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1. 01:48 AM - Re: Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, etc. (carson)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, etc. (Ed G.)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: Stewart Systems, was Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, etc. (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 06:09 AM - Re: Stewart Systems, was Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, etc. (amsafetyc@aol.com)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
6. 07:16 AM - Wing stand (helspersew@aol.com)
7. 07:42 AM - Re: Wing stand (Gary Boothe)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint ma... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 08:21 AM - Re: Wood List (K5YAC)
10. 08:47 AM - Medicals; was: Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint ma... (Owen Davies)
11. 09:03 AM - Re: FAA Medicals & wing stand (Tim Willis)
12. 09:08 AM - Re: Medicals; was: Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint ma... (amsafetyc@aol.com)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: Wood Source in Texas? (Ken Chambers)
14. 09:52 AM - Re: Stewart Systems, was Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on (jimd)
15. 10:58 AM - Re: Wood Source in Texas? (Tim Willis)
16. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Wood List ()
17. 02:47 PM - Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar (Jerry Dotson)
18. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: Wood List (Ryan Mueller)
19. 03:28 PM - Re: Wood List (K5YAC)
20. 05:01 PM - Re: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar (Gary Boothe)
21. 06:13 PM - Re: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar (Jerry Dotson)
22. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar (airlion)
23. 06:42 PM - Re: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar (airlion)
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| Subject: | Re: Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, |
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Thats brilliant Dan I will be copying that in about 4 years when my wings are ready
to paint so don't forget the details as I will have questions.
Well done
Carson
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| Subject: | Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, |
etc.
Awesome jig Dan. Nice big shop or hanger too! I'm so cramped for space that
looks great to me! Good luck with your paint work. What type of paint are
you useing?? Ed Grentzer Working on mechanical brake cables and pulleys.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wedgies=2C wedges=2C gussets=2C elephants on ribs
=2C puking=2C etc.
From: helspersew@aol.com
Gentlemen=2C
While all you clowns are discussing completely irrevelant subjects=2C there
ARE some of us that are continuing to work=2C using our time effectively
=2C and making some real progress on our projects. Attached are some photos
of my one-piece wing "inserted" into my wing painting stand. It is fully c
astored so I can handle this huge panel without any help. I think I may hav
e to add a few extra legs somewhere to stiffen it up a bit=2C but so far it
looks like it will function as desired.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart Systems, was Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants |
on ribs, puking, etc.
Ed,
?
I am using the Stewart System- all water soluble. So far I really like it. The
glue is especially easy to use. The Stewart's have posted a lot of their instructional
videos on YouTube. Very helpful.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Ed G. <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2009 7:16 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking,
etc.
Awesome jig Dan. Nice big shop or hanger?too! I'm so cramped for space that looks
great to me!? Good luck with your paint work. What type of paint are you useing???Ed
Grentzer?? Working on mechanical brake cables and pulleys.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants on ribs, puking, etc.
From: helspersew@aol.com
Gentlemen,
?
While all you clowns are discussing completely irrevelant subjects, there ARE some
of us that are continuing to work, using our time effectively, and making
some real progress on our projects. Attached are some photos of my one-piece wing
"inserted" into my wing painting stand. It is fully castored so I can handle
this huge panel without any help. I think I may have to add a few extra legs
somewhere to stiffen it up a bit, but so far it looks like it will function
as desired.
?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now.
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart Systems, was Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants |
on ribs, puking, etc.
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| Subject: | Re: Ford Crank Extension, Fits aircraft 6 deg.hubs. |
Hello Lowell: I am interested in a prop extension if the cost isn't
prohivative. Leon Stefan 613 N. Salem Rd. Nickerson Ks. 67561-9010
lshutks@webtv.net 620-200 3300 (cell) or 620-422 8888 house phone.
usually 3 to 6pm during the week. I work at night and sleep during the
day. thanks
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Here are a few detail shots of the wing stand. I actually added a few more castors
after this to keep the everything on track, to keep the circle from falling
off the bed rollers.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Dan,
I think you watched "Stargate" one too many times!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing stand
Here are a few detail shots of the wing stand. I actually added a few more
castors after this to keep the everything on track, to keep the circle from
falling off the bed rollers.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk about latex paint |
ma...
True enough, some of those guys really enjoy the power of killing your
ticket for medical. Having been exposed to one of those jerks first hand I know
what that's all about.
Rule, know your doc
Rule, don't volunteer information that is not relevant
Rule, consider carefully what you say about your medical condition and
history, the way you word a response can make all the difference in the world
Any wrinkle or discussion topic is fare game for failure so don't ask
questions about specific medical conditions that points a finger of suspicion in
your direction.
Trouble Sleeping is a big one, that gets you to two places immediately,
sleep apnea automatic failure even if you were treated many years before
you still have to prove it up to and including additional studies and the all
together fun of sleep and awake one that lasts for a full 8 hours and in
nothing short of tempted sleep at intervals. nuff said
Dont say $hiCrap
depression, automatic failure. dont know how that one works but youll wash
out quick on that or medications for
A word to the wise
John
In a message dated 9/5/2009 2:25:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jboatri@emory.edu writes:
I don't think an FAA med examiner has to report anything if you're not
officially applying for a Medical. If he does find something as part of a
non-FAA examination, he might suggestion remedies to you, he may even remind you
that IF this HAD been an oh-ficial exam, that he would have had to 'bust'
you. However, I don't think he has any responsibility to report anything to
the FAA outside of the results of an official FAA medical examination. To
the contrary, it is the pilot's responsibility to make a decision every
time he or she goes flying.
There was an article published in a recent AOPA Pilot, or EAA Sport
Aviation, or somewhere, that suggested that you go to your regular family doc,
not an FAA examiner, and have him put you through the FAA tests. If you have
no problems, then immediately schedule an FAA exam. If you do have concerns,
either get them addressed or go SP (which means - just let your Medical
lapse).
On that note, most docs that do medicals also have 'regular' practices.
Can you go to the doc and ask him to give you a physical identical to the
FAA medical but not actually fill out the paperwork for a medical - and then
if you pass it, do it (and pay for it) again the next day, on the record?
Or is it that if an FAA medical examiner knows you hold a medical and he
finds something wrong he has to report it even though you weren't officially
there for a medical?
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Boatright <_jboatri@emory.edu_
(mailto:jboatri@emory.edu) > wrote:
(mailto:jboatri@emory.edu) >
Tim,
You wrote that Seth...
...is building a light-sport RV, preparing for his possible loss of medical
You may want to make sure he knows that once an FAA med examiner denies
his medical, then he can't go Sport Pilot (unless he gets the issue resolved
and the medical re-instated, in which case, what's the point?).
How to avoid this Catch-22 is left as an exercise to the reader... :-(
Jeff
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Update:
I found a hard copy of the page I was looking for up at he hangar. I still don't
remember how I got this list (e-mail or forum), as I still can not find the
electronic version, so I am in the process of retyping it with the hand written
notes.
For anyone wondering, this list was compiled by Robert McKinley, to include some
hand written notes. Perhaps that rings a bell with some? Having studied it
several times before placing the order for my wood package, I think I'll find
it useful to go through it again while I identify the various pieces prior to
cutting.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk |
about latex paint ma...
AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> True enough, some of those guys really enjoy the power of killing your
> ticket for medical. Having been exposed to one of those jerks first
> hand I know what that's all about.
One common trick is to set up the appointment for mid-morning. The
victim then recognizes an opportunity for a nice breakfast out with his
wife; loads up on eggs, pancakes, and syrup; and arrives at the
appointment with sky-high blood glucose. Instant down-check for diabetes!
Beware. This ploy targets pilots in the over-60 crowd--guys like many of us.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Medicals & wing stand |
Dan,
Thanks for the nice shots of your great wing stand. That is really some wing,
too.
We are all glad you are still with us, after the ulcer. Wow!
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sep 5, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FAA Medicals
Hello all you good people!
I go to an FAA medical examiner (highly recommended by local pilots). Before you
even fill out the application, you see that there is a BIG sign on the receptionist's
counter that says that if you have ANY reservations about your ability
to pass, to NOT sign or date the application before you have had a chance to
talk to the doctor. I did just that, last time I was in there, because I had
a bad stomach ulcer 7 months prior, which I was transported to the hospital via
ambulance. I had a grueling 5-day hospital stay with all kinds of upper GI
scopes and transfusions, medication etc. When I finally got into his office, he
did a thorough research on the FAA Medical Examiners websight discovering EXACTLY
what would be required in order for me to obtain a 3rd class medical. Long
story short, there are some FAA docs out there that would give you the heads-up
if you were about to fail, so that you had the choice to go Light Spor t
before the hammer came down. This guy will be my Doc for all my flying carrer
going forward. You just have to find the right guy.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
P.S. Praise God my wife was home at the time, otherwise I would have been dead
for sure. Keeled-over and too weak to even get the cell out of my pocket!!
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| Subject: | Re: gussets and wedgies---can we talk |
about latex paint ma...
I suppose one could say that having a current medical in a LSA is about useful
as 600 extra lbs in a Peit
Just a far fetched analogy
John
Do not archive
------Original Message------
From: Owen Davies
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Sep 6, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: Medicals; was: Re: Pietenpol-List: gussets and wedgies---can we talk
about latex paint ma...
AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> True enough, some of those guys really enjoy the power of killing your
> ticket for medical. Having been exposed to one of those jerks first
> hand I know what that's all about.
One common trick is to set up the appointment for mid-morning. The
victim then recognizes an opportunity for a nice breakfast out with his
wife; loads up on eggs, pancakes, and syrup; and arrives at the
appointment with sky-high blood glucose. Instant down-check for diabetes!
Beware. This ploy targets pilots in the over-60 crowd--guys like many of us.
Owen
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Source in Texas? |
Hey Matt
That might have been Alpha Aviation in Caddo Mills. My Dad's business. He
moved to Major's Field in Greenville about ten years ago. He's semi-retired
and doesn't sell wood any more.
Ken
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Matt Redmond <mdredmond@gmail.com> wrote:
> Many (15ish) years ago there was a place to buy aviation-grade spruce in
> Texas east of Dallas, it was somewhere between Greenville and Sulphur
> Springs, IIRC. Does anyone know where that could be?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
> *
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> *
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>
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Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart Systems, was Wedgies, wedges, gussets, elephants |
on
I am using stewart systems on my wings, the pics are on the westcoast site. Was
able to do them in my living room as the smell was no problem. The ekobond is
heat activated, but it lets you make everything super smooth with an iron, if
you experiment with it, much easier/better than sanding. Watch the humidity,
if it is raining out the stuff may never set up. Otherwise I like it. Glue is
hard to get off of clothing, can pull hair if you get it on you. (Don't ask how
I know. )
Jim D :P
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Source in Texas? |
Ken,
Drat! Just when I thought I had found a good A/C wood source here in TX. Ken,
do you know of such a source?
(I know Fine Lumber in Austin has some marine ply in some dimensions, but no fir
or spruce.)
Thanks,
Tim in central TX (Georgetown)
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Chambers
Sent: Sep 6, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Source in Texas?
Hey Matt
That might have been Alpha Aviation in Caddo Mills. My Dad's business. He moved
to Major's Field in Greenville about ten years ago. He's semi-retired and doesn't
sell wood any more.
Ken
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Matt Redmond <mdredmond@gmail.com> wrote:
Many (15ish) years ago there was a place to buy aviation-grade spruce in Texas
east of Dallas, it was somewhere between Greenville and Sulphur Springs, IIRC.
Does anyone know where that could be?
Thanks,
Matt
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Is this the list your talking about? I finaly found it on my computer a
little too late for you. I think Bill Church sent it out several months
ago.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood List
>
> Update:
>
> I found a hard copy of the page I was looking for up at he hangar. I
> still don't remember how I got this list (e-mail or forum), as I still can
> not find the electronic version, so I am in the process of retyping it
> with the hand written notes.
>
> For anyone wondering, this list was compiled by Robert McKinley, to
> include some hand written notes. Perhaps that rings a bell with some?
> Having studied it several times before placing the order for my wood
> package, I think I'll find it useful to go through it again while I
> identify the various pieces prior to cutting.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261738#261738
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| Subject: | Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar |
Group I had a very nice visit with Gardner Mason. I went to AS&S in Peachtree City,Ga
to pick up my wood package and 4130. I came back by Gardner's hangar I
had a great time and really enjoyed drooling over his Pietenpol. It is all but
ready to fly. Very nice Corvair installation. I didn't stay long as there was
some weather moving in and I wanted to get home ahead of it. Thanks Gardner for
your hospitality.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
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It appears that althought that list is named as a .jpg file, it is actually
a .tif with the wrong extension. Here's a jpg version...
Thanks for providing it, Chris. Have a good day,
Ryan
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:21 PM, <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
> Is this the list your talking about? I finaly found it on my computer a
> little too late for you. I think Bill Church sent it out several months
> ago.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
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That's the one! I used that list to inventory my wood package this afternoon and
found that everything was accounted for. In fact, I ended up with a couple
of extra pieces...
1 - 1"x1"x7' the list calls for 1, I have 2
2 - 3/16"x1/2"x6' the list calls for 7, I have 9
2 - 3/16"x1/2"x4' the list calls for 7, I have 9
Mr. McKinley's list states "Pietenpol Air Camper Original"... I wonder if this
may be an indication of materials needed for the original (standard) fuse, whereas
maybe the additional pieces included in the AS&S package allow for the long
fuse. Anyone know if this is the case?
All things accounted for, I don't believe that the leading or trailing edges for
the wing are included, and I'm not sure that the wing tip bows are either.
Inventory was the easy part... now I get to try and figure out which pieces are
used for the different assemblies.
Any other tips out there? [Laughing]
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar |
Jerry,
Gardiner showed me some photos at Brodhead, but I haven't seen anything on
the net, or the latest. You didn't happen to take any pictures, did you?
Gardiner, I know you're out there...how about posting some pics?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar
Group I had a very nice visit with Gardner Mason. I went to AS&S in
Peachtree City,Ga to pick up my wood package and 4130. I came back by
Gardner's hangar I had a great time and really enjoyed drooling over his
Pietenpol. It is all but ready to fly. Very nice Corvair installation. I
didn't stay long as there was some weather moving in and I wanted to get
home ahead of it. Thanks Gardner for your hospitality.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261774#261774
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar |
Gary I only took some pictures of his trim tab,alternator and voltage regulator.
My son was with me and I thought he was taking picture but he was drooling on
the airplane too. I didn't get a picture of him or the whole airplane. I think
those 3 pictures was all I got. My wife gave me WHAT FOR about it too!
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar |
Jerry' Thanks for the very nice comments you made about me and my Piet. I will
get some picks this week and my wife said she would post them. See you at Evergreen
wx permitting. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 9:12:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar
Gary I only took some pictures of his trim tab,alternator and voltage regulator.
My son was with me and I thought he was taking picture but he was drooling on
the airplane too. I didn't get a picture of him or the whole airplane. I think
those 3 pictures was all I got. My wife gave me WHAT FOR about it too!
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar |
I will Gary. Thanks for your comments too. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 7:58:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar
Jerry,
Gardiner showed me some photos at Brodhead, but I haven't seen anything on
the net, or the latest. You didn't happen to take any pictures, did you?
Gardiner, I know you're out there...how about posting some pics?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Visit to Gardner Mason's hangar
Group I had a very nice visit with Gardner Mason. I went to AS&S in
Peachtree City,Ga to pick up my wood package and 4130. I came back by
Gardner's hangar I had a great time and really enjoyed drooling over his
Pietenpol. It is all but ready to fly. Very nice Corvair installation. I
didn't stay long as there was some weather moving in and I wanted to get
home ahead of it. Thanks Gardner for your hospitality.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261774#261774
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