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1. 04:25 AM - Southern Indiana-- Hanover, IN Lee Bottom Flying Field Fly In (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
2. 06:21 AM - Re: Pietenpol friend Jim Markle -just for a minute, a serios post (TOM STINEMETZE)
3. 11:09 AM - Southern Indiana-- Hanover, IN Lee Bottom Flying Field (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 02:19 PM - Scratch one GN-1 (Lawrence Williams)
5. 02:19 PM - Re: Almost time to start covering this thing (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 02:21 PM - empennage plans using tubing (stephen labash)
7. 02:23 PM - Virus (amsafetyc@aol.com)
8. 02:24 PM - more on the engine the saga continues (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 02:56 PM - Re: Scratch one GN-1 (Ryan Mueller)
10. 03:08 PM - Re: Southern Indiana-- Hanover, IN Lee Bottom Flying Field (Bill Church)
11. 03:09 PM - Re: Scratch one GN-1 (John Hofmann)
12. 03:12 PM - Re: Scratch one GN-1 (Bill Church)
13. 04:09 PM - Re: Lee Bottom (Lagowski Morrow)
14. 04:13 PM - Re: Nicopress tools (airlion)
15. 04:13 PM - Re: Scratch one GN-1 (Wayne Bressler)
16. 04:47 PM - Bell's carb heat muff, was Re: Nicopress tools (Ryan Mueller)
17. 04:52 PM - Re: Scratch one GN-1 (Wayne Bressler)
18. 05:18 PM - RT Searfoss Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
19. 05:31 PM - Re: Virus (Gary Boothe)
20. 06:18 PM - Re: Virus (amsafetyc@aol.com)
21. 06:18 PM - Re: Bell's carb heat muff, was Re: Nicopress tools (Jack Phillips)
22. 06:57 PM - Re: empennage plans using tubing (Bill Church)
23. 07:10 PM - Re: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools (Robert Ray)
24. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: empennage plans using tubing (Dave Abramson)
25. 07:18 PM - Re: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools ()
26. 07:18 PM - saying goodbye to my uncle - off topic (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
27. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Robert Ray)
28. 07:30 PM - Re: GL 1, GL2 plywood (Robert Ray)
29. 08:00 PM - Re: saying goodbye to my uncle - off topic (amsafetyc@aol.com)
30. 08:03 PM - Blakesburg Flyin this weekend (Davis Roger)
31. 08:03 PM - Re: saying goodbye to my uncle - off topic (amsafetyc@aol.com)
32. 08:39 PM - Re: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools (Ryan Mueller)
33. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Ryan Mueller)
34. 09:16 PM - Re: Turnbuckles (gcardinal)
35. 09:29 PM - Re: Turnbuckles (Gary Boothe)
36. 10:05 PM - Re: Turnbuckles (Davis Roger)
37. 10:05 PM - Re: Virus (Gary Boothe)
38. 10:22 PM - Re: Turnbuckles (Ryan Mueller)
39. 10:22 PM - Re: Turnbuckles dilema (jorge lizarraga)
40. 10:50 PM - Re: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Robert Ray)
41. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
42. 11:15 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
43. 11:26 PM - Re: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Ryan Mueller)
44. 11:51 PM - Re: Lee Bottom Flyin (Robert Ray)
45. 11:54 PM - Re: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets (Robert Ray)
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| Subject: | Southern Indiana-- Hanover, IN Lee Bottom Flying Field |
Fly In
Also pictured in the video post that Richard mentioned was another Pietenpo
l from northern IN built by
a very nice gent by the name of R.T. Searfoss and his wife. I believe th
ey live near Goshen, IN.
RT and his wife built a Cont. powered Piet and flew down last fall and I go
t to visit with them a bit. Most camp on
the airport but some bus-it into nearby towns and motels or stay at a beaut
iful state park lodge in nearby Madison, IN.
Photo of RT's airplane attached.
Mike C.
http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=59bb607d-d455-4a0a-9b15-f817986
03473
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| Subject: | Pietenpol friend Jim Markle -just for a minute, a |
serios post
Perhaps some of us are "yelllow" snowflakes.
Do not archive.
>>>IM GONNA PUKE! Cant we go back to the way it was..?
>>>Were all snowflakesHow about a group hug?
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| Subject: | Southern Indiana-- Hanover, IN Lee Bottom Flying Field |
Wow... those are some kinda boarding steps R.T.'s got on his Piet!
While building the mechanical brakes for my Flying Squirrel, I
worried a great deal about having the brake cables out where the
grass or brush could snag them, but R.T. seems not to be worried
about that at all. His brake cables have large loops in them,
hanging out in the breeze.
I ended up welding short sections of steel tube to the trailing
edge of my landing gear legs to thread the brake cables down
through, keeping them secure and out of harm's way. I anticipate
flying where the grass can grow up a little ways.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Scratch one GN-1 |
Listers-
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A newly wrecked GN-1 showed up at our ariport on a trailer and I was wonder
ing if anyone knew anything about it. The data plate shows that it was buil
t by Robert Squires from Ovilia, TX.
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The interesting thing about it is that everything on the airplane was certi
fied! Engine, instruments, prop etc. The BAD thing is that the hobbs showed
8 hrs. One wing is broken in half about 6' from the c.s.and the engine mou
nt is bent. One of the mounting lugs on the engine case is sheared and-th
e left-LG leg is bent up pretty badly. The prop has BOTH blades broken of
f about 10" from the hub which would indicate to me that it was turning up
when things went awry.
-
Anyway, if anyone knows Mr. Squires or what happened, my idle curiousity wo
uld like to know the details. It looks like there was a bucket-load of gree
nbacks and a whole lot of TLC dumped into the project for only getting 8 hr
s in return!
-
Larry=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Almost time to start covering this thing |
Jim, do you have a schedule or start date in mind? I have not been to any
of the covering seminars yet but would like to see yours mid way or in
progress of covering to get an idea of how its posta be did. So I can did mines
the right way to.
John
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| Subject: | empennage plans using tubing |
Any one have any thoughts on where to "beg borrow or steal" empennage plans
using tubing for Pietenpol. I have Nieupirt 17 plans but the empennage lo
oks quite different. Thanks Big Steve
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Heads up. I been getting e mails all day through my facebook. It appears the virus
rades send you to a bogus youtube site for a video. when you go to the link,
it raids your friend list and generates an e mail from you to your friends
sending the to the youtube site. Continuing the cycle. So don't go! Its taken
all day to get clear.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | more on the engine the saga continues |
Welp
Found me a yellow tagged cam shaft in Texas and tappet cores. Now waiting
for the cost part of the news. it all seems to be progressing. now its a
matter of finding out how many tappet cores I need to buy have surfaced and
made ready for use. I suppose it all about the bucks and the lucks.
The more lucks you got the less bucks you need, the less lucks the more
bucks. Since I got neither its all up in the air. Unless the bucks and the
lucks run out at the same time then the fan stops and its all down from there!
Stay tuned to the next thrill packed episode of lucks bucks and things that
bump in the front!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch one GN-1 |
Larry,
'Jeremy in dallas' posted the link to the news article of the event a little
while back:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa090624_wz_elliscocrash.f89d3b.html
Not that it gives much info, but there is a pic of the GN and how she came
to rest. That prop will be one heck of a wall hanging.....
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Listers-
>
> A newly wrecked GN-1 showed up at our ariport on a trailer and I was
> wondering if anyone knew anything about it. The data plate shows that it was
> built by Robert Squires from Ovilia, TX.
>
> The interesting thing about it is that everything on the airplane was
> certified! Engine, instruments, prop etc. The BAD thing is that the hobbs
> showed 8 hrs. One wing is broken in half about 6' from the c.s.and the
> engine mount is bent. One of the mounting lugs on the engine case is sheared
> and the left LG leg is bent up pretty badly. The prop has BOTH blades broken
> off about 10" from the hub which would indicate to me that it was turning up
> when things went awry.
>
> Anyway, if anyone knows Mr. Squires or what happened, my idle curiousity
> would like to know the details. It looks like there was a bucket-load of
> greenbacks and a whole lot of TLC dumped into the project for only getting 8
> hrs in return!
>
> Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Southern Indiana-- Hanover, IN Lee Bottom Flying Field |
Oscar,
Funny, but I didn't even notice those boarding steps until you pointed
them out.
Now they really stand out. The rear one especially doesn't look like it
gives much advantage over standing on the ground.
And the brake cables really do stick out. I would imagine that when
faced with a 60 - 70 mph wind (when in flight), they must fold right
back, and might even whip around in the wind.
Strange that I didn't notice either of those things when I looked at the
photo the first time. Actually, I've seen other photos of this plane
before, and never noticed those things before.
Just goes to show that if you make everything else look really nice, you
can make some things "invisible".
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch one GN-1 |
Ask and ye shall receive.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote:
> Listers-
>
> A newly wrecked GN-1 showed up at our ariport on a trailer and I was
> wondering if anyone knew anything about it. The data plate shows
> that it was built by Robert Squires from Ovilia, TX.
>
> The interesting thing about it is that everything on the airplane
> was certified! Engine, instruments, prop etc. The BAD thing is that
> the hobbs showed 8 hrs. One wing is broken in half about 6' from the
> c.s.and the engine mount is bent. One of the mounting lugs on the
> engine case is sheared and the left LG leg is bent up pretty badly.
> The prop has BOTH blades broken off about 10" from the hub which
> would indicate to me that it was turning up when things went awry.
>
> Anyway, if anyone knows Mr. Squires or what happened, my idle
> curiousity would like to know the details. It looks like there was a
> bucket-load of greenbacks and a whole lot of TLC dumped into the
> project for only getting 8 hrs in return!
>
> Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Scratch one GN-1 |
Just did a quick web search and came up with the following:
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/CEN09CA383/423099.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/CEN09CA383/423100.pdf
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=65963
http://www.aigaviation.com/aviationsalvage/salvagedetail.aspx?faano=N17
3
6
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 090624X51919&key=1
Bill C.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scratch one GN-1
Listers-
A newly wrecked GN-1 showed up at our ariport on a trailer and I was
wondering if anyone knew anything about it. The data plate shows that it
was built by Robert Squires from Ovilia, TX.
The interesting thing about it is that everything on the airplane was
certified! Engine, instruments, prop etc. The BAD thing is that the
hobbs showed 8 hrs. One wing is broken in half about 6' from the c.s.and
the engine mount is bent. One of the mounting lugs on the engine case is
sheared and the left LG leg is bent up pretty badly. The prop has BOTH
blades broken off about 10" from the hub which would indicate to me that
it was turning up when things went awry.
Anyway, if anyone knows Mr. Squires or what happened, my idle curiousity
would like to know the details. It looks like there was a bucket-load of
greenbacks and a whole lot of TLC dumped into the project for only
getting 8 hrs in return!
Larry
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Rick, Thanks for the video!--Jim Lagowski
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom
For those who maybe interested, here is a link to the Lee Bottom flyin
the end of next month. The link has some videos of Mike Cuys piet as
well as some of my Short Wing Piper friends who attend... enjoy
http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=59bb607d-d455-4a0a-9b15-f81798
603473
Rick Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
08/31/09 05:50:00
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| Subject: | Re: Nicopress tools |
Shad, I seem to remember that you had carb heat muffs that extended out the side
of the cowling. Is that correct and if so , how do they work? FAA recomends
that you should get a 95degree temp drop. Could you please send me a picture.
I am thinking of just using plenum air for the intake.--Corvair powered., and
marvel carb. and last step before paperwork and inspection. cheers, Gardiner
Mason
co
________________________________
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:20:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress tools
I believe the nicopress tool dad bought is from cleveland telephone Co. As long
as the tool has a go/no go gauge use it. The nicco press was designed 1st for
the pole line industry. If you have any questions about the integrity I will
happily do some destructive testing, tractor pull style. I think I have some
shrubs to pull out any how, and the old Allis Chalmers needs a work out.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch one GN-1 |
It looks like it's for sale, too.. (if this is the same plane)
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=A2 Destroyed
left wing, good fuselage, tail, with logs, no engine or instruments.
=A2 Contact Don Adamson- 92ND WEST AVIATION, INClocated Lonoke, AR
USA
=A2 Telephone: 501-676-7529 =A2 Posted September 1, 2009
=A2 Show all
Ads posted by this Advertiser =A2 Recommend This Ad to a Friend
=A2Email Advertiser =A2 Save to Watchlist =A2 Report
This Ad
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:35 PM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
wrote:
> Ask and ye shall receive.
>
> <squires.pdf>
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote:
>
>> Listers-
>>
>> A newly wrecked GN-1 showed up at our ariport on a trailer and I
>> was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. The data plate
>> shows that it was built by Robert Squires from Ovilia, TX.
>>
>> The interesting thing about it is that everything on the airplane
>> was certified! Engine, instruments, prop etc. The BAD thing is that
>> the hobbs showed 8 hrs. One wing is broken in half about 6' from
>> the c.s.and the engine mount is bent. One of the mounting lugs on
>> the engine case is sheared and the left LG leg is bent up pretty
>> badly. The prop has BOTH blades broken off about 10" from the hub
>> which would indicate to me that it was turning up when things went
>> awry.
>>
>> Anyway, if anyone knows Mr. Squires or what happened, my idle
>> curiousity would like to know the details. It looks like there was
>> a bucket-load of greenbacks and a whole lot of TLC dumped into the
>> project for only getting 8 hrs in return!
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nicopress tools |
Gardiner,
Until Shad can supply better shots, here are a couple pics to tide you over:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Bell/Brodhead2008_043.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Bell/Brodhead2008_045.JPG
As I recall, the 'muff' is a curved piece of metal welded on to the exhaust
pipe, with the end welded closed. The air comes in the front, which is left
open, picks up heat off of the exhaust pipe, and the conveys the heated air
through the SCAT tubing to the carb heat box. Obviously Shad can fill you in
on the effectiveness and all...that's just what I recall about the basic
setup.
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:48 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Shad, I seem to remember that you had carb heat muffs that extended out the
> side of the cowling. Is that correct and if so , how do they work? FAA
> recomends that you should get a 95degree temp drop. Could you please send me
> a picture. I am thinking of just using plenum air for the intake.--Corvair
> powered., and marvel carb. and last step before paperwork and inspection.
> cheers, Gardiner Mason
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch one GN-1 |
Sorry about the huge text. My apologies.
Do not archive
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
wrote:
> It looks like it's for sale, too.. (if this is the same plane)
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| Subject: | RT Searfoss Pietenpol |
RT brought his Pietenpol to Brodhead in 2007. It was there for all to inspect
and enjoy. He has some innovative ideas on his
plane and like Jack Phillips-- his wife actually flies with him to some fly-in's
and events. Imagine that ?
Mike C.
________________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Church [eng@canadianrogers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Southern Indiana-- Hanover, IN Lee Bottom Flying Field
Oscar,
Funny, but I didn't even notice those boarding steps until you pointed them out.
Now they really stand out. The rear one especially doesn't look like it gives much
advantage over standing on the ground.
And the brake cables really do stick out. I would imagine that when faced with
a 60 - 70 mph wind (when in flight), they must fold right back, and might even
whip around in the wind.
Strange that I didn't notice either of those things when I looked at the photo
the first time. Actually, I've seen other photos of this plane before, and never
noticed those things before.
Just goes to show that if you make everything else look really nice, you can make
some things "invisible".
Bill C.
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A'hem....and, John, just what was the lead to that YouTube site that
interested you so much...nevermind...I don't think I want to know. I prefer
to think of you as pure in mind, body and soul!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(14 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Virus
Heads up. I been getting e mails all day through my facebook. It appears the
virus rades send you to a bogus youtube site for a video. when you go to
the link, it raids your friend list and generates an e mail from you to your
friends sending the to the youtube site. Continuing the cycle. So don't go!
Its taken all day to get clear.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Ya had to ask didn't ya. Well ill tell ya. I got an email from a friend on face
book that advertised a video of his. My being the curious type and a video by
a trusted and long time friend I accepted his invitation and went to the site
for download. EHhhhh wrong choice. virus time ding ding ding ding I won.
Being the benevolent and inquisitive soul that I am conducted an exhaustive in
depth search on behalf of my friends found the problem,solved and solved. Then
posted the warning to protect the systems of my good,highly respected friends
which you and others are the benefactors of my lone peril.
You're welcome!
John
------Original Message------
From: Gary Boothe
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Sep 1, 2009 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Virus
A'hem....and, John, just what was the lead to that YouTube site that
interested you so much...nevermind...I don't think I want to know. I prefer
to think of you as pure in mind, body and soul!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(14 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Virus
Heads up. I been getting e mails all day through my facebook. It appears the
virus rades send you to a bogus youtube site for a video. when you go to
the link, it raids your friend list and generates an e mail from you to your
friends sending the to the youtube site. Continuing the cycle. So don't go!
Its taken all day to get clear.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Nicopress tools |
That's pretty similar to the setup I have. I would say performance is
marginal, at best. I have a number of steel vanes welded in place within
the muff to increase the heat transfer area. If you were on the list back
in 2004 when I first flew my Piet you may recall that I had a forced landing
due to the carb heat system. I had added some stainless steel wool in the
heat muff to increase heat transfer and thought it was secured. It wasn't,
and got sucked into the carburetor in flight, choking the engine and
reducing power below the amount required to sustain level flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: Bell's carb heat muff, was Re: Pietenpol-List: Nicopress tools
Gardiner,
Until Shad can supply better shots, here are a couple pics to tide you over:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Bell/Brodhead2008_043.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Bell/Brodhead2008_045.JPG
As I recall, the 'muff' is a curved piece of metal welded on to the exhaust
pipe, with the end welded closed. The air comes in the front, which is left
open, picks up heat off of the exhaust pipe, and the conveys the heated air
through the SCAT tubing to the carb heat box. Obviously Shad can fill you in
on the effectiveness and all...that's just what I recall about the basic
setup.
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:48 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Shad, I seem to remember that you had carb heat muffs that extended out the
side of the cowling. Is that correct and if so , how do they work? FAA
recomends that you should get a 95degree temp drop. Could you please send me
a picture. I am thinking of just using plenum air for the intake.--Corvair
powered., and marvel carb. and last step before paperwork and inspection.
cheers, Gardiner Mason
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| Subject: | Re: empennage plans using tubing |
Big Steve,
Why are you looking at Nieuport plans to build a Pietenpol?
And, more importantly, why are you surprised that the empennage looks "quite different"?
To the best of my knowledge, there are no published plans for the Pietenpol empennage
built of steel tubing (or any other kind of tubing, for that matter). I'd
say you're on your own there. Which is not to say that people have not built
their empennage out of steel tube, because they have. I'm just saying that they
all did it without the use of published plans.
Good luck with your Nieuportenpol!
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260941#260941
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools |
Yes when I was a line man we had one that we had to peridocally check
the sleeves after compressing. As the tool wears it will not compress
correctly.
Russell
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Shad is right-- there is a slotted flat plate of steel with 'stepped' U
> chaped spaces machined into it where you slip the appropriate
> U slot over your completed nicopress sleeve to see if it slips in with no
> problems--if it doesn't slip in you have not gotten a good tight nicopress
> and the assembly should be trashed and made over.
>
> There are adjustments on the nicopress pliers so you can tighten the jaws a
> bit to make good, sound, nicopress presses if you're not getting
> 'passing' nico squeezes.
>
> Mike C.
>
> PS-- my tool from whomever I bought it from came with the go/ no go gauge
> and I use it on every single nicopress junction I make--take all of 2
> seconds
> to see if you've got a good press or not.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: empennage plans using tubing |
Hey Steve!
Just get ahold of some GN-1 plans! A steel tube Pietenpol of sorts!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: empennage plans using tubing
Big Steve,
Why are you looking at Nieuport plans to build a Pietenpol?
And, more importantly, why are you surprised that the empennage looks "quite
different"?
To the best of my knowledge, there are no published plans for the Pietenpol
empennage built of steel tubing (or any other kind of tubing, for that
matter). I'd say you're on your own there. Which is not to say that people
have not built their empennage out of steel tube, because they have. I'm
just saying that they all did it without the use of published plans.
Good luck with your Nieuportenpol!
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260941#260941
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/nieuport_17_143.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools |
I do not have the gauge does anyone have the dimensions to make a gauge or the
width of a compressed fitting for a 1/8 inch cable.
Rodney Hall
---- Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes when I was a line man we had one that we had to peridocally check
> the sleeves after compressing. As the tool wears it will not compress
> correctly.
>
> Russell
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
> Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> >
> >
> > Shad is right-- there is a slotted flat plate of steel with 'stepped' U
> > chaped spaces machined into it where you slip the appropriate
> > U slot over your completed nicopress sleeve to see if it slips in with no
> > problems--if it doesn't slip in you have not gotten a good tight nicopress
> > and the assembly should be trashed and made over.
> >
> > There are adjustments on the nicopress pliers so you can tighten the jaws a
> > bit to make good, sound, nicopress presses if you're not getting
> > 'passing' nico squeezes.
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> > PS-- my tool from whomever I bought it from came with the go/ no go gauge
> > and I use it on every single nicopress junction I make--take all of 2
> > seconds
> > to see if you've got a good press or not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | saying goodbye to my uncle - off topic |
Tomorrow I attend the funeral of the man who introduced me to aviation. Wh
en I was a kid I was at a family reunion in Osceola=2C WI and my uncle Ed o
ffered to take me for a ride in his airplane. I was about 13-14 years old
and had friend of mine with me. We both went in his rented Cherokee 140 al
ong with my other uncle Bob. I had never flown before and I remember seein
g a twin engine fly low over the field and how amazed I was. My uncle gave
me that first flight years ago and I never forgot. Just a few years ago
=2C I returned the favor. I flew out to Osceola and gave him probably his
last ride. At the time I was renting - what else - a Cherokee 140. He die
d this weekend and I can't stop thinking about how he gave me my first flig
ht. I hope we can all be so generous with family and friends. I enjoyed w
atching Greg Cardinal give children rides at Brodhead. This is where flyin
g needs to return to. Anyway=2C I'll miss uncle Ed. We didn't have much i
n common except for flying=2C but that's all we needed. I wish someday he
could have seen my Pietenpol flying=2C but it gives me motivation so that o
thers in the family can see it someday.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
Yes I would not try arobatics in a Pie, the Grega plan shows using
3/32 mahogany on the outside all the way down the sides,
then on the inside it specifics 1/8 inch birch, I tested the birch
I soaked the birch in the bath tub four days and night's(sounds biblical)
it is not sold as marine but it is all birch, no knots no pin knots,
no voids ot gaps, after soaking I destroyed a piece it failed in the wood
not in the glue line, this settles it I will use it, purchased this at 20
dollars
a sheet at north west woods in INDY if any one is interested
in this baltic birch. I bought several sheets of 1/8 and some 1/4.
I would suggest you conduct your own test to your satisfaction.
I will also soak the gussets completely submurged in epoxy while it
is warm and thin. Then I'll put a paste mixture of silica and epoxy
in the glue joint pre soaking both wood and gusset this should conclude any
doubts about the glue line ebing water proof in my mind. It it was
a sail boat I would use marine.
Russell
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net> wrote:
>
> The thickness of the gussets in the Flitzer's wings are not what makes it
> more capable of handling aerobatic stresses, nor is it a comparison of gross
> weight to wing area. If we were to double the thickness of the gussets in
> the Piet's wing to 1/8", I still wouldn't be inclined to do any snap
> maneuvers in a Piet.
>
> The shorter wingspan, stiffer spars, and extra bracing in the Flitzer's
> airframe is what gives it the strength to survive aerobatics. The Flitzer
> was engineered for a bit more aggressive type of flying. Bernard Pietenpol
> didn't design his airplane for aerobatics, but for simple flying pleasure
> out of his small pasture airport. This isn't really a comparison of
> apples to oranges but more like a comparison of apples to eggs...
>
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> Baker, LA
> tail feathers nearly done
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260374#260374
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GL 1, GL2 plywood |
I'm using some I got sold as baltic birch from north west lumber in INDY.
I just soaked it in water four days and then destroyed a piece of it
it did not fail in the glue line but in the wood, has no gaps or voids
and no visible imperfections.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Group, I have been using GL1, 2 grade European Finnish Birch ply on my
> Jungster. It seems to be a little cheaper than mil spec us ply. It is only
> available fromm a.s.s. in 4x4 sheets though. I would say it is at least as
> good as mil spec plywood, and some of the 2.5-3.0mm I have is 5 ply instead
> of 3, very strong stuff. It also looks a little nicer than some mil spec
> birch ply. Look it up online, G.L. stands for German Loyd, and is the
> standard for marine birch in europe. GL1 grade is the best, GL2 is still
> aircraft grade, and GL3 I believe is non structural /marine use only.
>
> Shad
>
> start: 0000-00-00 end: 0000-00-00
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Blakesburg Flyin this weekend |
If anybody makes it to Blakesburg this week. We will be frying catfish on
Friday night. No charge to any of you by the way!
Rumor has it Jack Textor will give a beer to anybody flying in in their
Piet. If he don't I guess I will. Seriously if anybody does make it
we will be camped along the west side of the runway. We will have a model a
parked next to the tent so we shouldn't be hard to find.
Hope to see a few of you.
Roger Davis
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| Subject: | Re: saying goodbye to my uncle - off topic |
Stinkin blackberry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: saying goodbye to my uncle - off topic
Tom
My condolences your Uncle Ed gave you the memory we all strive and hope to leave
with our successors. The gift of flight you two exchanged is and was a gift
to be cherished by both and for ever.
Thanks for sharing those special touching moments with us all. Its the simple things
that touch others that gives meaning to life.
Farewell to an aviator gone West
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: saying goodbye to my uncle - off topic
Tomorrow I attend the funeral of the man who introduced me to aviation. When I
was a kid I was at a family reunion in Osceola, WI and my uncle Ed offered to
take me for a ride in his airplane. I was about 13-14 years old and had friend
of mine with me. We both went in his rented Cherokee 140 along with my other
uncle Bob. I had never flown before and I remember seeing a twin engine fly
low over the field and how amazed I was. My uncle gave me that first flight
years ago and I never forgot. Just a few years ago, I returned the favor. I
flew out to Osceola and gave him probably his last ride. At the time I was renting
- what else - a Cherokee 140. He died this weekend and I can't stop thinking
about how he gave me my first flight. I hope we can all be so generous
with family and friends. I enjoyed watching Greg Cardinal give children rides
at Brodhead. This is where flying needs to return to. Anyway, I'll miss uncle
Ed. We didn't have much in common except for flying, but that's all we needed.
I wish someday he could have seen my Pietenpol flying, but it gives me
motivation so that others in the family can see it someday.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools |
Rodney,
Aircraft Tool Supply has a go-no-go for a few bucks:
http://www.aircraft-tool.com/shop/detail.aspx?PRODUCT_ID=54-11
Otherwise, here is a drawing that should provide the info you need. It's a
bit 'busy', but everything should be there:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/3880441792/sizes/l/
That is the largest resolution Flickr supports (at least the free level). If
you, or anyone else, has trouble seeing any of the drawing or dimensions at
that resolution just email me off list and I can send you a much higher
resolution scan that may work better.
HTH,
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:18 PM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I do not have the gauge does anyone have the dimensions to make a gauge or
> the width of a compressed fitting for a 1/8 inch cable.
>
> Rodney Hall
>
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| Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
If you were going to test that plywood to see if it could equal the
properties of either aircraft or marine grade plywood, wouldn't you want to
conduct the equivalent testing? You soaked it in your tub, so you did not
boil test. How did you test the ply to failure? The marine ply test that
Bill gave an example of called for testing the tensile strength after
boiling, aircraft grade is shear tested.....
Also, why go through the trouble of soaking every single gusset prior to
application and 'pre-soaking' all joints with silica and epoxy when you
could just spend a little more time and money buying the proper materials
with which to build your airplane, and then just glue your joints and
gussets normally? You are going to be spending thousands upon thousands of
dollars to build this aircraft; why skimp a few bucks on wood, which forms
the backbone of your Piet, when it is a relatively minor expenditure in the
grand scheme of things?
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes I would not try arobatics in a Pie, the Grega plan shows using
> 3/32 mahogany on the outside all the way down the sides,
> then on the inside it specifics 1/8 inch birch, I tested the birch
> I soaked the birch in the bath tub four days and night's(sounds biblical)
> it is not sold as marine but it is all birch, no knots no pin knots,
> no voids ot gaps, after soaking I destroyed a piece it failed in the wood
> not in the glue line, this settles it I will use it, purchased this at 20
> dollars
> a sheet at north west woods in INDY if any one is interested
> in this baltic birch. I bought several sheets of 1/8 and some 1/4.
> I would suggest you conduct your own test to your satisfaction.
> I will also soak the gussets completely submurged in epoxy while it
> is warm and thin. Then I'll put a paste mixture of silica and epoxy
> in the glue joint pre soaking both wood and gusset this should conclude any
> doubts about the glue line ebing water proof in my mind. It it was
> a sail boat I would use marine.
>
>
> Russell
>
>
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In the 1919 book "Aeronautical Engineering" by Alexander Klemin there is
reference to old turnbuckles. Three different styles are listed and they
are RAF, Binet, and Curtiss. The Curtiss style shows a #326 and a
#326-S. They are rated for 2183 lbs. and the "S" version is for short.
There is no #325 listed. There is no reference to "SF" turnbuckles.
The original poster of this thread, Roger Davis, was looking for
turnbuckle sizes. Check out this website:
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
It has good info on turnbuckle sizes and fittings.
All the available info on turnbuckle sizes and the multitude of fitting
options can be a bit confusing.
Start by selecting a cable size. Then figure out the appropriate
turnbuckle size and then select your fittings. It helps to draw pictures
on paper of each of your cables with fittings.
The cable sizes used on NX18235 are 3/32" for all control cables,
empennage and cabane cross-bracing.
Landing gear, drag and anti-drag, and lift strut cables are all 1/8"
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Regarding turnbuckles, the plans describe the turnbuckles using the
terminology of the day (1929 - 1934), and are called up as 325SF or
326SF. In all of my searches on the internet, I have not been able to
find any reference material that either describes what these turnbuckles
are (with dimensions), or cross-references the old names to the more
modern terminology.
Anybody out there know of any reference material that would help to
decipher what's on the plans?
Of course, common sense would dictate that larger turnbuckles should
be used with larger cables, and smaller with smaller - just wondered if
anyone had any info to share.
Bill C.
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Greg,
As I have said, "You are The Man!"
Gary
--------------------------
Gary A. Boothe
Sales Manager
CALPLY Architectural Products Division
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
Sent: Tue Sep 01 21:15:10 2009
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
In the 1919 book "Aeronautical Engineering" by Alexander Klemin there is
reference to old turnbuckles. Three different styles are listed and they
are RAF, Binet, and Curtiss. The Curtiss style shows a #326 and a
#326-S. They are rated for 2183 lbs. and the "S" version is for short.
There is no #325 listed. There is no reference to "SF" turnbuckles.
The original poster of this thread, Roger Davis, was looking for
turnbuckle sizes. Check out this website:
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
It has good info on turnbuckle sizes and fittings.
All the available info on turnbuckle sizes and the multitude of fitting
options can be a bit confusing.
Start by selecting a cable size. Then figure out the appropriate
turnbuckle size and then select your fittings. It helps to draw pictures
on paper of each of your cables with fittings.
The cable sizes used on NX18235 are 3/32" for all control cables,
empennage and cabane cross-bracing.
Landing gear, drag and anti-drag, and lift strut cables are all 1/8"
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Regarding turnbuckles, the plans describe the turnbuckles using the
terminology of the day (1929 - 1934), and are called up as 325SF or
326SF. In all of my searches on the internet, I have not been able to
find any reference material that either describes what these turnbuckles
are (with dimensions), or cross-references the old names to the more
modern terminology.
Anybody out there know of any reference material that would help to
decipher what's on the plans?
Of course, common sense would dictate that larger turnbuckles should
be used with larger cables, and smaller with smaller - just wondered if
anyone had any info to share.
Bill C.
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Thanks Greg, it seems like spends hours on the computer checking to make
sure I am doing things correctly. Then by the end of the week I look back
and not much progress to the Piet. I should have asked this and other
questions a long long time ago.
Thanks again
Roger
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com> wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> As I have said, "You are The Man!"
>
> Gary
> --------------------------
> Gary A. Boothe
> Sales Manager
> CALPLY Architectural Products Division
> Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> <owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue Sep 01 21:15:10 2009
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
>
> In the 1919 book "Aeronautical Engineering" by Alexander Klemin there is
> reference to old turnbuckles. Three different styles are listed and they
> are RAF, Binet, and Curtiss. The Curtiss style shows a #326 and a
> #326-S. They are rated for 2183 lbs. and the "S" version is for short.
> There is no #325 listed. There is no reference to "SF" turnbuckles.
>
> The original poster of this thread, Roger Davis, was looking for
> turnbuckle sizes. Check out this website:
>
> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf
>
> It has good info on turnbuckle sizes and fittings.
>
> All the available info on turnbuckle sizes and the multitude of fitting
> options can be a bit confusing.
> Start by selecting a cable size. Then figure out the appropriate
> turnbuckle size and then select your fittings. It helps to draw pictures
> on paper of each of your cables with fittings.
> The cable sizes used on NX18235 are 3/32" for all control cables,
> empennage and cabane cross-bracing.
> Landing gear, drag and anti-drag, and lift strut cables are all 1/8"
>
> Greg Cardinal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Church
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:51 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
>
>
> Regarding turnbuckles, the plans describe the turnbuckles using the
> terminology of the day (1929 - 1934), and are called up as 325SF or
> 326SF. In all of my searches on the internet, I have not been able to
> find any reference material that either describes what these turnbuckles
> are (with dimensions), or cross-references the old names to the more
> modern terminology.
> Anybody out there know of any reference material that would help to
> decipher what's on the plans?
> Of course, common sense would dictate that larger turnbuckles should
> be used with larger cables, and smaller with smaller - just wondered if
> anyone had any info to share.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
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Explanation accepted! Thanks for the warning....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(14 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Virus
Ya had to ask didn't ya. Well ill tell ya. I got an email from a friend on
face book that advertised a video of his. My being the curious type and a
video by a trusted and long time friend I accepted his invitation and went
to the site for download. EHhhhh wrong choice. virus time ding ding ding
ding I won.
Being the benevolent and inquisitive soul that I am conducted an exhaustive
in depth search on behalf of my friends found the problem,solved and solved.
Then posted the warning to protect the systems of my good,highly respected
friends which you and others are the benefactors of my lone peril.
You're welcome!
John
------Original Message------
From: Gary Boothe
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Sep 1, 2009 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Virus
A'hem....and, John, just what was the lead to that YouTube site that
interested you so much...nevermind...I don't think I want to know. I prefer
to think of you as pure in mind, body and soul!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(14 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Virus
Heads up. I been getting e mails all day through my facebook. It appears the
virus rades send you to a bogus youtube site for a video. when you go to
the link, it raids your friend list and generates an e mail from you to your
friends sending the to the youtube site. Continuing the cycle. So don't go!
Its taken all day to get clear.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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I believe this is the data Greg was referencing:
http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/Aero-abbreviated.pdf
If not, please let me know!
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:15 PM, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
> *In the 1919 book "Aeronautical Engineering" by Alexander Klemin there is
> reference to old turnbuckles. Three different styles are listed and they are
> RAF, Binet, and Curtiss. The Curtiss style shows a #326 and a #326-S. They
> are rated for 2183 lbs. and the "S" version is for short.*
> *There is no #325 listed. There is no reference to "SF" turnbuckles.*
> **
> *The original poster of this thread, Roger Davis, was looking for
> turnbuckle sizes. Check out this website:*
> **
> *http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/cable%20fittings.pdf*
> **
> *It has good info on turnbuckle sizes and fittings.*
> **
> *All the available info on turnbuckle sizes and the multitude of fitting
> options can be a bit confusing. *
> *Start by selecting a cable size. Then figure out the appropriate
> turnbuckle size and then select your fittings. It helps to draw pictures on
> paper of each of your cables with fittings.*
> *The cable sizes used on NX18235 are 3/32" for all control cables,
> empennage and cabane cross-bracing.*
> *Landing gear, drag and anti-drag, and lift strut cables are all 1/8"*
> **
> *Greg Cardinal*
>
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles dilema |
allright about you say Im stok in the same problem- but- i have a fried
,if these sale these gigant stok all talk whit you guys seyou jorge from h
anford
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
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Regarding turnbuckles, the plans describe the turnbuckles using the termino
logy of the day (1929 - 1934), and are called up as 325SF or 326SF. In all
of my searches on the internet, I have not been able to find any reference
material that either describes what these turnbuckles are (with dimensions)
, or cross-references the old names to the more modern terminology.
Anybody out there know of any reference material that would help to deciphe
r what's on the plans?
Of course, common sense would dictate that larger turnbuckles should be use
d with larger cables, and-smaller with smaller - just wondered if anyone
had any info to share.
-
Bill C.-
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| Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
I'm not skimping the plywood I'm using is excellent plywood without
imperfections,
all wood should be precoated with epoxy before glueing to avoid a dry joint,
the gusset
will be coated all over to seal from moisture and to allow the wood to
quench
itself for gluing. This is recommended by most all epoxy suppliers.
I'm thinking that the shear strength of the plywood I'm using is twice the
strength
of Okume marine and would wager on it. No I'm not thinking that the birch
I has twice the shear of okume Marine I know it has.
Have a nice day,
Russell
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you were going to test that plywood to see if it could equal the
> properties of either aircraft or marine grade plywood, wouldn't you want to
> conduct the equivalent testing? You soaked it in your tub, so you did not
> boil test. How did you test the ply to failure? The marine ply test that
> Bill gave an example of called for testing the tensile strength after
> boiling, aircraft grade is shear tested.....
>
> Also, why go through the trouble of soaking every single gusset prior to
> application and 'pre-soaking' all joints with silica and epoxy when you
> could just spend a little more time and money buying the proper materials
> with which to build your airplane, and then just glue your joints and
> gussets normally? You are going to be spending thousands upon thousands of
> dollars to build this aircraft; why skimp a few bucks on wood, which forms
> the backbone of your Piet, when it is a relatively minor expenditure in the
> grand scheme of things?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes I would not try arobatics in a Pie, the Grega plan shows using
>> 3/32 mahogany on the outside all the way down the sides,
>> then on the inside it specifics 1/8 inch birch, I tested the birch
>> I soaked the birch in the bath tub four days and night's(sounds biblical)
>> it is not sold as marine but it is all birch, no knots no pin knots,
>> no voids ot gaps, after soaking I destroyed a piece it failed in the wood
>> not in the glue line, this settles it I will use it, purchased this at 20
>> dollars
>> a sheet at north west woods in INDY if any one is interested
>> in this baltic birch. I bought several sheets of 1/8 and some 1/4.
>> I would suggest you conduct your own test to your satisfaction.
>> I will also soak the gussets completely submurged in epoxy while it
>> is warm and thin. Then I'll put a paste mixture of silica and epoxy
>> in the glue joint pre soaking both wood and gusset this should conclude
>> any
>> doubts about the glue line ebing water proof in my mind. It it was
>> a sail boat I would use marine.
>>
>>
>> Russell
>>
>> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
It has no imperfections on the outer plys. You don't know about the inner,
so you don't know if it is made to an aircraft/marine standard.
Gussets made with appropriate wood don't need to be coated all over with
epoxy to seal from moisture. Coat the joint side of the gusset with a thin
layer of T-88, for example, and lightly secure it. And you are done. The
outside of the gusset, and all the rest of the wood, will be sealed when you
apply the varnish.
You think this about things, you think that about things......then prove it.
If you use aircraft or marine ply, then by your choice you have proved it.
If you choose to use a good grade of ply that is neither marine or aircraft
grade, then prove that it can meet the same standards. Otherwise you are
building your airplane like you'd build your shed....and you probably ought
not try to fly your shed.
Just trying to help. Have a good night,
Ryan
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not skimping the plywood I'm using is excellent plywood without
> imperfections,
> all wood should be precoated with epoxy before glueing to avoid a dry
> joint, the gusset
> will be coated all over to seal from moisture and to allow the wood to
> quench
> itself for gluing. This is recommended by most all epoxy suppliers.
> I'm thinking that the shear strength of the plywood I'm using is twice the
> strength
> of Okume marine and would wager on it. No I'm not thinking that the birch
> I has twice the shear of okume Marine I know it has.
>
>
> Have a nice day,
> Russell
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom Flyin |
I will be there if I'm not on call, I live just south of Louisville so I
will check my work
schedule and will probably camp for the night if space is available.
Russell
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>wrote:
> I was wondering who from the list was planning on attending the "Wood,
> Fabric and Tailwheels" flyin at Lee Bottom Indiana the end of September. I
> know that Mike Cuy is going and my Wife and I are also going, but is there
> any one else? For those that don't know about the flyin it is a very
> friendly, grassroots event the last weekend in September. They typically get
> 400 to 450 planes in for the weekend. The airport is a 4000 foot grass strip
> along the Ohio river, just west of Madison, Indiana. Next to Brodhead this
> is probably my most favorite flyin of the year. Here is a link to the
> flyin http://www.leebottom.com/event_schedule.htm
>
> If you have not been to the flyin before, its really a great time. Lots of
> wood and fabric taildraggers and great people. Rich and Ginger Davidson, who
> own the airport and put the flyin on are also great people. The flyin is
> listed as a one day event ...Saturday, September 26, 2009, but many come in
> on Friday and leave on Sunday. If you don't want to camp, transportation to
> local hotels is provided. Food will be provided from Friday evening through
> the weekend.
>
> Rick Schreiber
>
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| Subject: | Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets |
Good point made, this is what I need to hear.
Thanks, Russell
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> It has no imperfections on the outer plys. You don't know about the inner,
> so you don't know if it is made to an aircraft/marine standard.
>
> Gussets made with appropriate wood don't need to be coated all over with
> epoxy to seal from moisture. Coat the joint side of the gusset with a thin
> layer of T-88, for example, and lightly secure it. And you are done. The
> outside of the gusset, and all the rest of the wood, will be sealed when you
> apply the varnish.
>
> You think this about things, you think that about things......then prove
> it. If you use aircraft or marine ply, then by your choice you have proved
> it. If you choose to use a good grade of ply that is neither marine or
> aircraft grade, then prove that it can meet the same standards. Otherwise
> you are building your airplane like you'd build your shed....and you
> probably ought not try to fly your shed.
>
> Just trying to help. Have a good night,
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not skimping the plywood I'm using is excellent plywood without
>> imperfections,
>> all wood should be precoated with epoxy before glueing to avoid a dry
>> joint, the gusset
>> will be coated all over to seal from moisture and to allow the wood to
>> quench
>> itself for gluing. This is recommended by most all epoxy suppliers.
>> I'm thinking that the shear strength of the plywood I'm using is twice the
>> strength
>> of Okume marine and would wager on it. No I'm not thinking that the birch
>> I has twice the shear of okume Marine I know it has.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a nice day,
>> Russell
>>
>
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