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1. 12:09 AM - Re: Re: ASSCO,inc (Clif Dawson)
2. 01:40 AM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Robert Ray)
3. 01:42 AM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Robert Ray)
4. 04:50 AM - portable tie downs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Michael Perez)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: portable tie downs (TOM STINEMETZE)
7. 07:11 AM - Re: Riblett 612 (Ken Chambers)
8. 08:48 AM - Questionare (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Bill Church)
10. 09:41 AM - Re: assertiveness training (Dan Yocum)
11. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Dan Yocum)
12. 10:19 AM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Dan Yocum)
13. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Ryan Mueller)
14. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Gary Boothe)
15. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Bill Church)
16. 10:48 AM - Re: any real WWII aviation historians here? (Mike Whaley)
17. 10:51 AM - doggie augers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
18. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
19. 11:14 AM - Re: any real WWII aviation historians here? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
20. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Dan Yocum)
21. 11:17 AM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Bill Church)
22. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Dan Yocum)
23. 11:22 AM - Re: doggie augers (Jack Phillips)
24. 11:37 AM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Ryan Mueller)
25. 11:54 AM - Re: doggie augers (Bill Church)
26. 12:24 PM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Dan Yocum)
27. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Bill Church)
28. 01:22 PM - Almost time to start covering this thing (Rick Holland)
29. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Jeff Boatright)
30. 02:37 PM - Re: Almost time to start covering this thing (skellytown flyer)
31. 02:49 PM - Re: [piet] Re: Re: portable tie downs (Mike Whaley)
32. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: ASSCO,inc (Ross Alexander)
33. 03:54 PM - Re: nicopress sleeve sizes (joe motis)
34. 08:49 PM - Re: Engine question (Rick Holland)
35. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: portable tie downs (Clif Dawson)
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I know what a Timesert is but what's an Assert?
Clif
>
I am gonna assert myself and you all will be proud of the new me!
>
> John
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Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
I'm not sure as to whether I'll use the baltic birch I have or buy some
GL-2,
I have a different batch than the ply I boiled tested, you really have to
take
a piece of birch and a piece of okume in your hand, try it take a piece
say 2'' by 10'' one okume and one baltic birch then try to break them
with your hands then you get a measure of the strength of each and the birch
is almost the same ratio of strength to weight as 4130 steel.
There are no gaps that I can find in the birch, the outer plys have no knots
of foot balls and you can't break it with your hands, the okume snaps
pretty easy. You have to try this to get the feel for it. However what you
said
makes sense if building a plane why not just buy some gl-1 or 2 birch you
don't have to buy that much to do the gussets, probably one 4x4 sheet would
do
it. So yes I agree with you. I may however experiment a little more
and soak the birch in the bath tub just to see if it de laminates.
I think if it holds I may use it making sure that it is completely soaked in
epoxy
and then spar urethane where absolutely no water can get in.
Like I said I worry about the aging of the glue, is it prone over time
to deteriorate. I may do some research on the glue type and see.
I currently have a camper on my pickup with a large door built out of this
Baltic
birch so far it has faired the weather well but then I can't wait forever
so test every piece of lumber and must go forward.
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Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
I enjoy the discussion and need to here other peoples opinions
and I appreciate it. No man is an Island unless he wants to crash.
Russell
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure as to whether I'll use the baltic birch I have or buy some
> GL-2,
> I have a different batch than the ply I boiled tested, you really have to
> take
> a piece of birch and a piece of okume in your hand, try it take a piece
> say 2'' by 10'' one okume and one baltic birch then try to break them
> with your hands then you get a measure of the strength of each and the
> birch
> is almost the same ratio of strength to weight as 4130 steel.
> There are no gaps that I can find in the birch, the outer plys have no
> knots
> of foot balls and you can't break it with your hands, the okume snaps
> pretty easy. You have to try this to get the feel for it. However what you
> said
> makes sense if building a plane why not just buy some gl-1 or 2 birch you
> don't have to buy that much to do the gussets, probably one 4x4 sheet would
> do
> it. So yes I agree with you. I may however experiment a little more
> and soak the birch in the bath tub just to see if it de laminates.
> I think if it holds I may use it making sure that it is completely soaked
> in epoxy
> and then spar urethane where absolutely no water can get in.
> Like I said I worry about the aging of the glue, is it prone over time
> to deteriorate. I may do some research on the glue type and see.
> I currently have a camper on my pickup with a large door built out of this
> Baltic
> birch so far it has faired the weather well but then I can't wait forever
> so test every piece of lumber and must go forward.
>
>
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Subject: | portable tie downs |
Ryan-the Flyties go in the ground as shown in this photo. In comparison
to the Claw, whose spikes point in toward each
other, the Flyties point away or diverge from each other and also do so wit
h a 'radial twist', if you will, as they are driven in
the ground.
[cid:image003.jpg@01CA27B2.2BECC680]
http://www.flyties.com/
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Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
Hello Robert. I am not going to tell you what to use on your plane, what no
t to use or anything of that nature...unless you ask me too! I will say thi
s:- Keep in mind...weight. That is one of the critical factors in a small
, drag prone aircraft. Any "performance" gain you can get will pay off in t
he long run and being mind full of weight is easy to do and saves some mone
y. Lastly, also keep in mind that the wood pieces will-ultimately be cove
red with some type of protection for moisture and rot as well as glue/adhes
ives, fabric, paint, etc. You may even keep it in a hangar and not left out
side in the elements.
-
-
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
>>> Obviously, I spend too much time in the hardware store!
Ah contrair mine frerre. Nobody can spend too much time in a hardware
store. unh! unh! unh!
do not archive
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Hey Mark
You may have the wrong Ken. I have built a bunch of 612 ribs (30+) but I'm
not the one who sent you photos.
Ken Chambers
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Ken:
>
> Thanks so much for the pictures! I haven't been able to get into the shop
> yet as I am waiting for the sale of all of my RC model stuff to finish up
> (Liquidating it all after many years collecting stuff... Crud: I could have
> owned a well engined Piet for what I sunk into models over the years).
>
> In the mean time, while watching TV with my lovely wife, I have drawn out
> the 613.5 airfoil as well and was looking at the 612 and 613.5 by
> comparison.
>
> Thanks again for the jig pics. Seeing how you made it and the steamer (cat
> included.... we have 3) was a help.
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:16 AM, <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> great pictures, one comment though, instead of wrapping the top of your
>> bending soaker pipe with towels and risking damaging the towels use the cat
>> that is sitting on the chair, the tail makes a great handle for pulling it
>> out of the tube, and you can stuff it in with the next cap strip. ;-)
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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I received this and thought that others may be interested in making their
opinions known. Its not to often Tom asks but anyone having an opinion
should express it,
John
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Subject: | Okoume and fuselage gussets |
Sounds like a plan, Russell.
Would hate to see all the work that goes into building a Piet go to
waste just for a few dollars "savings".
Occasionally one hears about an airplane being restored, and when the
old fabric is removed, the structure basically falls apart - the only
thing holding the structure together was the fabric. Wouldn't want to be
trusting my life to something like that.
Glad to hear you're going to proceed with caution.
Bill C..
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Ray
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Okoume and fuselage gussets
I'm not sure as to whether I'll use the baltic birch I have or buy some
GL-2,
I have a different batch than the ply I boiled tested, you really have
to take
a piece of birch and a piece of okume in your hand, try it take a piece
say 2'' by 10'' one okume and one baltic birch then try to break them
with your hands then you get a measure of the strength of each and the
birch
is almost the same ratio of strength to weight as 4130 steel.
There are no gaps that I can find in the birch, the outer plys have no
knots
of foot balls and you can't break it with your hands, the okume snaps
pretty easy. You have to try this to get the feel for it. However what
you said
makes sense if building a plane why not just buy some gl-1 or 2 birch
you
don't have to buy that much to do the gussets, probably one 4x4 sheet
would do
it. So yes I agree with you. I may however experiment a little more
and soak the birch in the bath tub just to see if it de laminates.
I think if it holds I may use it making sure that it is completely
soaked in epoxy
and then spar urethane where absolutely no water can get in.
Like I said I worry about the aging of the glue, is it prone over time
to deteriorate. I may do some research on the glue type and see.
I currently have a camper on my pickup with a large door built out of
this Baltic
birch so far it has faired the weather well but then I can't wait
forever
so test every piece of lumber and must go forward.
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Subject: | Re: assertiveness training |
My Polish mother-in-law liked to tell me a saying from the old country
that goes something like this:
A husband is the head of the family, but the wife is the neck. And the
neck always turns the head in the direction it wants the head to go.
And let me tell you, those Polish woman know a thing or two about
turning heads (in more ways than one!).
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
Ryan Mueller wrote:
> BYD,
>
> Not to throw stones or anything, but one part of that setup would
> concern me; the concern comes to mind especially because of a video I
> watched the other day:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE
Interesting. I think I might buy myself some doggie augers and weld the
hole shut (after grinding off the plating, of course).
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
OK, just to throw a fly in the ointment, last year (two years ago?) a
friend of mine and I decided to built a Flitzer Z-3 biplane. If you're
not familiar with it, suffice it to say that it's a very cool single
seat bipe designed by Lynn Williams and certified by some government
flight design and testing agency in the UK, the name of which escapes at
the moment.
Anyway, the Flitzer uses 3/8"x3/16" spruce for rib cap material and 1mm
for gusset material of unspecified species (we chose birch). Wing cord
on the Z-3 upper wing is 36", so it's shorter than the Piet.
My question is this: if 1mm gusset material is good enough for an
aerobatic Flitzer why shouldn't it be good enough for a non-aerobatic
Piet?
Dan
Michael Perez wrote:
>
> Hello Robert. I am not going to tell you what to use on your plane, what
> not to use or anything of that nature...unless you ask me too! I will
> say this: Keep in mind...weight. That is one of the critical factors in
> a small, drag prone aircraft. Any "performance" gain you can get will
> pay off in the long run and being mind full of weight is easy to do and
> saves some money. Lastly, also keep in mind that the wood pieces
> will ultimately be covered with some type of protection for moisture and
> rot as well as glue/adhesives, fabric, paint, etc. You may even keep it
> in a hangar and not left outside in the elements.
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
Dan,
Don't know if you watched that clip or not, but near the beginning they note
that the other thing the 'doggie augers' tend to do is have the heads snap
off.... :P
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
>
> Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>> BYD,
>>
>> Not to throw stones or anything, but one part of that setup would concern
>> me; the concern comes to mind especially because of a video I watched the
>> other day:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE
>>
>
> Interesting. I think I might buy myself some doggie augers and weld the
> hole shut (after grinding off the plating, of course).
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
You guys are lucky! You have all those cool, grassy strips, surrounded
by farm land.
Out West, we need a 5lb sledge hammer and steel concrete form stakes to
get thru the rocks!
Gary
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Gary A. Boothe
Sales Manager
CALPLY Architectural Products Division
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Sent: Fri Aug 28 09:51:33 2009
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: portable tie downs
Ryan Mueller wrote:
> BYD,
>
> Not to throw stones or anything, but one part of that setup would
> concern me; the concern comes to mind especially because of a video I
> watched the other day:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE
Interesting. I think I might buy myself some doggie augers and weld the
hole shut (after grinding off the plating, of course).
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
Having watched the video link posted by Ryan, I'm puzzled by something.
Both the Claw and Flyties claim a pullout strength of 1200 pounds, yet
in this testing they only held about 300 pounds in the Florida soil
(what is the soil made of down there, cottage cheese?) and about twice
that amount in some California soil (maybe everybody should carry a
bucketful of california soil with them when they travel). This still
only gets up to HALF of the claimed holding power. So, for these two
companies to make these claims, one must assume that the claims could be
substantiated. Where do you suppose did these two companies did their
testing? I'm guessing that it must have involved a big chunk of granite
and a hammer drill. But seriously, that's WAY off the claimed holding
power.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: any real WWII aviation historians here? |
Hi John,
This intrigued me... hope you don't mind that I reposted your request on the
Warbird forum I follow, thsoe guys have a LOT of Warbird info on stuff like
this so maybe we'll find some more info for you on this.
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=31744
According to a search on that site, "Rio Hato" only appeared about once...
listing the following fates for Boeing B-17E Fortress, it might help with
the search to know the unit/squadron. I've also listed the records
mentioning "Panama". The first no. is the aircraft's S/N, there are all
B-17Es:
2569 (40th BG, 395th BS) damaged in landing accident at Rio Hato, Panama Apr
10, 1943
2422 (6th BG, 3rd BS) crashed at David Field, Panama Jul 14, 1943
2504 used in Panama and returned to USA in 1943.
2506 used in Panama and returned to USA in 1943.
-Mike
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: any real WWII aviation historians here?
On or about March 3, 1942 army air corps bomber squadron was stationed in
Panama. During which time the illegal nose are was being painted on those
ships, mostly anonymously. One of the artist was a young fellow named Nick
Maltese. A graduate of the students art league of New York.
Much if not all the nose art went unclaimed and unsigned as difficult as it
may sound I am looking for some of is work?
Any ideas or assistance on how to find it is greatly appreciated
John
FYI Following is a bit of the family bio
Nick and Frank served in the same theater of operations in the same combat
zone. Frank, who is now 87, was an instructor of aircraft trade classes at
Chanute Field, Ill., and was trained for the 6th Air Force 365th Material
Squadron & Heavy Bombardment Group. He arrived in Panama on March 3, 1942,
after six days and nights, but after the first three of six ships made it
through the canal, the last three ships were ordered to disembark
immediately. These men, including Frank, instead lived isolated in a jungle
outpost
for 2 12 years.
He spent the majority of his time guarding the Pacific entrance to the
Panama Canal, and was stationed at the Rio Hato Air Base in Panama. His
responsibilities included defending the air field, maintaining bombers and
fighters, tracking enemy submarines and rescuing downed aircraft. He also
became
a rear gunner by accident, trained to use a 30-caliber water-cooled gun by a
commander who couldn't locate his men when an alert signal went off.
After serving overseas, Frank was sent to the McClellan Air Base in
California in June, 1944, in preparation for traveling to Guam. During a
two-week
furlough, he went home to New Brunswick to marry his high school
sweetheart and his current wife of 62 years, Florence Nicholson.
(javascript:openimage('029p3_xlg.jpg',472,304)) Nick MalteseHowever,
after the atomic bomb was dropped in 1945, the war ended and his service
was
over. The staff sergeant never returned overseas, but was instead honorably
discharged in October of that year. He received the American Service, Good
Conduct, New Jersey Distinguished Service and Victory medals.
Nick, who is now 88, also enlisted in the Air Corps on Jan. 9, 1942. He
arrived in Panama on the same day as Frank, and was also responsible for
guarding the entrance to the Panama Canal on the Pacific side. He was an
aide
to the commanding general, Lt. General Hubert R. Harmon, on special
assignments operating out of Airbrook Field in the Panama Canal Zone. He was
the
only enlisted person who was allowed to fly over the canal itself without
being shot down.
After his service of 2 12 years, he too was sent back to the McClellan
base on June 8, 1944, in preparation for the invasion of Japan. However,
after the war ended, he was discharged on Oct. 16, 1945. He received the
American Service, Good Conduct and Victory medals.
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In my pre- FlyTie tie down days I found that doggie augers worked well enou
gh for overnight parking at fly-in events
though you have to shop around if you choose to use these because there are
the el-cheapo, cheesy, thin diameter, poorly
manufactured doggie augers and then there are the thicker diameter, chrome
plated (well....they are nicer looking) beefier
ones that don't snap off when you use some bar or thickwalled tube stock to
twist them in .
One danger of the doggie augers is that if you snap the head off (and I've
done it) you have this spiral of steel in the ground
and it is a pain in the Recine to get out. (kidding John-you know we lov
e ya man) I have snapped them off trying to remove
them and the last thing you want to do it leave that in the ground for some
one to trip over or for the brush hog/ finish mower
and airport tractor to find in a flurry of sparks when it hits the mower bl
ades or punctures someone's tire.
I figured I probably spend around $14 K building my plane....what's $75 to
$90 to get a really GOOD tie down set that will protect
all of your hard work on windy days and stormy nights when you're exposed t
o the elements ?
Mike C.
PS-another good reason to tie down is you never know who is going to inadve
rtently point some good prop blasts at your
airplane when they are pulling into park or trying to taxi out. If yo
u're not tied down then your airplane could bash into
another airplane...and make everyone's day crappy.
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
And to boot Bill I thought they said that 1200 lbs was PER STAKE.....that's
a bunch of BS.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: portable tie downs
Having watched the video link posted by Ryan, I'm puzzled by something.
Both the Claw and Flyties claim a pullout strength of 1200 pounds, yet in t
his testing they only held about 300 pounds in the Florida soil (what is th
e soil made of down there, cottage cheese?) and about twice that amount in
some California soil (maybe everybody should carry a bucketful of californi
a soil with them when they travel). This still only gets up to HALF of the
claimed holding power. So, for these two companies to make these claims, on
e must assume that the claims could be substantiated. Where do you suppose
did these two companies did their testing? I'm guessing that it must have i
nvolved a big chunk of granite and a hammer drill. But seriously, that's WA
Y off the claimed holding power.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: any real WWII aviation historians here? |
Mike
Here is a link to the full article if there are any additional clues to be
had form it.
_North Brunswick's men (and woman) of steel | NBS.gmnews.com | North South
Brun_ (http://nbs.gmnews.com/news/2007/0222/Front_page/029.html)
_North Brunswick's men (and woman) of steel | NBS.gmnews.com | North South
Brun_ (http://nbs.gmnews.com/news/2007/0222/Front_page/029.html)
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
I bet the installation instructions say something to the effect of "Do
not install directly below the tie-down points on your aircraft.
Install at least 5' away to maximize holding strength."
Mike - good point on the cheesy doggie augers and twisted off heads.
We've had enough rain around here that the ground is sufficiently soft
this year, but usually when August rolls around it does get awful hard
to work with... Think I'll shell out the dough and get The Claw and
make sure I install them far enough away to get the maximum strength.
Thanks all,
Dan
Bill Church wrote:
> Having watched the video link posted by Ryan, I'm puzzled by something.
>
> Both the Claw and Flyties claim a pullout strength of 1200 pounds, yet
> in this testing they only held about 300 pounds in the Florida soil
> (what is the soil made of down there, cottage cheese?) and about twice
> that amount in some California soil (maybe everybody should carry a
> bucketful of california soil with them when they travel). This still
> only gets up to HALF of the claimed holding power. So, for these two
> companies to make these claims, one must assume that the claims could be
> substantiated. Where do you suppose did these two companies did their
> testing? I'm guessing that it must have involved a big chunk of granite
> and a hammer drill. But seriously, that's WAY off the claimed holding power.
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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Subject: | Okoume and fuselage gussets |
Well Dan,
I think you're sort of comparing apples and oranges.
There isn't a "standard" thickness for rib gussets. It would depend on a
number of factors. The Piet's chord is 5 ft, the Flitzer is 3 ft. The
Piet's wingspan is 29 ft, the Flitzer's is maybe 20 ft.
It may well be that the Piet's gussets could be made of 1mm plywood,
provided they were sized properly. See the attached photo that I just
grabbed off the web - you can see that the size of the gussets is quite
large, relative to the area of the rib. You will also see that several
of the ribs are almost fully skinned with plywood.
Another reason why the Piet's gussets are 1/16" rather than 1mm is that
the Piet was designed in 1929,and they hadn't even invented millimeters
yet.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
They probably stuck those stakes in by the goalposts on a football field
and started pulling from the 50 yard line. Sure, it's 300lb pulling
*straight up*, but when you're out at an angle, the force required is
going to be a lot more.
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> And to boot Bill I thought they said that 1200 lbs was PER
> STAKE..thats a bunch of BS.
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Church
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2009 1:23 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: portable tie downs
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>
> Having watched the video link posted by Ryan, I'm puzzled by something.
>
>
>
> Both the Claw and Flyties claim a pullout strength of 1200 pounds, yet
> in this testing they only held about 300 pounds in the Florida soil
> (what is the soil made of down there, cottage cheese?) and about twice
> that amount in some California soil (maybe everybody should carry a
> bucketful of california soil with them when they travel). This still
> only gets up to HALF of the claimed holding power. So, for these two
> companies to make these claims, one must assume that the claims could be
> substantiated. Where do you suppose did these two companies did their
> testing? I'm guessing that it must have involved a big chunk of granite
> and a hammer drill. But seriously, that's WAY off the claimed holding power.
>
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> Bill C.
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Just to add to what Mike said about investing $75 to $90 in GOOD tie-downs,
I've had my Pietenpol weather some pretty intense winds from storms
(including the Friday night close encounter with a tornado at Brodhead this
summer) and have never had a moment's problem with "The Claw" (cheesey name,
isn't it?). I always tie the stick back with the seatbelt to give some
margin of gustlock to the controls, except for the rudder and the tailwheel
gives it some stability.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: doggie augers
In my pre- FlyTie tie down days I found that doggie augers worked well
enough for overnight parking at fly-in events
though you have to shop around if you choose to use these because there are
the el-cheapo, cheesy, thin diameter, poorly
manufactured doggie augers and then there are the thicker diameter, chrome
plated (well..they are nicer looking) beefier
ones that don't snap off when you use some bar or thickwalled tube stock to
twist them in .
One danger of the doggie augers is that if you snap the head off (and I've
done it) you have this spiral of steel in the ground
and it is a pain in the Recine to get out. (kidding John-you know we love
ya man) I have snapped them off trying to remove
them and the last thing you want to do it leave that in the ground for
someone to trip over or for the brush hog/ finish mower
and airport tractor to find in a flurry of sparks when it hits the mower
blades or punctures someone's tire.
I figured I probably spend around $14 K building my plane..what's $75 to $90
to get a really GOOD tie down set that will protect
all of your hard work on windy days and stormy nights when you're exposed to
the elements ?
Mike C.
PS-another good reason to tie down is you never know who is going to
inadvertently point some good prop blasts at your
airplane when they are pulling into park or trying to taxi out. If
you're not tied down then your airplane could bash into
another airplane.and make everyone's day crappy.
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Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
A rough running of the numbers shows the Flitzer having a wing area of about
112 sq ft, so at an aerobatic gross of 1000lbs the wing loading would only
be a bit more than .5 lb/sq ft than the Piet (roughly); that makes them
comparable enough. As Bill said, the extensive plywood skinning would make a
difference. Maybe the fact that they are more compact ribs, and more
'densely packed' with uprights and diagonals than the Piet ribs....
http://www.flitzerbiplane.com/images/JeffBeach/RibJig.jpg
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
>
> Well Dan,
>
> I think you're sort of comparing apples and oranges.
> There isn't a "standard" thickness for rib gussets. It would depend on a
> number of factors. The Piet's chord is 5 ft, the Flitzer is 3 ft. The
> Piet's wingspan is 29 ft, the Flitzer's is maybe 20 ft.
> It may well be that the Piet's gussets could be made of 1mm plywood,
> provided they were sized properly. See the attached photo that I just
> grabbed off the web - you can see that the size of the gussets is quite
> large, relative to the area of the rib. You will also see that several
> of the ribs are almost fully skinned with plywood.
>
> Another reason why the Piet's gussets are 1/16" rather than 1mm is that
> the Piet was designed in 1929,and they hadn't even invented millimeters
> yet.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
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Now, how does one tie down an airplane with this?
And why are some people snapping the heads off. That's cruel.
maybe I've misunderstood something...
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Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
Bill Church wrote:
> grabbed off the web - you can see that the size of the gussets is quite
> large, relative to the area of the rib. You will also see that several
> of the ribs are almost fully skinned with plywood.
Those are the compression ribs, yep.
>
> Another reason why the Piet's gussets are 1/16" rather than 1mm is that
Oh, 1/16"? I thought I saw people talking about 1/8" thick gussets.
Well, that's different, then.
> the Piet was designed in 1929,and they hadn't even invented millimeters
> yet.
Hey, now, the metric system was first used in 1791. Even you
Cannuckastanis use the "little ones" on the ruler and the "big ones" on
the speedometer.
Considering that I can think in metric (it makes sense!) I wish us Yanks
did, too.
But, I digress...
;-)
Dan
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
Yes, they both DO say 1200 pounds per anchor, for a total holding power
of 3600 lb.
They don't even say "up to" 1200 pounds, which would give them some
wiggle room.
Here's the website for the Claw (claim: Holds 1200 pounds per Claw) :
http://www.theclaw.com/C100.html
and here's the website for Flyties (claim: 1200 pounds in most
conditions):
http://www.flyties.com/faq.html
and here's the website for Deal Associates (they do not make any claims
about pullout strength):
http://www.dealassoc.com/tie-down_kit.htm
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: portable tie downs
And to boot Bill I thought they said that 1200 lbs was PER
STAKE.....that's a bunch of BS.
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Subject: | Almost time to start covering this thing |
How many yards of fabric did it take to cover your Piet? I plan on using 1.7
weight uncertified fabric, use the Stuart Systems stuff to stick it on and
Latex paint. I talked to the guy that built one of the Corvair Piets at
Broadhead this year(he was there with his Son and I don't remember his
name), after looking at his Piet I assumed it had a really good doped paint
job. It is a Latex paint job and here's how he finished it:
- four cross-coats with latex primer (one coat painted vertically and
allowed to dry, then one painted horizontally, dry and repeat)
- four cross-coats with Satin Exterior Latex
I created a test panel that I painted with Gloss Latex 5 years ago and
screwed to a post outside and it still looks like new but it does have brush
marks that can still be seen. I think one way to avoid brush marks is to use
Satin rather than Gloss or High Gloss Latex (and it will look like an old
fashion doped job but with better durability and lower cost).
Anyhow if anyone has recently purchased fabic and found a place with a good
price please let me know.
Rick
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
As someone else mentioned, the test in the video probably was not
done correctly. As per the FAA's recommendations, and just common
sense, tie-downs should be placed outward from the center of the
plane, away from the attach points on the airplane. The ropes should
be nowhere near vertical. Yet, a vertical pull is how the test was
done in the video. I have always assumed that all of the multi-point
solutions rely on the tie-down rope _not_ pulling straight up, but
rather at a pretty severe angle.
Obviously we must fix the world. In this case, I think that we should
perform a proper test at Brodhead 2010! :)
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Almost time to start covering this thing |
Rick I am glad to hear your intent of using Latex-I am not at all satisfied with
the coverage I got from the Poly products I have had including the red I did
the fuselage in with Polytone. i no doubt tried to get by using too little but
I am seriously considering going over at least the rear portion of the fuselage
with some Red latex if I can get them to mix a good match of color.( I have
never checked to see if it's available in deep red) I managed to drip a drop
of white latex in the side as I was using it to seal some wood and I thought
if I wiped it within 5 minutes with a wet rag it would be gone. no such luck.
I still have a small white smudge.and if it stays that good by accident I don't
know why it wouldn't do just fine if I'd wash the dust off and let it dry and
roll a coat or two on -on purpose.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260280#260280
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
Last time I went to OSH, in the space of an hour we completely snapped in
half something like 8 out of 12 doggie augers (or as some would call them, a
"screw the pooch") in the rock-hard, packed, drought-ridden, cement-like
Oshkosh soil trying to get some tent anchors to secure our display tent for
the week. We got desperate and tried The Claw... it worked absolutely
beautifully. Fortunately we sold them, so had a couple extra sets at our
disposal (and even better, the yellow color matched our airplane perfectly).
Not saying that other ideas won't work, and I've seen a couple of good (and
much less expensive) homebuilt versions of the Claw's basic concept, but
it's really hard to beat a design that uses what is essentially a large,
straight nail for getting it installed on very hard soil, just as AvWeb
said. Here in Florida, there's not much problem with that, here the issue is
holding well enough to stay in at all. Maybe if you mounted a strengthened
doggie auger through the middle of a bigger Claw?
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:00 AM
Subject: [piet] Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: portable tie downs
BYD,
Not to throw stones or anything, but one part of that setup would concern
me; the concern comes to mind especially because of a video I watched the
other day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE
Avweb compares The Claw (it's gonna getcha!), Flyties, a setup from Deal
Associates, and a commonly available 'doggie auger'. I wish they would have
done their test in something besides Florida soil, but I digress. In the
video the head of the 'doggie auger' deformed significantly. Even if the
brass that the hook you have is made out of could somehow equal the strength
of the cheap ferrous metal that the 'doggie auger' was made out of, it is
still significantly smaller. If the 'doggie auger' deforms that much,
imagine what the brass hook would do. If your setup works for you then pay
no mind to me; just wanted to share that observation and thought on the
matter.
As an aside, a comment that they made towards the end of the video regarding
the Flyties caught my attention. They mentioned that when they pulled the
Flyties out at an angle that they performed 'better'. Of course, they don't
quantify that remark, but I thought it was worth making note. How do you
install your Flyties when you use them, Mike?
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM, BYD <byd@att.net> wrote:
>
> This may not be the best, but Ill include my favorite. Its simply
three,
> one foot pieces of chain each cut into three, four inch pieces. These are
> joined by a hefty brass hook with a ring to tie to. While youre in the
> hardware store buying the chain (theyll cut it for you) purchase nine of
> the largest nails they have (check to assure theyll pass through the
> links). To get fancy, pick up a fence hammer which also works like
pliers
> to extract the nails. Add three pieces of good rope (also from the
hardware
> store) and place it all in a bag. See enclosed. Obviously, I spend too
> much time in the hardware store!
>
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I too, have a Lowrance Airmap 2000 and cannot figure how to download the Je
ppesen maps. Forget trying to phone them, as I have waited 2 hours to get s
omeone to amswer. I have sent an Email about it, and am still waiting to he
ar back. They are so busy trying to protect their software, no one can buy
them. Pretty stupid, if you ask me. Yet they claim their sales have increas
ed by 56%. You would think they could afford to pay someone to answer their
phones! Ross Alexander=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics
.com=0ASent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:50:55 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-L
ist: Re: ASSCO,inc=0A=0ASteve, and a bit applicable to John,=0A=0AIt seems
John, unfortunately, is SOL because neither Lowrance or the LEI people supp
ort the Airmap 300 (I'm not telling him anything he doesn't already know).
Since the aviation GPS world is generally not populated by young teenagers
interested in older hardware, no one has hacked the 300 to accept 500 updat
es.=0A=0ASteve, do you have the 300 or a different model?=0A=0AJohn....I wo
uld send you a batch of homemade cream puffs(!) to help alleviate your frus
trations about the Lowrance, but I don't know how to make those. You may ho
wever get yourself on the list for the best chocolate chip cookies ever....
independently confirmed by the Medical Imaging department at Children's Mem
orial Hospital.=0A=0AHave a good night all,=0A=0ARyan=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Aug 2
7, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> wrote:=0A=0AI'd
guess he is having the same problem I am. =0A>I am able to download and pa
y for the $35 update from the page you linked to =0A>just fine. Doing that
every couple of years would be fine with me. =0A>But, the card reader tha
t came with the lowrance unit is proprietary and it no =0A>longer works, so
I have no way to load the file to my flash card. =0A>Complicating things
further, the flash readers have multiple drivers for =0A>different readers,
and I don't know which one to use because the sticker =0A>fell off my read
er long ago. Of course, the web site still takes my =0A>money. It just se
ems that Lowrance could've come up with a better way to =0A>update the file
s and they would've had a few more happy customers.=0A> =0A>Are we allowed
to talk about GPS and flash =0A>memory on the Pietenpol forum? Seems almos
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Subject: | Re: nicopress sleeve sizes |
Thanks Mike,
Joe Motis
Do not archive
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> What is the difference in the crimpers(Nicopress) I thought an oval m is
> the same either way, telephone or aircraft.
> Do you know or does any one else? I have access to telephone one with 4
> bays on it labeled G,C,M,P
> Thanks
>
> Joe Motis
>
>
> Joe--you're' EXACTLY right about the telephone nico tools vs. a/c ones--
> they are THE SAME ! In fact mine was made
> right here in Cleveland (tho I ordered it thru Wicks) and has cast in it
> "Cleveland Telegraph Company" or similar. I guess
> what I meant is that some of the ones you see on ebay and the like only
> have one 'bay' or spot or maybe two bays for
> two different size nicopress sleeves but the good ones have FOUR slots/bays
> for the various sizes of nicopress ovals out there
> and that's probably the best bet for an aircraft builder since it covers
> the gamut of various cable sizes you might need to work on.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine question |
I will be flying out of a 6900 ft. airport in Colorado so I knew I needed
more than a 65 in my Piet. I agonized for a year whether to buy a used O-200
or build a Corvair for about $6000. I when the Corvair route and since I
haven't flow yet I can't really say if I made a good decision. If you think
that you will want to sell your Piet sometime after completing it you are
probably better off with an aircraft engine.
Talked to the people at Wentworth at Oshkosh who are a big used aircraft
parts supplier about the current costs of used O-200s. They said that the
bad economy has driven the prices up a bunch due to increased demand.
Rick
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:38 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
> Group,
>
> I have been debating on the type of engine for my Piet. I need something
> with horses since my field elevation here in UT is 4700ft. My neighborhas been
over to visit and see my project as well as my T-craft project.
> He told me he has an old 0-235 on an airboat that he would sell me for
> $1200. It runs but leaks oil like crazy and needs new mags and who knows
> what else. It has a carb, not sure which type and the junker boat. I
> could turn and sell the boat for $600 and have a certified engine for $600.
> My fear is buying an old engine with no logs and an unknown history and
> having to pay big money to have it gone through to be able to put it on
> my Piet. Any suggestions from experienced flers would be appreciated.
>
> Brian
>
> SLC, UT
>
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> 640 North 2200 West
> P.O.Box 16850
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Subject: | Re: portable tie downs |
Just krazy-glue the rope to the rock.
Clif
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> You guys are lucky! You have all those cool, grassy strips, surrounded
> by farm land.
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> Out West, we need a 5lb sledge hammer and steel concrete form stakes to
> get thru the rocks!
>
> Gary
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