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1. 06:24 AM - Re: Almost time to start covering this thing (Michael Perez)
2. 06:27 AM - Re: Almost time to start covering this thing (Michael Perez)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Almost time to start covering this thing (Michael Perez)
4. 08:41 AM - A special Pietenpol (Jim Markle)
5. 08:56 AM - Re: A special Pietenpol (Gary Boothe)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Billy McCaskill)
7. 12:06 PM - Brodhead Photos (Bill Church)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: Brodhead Photos (Jack)
9. 01:38 PM - Re: Brodhead Photos (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
10. 02:04 PM - Re: Brodhead Photos (Ross Alexander)
11. 02:20 PM - Re: Brodhead Photos (Jim)
12. 06:33 PM - wood struts-test sample (Lawrence Williams)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: Nicopress tools (shad bell)
14. 08:20 PM - go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 08:57 PM - Re: Brodhead Photos (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
16. 09:09 PM - Re: A special Pietenpol (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
17. 09:52 PM - Re: wood struts-test sample (Bill Church)
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| Subject: | Re: Almost time to start covering this thing |
I can't help you Dan with your fabric question, but what you described is exactly
how I plan on doing my covering...same fabric, same brand adhesives, same type
paint. I will be very curious to hear how it works out for you. PLEASE keep
either the list or me directly posted regularly. Thank you.
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| Subject: | Re: Almost time to start covering this thing |
My apologies, I got my emails all in a bunch it was Rick's email I was referring
to about the fabric, paint, etc. (not Dan.)
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| Subject: | Re: Almost time to start covering this thing |
If we are talking off the shelf home type latex, doesn't most places color match?
I wonder if you could take a color sample to the store and they run it through
the machine...presto! (?)
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| Subject: | A special Pietenpol |
Occasionally a really special Pietenpol shows up at Brodhead. Actually, I think
this year there were several.
Well, next year when Dan Helsper shows up with his...take close look. WOW. That
will be one of the special ones!
Anyway, I got to check it out on my recent visit to his hangar. It was a humbling
experience.
Dan is what we in the South call "just good people".
Thanks for the visit Dan.
JM
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| Subject: | A special Pietenpol |
Better check your tool chest, Dan! But that's one beautiful engine...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(13 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A special Pietenpol
Occasionally a really special Pietenpol shows up at Brodhead. Actually, I
think this year there were several.
Well, next year when Dan Helsper shows up with his...take close look. WOW.
That will be one of the special ones!
Anyway, I got to check it out on my recent visit to his hangar. It was a
humbling experience.
Dan is what we in the South call "just good people".
Thanks for the visit Dan.
JM
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| Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
The thickness of the gussets in the Flitzer's wings are not what makes it more
capable of handling aerobatic stresses, nor is it a comparison of gross weight
to wing area. If we were to double the thickness of the gussets in the Piet's
wing to 1/8", I still wouldn't be inclined to do any snap maneuvers in a Piet.
The shorter wingspan, stiffer spars, and extra bracing in the Flitzer's airframe
is what gives it the strength to survive aerobatics. The Flitzer was engineered
for a bit more aggressive type of flying. Bernard Pietenpol didn't design
his airplane for aerobatics, but for simple flying pleasure out of his small
pasture airport. This isn't really a comparison of apples to oranges but more
like a comparison of apples to eggs...
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
Baker, LA
tail feathers nearly done
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Well, I finally got around to downloading some of the pictures I took at Brodhead
this year!
They can be found here:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=344
Bill C.
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Great pics, thanks Bill!
Jack
www.textors.com
do not archive
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EXCELLENT photos Bill ! Thank you for sharing them.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Photos |
Hey Bill! Those were great pic's of the Piet gathering in Brodhead. What a
variety! I am getting time on mine everyday the sun shines! How sweet it
is! Ross Alexander=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom
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lspiet@sympatico.ca>=0A=0AWell, I finally got around to downloading some of
the pictures I took at Brodhead this year!=0AThey can be found here:=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Photos |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
Bill,
Very good pictures of the Brodhead flyin. Thanks for posting them, I looked forward
to your pictures after seeing how good they were last year.
Jim
On Aug 29, 2009, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Well, I finally got around to downloading some of the pictures I took at Brodhead
this year!
They can be found here:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=344
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260384#260384
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| Subject: | wood struts-test sample |
Remember that the struts take the compression loads when landing or at rest
and the cables take the lifting loads while flying. Big Jim Vandervoort il
lustrated it by saying that you could saw the struts off in flight and noth
ing would change. So, instead of a "pull" test for your laminated struts, y
ou should probably be more concerned with the compression loading.
-
Larry=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Nicopress tools |
I believe the nicopress tool dad bought is from cleveland telephone Co.-
As long as the tool has a go/no go gauge use it.- The nicco press was des
igned 1st for the pole line industry.- If you have any questions about th
e integrity I will happily do some destructive testing, tractor pull style.
- I think I have some shrubs to pull out any how, and the old Allis Chalm
ers needs a work out.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools |
Shad is right-- there is a slotted flat plate of steel with 'stepped' U chaped
spaces machined into it where you slip the appropriate
U slot over your completed nicopress sleeve to see if it slips in with no problems--if
it doesn't slip in you have not gotten a good tight nicopress
and the assembly should be trashed and made over.
There are adjustments on the nicopress pliers so you can tighten the jaws a bit
to make good, sound, nicopress presses if you're not getting
'passing' nico squeezes.
Mike C.
PS-- my tool from whomever I bought it from came with the go/ no go gauge and I
use it on every single nicopress junction I make--take all of 2 seconds
to see if you've got a good press or not.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Photos |
Nice job Bill thanks for the pics
John
In a message dated 8/29/2009 3:06:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
billspiet@sympatico.ca writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church"
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Well, I finally got around to downloading some of the pictures I took at
Brodhead this year!
They can be found here:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=344
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260384#260384
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| Subject: | Re: A special Pietenpol |
Did I notice some parts missing for that beautiful Model A engine? Markle
strikes again
Jim nice pic. Dan great looking work
John
In a message dated 8/29/2009 11:42:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
Occasionally a really special Pietenpol shows up at Brodhead. Actually, I
think this year there were several.
Well, next year when Dan Helsper shows up with his...take close look.
WOW. That will be one of the special ones!
Anyway, I got to check it out on my recent visit to his hangar. It was a
humbling experience.
Dan is what we in the South call "just good people".
Thanks for the visit Dan.
JM
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| Subject: | wood struts-test sample |
Well, that's not completely true Larry.
The first part is correct. When the Piet is at rest (on it's wheels) the
weight of the wings is supported entirely by the lift struts - in
compression. Same goes for when touching down on landing. Cables are
useless in compression - you can't push a rope.
Now, when flying, all (at least 90%, anyway) of the lifting load is
being borne by the lift strut attachment fittings on the bottom of the
wings. Attached to those fittings are the lift struts. And attached to
the lift struts are the flying wires. The primary purpose of the flying
wires is to brace the lift struts - to prevent them from swaying fore or
aft. If they were intended to carry the lifting load, they would be
in-line with the lift struts, not arranged diagonally as they are. The
lift struts are designed to carry the lifting loads.
Having said that ... doubtlessly, some of the lifting load does get
transferred to these cables when in flight. And if, for some odd reason,
one ended up having one's lift struts sawed off in flight, the plane
could probably manage to keep flying (as long as no sudden movements
were made, or turbulence was encountered. Upon landing, the wings would
of course, collapse, since someone sawed off the struts.
So, I think the most important function that the lift struts serve is
carrying the lifting load - in tension. And the second-most important
function they serve is holding the wings up on the ground (in
compression). The tension loads are considerably higher than the
compression loads. In the archives, maybe a year or so ago, Jack
Phillips did a quick calculation of the design loads for the lift struts
(which if I remember correctly was about 4000 pounds for the front
struts). 1/8" Aircraft cable is rated for around 2000 pounds.
So, if a fabricated strut assembly can withstand a 4000 pound tension
test, it's probably up for the task.
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Sat 29/08/2009 9:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood struts-test sample
Remember that the struts take the compression loads when landing or at
rest and the cables take the lifting loads while flying. Big Jim
Vandervoort illustrated it by saying that you could saw the struts off
in flight and nothing would change. So, instead of a "pull" test for
your laminated struts, you should probably be more concerned with the
compression loading.
-
Larry
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