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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Another sketch (Clif Dawson)
2. 06:12 AM - Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? (Kip and Beth Gardner)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? (Skip Gadd)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint maybe ? (Tim Willis)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint maybe ? (Jim Markle)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint maybe ? (Gary Boothe)
7. 10:15 AM - Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint maybe ? (Jeff Boatright)
8. 11:08 AM - Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint maybe ? (Matt Redmond)
9. 11:08 AM - Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint maybe ? (Tim Willis)
10. 11:24 AM - Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint maybe ? (Jeff Boatright)
11. 02:09 PM - Re: Pulleys in Center Section (Michael Perez)
12. 02:22 PM - wood gear angles (Richard Schreiber)
13. 02:35 PM - Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? (shad bell)
14. 03:08 PM - Re: Pietenpo in woodlake ca (jorge lizarraga)
15. 03:42 PM - Re: wood gear angles ()
16. 05:39 PM - FAA Medicals (helspersew@aol.com)
17. 05:50 PM - Re: FAA Medicals (Gary Boothe)
18. 05:53 PM - Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, etc. (helspersew@aol.com)
19. 06:11 PM - Re: wood gear angles (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
20. 06:12 PM - Re: wood gear angles (helspersew@aol.com)
21. 08:56 PM - Re: Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, etc. (Ryan Mueller)
22. 09:13 PM - Wood Gear Jig (Richard Schreiber)
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| Subject: | Re: Another sketch |
Micheal, if you want to know how the parts of this plane
were engineered you have to understand the following
phrase;
Eyeball engineering.
A pastors wife was preparing the Christmas roast and
she cut off the end of the roast. Her husband asked,
"Why do you do that?. She replied that her mother did
this. They spoke to her mother and she answered,
"Because my mother did it that way.".And the grandmother
was still living, so they asked her. She looked at them like
they were crazy and then replied, "To make it fit in the pan.".
Substitute "gusset" for the Pope's Nose .
Now doesn't that sound familiar? :-)
Nasty Clif
The method I use to determine whether the gusset is the right size is
the following:
I measure my gusset, then I compare my measurement to the size shown
in the plans. If they match, we're good to go.
I know, this sounds like a joke, but it really isn't.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? |
Shad,
I posted an announcement about this on thew list a couple of weeks
ago, which appears again below. Nice to know it made an impression
(that's a joke).
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Hey Everyone,
One of our local EAA Chapters contacted me & asked that I post the
following announcement to the list. The site of the event, Clever
Field (PHD), in New Philadelphia, OH is the place where John Glenn
solo'd, BTW. The main runway (14/32) is paved, but if memory serves
me, there is also a grass cross strip (~10/28) as well.
I'll be there showing off some parts of my project & hopefully some
of you have not yet had your fill of summer flying & will be
interested in showing up. Pancake Breakfast starting at ~7am,
Kip Gardner
EAA Chapter 1077 at the New Philadelphia, Ohio airport (Phd) Harry
Clever Field is celebrating the 80th Anniversary of the Pietenpol
Air Camper on Sunday Sept. 6th, 2009.
We are encouraging anyone with a Pietenpol to please attend. This is
a Fund Raiser Pancake Breakfast.
Our Chapter is building a 50' X 70' X 18' high Hangar/Educational
facility starting Sept. 1st. The building itself will be built by
students from the local Buckeye Career Center.
Any questions, please don't hesitate to call me at cell phone
330-340-2999.
Terry Henry
Educational Hangar Chairman
On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:59 PM, shad bell wrote:
> Ohio area guys, Dad said he got a call from someone saying there is
> an unofficial 80th piet celibration on sunday the 6th at New
> Phillidelphia (Clever Airport). Dad might go over, I have to work
> hopefully it is a good turnout, if you go eat a stack of flapjacks
> for me.
>
> Shad
> p.s. is anyone going to MERFI next weekend?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? |
Shad, Plan to be there as soon as I can Sunday. Will probably be 9:30 or 10:AM
before I can get out of Hales Landing because of morning fog. Could be there before
noon.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 9/4/2009 10:03:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Philly Piet fly-in on Sunday?
Ohio area guys, Dad said he got a call from someone saying there is an unofficial
80th piet celibration on sunday the 6th at New Phillidelphia (Clever Airport).
Dad might go over, I have to work hopefully it is a good turnout, if you
go eat a stack of flapjacks for me.
Shad
p.s. is anyone going to MERFI next weekend?
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| Subject: | Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint |
maybe ?
Matt, the exception proves the rule. I will amend my statement: "The ONLY RVers...
don't do wedgies."
You are not alone-- romance is not dead among some other RVers, either. I have
a friend here in Georgetown, TX, Seth, aged nearly 80, who is building his 7th
and 8th personally-built planes, building two in parallel. He has built composites,
all-metal, but no wood-fabric up to now. Presently he flies an RV and
is building a light-sport RV, preparing for his possible loss of medical. This
RV will be the third he has built. When this kit arrived, he stood his Wagabond
project up on its firewall in the corner. He is building the Wag all from
plans, and his welds look perfect. The Wagabond will be his first fabric-covered
plane. As I understand it, he will put tundra tires and a climb prop
on it and have a bush plane.
Seth is quite a resource to the local EAA chapter. To make my point, he helped
Tony Bingelis on two planes, one of them Tony's Falco. [Tony belonged to both
the Austin and San Antonio EAA chapters.] BTW, I asked Seth which plane Tony
wished he had kept, and it was the Falco. In turn, Seth wished he had not sold
his own Long-EZ. It is a pleasure to discuss flying and building with him,
and to have him as a resource and friend.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Redmond
Sent: Sep 4, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint
maybe ?
>>>We can be sure the RVers don't discuss wedgies <<<
Hmm... I'm an RVer and I'm the one that brought up the wedgies!
(got an RV-9 underway but the Piet is way more romantical - must have also)
Matt
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| Subject: | gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint |
maybe ?
>You see? This is why Markle-bashing was so useful:
>
>Grown men, joining in a gang-like, group pile-on of name calling and
>groundless accustations of some faceless soul, incapable of defending
>himself. Instead, we have to twist and tear a simple wood joint in countless
>directions.
Well now that's an interesting way to look at it! :-)
I'll be sure to tell my therapist (he says I'm making good progress) that I've
been "useful" to my favorite community.....
On a slightly unrelated note. Have you all seen Dan Helsper's prop carving CD?
Wow, very cool. I've always viewed prop carving as some mystical artistic endeavor
that takes hours and hours of tedious work. Not so. Well, not so the
way he presents it. I wish now I had paid more attention when he was at Brodhead.
Oh, and I'm selling copies of his CD on ebay........JUST KIDDING!! :-)
Seriously, worth checking into.
jm
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| Subject: | gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint |
maybe ?
I have Dan's CD, and the wood (Hickory), and am very much looking forward to
tackling that project!
This weekend's goal: One more rib (for center section), center section metal
fittings (and the endless kitchen remodel...).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(14 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex
paint maybe ?
>You see? This is why Markle-bashing was so useful:
>
>Grown men, joining in a gang-like, group pile-on of name calling and
>groundless accustations of some faceless soul, incapable of defending
>himself. Instead, we have to twist and tear a simple wood joint in
countless
>directions.
Well now that's an interesting way to look at it! :-)
I'll be sure to tell my therapist (he says I'm making good progress) that
I've been "useful" to my favorite community.....
On a slightly unrelated note. Have you all seen Dan Helsper's prop carving
CD? Wow, very cool. I've always viewed prop carving as some mystical
artistic endeavor that takes hours and hours of tedious work. Not so.
Well, not so the way he presents it. I wish now I had paid more attention
when he was at Brodhead.
Oh, and I'm selling copies of his CD on ebay........JUST KIDDING!! :-)
Seriously, worth checking into.
jm
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| Subject: | Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint |
maybe ?
Tim,
You wrote that Seth...
>...is building a light-sport RV, preparing for his possible loss of medical
You may want to make sure he knows that once an FAA med examiner
denies his medical, then he can't go Sport Pilot (unless he gets the
issue resolved and the medical re-instated, in which case, what's the
point?).
How to avoid this Catch-22 is left as an exercise to the reader... :-(
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint |
maybe ?
On that note, most docs that do medicals also have 'regular' practices. Can
you go to the doc and ask him to give you a physical identical to the FAA
medical but not actually fill out the paperwork for a medical - and then if
you pass it, do it (and pay for it) again the next day, on the record?
Or is it that if an FAA medical examiner knows you hold a medical and he
finds something wrong he has to report it even though you weren't officially
there for a medical?
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> You wrote that Seth...
>
> ...is building a light-sport RV, preparing for his possible loss of medical
>>
>
> You may want to make sure he knows that once an FAA med examiner denies his
> medical, then he can't go Sport Pilot (unless he gets the issue resolved and
> the medical re-instated, in which case, what's the point?).
>
> How to avoid this Catch-22 is left as an exercise to the reader... :-(
>
> Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex |
paint maybe ?
Thanks, I will make sure he knows this. I think I read this once, but had forgotten
it.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>Sent: Sep 5, 2009 12:14 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex
paint maybe ?
>
>
>Tim,
>
> You wrote that Seth...
>
>>...is building a light-sport RV, preparing for his possible loss of medical
>
>You may want to make sure he knows that once an FAA med examiner
>denies his medical, then he can't go Sport Pilot (unless he gets the
>issue resolved and the medical re-instated, in which case, what's the
>point?).
>
>How to avoid this Catch-22 is left as an exercise to the reader... :-(
>
>Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint |
maybe ?
I don't think an FAA med examiner has to report anything if you're
not officially applying for a Medical. If he does find something as
part of a non-FAA examination, he might suggestion remedies to you,
he may even remind you that IF this HAD been an oh-ficial exam, that
he would have had to 'bust' you. However, I don't think he has any
responsibility to report anything to the FAA outside of the results
of an official FAA medical examination. To the contrary, it is the
pilot's responsibility to make a decision every time he or she goes
flying.
There was an article published in a recent AOPA Pilot, or EAA Sport
Aviation, or somewhere, that suggested that you go to your regular
family doc, not an FAA examiner, and have him put you through the FAA
tests. If you have no problems, then immediately schedule an FAA
exam. If you do have concerns, either get them addressed or go SP
(which means - just let your Medical lapse).
>On that note, most docs that do medicals also have 'regular'
>practices. Can you go to the doc and ask him to give you a physical
>identical to the FAA medical but not actually fill out the paperwork
>for a medical - and then if you pass it, do it (and pay for it)
>again the next day, on the record?
>
>Or is it that if an FAA medical examiner knows you hold a medical
>and he finds something wrong he has to report it even though you
>weren't officially there for a medical?
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Boatright
><<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
><<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>jboatri@emory.edu>
>
>Tim,
>
> You wrote that Seth...
>
>...is building a light-sport RV, preparing for his possible loss of medical
>
>
>You may want to make sure he knows that once an FAA med examiner
>denies his medical, then he can't go Sport Pilot (unless he gets the
>issue resolved and the medical re-instated, in which case, what's
>the point?).
>
>How to avoid this Catch-22 is left as an exercise to the reader... :-(
>
>Jeff
>uch as List Un/Subscription,
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| Subject: | Re: Pulleys in Center Section |
Maybe run the pully bolt through the spar as well? (That-is my plan.)
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| Subject: | wood gear angles |
Guys,
I have been working on my straight axle wood gear for the past couple of days.
I have basically been following Chris Tracys info on his web site (thanks Chris
for all the work). My question is the angle on the wood ash blocks. I understand
that the blocks are roughly placed at the deck angle and also must be angled
in towards the tailwheel in order that the gear legs are in the same plane.
My problem is that try as I might, I cant get the ash block (or with Chris'
plans the square alignment board) to contact both gear legs perfectly. I can get
a good alignment on the font leg, but get about a 1/16 gap on the rear of the
rear leg or vice versa.
Has anyone else had this problem? Is it an issue? Do I just twist the leg or shim
it slightly to get a good fit. I have been working on this all day and its
driving me crazy.
By the way I have the same issue on both sides.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? |
Mike, yes I plan on mid morning departure from Centerburg, OH71-then retu
rning mid afternoon or so.- I made it to your field in about an hour or s
o, and Grimes is only 45min from here, so let me know if you want to meet h
ere, fuel up, pee and head on over.--My wife works so I have to run my
son to grandma's house in the early morning and then fly over.
-
Shad-
I'm a maybe for Grimes, MERFI.---I have to look it up-- I've never be
en there.---You're only going Sat. then back home right ?
Mike C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [owner-pietenpol-list-serve
r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell [aviatorbell@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday?
Ohio area guys, Dad said he got a call from someone saying there is an unof
ficial 80th piet celibration on sunday the 6th at New Phillidelphia (Clever
Airport).- Dad might go over, I have to work hopefully it is a good turn
out, if you go eat a stack of flapjacks for me.
Shad
p.s. is anyone going to MERFI next weekend?
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpo in woodlake ca |
those people ask about flying piet is one in wood lake I talk whit george b
enson a&p mecanic about these is interest in meet you in 19th reunion his f
one #(559)303-3099.and you can contact to ba.flyer@hotmail.com, tanks for a
ll you help seyou nex
--- On Tue, 7/28/09, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA?great
I will be gone for a few days on vacation... Perhaps in a couple of weeks I
will be down in the hanford area.
Thank you for getting back to me!
Mark
=0AOn Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
wrote:
=0Asound exelente im building one now and for now my best days for off work
is whekends and some a wile before dark bur when you are aroun please telm
y afew days before all weis chec my mails before to bed tanks again jorge f
rom hanford
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--- On Tue, 7/28/09, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA??yes
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0AThank you Jorge!!=0A
=0AI will drop George an email... I plan to attend the Sacramento gathering
, and hope to meet you there! -Perhaps George can make it as well...=0A
=0AI am occasionally in Hanford, so perhaps I can meet you sometime and see
your Piet too!=0A
=0AMark
=0AOn Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM, jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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hi IM Jorge livin in hanfor and build one piet another person in tulery bui
ld to but george benson have a old flyable piet in wood lake and senyou his
mail to- ba.flyer@hotmail.com...
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=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Piets in CA??
=0A
=0AHey guys: =0A
=0AI'd like to see if I can connect with any flying Piets in California...
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s anything flying close enough to drive to...=0A
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| Subject: | Re: wood gear angles |
Rick
I had a small gap on one of the front leg too. I just twist it in and
it was fine. If your following how I did it I think it stems from
having a slight miss cut on the end where it meets the fuselage. In any
event 1/16th isn't going to be a problem. Just remember that when you
are drilling the holes to twist it in.
Here is proof that I am not perfect.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/IMG_1572.JPG
You can see that I wrote my self a note.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear angles
Guys,
I have been working on my straight axle wood gear for the past couple
of days. I have basically been following Chris Tracys info on his web
site (thanks Chris for all the work). My question is the angle on the
wood ash blocks. I understand that the blocks are roughly placed at the
deck angle and also must be angled in towards the tailwheel in order
that the gear legs are in the same plane. My problem is that try as I
might, I cant get the ash block (or with Chris' plans the square
alignment board) to contact both gear legs perfectly. I can get a good
alignment on the font leg, but get about a 1/16 gap on the rear of the
rear leg or vice versa.
Has anyone else had this problem? Is it an issue? Do I just twist the
leg or shim it slightly to get a good fit. I have been working on this
all day and its driving me crazy.
By the way I have the same issue on both sides.
Rick Schreiber
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Hello all you good people!
I go to an FAA medical examiner (highly recommended by local pilots). Before you
even fill out the application, you see that there is a BIG sign on the receptionist's
counter that says that if you have ANY reservations about your ability
to pass, to NOT sign or date the application before you have had a chance to
talk to the doctor. I did just that, last time I was in there, because I had
a bad stomach ulcer 7 months prior, which I was transported to the hospital via
ambulance. I had a grueling 5-day hospital stay with all kinds of upper GI
scopes and transfusions, medication etc. When I finally got into his office, he
did a thorough research on the FAA Medical Examiners websight discovering EXACTLY
what would be required in order for me to obtain a 3rd class medical. Long
story short, there are some FAA docs out there that would give you the heads-up
if you were about to fail, so that you had the choice to go Light Sport before
the hammer came down. This guy will be my Doc f
or all my flying carrer going forward. You just have to find the right guy.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
P.S. Praise God my wife was home at the time, otherwise I would have been dead
for sure. Keeled-over and too weak to even get the cell out of my pocket!!
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Dan,
Excellent info, that may also apply to me. I appreciate the heads-up.
BTW - without a doubt, your wife stayed cool-headed while helping you to get
to the hospital.unlike when your engine started for the first time! I smile
every time I play that CD!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FAA Medicals
Hello all you good people!
I go to an FAA medical examiner (highly recommended by local pilots). Before
you even fill out the application, you see that there is a BIG sign on the
receptionist's counter that says that if you have ANY reservations about
your ability to pass, to NOT sign or date the application before you have
had a chance to talk to the doctor. I did just that, last time I was in
there, because I had a bad stomach ulcer 7 months prior, which I was
transported to the hospital via ambulance. I had a grueling 5-day hospital
stay with all kinds of upper GI scopes and transfusions, medication etc.
When I finally got into his office, he did a thorough research on the FAA
Medical Examiners websight discovering EXACTLY what would be required in
order for me to obtain a 3rd class medical. Long story short, there are some
FAA docs out there that would give you the heads-up if you were about to
fail, so that you had the choice to go Light Spor t before the hammer came
down. This guy will be my Doc for all my flying carrer going forward. You
just have to find the right guy.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
P.S. Praise God my wife was home at the time, otherwise I would have been
dead for sure. Keeled-over and too weak to even get the cell out of my
pocket!!
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| Subject: | Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, etc. |
Gentlemen,
While all you clowns are discussing completely irrevelant subjects, there ARE some
of us that are continuing to work, using our time effectively, and making
some real progress on our projects. Attached are some photos of my one-piece wing
"inserted" into my wing painting stand. It is fully castored so I can handle
this huge panel without any help. I think I may have to add a few extra legs
somewhere to stiffen it up a bit, but so far it looks like it will function
as desired.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | wood gear angles |
Rick-- that was one of the most challenging thing to solve and get right on my
Piet---the compound angles of the gear legs where they meet the ash blocks.
It about drove me into the nut house but one my FOURTH set of gear leg cutting
attempts I got it.
Not only do you have to angle your bottom ash pieces to point toward the tailwheel
but from a top view angle them inward at the aft ends to point towards
the tailwheel as well--- once you set them up like that you'll find those wood
gear leg cuts are easier t make fit----but they are critical cuts where if you
cut
at just a titch the wrong angle....your gear leg is too short or scrap. Very
touchy sawing adjustments down there to get those wood joints to fit flush.
There is NOTHING as pretty as a wood legged, wire wheeled Pietenpol in my opinion
but the work to make those gear legs can be a real nightmare......but
just think---it will be all worth it when you're done. At 99% of the fly-in's
you'll go to or airports you will be the ONLY airplane there with old Jenny
style
landing gear legs and wheels. And people love the looks. Even RV guys !
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| Subject: | Re: wood gear angles |
Rick,
This was, without a doubt, the most challenging and frustrating part of the building
process for me. I finally got it, but not before many frustrating failures.
And this was before Chris Tracey's hints were published. I did have very helpful
advice from Mike Cuy and Jack Phillips which was a tremendous help to me.
Don't give up, give it a rest till tomorrow, and take another fresh look at
it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2009 4:22 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear angles
Guys,
I have been working on my straight axle wood gear for the past couple of days.
I have basically been following Chris Tracys info on his web site (thanks Chris
for all the work). My question is the angle on the wood ash blocks. I understand
that the blocks are roughly placed at the deck angle and also must be angled
in towards the tailwheel in order that the gear legs are in the same plane.
My problem is that try as I might, I cant get the ash block (or with Chris'
plans the?square alignment board) to contact both gear legs perfectly. I can get
a good alignment on the font leg, but get about a 1/16 gap on the rear of the
rear leg or vice versa.
?
Has anyone else had this problem? Is it an issue? Do I just twist the leg or shim
it slightly to get a good fit. I have been working on this all day and its
driving me crazy.
?
By the way I have the same issue on both sides.
?
?
Rick Schreiber
?
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| Subject: | Re: Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, |
etc.
Wow! I'm so glad we cut our one piece wing. :P (that looks awesome Dan!)
Jess says she'll keep an eye out for a 40 Tesla magnet, and then you can
just flesh that stand out into an MRI machine once the Piet is complete. No
need for inspection panels....
Have a good night,
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:51 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> While all you clowns are discussing completely irrevelant subjects, there
> ARE *some* of us that are continuing to work, using our time effectively,
> and making some real progress on our projects. Attached are some photos of
> my one-piece wing "inserted" into my wing painting stand. It is fully
> castored so I can handle this huge panel without any help. I think I may
> have to add a few extra legs somewhere to stiffen it up a bit, but so far it
> looks like it will function as desired.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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Mike, Chris and Dan...
Thanks for the response. I did give it a rest Dan. I went back down a little while
ago and gave it another shot and everything just fell in place. I tried it
again and everything just lined up and sort of fell in place. I have no idea
what the issue was before, other than when trying to set it up by yourself you
sort of feel like one armed paper hanger. I had so many clamps and braces just
to make up for the lack of another pair of hands.
I now have anchored the fore and aft guide on the left side and then tried the
right side again. This side also lined up as it should. Both sides are now jigged
and ready to cut the test legs.
My hats are off to everyone who did the straight axle gear set ups before you published
your directions Chris. I don't know if I would have been smart enough
to figure it out without a lot of help. I have been sweating doing the gear for
a while now. I think the worst is now behind me.
The sad part is that I was hoping to get the gear pretty well done this weekend.
That was until the drive belts on my table saw decided to give up the ghost..
I probably wont have replacements for another week.
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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