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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Re: spiral grain definition (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:17 AM - Re: deadstick flying (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:22 AM - Re: deadstick flying (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
4. 05:13 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there with your Pietenpol ? (airlion)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material;exelente (Gary Boothe)
6. 05:54 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there with your Pietenpol ? (Gary Boothe)
7. 06:17 AM - Re: Markle's visiting Helsper ? (Gary Boothe)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: Progress Report (K5YAC)
9. 06:44 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material;exelente (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
10. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Progress Report (Gary Boothe)
11. 06:47 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Michael Perez)
12. 06:47 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there with your Pietenpol ? (Michael Perez)
13. 06:56 AM - Re: Progress Report (K5YAC)
14. 07:16 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Jack Phillips)
15. 07:16 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there with your Pietenpol ? (Gene Rambo)
16. 07:47 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there with your Pietenpol ? (Ed G.)
17. 07:48 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Michael Perez)
18. 07:49 AM - Riblett 612 (Ken Howe)
19. 07:54 AM - brodhead 2010' (Douwe Blumberg)
20. 08:24 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Jack Phillips)
21. 08:57 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there wit (Jerry Dotson)
22. 09:04 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Michael Perez)
23. 09:05 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there with your Pietenpol ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
24. 09:21 AM - Re: Riblett 612 (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com)
25. 09:24 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Ryan Mueller)
26. 09:34 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there wi (K5YAC)
27. 10:19 AM - Anyone have a prop....... (TOPGUN)
28. 10:30 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Jack Phillips)
29. 11:01 AM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Michael Perez)
30. 11:11 AM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there with your Pietenpol ? (Jeff Boatright)
31. 12:44 PM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Mark Roberts)
32. 01:24 PM - Re: Fuselage building and material (K5YAC)
33. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there wit (Bill Church)
34. 03:12 PM - Re: Fuselage building and material (Michael Perez)
35. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage building and material (Michael Perez)
36. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there wit (Michael Perez)
37. 04:12 PM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there wit (K5YAC)
38. 04:15 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (Rick Holland)
39. 04:23 PM - Engine question (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
40. 04:43 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (Jack Phillips)
41. 04:43 PM - Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there wit (Jerry Dotson)
42. 04:45 PM - Re: Engine question (Jack Phillips)
43. 04:53 PM - Re: Engine question (amsafetyc@aol.com)
44. 04:53 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (amsafetyc@aol.com)
45. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there wit (Bill Church)
46. 05:14 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (Jack Phillips)
47. 05:14 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (John Hofmann)
48. 05:23 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (Lagowski Morrow)
49. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: Progress Report (Lagowski Morrow)
50. 05:50 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (amsafetyc@aol.com)
51. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be there wit (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
52. 05:59 PM - Bingelis books (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
53. 06:01 PM - One builder's rule of thumb-- how long will it take ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
54. 06:37 PM - Re: Progress Report (K5YAC)
55. 06:42 PM - Re: One builder's rule of thumb-- how long will it take ? (Jerry Dotson)
56. 06:56 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (Kip and Beth Gardner)
57. 07:00 PM - Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair (Kip and Beth Gardner)
58. 07:10 PM - Markle-Helsper visit (helspersew@aol.com)
59. 07:36 PM - Re: Markle-Helsper visit (K5YAC)
60. 07:41 PM - Re: Progress Report (TulsaFlyer)
61. 07:53 PM - Re: Markle-Helsper visit (amsafetyc@aol.com)
62. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Markle-Helsper visit (amsafetyc@aol.com)
63. 07:58 PM - Re: Progress Report (K5YAC)
64. 08:07 PM - Re: Markle-Helsper visit (K5YAC)
65. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Markle-Helsper visit (Clif Dawson)
66. 10:13 PM - Re: Fuselage building and material;exelente (jorge lizarraga)
67. 10:16 PM - Re: Fuselage building and material (jorge lizarraga)
68. 10:21 PM - Re: Fuselage building and material;exelente (jorge lizarraga)
69. 10:26 PM - Re: Fuselage building and material;exelente ok. (jorge lizarraga)
70. 10:40 PM - Re: deadstick flying (Baldeagle)
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| Subject: | Re: spiral grain definition |
Take a towel. One end in each hand. Stretch it out.
Twist it up a few turns. This is what a spiral grown
tree looks like. Picture a board cut from that tree.
I've seen trees with one complete spiral in a hundred
feet and others with a complete 360=B0 twist in 8 ft.
There's an old four foot diameter log on Wreck
Beach just like that right now.
And then there's trees that grow out the side of a hill.
When you cut a board from such a tree in half it'll do
one of two things. Those halves will either spread
apart or the kerf will close up.
Another thing to watch for is a very fine jog in the grain,
kind of like daisy the dog in Dagwood. That comes
from a tree falling on another log. If it hits just right it
won't break in half but will slightly shift the grain. This
is a definite cause for rejection. Your not going to see
this often but it does happen as one hapless ladder
company found out.
Oh, the vagaries of wood. Just like people.
Clif
Remember, no effort that we make to attain something beautiful is ever
lost."
~ Helen Keller
There is an Austrian site that explains spiral grain pretyy simple
explanation, also shows the correct way to lay quarter sawn wood
in relationship to load bearing.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Bill Church
Okay Tom, now I understand what you're getting at. The Ol' picture's
worth a thousand words, once again.
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| Subject: | deadstick flying |
If you want to try this, let me give you a little tip (learned when I did
the same thing with my J-3 in Texas years ago): Do it over an airport with
a long runway and aim for the MIDDLE of the runway for your landing. That
way, if the glide is a little different from what you expect, you can easily
compensate.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: deadstick flying
I pulled the same 'stunt' in my T-craft. The surprise to me was not how slow
I had to get it to stop windmilling, but how fast I had to dive (and how
much altitude it took) to overcome compression and start again! Having done
it couple times, and looking back (waaaay back - like 35 years! And it
seemed like a good idea at the time, even though I was nowhere near the
airport), I'm not sure what useful information I learned.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: deadstick flying
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Good Shad-- I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who has intentionally
shut down an engine in flight. After having our Champ for about 3 years I
shutdown
the engine about 2,000' msl over my home field on a weekday when the only
one in the air was me. I did a circling approach and came in high on
purpose then
slipped off the altitude to touchdown. I was doing my best Bob Hoover
wanna be in a Champ:)
I was surprised at how many times it took me to stop the windmilling prop.
(I didn't have a Corvair:))) Kidding ! I stalled the airplane three times
to get the metal
prop to stop windmilling. Okay...so that was a fairly tired engine so the
compression wasn't the best to stop the prop quickly.
It got quiet quick but it was really a good learning experience in that I
really needed to keep the nose much more down to keep my glide speed up than
you would
with an engine at idle-- surprise number one.
Surprise number two is how short your landing roll is---again, with no
windmilling prop there is no thrust what so ever to keep you rolling a bit
longer on landing.
It was dead quiet when the wheels stopped rumbling on the grass. Was a
good experience.
In my mind they should make every Private and Sport Pilot do spins-- to the
left and right and do at least one intentional dead stick landing at an
airport with
a good long runway. Not kidding-- just like I think every High School
Student should either have to spend a month in a foreign third world country
or go thru
boot camp to qualify for graduation. Not kidding there either.
Okay-- enough of my rambling.
Mike C. in Ohio
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| Subject: | deadstick flying |
I agree with Jack's mention of "aim for the middle of the runway, not the end"
when you have
a deadstick on your hands.
That would translate to aiming for the middle of a farmers field, grassy stretch,
or whatever
you are trying to land on.
I learned that (especially so in a Pietenpol with all that drag) your 'circle',
if you will, of
potential fields to land in is MUCH smaller in diameter with a dead engine than
with an idling
engine. Pick something close-- something that is doable with altitude to spare,
not where you
put yourself in a situation where you're trying to stretch your glide.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be |
there with your Pietenpol ?
Bill, If you get down this way, you might want go to Carrollton Ga. to see the
Big Piet Squadron. They are Show Quality Planes---Steel tube fuse and Corvairs.
Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:56:00 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be
there with your Pietenpol ?
Well, since my name was specifically mentioned, I better
respond.
Next year ain't gonna happen fo me.
5 years from now... well that IS a possibility (barring "life"
getting in the way) - especially since I've recently located my engine (just
need to get down to Georgia to pick it up). I've been at this project for 4 1/2
years now, and back when I began it I said that it should take 5 to 10 years to
complete, so that would still be on track. I think having a powerplant sitting
in the garage should be a morale booster and inspiration to "get 'er
done".
Bill Church
(infidel from Canada)
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| Subject: | Fuselage building and material;exelente |
Jorge,
All the 1/8" plywood on my project is Marine Mahogany which I purchased
locally. In fact, I just found a new supplier in the San Francisco Bay Area
that is far cheaper. The last sheet I bought from MacBeath Hardwood was
$25!! If you just need some scraps for making gussets for your tail, let me
know.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jorge
lizarraga
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
hi im jorge from hanford ca, in these moment i folow thw nex step tp build
my piet is the tail section stare whit the stavilizer and look you mail is
bery nice to have okume plywood sprus sale for the same size 98 a pise 4X8FT
IF YOU NOW SOME GUYS BUILD THE SIDE COVER WHIT THESE WOOD YOUNOW . tanks for
you mail and seyou nex
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two
locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders
have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to
avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will
prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked
with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the
fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a
mahogany-like tropical wood). While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft
ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and is
manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the
lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, and
available in 4' x 8' sheets.
A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
http://www.noahsmarine.com/
http://www.boulterplywood.com/
Bill C.
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| Subject: | 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be |
there with your Pietenpol ?
B=85or 2011
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down=85)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU
be
there with your Pietenpol ?
Normally my posts are =BD in fun, =BD serious but I really would like to
know by
way of an informal
straw poll two things.
A. Who of you is on serious track to have your new flying Pietenpols
at Brodhead in 2010
and
B. Who of you believe you will have your new Pietenpols flying in 5
years for the 85th Piet Anniversary.
I=92m excited about the new crop of Pietenpols in the making in various
places
thru the country, Canada (Bill Church)
and elsewhere coming along.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Markle's visiting Helsper ? |
Jim,
You didn't manage to snag a spare set of those seat belt and shoulder
harnesses from that DC3, did you?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle's visiting Helsper ?
First off, lock up all your valuables. Secondly if your wife is really
pretty-- get
her out of the county while Jim visits.
Don't leave your wallet lying around and lock up any valuable hand tools,
straight-grained
sitka spruce and a/c quality plywood or AN hardware.
Good Lord, we'd better pray for you Dan. You've NEVER met THE Jim Markle ?
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| Subject: | Re: Progress Report |
Having never done this before (full scale) I just took a page out of Tony Bengelis'
construction manuals (and some R/C experience) and built a vertical jig.
I never really considered building them on a table top. I did build a few R/C
wings back in the 80s on a table top, but I've used an elevated wing jig on
those too since the early 90s. To answer you question Gary... yes, I slid my
ribs into place while the spars were supported by the jig. I hope this method
works out ok. The only thing I am concerned about is that the jig supports are
8' apart (the width of my workbench), so I may encounter some sagging in the
middle (?) not sure. I'll take some measurements tonight to see if an extra
support might be required.
Anyone have any suggestions concerning this method?
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Fuselage building and material;exelente |
I have to agree with Gary....we have a MacBeath Hardwood here in SLC,
UT and the prices are great I got my Spruce and ply and I don't have to
pay shipping costs.
Brian
SLC, UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
Jorge,
All the 1/8" plywood on my project is Marine Mahogany which I purchased
locally. In fact, I just found a new supplier in the San Francisco Bay
Area that is far cheaper. The last sheet I bought from MacBeath Hardwood
was $25!! If you just need some scraps for making gussets for your tail,
let me know.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down...)
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jorge
lizarraga
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
hi im jorge from hanford ca, in these moment i folow thw nex step tp
build my piet is the tail section stare whit the stavilizer and look you
mail is bery nice to have okume plywood sprus sale for the same size 98
a pise 4X8FT IF YOU NOW SOME GUYS BUILD THE SIDE COVER WHIT THESE WOOD
YOUNOW . tanks for you mail and seyou nex
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two
locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some
builders have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other
locations, to avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is
that it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues.
This will prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow
become soaked with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade
plywood for the fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume
Marine Ply (Okoume is a mahogany-like tropical wood). While it is not
quite as strong as Aircraft ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong
enough for this purpose, and is manufactured using waterproof (also
boilproof) glues. In addition to the lower cost, it is also lighter (in
weight, as well as color) than Birch, and available in 4' x 8' sheets.
A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
http://www.noahsmarine.com/
http://www.boulterplywood.com/
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Progress Report |
Thanks! I would think that stretching a string from butt to tip and the
trammeling process would take care of any sag...all done before leading and
trailing edge.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Report
Having never done this before (full scale) I just took a page out of Tony
Bengelis' construction manuals (and some R/C experience) and built a
vertical jig. I never really considered building them on a table top. I
did build a few R/C wings back in the 80s on a table top, but I've used an
elevated wing jig on those too since the early 90s. To answer you question
Gary... yes, I slid my ribs into place while the spars were supported by the
jig. I hope this method works out ok. The only thing I am concerned about
is that the jig supports are 8' apart (the width of my workbench), so I may
encounter some sagging in the middle (?) not sure. I'll take some
measurements tonight to see if an extra support might be required.
Anyone have any suggestions concerning this method?
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259457#259457
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| Subject: | Fuselage building and material |
Thank you Bill. Any idea if it is safe to do the side and bottom sheets in
pieces as opposed to 6 foot long lengths?- Aircraft Spruce is going to st
ick me with a trucking fee, (about $95.00 I believe) to ship 5 pounds of pl
ywood because of the length!
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two loc
ations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders h
ave opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avo
id water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
-
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will p
revent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked w
ith water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuse
lage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a ma
hogany-like tropical wood).-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft p
ly made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and is m
anufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the low
er cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, and a
vailable in 4' x 8' sheets.
-
A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
-
-
http://www.noahsmarine.com/
http://www.boulterplywood.com/
-
Bill C.
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| Subject: | 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be |
there with your Pietenpol ?
Mr. Cuy, I believe NX992WD will be at the 85th!- If we can, we can form u
p and go together with whomever else wants to go from our area.
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Right... I'll be looking at that stuff this evening.
Thanks Gary!
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If you use small pieces of plywood, you will need to glue them together
with
scarf joints to retain the strength required. I did this in my
floorboard.
As I recall, I used an 8:1 scarf, so for =BC=94 ply, the scarf was 2=94
wide.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Thank you Bill. Any idea if it is safe to do the side and bottom sheets
in
pieces as opposed to 6 foot long lengths? Aircraft Spruce is going to
stick
me with a trucking fee, (about $95.00 I believe) to ship 5 pounds of
plywood
because of the length!
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two
locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some
builders
have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to
avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is
that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This
will
prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become
soaked
with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the
fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume
is a
mahogany-like tropical wood). While it is not quite as strong as
Aircraft
ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and
is
manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the
lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch,
and
available in 4' x 8' sheets.
A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
http://www.noahsmarine.com/
http://www.boulterplywood.com/
Bill C.
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there with your Pietenpol ?
Mikeeeeee:
I THINK I am on track to make it next year.
Gene
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will
YOU be there with your Pietenpol ?
Normally my posts are =BD in fun, =BD serious but I really would like
to know by way of an informal
straw poll two things.
1.. Who of you is on serious track to have your new flying
Pietenpols at Brodhead in 2010
and
2.. Who of you believe you will have your new Pietenpols flying in 5
years for the 85th Piet Anniversary.
I'm excited about the new crop of Pietenpols in the making in various
places thru the country, Canada (Bill Church)
and elsewhere coming along.
Mike C.
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there with your Pietenpol ?
2010 will be close but I think I'm looking at 2011. Ed Grentzer Left coas
t Florida
From: generambo@msn.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YO
U be there with your Pietenpol ?
Mikeeeeee:
I THINK I am on track to make it next year.
Gene
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU be
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Normally my posts are =BD in fun=2C =BD serious but I really would like to
know by way of an informal
straw poll two things.
Who of you is on serious track to have your new flying Pietenpols at Brod
head in 2010
and
Who of you believe you will have your new Pietenpols flying in 5 years for
the 85th Piet Anniversary.
I'm excited about the new crop of Pietenpols in the making in various place
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Thanks Jack. I gather from your post that a simple butt joint along the cen
ter of one of the side supports is not a good idea?
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
If you use small pieces of plywood, you will need to glue them together wit
h scarf joints to retain the strength required.=C2- I did this in my floo
rboard. As I recall, I used an 8:1 scarf, so for =C2=BC=9D ply, the s
carf was 2=9D wide.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
=C2-
Thank you Bill. Any idea if it is safe to do the side and bottom sheets in
pieces as opposed to 6 foot long lengths?=C2- Aircraft Spruce is going to
stick me with a trucking fee, (about $95.00 I believe) to ship 5 pounds of
plywood because of the length!
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two loc
ations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders h
ave opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avo
id water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
=C2-
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will p
revent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked w
ith water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuse
lage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a ma
hogany-like tropical wood).=C2-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraf
t ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and i
s manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the
lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, an
d available in 4' x 8' sheets.
=C2-
A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
=C2-
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http://www.boulterplywood.com/
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I posted a few pictures a month or so ago of the 612 ribs I'm building.
Here are a few more showing some details of my jig. I made cams from an
old closet pole to hold the strips in the jig. Makes it very easy to
remove the half-glued rib. For the second side, my jig consists of a
flat board with locating blocks at just 3 locations. All I wanted to do
was hold in place on a flat board while the T-88 sets.
I now have 7 ribs completed, with one in the jig ready to glue up.
Quality of the first 3 pictures isn't real great - I snapped them with
my phone. They show my setup for bending the top and bottom capstrips.
Mark Roberts had asked me off-line about bending the strips, so this is
how I do it. My 'steamer' is 4' of 2" ABS pipe. I bungee it standing up
against whatever is handy and fill it full of boiling water with 3
strips at a time. I replace the water 3 or 4 times over about 4 hours to
keep it hot. the rags piled on top keeep the strips submerged and help
keep the heat in. My bending form is a 2x6. The curve came from the top
surface curve of the rib layout. I then scrunched it up horizontally
with my CAD program so that it's a tighter curve to allow for
springback. After 2 ribs I decided that the this still didn't give the
leading edge enough curvature after bending. I really had to force the
strip into the jig and it was difficult to get it aligned right with the
1/2' sq leading edge block. So I free-formed a tighter curve in the
leading 6-7". The strips do now fit the jig better.
The Riblett section is more blunt than the Piet section, so there is
more curvature in both the top and bottom surfaces. Consequently, I
decided to pre-bend the bottom strip as well as the top. I do both bends
in the one bending form. The 2nd picture shows all 3 strip in the form,
with the 2 leading clamps attached. For a top strip I then bend it
further with a 3rd clamp. For bottom strips I just use 2 clamps. The 3rd
picture shows 2 bottom strips and 1 top strip drying in the jig.
Picture 4 is the completed jig. 5 and 6 sshow how I've fitted a block
under the front spar so I can use the standard 4 3/4" spar with the
thicker section. I'll add small wedges on top of both spars when I
assemble the wing.
Pictures 5 and 6 show on of the cams as I initially fit the stop strip,
and then tightened to force it into the correct shape. The lat couple
pictures are details of the leading and trailing edges. The 2 trailing
cams allow me to 'dial-in' the exact location of the strips.
--Ken
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I am on track to be flying later this fall or early winter, and am really hoping
that it is "debugged" enough for me to fly up next year. As Dan mentioned,
we'd like to try to make our grand entrance with two new Fords together, Lord
willing.
Douwe
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Nope. Very little strength in a butt joint. When you make the scarf,
make
the piece wider than you need so you have a test sample to break. The
plywood should tear before the glue joint breaks. With a butt joint,
the
glue will break every time.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Thanks Jack. I gather from your post that a simple butt joint along the
center of one of the side supports is not a good idea?
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
If you use small pieces of plywood, you will need to glue them together
with
scarf joints to retain the strength required. I did this in my
floorboard.
As I recall, I used an 8:1 scarf, so for =BC=94 ply, the scarf was 2=94
wide.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Thank you Bill. Any idea if it is safe to do the side and bottom sheets
in
pieces as opposed to 6 foot long lengths? Aircraft Spruce is going to
stick
me with a trucking fee, (about $95.00 I believe) to ship 5 pounds of
plywood
because of the length!
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two
locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some
builders
have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to
avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is
that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This
will
prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become
soaked
with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the
fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume
is a
mahogany-like tropical wood). While it is not quite as strong as
Aircraft
ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and
is
manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the
lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch,
and
available in 4' x 8' sheets.
A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
<http://www.noahsmarine.com/> http://www.noahsmarine.com/
<http://www.boulterplywood.com/> http://www.boulterplywood.com/
Bill C.
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there wit
Yes I hope to be there. I hope to fly sometime late 2010 as I am retired and can
build every(almost) day. I am not setting a time as I don't want to take any
shortcuts that affect quality or appearance. Still waiting on AS for wood package.
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59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
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Thanks again Jack. I am not trying to argue with you at all, I'm just tryin
g to get my head around what you are telling me.
-
The scarf joint will be along one of the vertical side supports, or will th
e scarf joint be "non-supported" so to speak between supports...in a way.
-
You feel that a butt joint centered along one of the side supports is not g
ood enough. I understand that if the butt joint was "non-supported" that su
re, it is weak, but butted along the center line of an existing vertical si
de support is not good either...yes?
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there with your Pietenpol ?
Beautiful ! We've got a BUNCH OF NEW Pietenpols to look forward to next
year.
That's it-I'm packing my Stratolounger lawn chair in the car and my cooler
and I'm going to sit out there with
Jeff Boatright (unless he flies up in 2010 with his Piet) and take videos
of you guys all doing landings and takeoffs
without a video camera.
You can do it Gene.....prioritize man:)
PS-we'll be grading landings like they do during Olympic events.
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Ken,
great pictures, one comment though, instead of wrapping the top of your
bending soaker pipe with towels and risking damaging the towels use the
cat that is sitting on the chair, the tail makes a great handle for
pulling it out of the tube, and you can stuff it in with the next cap
strip. ;-)
Jake
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If the plans call for a single sheet of ply, and you wish to replicate the
strength of a single sheet of ply, then you need to join the multiple pieces
with scarf joints. Jack seemed pretty clear, but for another opinion, here's
what Tony Bingelis has to say along those lines:
"First, let me emphatically state that butt joints have no place in wing
construction unless called for by the designer - a most unlikely thing. An
aircraft engineer designer may, on rare occasion, show a butt joint in a
fuselage design, for example, but he would incorporate a plywood splice
plate to reinforce it. A simple butt joint made directly over a solid wood
upright or frame would never do because a solid wood piece could easily
split and fail the joint.
On the other hand, a good scarf joint will transmit just about 100% of the
load from one panel to the other.
Your plywood scarf splices should have a minimum slope of 10:1, preferably,
12:1 for wing skins on spars. A few builders may go overboard and try to
make scarf splices using 16:1 and shallower scarf slopes. This is
unnecessary and results in a very flimsy feathered edge that is easily
damaged."
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Thanks again Jack. I am not trying to argue with you at all, I'm just
> trying to get my head around what you are telling me.
>
> The scarf joint will be along one of the vertical side supports, or will
> the scarf joint be "non-supported" so to speak between supports...in a way.
>
> You feel that a butt joint centered along one of the side supports is not
> good enough. I understand that if the butt joint was "non-supported" that
> sure, it is weak, but butted along the center line of an existing vertical
> side support is not good either...yes?
>
> **
>
>
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there wi
Count me in on the peanut gallery. I'll be flying my blue ice chest from my lawn
chair.
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I am looking to buy a good wooden 76 x 42 prop. Preferably new, but will consider
a good used one.
Thanks,
Chris
crusch@lakefield.net
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A butt joint won't be as good as a scarf joint, because you will need to
join the pieces of plywood together before gluing them down to the fuselage
structure, and they have a curve in them. A scarf joint, properly done, is
as strong as an uninterrupted sheet of plywood
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Perez
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Thanks again Jack. I am not trying to argue with you at all, I'm just trying
to get my head around what you are telling me.
The scarf joint will be along one of the vertical side supports, or will the
scarf joint be "non-supported" so to speak between supports...in a way.
You feel that a butt joint centered along one of the side supports is not
good enough. I understand that if the butt joint was "non-supported" that
sure, it is weak, but butted along the center line of an existing vertical
side support is not good either...yes?
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Thank you Jack and Ryan. Seems like we are all on the same page, now, final
ly. Since I do not want to take the time to learn, build, practice and make
a scarf joint in my plywood skins, I will stick to the full sheet...althou
gh it won't be coming from A. Spruce.
-
I find it strange that a butt joint over an existing upright is not good pr
actice, but I trust that there are reasons for not doing it and that works
for me.- This list is great for such advice and guidance!-
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be there with your Pietenpol ?
Hey, now, surely I'll have the induction leak found and fixed by
2010! You guys should really be pulling for me to make the flight up
in our Piet. My landings will make everyone's look GREAT!
>That's it-I'm packing my Stratolounger lawn chair in the car and my
>cooler and I'm going to sit out there with Jeff Boatright (unless
>he flies up in 2010 with his Piet) and take videos of you guys all
>doing landings and takeoffs without a video camera.
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I can appreciate your thinking on the butt joint not being sufficient when
placed over an existing upright, as in other types of construction like a
house it would make sense.
However, remember that the purpose of the plywood sides and bottom as
designed on the plane are not there to simply add a 'hard siding' to the
fuselage, but to add the reinforcing necessary to sustain the various loads
on the plane in normal and extreme operation.
So, as we know from life in general, the weakest link in a chain (or
structure) will fail, and usually when you need it to NOT fail the most
(perhaps a hard landing, etc). Without a scarf joint (a tapered overlaping
of the plywood edges) the plywood is simply joined via a butt joint over a
fuse upright. Essentially the only strength there is the limited amount
offered by the long edge, and when you consider that it is only an 1/8inch
thick, that's not much. A lapped/scarfed joint shares that load over about a
1"-2" width along the edge, much like the difference in taping 2 pieces of
paper together: overlapping them a bit is stronger than taping them edge to
edge.
Instead of 1/8" butted together on the joint between the 2 edges, you have
an overlap if about an inch or so giving a really good joint to 2 thin
pieces of plywood, and offering the joint much more strength.
Do you have a copy of Tony
Bingelis<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&sort=relevancerank&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Tony%20Bingelis>books?
I have 'the Sport Plane Builder' (
http://www.amazon.com/Sportplane-Builder-Aircraft-Construction-Bingelis/dp/094000030X)
and need to get the other 3 before too long. This is a great reference for
additional info on this question as well as many others!!
Mark
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> Thank you Jack and Ryan. Seems like we are all on the same page, now,
> finally. Since I do not want to take the time to learn, build, practice and
> make a scarf joint in my plywood skins, I will stick to the full
> sheet...although it won't be coming from A. Spruce.
>
> I find it strange that a butt joint over an existing upright is not good
> practice, but I trust that there are reasons for not doing it and that works
> for me. This list is great for such advice and guidance!
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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I second the need for Tony Bengelis' books, although I found "The Sportplane Builder"
and "Sportplane Construction Techniques" to be very similar. If you can
only afford one of the two right now, I would recommend "The Sportpane Builder."
The other two that round out the set of four that everyone references, "Firewall
Forward" and "Converting Auto Engines" are equally good in the information they
provide. I honestly haven't dug into either very deeply yet, but I have thumbed
through both a time or two and I can tell that they will be very helpful
when the time comes.
My 2% of a dollar.
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be there wit
Jerry,
You say you started building last month, and hope to fly sometime late
2010? Very ambitious.
When you say you are not setting a time, do you mean "time of day"? Late
2010 sounds like setting a time to me.
Being able to build every day will definitely speed up the process, but
don't get discouraged if you find that things seem to be taking longer
than you expected. Enjoy the ride.
Having said that, some people are very quick to get things done. Maybe
you're one of those guys.
Have fun.
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Dotson
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will
YOU be there wit
Yes I hope to be there. I hope to fly sometime late 2010 as I am retired
and can build every(almost) day. I am not setting a time as I don't want
to take any shortcuts that affect quality or appearance. Still waiting
on AS for wood package.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
using Lycoming O-235
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Thanks Mark for the more detailed explanation on the butt/scarf joints.-
-You and Ryan made reference to the- Tony Bingelis books...here is how
big of a loser I am...sure I have them, I have all of his set...did I look
in there for my answer? NOPE! I always forget that I have them! I need to s
et them out in my shop area in the open so I see them all the time. Would h
ave saved us all some headache.
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K5, as you may have seen my other post...I have the- Tony Bingelis books,
I have them tucked away and always forget I have them. (loser)- They are
no going to be placed out in the shop in the wide open so I won't forget a
gain!
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be there wit
Jerry, one thing that I found almost a year into my building was fatigue/bu
rnout. I felt like I was losing interest and started to get bummed because
I wasn't out in the shop day in and day out like I was at first. The guilt
started to set in because I believed I NEEDED to be out there all the time
like it was week one every week.
-
I took two weeks off to build some furniture for the house. What a help tha
t was! I came back to the plane refreshed, eager and ready to bring it!
-
My point: IF you find yourself slowing down, getting bored, losing motivati
on someday, just take a break...in the long run, it will be a benefit.-
-
If you never feel that way, then I guess you will be at Air Venture in 2010
!
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there wit
eng(at)canadianrogers.com wrote:
>
> When you say you are not setting a time, do you mean "time of day"?
> --
I was thinking the same thing... but that is funny. [Shocked]
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| Subject: | Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair |
"Unsafe at any speed" - that's what I was thinking of painting on the side
of my Piet. Probably wouldn't get many passengers volunteering to take rides
though.
rick
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I had fun flying the past few days, racking up almost
> 4 hrs of just enjoying the nice weather untill, I finnally found out how
> quiet a piet is when the engine stops in flight................wait for
> it.......wait for it (waiting for the corvair haters to sling some mud).
> But, I shut it off just to see what it was like. I climbed up to 4000ft,
> about 3000agl, and shut her down, and was just enjoying the silence, and
> comparing the sink rate and feeling with the prop stopped. It seemed to
> glide a little better shut down than with the engine at idle, but maybe it
> just seemed longer. Anyway after loosing 1000ft I hit the starter button
> and she lurched forward like a rocket at only 1/4 throttle. I figured I
> would rather experiance the dead stick the 1st time when I expected it, and
> not be supprized. I have had a blast trying to burn the remaining 130 gal
> of 100LL I bought for the year, I only have 2-3 months and then it's just
> too cold.
>
> Enjoy those aircraft engines, they are good too, They better be, my project
> is a small bipe with only 16ft span and it has a lyc, our cassutt will need
> a 0-200, and both glide like a streamlined crowbar.
>
> Shad
> Corvair: "Unsafe at any speed" he he he
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Group,
I have been debating on the type of engine for my Piet. I need
something with horses since my field elevation here in UT is 4700ft. My
neighbor has been over to visit and see my project as well as my T-craft
project. He told me he has an old 0-235 on an airboat that he would sell
me for $1200. It runs but leaks oil like crazy and needs new mags and
who knows what else. It has a carb, not sure which type and the junker
boat. I could turn and sell the boat for $600 and have a certified
engine for $600. My fear is buying an old engine with no logs and an
unknown history and having to pay big money to have it gone through to
be able to put it on my Piet. Any suggestions from experienced fliers
would be appreciated.
Brian
SLC, UT
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L <<Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)>>
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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| Subject: | Flying behind a silent Corvair |
No worse than "Icarus Plummet", although a lot of people don't understand
the reference.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
"Unsafe at any speed" - that's what I was thinking of painting on the side
of my Piet. Probably wouldn't get many passengers volunteering to take rides
though.
rick
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I had fun flying the past few days, racking up almost 4
hrs of just enjoying the nice weather untill, I finnally found out how
quiet a piet is when the engine stops in flight................wait for
it.......wait for it (waiting for the corvair haters to sling some mud).
But, I shut it off just to see what it was like. I climbed up to 4000ft,
about 3000agl, and shut her down, and was just enjoying the silence, and
comparing the sink rate and feeling with the prop stopped. It seemed to
glide a little better shut down than with the engine at idle, but maybe it
just seemed longer. Anyway after loosing 1000ft I hit the starter button
and she lurched forward like a rocket at only 1/4 throttle. I figured I
would rather experiance the dead stick the 1st time when I expected it, and
not be supprized. I have had a blast trying to burn the remaining 130 gal
of 100LL I bought for the year, I only have 2-3 months and then it's just
too cold.
Enjoy those aircraft engines, they are good too, They better be, my project
is a small bipe with only 16ft span and it has a lyc, our cassutt will need
a 0-200, and both glide like a streamlined crowbar.
Shad
Corvair: "Unsafe at any speed" he he he
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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there wit
When I said I wasn't setting a time I meant....wellll if it takes to 2012 to do
it right...OK. Late 2010 looks reasonable. That may change stay tuned. In the
mid eighties I built my home (10 months) I decided to build my own red oak cabinets.
It took me 6 weeks when I thought it might take 2!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
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Good engine choice for that elevation. Buy it and overhaul it yourself.
These engines are pretty simple. Buy the Mattituck video on overhauling an
O-200 Continental. There's not much different between the small
Continentals and the small Lycomings, other than the method of securing the
pushrod tubes. Buy the overhaul manual, or I can send you a pdf of the
O-235 manual. Buy new bearings, new oil seal, new cylinder O-rings, new
gaskets. Figure on sending the cylinders out for work unless you can do it
yourself. Upper end you will spend about $800 apiece if the cylinders are
junk. Send the crankcase to Divco for overhaul (they will mill down the
faces to make it dead flat, then rebore the crankshaft and camshaft
bearings). Aircraft Specialties is probably the best at overhauling
crankshafts and camshafts. Put new magnetos on it and have the carburetor
overhauled. You can end up with a really good engine for less than $10,000.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine question
Group,
I have been debating on the type of engine for my Piet. I need something
with horses since my field elevation here in UT is 4700ft. My neighbor has
been over to visit and see my project as well as my T-craft project. He told
me he has an old 0-235 on an airboat that he would sell me for $1200. It
runs but leaks oil like crazy and needs new mags and who knows what else.
It has a carb, not sure which type and the junker boat. I could turn and
sell the boat for $600 and have a certified engine for $600. My fear is
buying an old engine with no logs and an unknown history and having to pay
big money to have it gone through to be able to put it on my Piet. Any
suggestions from experienced fliers would be appreciated.
Brian
SLC, UT
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)
801-594-3482
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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| Subject: | Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU |
be there wit
Go Jerry!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jerry
Dotson
Sent: Tue 25/08/2009 7:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will
YOU be there wit
When I said I wasn't setting a time I meant....wellll if it takes to
2012 to do it right...OK. Late 2010 looks reasonable. That may change
stay tuned. In the mid eighties I built my home (10 months) I decided to
build my own red oak cabinets. It took me 6 weeks when I thought it
might take 2!
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259582#259582
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| Subject: | Flying behind a silent Corvair |
I got the idea from the old "Pogo" comic strip by Walt Kelly. One of the
characters was a kangaroo who flew a rickity old biplane. Here's the strip.
Ever since I saw that, I decided if I ever built an airplane it would be an
"Icarus Plummet, S.O.S. Mayday Model"
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
Actually I loved the irony of the name. I wish something as neat will come
to mind for mine
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
_____
From: "Jack Phillips"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
No worse than "Icarus Plummet", although a lot of people don't understand
the reference.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
"Unsafe at any speed" - that's what I was thinking of painting on the side
of my Piet. Probably wouldn't get many passengers volunteering to take rides
though.
rick
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I had fun flying the past few days, racking up almost 4
hrs of just enjoying the nice weather untill, I finnally found out how
quiet a piet is when the engine stops in flight................wait for
it.......wait for it (waiting for the corvair haters to sling some mud).
But, I shut it off just to see what it was like. I climbed up to 4000ft,
about 3000agl, and shut her down, and was just enjoying the silence, and
comparing the sink rate and feeling with the prop stopped. It seemed to
glide a little better shut down than with the engine at idle, but maybe it
just seemed longer. Anyway after loosing 1000ft I hit the starter button
and she lurched forward like a rocket at only 1/4 throttle. I figured I
would rather experiance the dead stick the 1st time when I expected it, and
not be supprized. I have had a blast trying to burn the remaining 130 gal
of 100LL I bought for the year, I only have 2-3 months and then it's just
too cold.
Enjoy those aircraft engines, they are good too, They better be, my project
is a small bipe with only 16ft span and it has a lyc, our cassutt will need
a 0-200, and both glide like a streamlined crowbar.
Shad
Corvair: "Unsafe at any speed" he he he
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair |
If you are an old race fan, I would call it "The Greatest Spectacle in
Recine" with a couple of checkered flag wings.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 25, 2009, at 6:53 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
> Actually I loved the irony of the name. I wish something as neat
> will come to mind for mine
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
> From: "Jack Phillips"
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:33:38 -0400
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
>
> No worse than =93Icarus Plummet=94, although a lot of people don=92t
> understand the reference.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:46 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
>
> "Unsafe at any speed" - that's what I was thinking of painting on
> the side of my Piet. Probably wouldn't get many passengers
> volunteering to take rides though.
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I had fun flying the past few days, racking up
> almost 4 hrs of just enjoying the nice weather untill, I finnally
> found out how quiet a piet is when the engine stops in
> flight................wait for it.......wait for it (waiting for the
> corvair haters to sling some mud). But, I shut it off just to see
> what it was like. I climbed up to 4000ft, about 3000agl, and shut
> her down, and was just enjoying the silence, and comparing the sink
> rate and feeling with the prop stopped. It seemed to glide a little
> better shut down than with the engine at idle, but maybe it just
> seemed longer. Anyway after loosing 1000ft I hit the starter button
> and she lurched forward like a rocket at only 1/4 throttle. I
> figured I would rather experiance the dead stick the 1st time when I
> expected it, and not be supprized. I have had a blast trying to
> burn the remaining 130 gal of 100LL I bought for the year, I only
> have 2-3 months and then it's just too cold.
>
> Enjoy those aircraft engines, they are good too, They better be, my
> project is a small bipe with only 16ft span and it has a lyc, our
> cassutt will need a 0-200, and both glide like a streamlined crowbar.
>
> Shad
> Corvair: "Unsafe at any speed" he he he
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
Matronics
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
==============
http://forums.matronics.com
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair |
Speaking of Icarus, read the book "Chasing Icarus"--Jim Lagowski
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
No worse than "Icarus Plummet", although a lot of people don't
understand the reference.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:46 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
"Unsafe at any speed" - that's what I was thinking of painting on the
side of my Piet. Probably wouldn't get many passengers volunteering to
take rides though.
rick
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I had fun flying the past few days, racking
up almost 4 hrs of just enjoying the nice weather untill, I finnally
found out how quiet a piet is when the engine stops in
flight................wait for it.......wait for it (waiting for the
corvair haters to sling some mud). But, I shut it off just to see what
it was like. I climbed up to 4000ft, about 3000agl, and shut her down,
and was just enjoying the silence, and comparing the sink rate and
feeling with the prop stopped. It seemed to glide a little better shut
down than with the engine at idle, but maybe it just seemed longer.
Anyway after loosing 1000ft I hit the starter button and she lurched
forward like a rocket at only 1/4 throttle. I figured I would rather
experiance the dead stick the 1st time when I expected it, and not be
supprized. I have had a blast trying to burn the remaining 130 gal of
100LL I bought for the year, I only have 2-3 months and then it's just
too cold.
Enjoy those aircraft engines, they are good too, They better be,
my project is a small bipe with only 16ft span and it has a lyc, our
cassutt will need a 0-200, and both glide like a streamlined crowbar.
Shad
Corvair: "Unsafe at any speed" he he he
"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listtp://f
orums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Progress Report |
I built my wings on a table consisting of two used hollow panel doors which
were joined by stringers on each side to make one long table on saw horses.
Worked just fine. The doors cost me $20 total from
a building mat'l reuse place. The spars were set up on 2 by 4's and the ribs
slid on.--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Report
>
> Having never done this before (full scale) I just took a page out of Tony
> Bengelis' construction manuals (and some R/C experience) and built a
> vertical jig. I never really considered building them on a table top. I
> did build a few R/C wings back in the 80s on a table top, but I've used an
> elevated wing jig on those too since the early 90s. To answer you
> question Gary... yes, I slid my ribs into place while the spars were
> supported by the jig. I hope this method works out ok. The only thing I
> am concerned about is that the jig supports are 8' apart (the width of my
> workbench), so I may encounter some sagging in the middle (?) not sure.
> I'll take some measurements tonight to see if an extra support might be
> required.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions concerning this method?
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259457#259457
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU |
be there wit
I just tell people I'll be done in September. When they reply "really - do
n't you have a lot left to do?" I just say=2C yes - but I'll still be done
by September - I didn't say which year.
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- w
ill YOU be there wit
> Date: Tue=2C 25 Aug 2009 19:54:59 -0400
> From: eng@canadianrogers.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Go Jerry!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jerry Dotson
> Sent: Tue 25/08/2009 7:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will
YOU be there wit
>
>
> When I said I wasn't setting a time I meant....wellll if it takes to 2012
to do it right...OK. Late 2010 looks reasonable. That may change stay tune
d. In the mid eighties I built my home (10 months) I decided to build my ow
n red oak cabinets. It took me 6 weeks when I thought it might take 2!
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker=2C FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009
> Ribs all done
> using Lycoming O-235
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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That's great Mike-- I know that's one of the first things we talked about and you
ordered those books up front trusting me (your first mistake:) and they are
GREAT BOOKS !!!!!!!!!!!!
Before this list was started (back in the olden days when Utah Steve E. from BYU
started the e-mail list) when we used to write our questions and replies on
stone
tablets and pass them around, I would get to scratching my head on a certain part
of the plane late at night and WHALA---- Tony had my answer in his books !
I got so much lousy info from guys at the airport, other builders, and supposed
airplane experts that I would always use the Bingelis books as a litmus test
to see what he
thought--Tony was and still is a tremendous asset to airplane builders everywhere.
I wore out my Bingelis books and just a few weeks ago had to get them out to look
up cable nicopressing order on 1/8" cable nicopress sleeves. He's been gone
for several
years now but God bless him-- he's still helping us out--we just have to read up
in the index and see where he covers it.
EAA.org carries all of the Bingelis book series or you can fine sets of them on
ebay or Amazon.com sometimes at better prices when widows (airplanes are dangerous
and
old guys with airplanes die regularly of nature causes:)) sell them.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | One builder's rule of thumb-- how long will it take ? |
I thought I'd be flying in two years. It took 4.5 years.
Everything I thought would take X amount of time took Two Times X...or a bit longer.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Progress Report |
I have two heavy duty 8' x 4' tables with leveling feet that can be placed end
to end in order to make a single 16' x 4' table. Would that be recommended?
Does anyone see difficulties with the way I am approaching my wings? I really
haven't got too far with them, and I don't have much invested in the jigs...
if there is a better way, or good reasons to have them flat, please speak up.
I've never done this before on full scale stuff... so I'm sure there is plenty
I don't know. I just look for pictures and try to copy what I see. [Laughing]
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| Subject: | Re: One builder's rule of thumb-- how long will it take |
?
That is very comforting Michael. How long will it take? When I finish I will tell.
It has been 35 years or more since I did rib stitching but I remember it as
like watching grass grow in Arizona.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair |
Jack,
Always loved your choice of a name - never any mention of wax,
however, so I assume you won't have the same problem (besides, i
think the problem altitude is a lot higher than your ceiling).
Considering calling mine "sweetie" - along with a graphic of a skunk
peaking out of a darkened hangar.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> No worse than =93Icarus Plummet=94, although a lot of people don=92t
> understand the reference.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:46 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
>
> "Unsafe at any speed" - that's what I was thinking of painting on
> the side of my Piet. Probably wouldn't get many passengers
> volunteering to take rides though.
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I had fun flying the past few days, racking up
> almost 4 hrs of just enjoying the nice weather untill, I finnally
> found out how quiet a piet is when the engine stops in
> flight................wait for it.......wait for it (waiting for
> the corvair haters to sling some mud). But, I shut it off just to
> see what it was like. I climbed up to 4000ft, about 3000agl, and
> shut her down, and was just enjoying the silence, and comparing the
> sink rate and feeling with the prop stopped. It seemed to glide a
> little better shut down than with the engine at idle, but maybe it
> just seemed longer. Anyway after loosing 1000ft I hit the starter
> button and she lurched forward like a rocket at only 1/4 throttle.
> I figured I would rather experiance the dead stick the 1st time
> when I expected it, and not be supprized. I have had a blast
> trying to burn the remaining 130 gal of 100LL I bought for the
> year, I only have 2-3 months and then it's just too cold.
>
> Enjoy those aircraft engines, they are good too, They better be, my
> project is a small bipe with only 16ft span and it has a lyc, our
> cassutt will need a 0-200, and both glide like a streamlined crowbar.
>
> Shad
> Corvair: "Unsafe at any speed" he he he
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying behind a silent Corvair |
Thought I'd seen almost every Pogo strip ever drawn, but somehow I
missed this one - makes your choice even better IMHO.
Kip Gardner
do not archive
On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> I got the idea from the old =93Pogo=94 comic strip by Walt Kelly. One
> of the characters was a kangaroo who flew a rickity old biplane.
> Here=92s the strip=85
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> Ever since I saw that, I decided if I ever built an airplane it
> would be an =93Icarus Plummet, S.O.S. Mayday Model=94
>
> Jack
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:54 PM
> To: Pietenpol builders Board
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
>
> Actually I loved the irony of the name. I wish something as neat
> will come to mind for mine
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> From: "Jack Phillips"
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:33:38 -0400
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
> No worse than =93Icarus Plummet=94, although a lot of people don=92t
> understand the reference.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:46 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying behind a silent Corvair
>
> "Unsafe at any speed" - that's what I was thinking of painting on
> the side of my Piet. Probably wouldn't get many passengers
> volunteering to take rides though.
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Fellow Piet'ers, I had fun flying the past few days, racking up
> almost 4 hrs of just enjoying the nice weather untill, I finnally
> found out how quiet a piet is when the engine stops in
> flight................wait for it.......wait for it (waiting for
> the corvair haters to sling some mud). But, I shut it off just to
> see what it was like. I climbed up to 4000ft, about 3000agl, and
> shut her down, and was just enjoying the silence, and comparing the
> sink rate and feeling with the prop stopped. It seemed to glide a
> little better shut down than with the engine at idle, but maybe it
> just seemed longer. Anyway after loosing 1000ft I hit the starter
> button and she lurched forward like a rocket at only 1/4 throttle.
> I figured I would rather experiance the dead stick the 1st time
> when I expected it, and not be supprized. I have had a blast
> trying to burn the remaining 130 gal of 100LL I bought for the
> year, I only have 2-3 months and then it's just too cold.
>
> Enjoy those aircraft engines, they are good too, They better be, my
> project is a small bipe with only 16ft span and it has a lyc, our
> cassutt will need a 0-200, and both glide like a streamlined crowbar.
>
> Shad
> Corvair: "Unsafe at any speed" he he he
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Markle-Helsper visit |
Good People,
Jim Markle just left here after a very fruitful 3 hour visit, complete with a still-air,
late evening airplane ride over lush, green midwestern farm country
in my Aeronca Sedan.?Many good conversations, and conclusions were drawn, that
the guys on this list, and everybody that shows up at Brodhead are the Best.
Thanks to Jim for providing the KFC.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
P.S. John Racine- I took a complete inventory of all my possessions after Jim left.
The only thing missing was a small bottle of water.
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| Subject: | Re: Markle-Helsper visit |
Ah HA!! He's hording water now. [Laughing]
Glad you and Jim had a nice visit. Of course I am a bit jealous that Jim got an
airplane ride.
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| Subject: | Re: Progress Report |
No Mark!!!!
Your doing it all wrong!! That looks like SHI............!!!!!!
Let me know when, and I'll come haul all of that junk away so you can start over
and do it right. [Wink]
Seriously, it's looking good. I see no problem with the way you are doing it. Just
make sure there is no bow in the middle. (I seriously doubt there is.)
Later,
Jody
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| Subject: | Re: Markle-Helsper visit |
Wow Dan you are fortunate. Check your table saw blades. Since I couldn't find my
table saw after he left my shop he's bound to need some new blades by now.
Had to be a great visit however any chicken farmer bringing KFC well it does make
one wonder? You were sitting there eating with a fourflusher feeding you KFC
getting you full so he can work his ways with you to take him flying. Dan its
the oldest trick in the book!
Son, I say son
We call It "the Markle Chicken strut trick". I knew we should have told ya bout
that one
You know Jim is quite a good friend and always a pleasure to have him visit. That
is if you're into frisking guys, Jim enjoys it!
Glad you guys were able to get together
John
------Original Message------
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 25, 2009 10:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle-Helsper visit
Good People,
Jim Markle just left here after a very fruitful 3 hour visit, complete with a still-air,
late evening airplane ride over lush, green midwestern farm country
in my Aeronca Sedan.Many good conversations, and conclusions were drawn, that
the guys on this list, and everybody that shows up at Brodhead are the Best. Thanks
to Jim for providing the KFC.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Markle-Helsper visit |
Yea but Dan hasn't counted his fingers yet. Wait till he finds out he's a few short.
------Original Message------
From: Mark Chunard
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Aug 25, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle-Helsper visit
Ah HA!! He's hording water now. [Laughing]
Glad you and Jim had a nice visit. Of course I am a bit jealous that Jim got an
airplane ride.
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| Subject: | Re: Progress Report |
TulsaFlyer wrote:
> Your doing it all wrong!! That looks like SHI............!!!!!!
Damn, thought that was a Markle post for a minute. Just kidding Jim.
I was concerned with the spars bowing too, so I went up tonight and cut a brace
for the center. It actually was sagging about 1/16" in the center, and may have
got a little worse over time, but it seems solid and square now. Hopefully
it will hang in there while figure out what I am supposed to do next. Ha ha!
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| Subject: | Re: Markle-Helsper visit |
Four Flusher! Haaa ha! I've seen that term used quite a bit lately, but I didn't
know what it meant, so I had to go look it up. Funny stuff. I get the feeling
that there are a LOT of four flushers around here.
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| Subject: | Re: Markle-Helsper visit |
Are you sure that was chicken in the bucket?
Clif
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle-Helsper visit
>
> Yea but Dan hasn't counted his fingers yet. Wait till he finds out he's a
> few short.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259623#259623
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| Subject: | Fuselage building and material;exelente |
is great soun bery good deal you cand senmy these adres in sanfrancisco or
closed you town surply, i buy a set plywood from spruse bery spense materia
l and bery $$$$$$$shiping cost I have loock from cover the side from my fus
elaje. tanks for all you help seyou nex jorge from hanford
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com <brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
> wrote:
From: brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com <brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
I have to agree with=C2- Gary.we have a MacBeath Hardwood here i
n SLC, UT and the prices are great I got my Spruce and ply and I don
=99t have to pay shipping costs.
=C2-
Brian
SLC, UT
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
=C2-
Jorge,
=C2-
All the 1/8=9D plywood on my project is Marine Mahogany which I purch
ased locally. In fact, I just found a new supplier in the San Francisco Bay
Area that is far cheaper. The last sheet I bought from MacBeath Hardwood w
as $25!! If you just need some scraps for making gussets for your tail, let
me know.
=C2-
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear
(13 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jorge lizarraga
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
=C2-
hi im jorge from hanford ca, in these moment i folow thw nex step tp build
my piet is the tail section stare whit the stavilizer and look you mail is
bery nice to have okume plywood sprus sale for the same size 98 a pise 4X8F
T IF YOU NOW SOME GUYS BUILD THE SIDE COVER WHIT THESE WOOD YOUNOW . tanks
for you mail and seyou nex
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two loc
ations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders h
ave opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avo
id water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
=C2-
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will p
revent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked w
ith water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuse
lage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a ma
hogany-like tropical wood).=C2-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraf
t ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and i
s manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the
lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, an
d available in 4' x 8' sheets.
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| Subject: | Fuselage building and material |
ho im in the same dilema bery $$$$$$$$$$cost for plywood and shipingif you
now somthin about the okume plywood i whis to now if some one use these for
cover fuselajo or parts
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Thank you Bill. Any idea if it is safe to do the side and bottom sheets in
pieces as opposed to 6 foot long lengths?- Aircraft Spruce is going to st
ick me with a trucking fee, (about $95.00 I believe) to ship 5 pounds of pl
ywood because of the length!
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two loc
ations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders h
ave opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avo
id water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
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Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will p
revent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked w
ith water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuse
lage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a ma
hogany-like tropical wood).-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft p
ly made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and is m
anufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the low
er cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, and a
vailable in 4' x 8' sheets.
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A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
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http://www.noahsmarine.com/
http://www.boulterplywood.com/
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| Subject: | Fuselage building and material;exelente |
ups=C2- tanks for all you inform i used in my plane birch aircraft plywoo
d mm. buy in spruse but the last buy shiping chargers is almost the same am
ount the wood????if you have thoses scrap pises i like tonow if you like se
lmy those .
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com <brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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From: brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com <brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
I have to agree with=C2- Gary.we have a MacBeath Hardwood here i
n SLC, UT and the prices are great I got my Spruce and ply and I don
=99t have to pay shipping costs.
=C2-
Brian
SLC, UT
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
=C2-
Jorge,
=C2-
All the 1/8=9D plywood on my project is Marine Mahogany which I purch
ased locally. In fact, I just found a new supplier in the San Francisco Bay
Area that is far cheaper. The last sheet I bought from MacBeath Hardwood w
as $25!! If you just need some scraps for making gussets for your tail, let
me know.
=C2-
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear
(13 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jorge lizarraga
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
=C2-
hi im jorge from hanford ca, in these moment i folow thw nex step tp build
my piet is the tail section stare whit the stavilizer and look you mail is
bery nice to have okume plywood sprus sale for the same size 98 a pise 4X8F
T IF YOU NOW SOME GUYS BUILD THE SIDE COVER WHIT THESE WOOD YOUNOW . tanks
for you mail and seyou nex
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two loc
ations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders h
ave opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avo
id water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
=C2-
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will p
revent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked w
ith water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuse
lage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a ma
hogany-like tropical wood).=C2-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraf
t ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and i
s manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the
lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, an
d available in 4' x 8' sheets.
=C2-
A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
=C2-
=C2-
http://www.noahsmarine.com/
http://www.boulterplywood.com/
=C2-
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com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.comllow tar
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thanks for all you inform realy I need all hep ypu guys can givemy the spru
se cost is bery hit if you cant telmy the adress for those suply you have c
an be great and ilike to have thoses scrap plywood you menthioned thanks fo
r all you help jorge from hanford seyou nex
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
Jorge,
=C2-
All the 1/8=9D plywood on my project is Marine Mahogany which I purch
ased locally. In fact, I just found a new supplier in the San Francisco Bay
Area that is far cheaper. The last sheet I bought from MacBeath Hardwood w
as $25!! If you just need some scraps for making gussets for your tail, let
me know.
=C2-
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear
(13 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jorge lizarraga
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material;exelente
=C2-
hi im jorge from hanford ca, in these moment i folow thw nex step tp build
my piet is the tail section stare whit the stavilizer and look you mail is
bery nice to have okume plywood sprus sale for the same size 98 a pise 4X8F
T IF YOU NOW SOME GUYS BUILD THE SIDE COVER WHIT THESE WOOD YOUNOW . tanks
for you mail and seyou nex
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two loc
ations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders h
ave opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avo
id water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).
=C2-
Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that
it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will p
revent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked w
ith water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuse
lage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a ma
hogany-like tropical wood).=C2-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraf
t ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and i
s manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the
lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, an
d available in 4' x 8' sheets.
=C2-
A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:
=C2-
=C2-
http://www.noahsmarine.com/
http://www.boulterplywood.com/
=C2-
Bill C. =C2- =C2-" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.comllow tar
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| Subject: | Re: deadstick flying |
You guys that can choose to stop the prop, instead of waiting for the crankshaft
to break.......sheesh.
I used to do a deadstick aerobatic routine in my stock 1939 Taylorcraft, from 4,000
feet, a five turn spin, then loops, barrel rolls, and reverse cuban 8s.
Don't try this at home, but it did it quite well.
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