I would take particular care around the ring lands; turn the
> pressure down and keep the stream of media moving so you don't damage the
> lands.
>
> I would second John's comment about there really being no reason to
> sandblast (again, literally with sand) any part of an aircraft engine.
> Aluminum parts should never be sandblasted, unless you want to trash them.
> Plastic media or walnut shells would be a better idea, and even then you
> don't want to turn the pressure up too high or concentrate too long on one
> spot. For removing corrosion on steel parts, glass media works well, but you
> still have to be careful.
>
> Ryan
>
> **
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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| Subject: | Re: wood packages |
Hey Don!
Glad you found the website. You and Peyton will have a lot of questions as you
get going and this is the place to get them answered.
I suggest you get all the back issues of the Pietenpol newsletters from the club
and/or from the AAA in Blakesburg, IA. On cold winter nights, they make great
homework.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258327#258327
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
OK, I'll say it again. "Only Angels Have Wings" is the best flying movie
ever, if only because it DOESN'T have George Peppard. If you've got
Netflix they have it there. If you don't, something might be arranged.
Cary Grant, Jean Arthur, Thomas Mitchell, Richard Barthelmess, Rita
Hayworth, Allyn Joslyn, Sig Ruman, directed by Howard Hawks, and it
actually has some real airplanes flying along with some pretty
"entertaining" model work. Snappy dialog and ahh, that Jean Arthur...
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport
Sonoma, CA
Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
>
> Gary Boothe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
Darrel Jones wrote:
> OK, I'll say it again. "Only Angels Have Wings" is the best flying
> movie ever ...
Hard to argue with that, though I might give "12 O'Clock High" a slight
edge.
Just so they aren't completely overlooked, "Island in the Sky" and "The
High and the Mighty" weren't bad. It's tough to go too far wrong with
Ernie Gann.
Owen
(lurk mode back on)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol aerobatics |
Wing-overs, hammerheads, spins, and a loop are all I've done.
Plenty of rudder for hammerheads and spin recovery...lots of elevator for the loop.
Three turns in the spin and she was happily dropping 400 fpm, recovered in
1/4 turn like a good airplane should.
Entered the loop at 90 and got a little impatient, so it was a little egg-like,
but fun. Wouldn't do any of this with a passenger on board.
If you look at the side area of the Piet, you can see why it slips so well: no
slab-sided fuselage to keep you from coming down.
Piet #2 has an 85 in it so it might have enough oomph to roll around a little...I"ll
let you know.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
Ok, let me commit some heresy here. I just didn't think that TGWP was all that
great. Its an aviation movie which makes it fun to watch but I never felt fanatical
about it. On the other hand, I thought High Road to China with Tom Selleck
was excellent. In fact, I liked Selleck's character O'Malley so much ,
I named my dog after him. O'Malley spends his time out in the shop with the
Pietenpol and so far he hasn't desecrated the project, so I take that as a good
sign. All right, you can start flaming........
Paul
The Pietenpol is slow, but the earth is patient.
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My wife is not that supportive of my project (my fault for starting the
kitchen remodel before the Piet), but even she liked Barnstormers! Guess if
I start getting cold cereal for dinner I'll get back to the kitchen..
.got the engine mount on tonight.permanently! Here comes the engine..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
> Darrel Jones wrote:
>> OK, I'll say it again. "Only Angels Have Wings" is the best flying
>> movie ever ...
> Hard to argue with that, though I might give "12 O'Clock High" a
> slight edge.
>
> Just so they aren't completely overlooked, "Island in the Sky" and
> "The High and the Mighty" weren't bad. It's tough to go too far wrong
> with Ernie Gann.
>
> Owen
> (lurk mode back on)
>
>
Own,
Those two are also on the favorites list. "Island in the Sky" and the
DC-3s in formation over the north country (actually filmed in Truckee,
Lake Tahoe) with the clouds is breathtaking. If you haven't read Ernie
Gann, hit the library or Amazon tomorrow. Another good one is "Always".
Holly Hunter and A-26's and PBYs. Yum!
Darrel
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol aerobatics |
Down from the heavens just for your on his final tour of the United States
Earnst Kessler
In a message dated 8/17/2009 10:15:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
skybachs@yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skybachs" <skybachs@yahoo.com>
Wing-overs, hammerheads, spins, and a loop are all I've done.
Plenty of rudder for hammerheads and spin recovery...lots of elevator for
the loop. Three turns in the spin and she was happily dropping 400 fpm,
recovered in 1/4 turn like a good airplane should.
Entered the loop at 90 and got a little impatient, so it was a little
egg-like, but fun. Wouldn't do any of this with a passenger on board.
If you look at the side area of the Piet, you can see why it slips so
well: no slab-sided fuselage to keep you from coming down.
Piet #2 has an 85 in it so it might have enough oomph to roll around a
little...I"ll let you know.
Rob
--------
NX29NX, C65, Hegy prop, Blue/Cream flying!
NX31TM, C85-12, GN-1, 90% done, Red/Cream
NX30NX, Corvair, on gear, wings/tail done
NX31NX, Hatz CB-1, O-320B, on gear, ribs done
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| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers |
'Barnstorming'....technically... ;)
Congratulations on permanently mounting the mount! You could have that
engine on there and running before winter comes.....well, that is if you
lived in a place that had winter. :P
Ryan
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> My wife is not that supportive of my project (my fault for starting the
> kitchen remodel before the Piet), but even she liked Barnstormers! Guess
if
> I start getting cold cereal for dinner I=92ll get back to the kitchen=85.
>
>
> =85got the engine mount on tonight=85permanently! Here comes the engine
=85.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (13 ribs down=85)
>
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| Subject: | Re: TGWP on Encore |
Easy, the A Team pilot movie!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
My point exactly
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:54:18 -0700, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
<gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> That begs the question: In what movie can you stand George Peppard?
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howe
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: TGWP on Encore
>
>
>
> But I can't stand George Peppard in that movie!
>
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:13:21 -0700, Terry Williams
<7ecapilot@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> <7ecapilot@comcast.net>
>>
>> You can get it here.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Great-Waldo-Pepper-Robert-Redford/dp/630513717X/
>> ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250542557&sr=1-1
>>
>> But, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, I can't believe the price. Must be a cult
>> thing. Go get it on VHS and burn it to a DVD. Sheesh! It's not that
>> good.
>>
>> tw
>>
>> P.S. While you're there you might as well get "The Blue Max." Can't
>> get enough of the Ursula Andress.
>>
>> ---Do not archive---
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 10:35 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> <r.r.hall@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Alright does anyone have a copy of this movie I could borrow? I
>>> have not seen it and everyone keeps talking about it. Barring that
>>> could someone let me know ahead of time (a day or so not ten
>>> minutes :-)) so I can watch it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Rodney
>>> ---- K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hate to be commenting on my own lame post, but I just wanted to
>>>> say... perhaps I judged TGWP too hastily. I actually sat up until
>>>> 1:00 or 1:30 to watch the entire movie again, and it really isn't
>>>> too bad. I'm not a huge Redford fan, but aside from his poor
>>>> acting (settle down everyone [Rolling Eyes] ), there were a lot
>>>> of details that I missed in the first couple of passes. Perhaps
>>>> it has something to do with watching it real late when the kiddo
>>>> isn't distracting me every 30 seconds?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... I still haven't memorized my lines, but I will pop it in
>>>> again soon for some background noise in the shop, and to take a
>>>> closer look at all the airplanes.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Mark - working on wings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258207#258207
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Winter?
I hope to run it at the next WW College on the Left Coast.
Gary
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Barnstormers
'Barnstorming'....technically... ;)
Congratulations on permanently mounting the mount! You could have that
engine on there and running before winter comes.....well, that is if you
lived in a place that had winter. :P
Ryan
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
My wife is not that supportive of my project (my fault for starting the
kitchen remodel before the Piet), but even she liked Barnstormers! Guess if
I start getting cold cereal for dinner I'll get back to the kitchen..
.got the engine mount on tonight.permanently! Here comes the engine..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | rough sawn lumber selection |
I'm headed down to McCormicks Lumber in Madison to pick up some spar materi
al this weekend. Any tips for judging the rough sawn lumber? I'm just con
cerned that I won't be able to see all I need to see without the boards bei
ng planed or having clean ends=2C edges=2C etc. Out of the 4 boards they s
ent me for my fuselage=2C 3 of them turned out to be spar quality=2C so I k
now they have the right stuff...
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: front seat back serves as a fuselage bulkhead |
Well, We do have bathtub races in this part of the world.
20 miles across open ocean.
Clif
Seneca: "There is no great genius without a tincture of madness."
> Or I could just glue a bathtub in there...
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| Subject: | Re: rough sawn lumber selection |
I think they carry a boat grade I would ask them? The boat grade isn't as
good as aircraft
has a little more waste, I think the growth rings are visible enough whether
planed
or rough, pitch pockets pin knots I would say a little harder to detect.
my .000002 worth, also try to pick quarter sawn or the boards that got sent
through the
saw that come from the center of the log taht have cross grain.
Russell
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:25 AM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>wrote:
> I'm headed down to McCormicks Lumber in Madison to pick up some spar
> material this weekend. Any tips for judging the rough sawn lumber? I'm
> just concerned that I won't be able to see all I need to see without the
> boards being planed or having clean ends, edges, etc. Out of the 4 boards
> they sent me for my fuselage, 3 of them turned out to be spar quality, so I
> know they have the right stuff...
>
> Tom B.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine Cleaning Methods |
I am rebuilding a small Continental also. The post about sandblasting got me thinking
about cleaning the parts before putting it back together. The plastic media
sounds great but I don't have access to a blaster of any kind.
Do you have any ideas about how else I could clean the carbon or old paint off?
Charlie
________________________________
From: Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:16:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sandblasting valve springs...a mistake?
We strip paint off our Dash 8 wheels w/ plastic media and it doesn't even remove
the alodine/anodize treatment from the metal.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
Steve,
>
>I don't think I would sandblast (literally with sand, or even glass bead) a piston,
unless I was looking to make an ashtray or some decorative piece out of
it. At the repair station I worked at we would blast pistons clean with plastic
media; that's probably about as harsh as you'd want to go. You don't need to
make it look absolutely brand new, you just need to remove the carbon. I would
take particular care around the ring lands; turn the pressure down and keep
the stream of media moving so you don't damage the lands.
>
>I would second John's comment about there really being no reason to sandblast
(again, literally with sand) any part of an aircraft engine. Aluminum parts should
never be sandblasted, unless you want to trash them. Plastic media or walnut
shells would be a better idea, and even then you don't want to turn the pressure
up too high or concentrate too long on one spot. For removing corrosion
on steel parts, glass media works well, but you still have to be careful.
>
>Ryan
>
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