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1. 03:08 AM - Re: building in cramped workshops (jimd)
2. 04:40 AM - Re: Final version- one-piece-wing stand (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 06:55 AM - Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Doug Dever)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Ben Charvet)
6. 09:20 AM - Re: Traveling to the West Coast (Mark Roberts)
7. 11:38 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Ryan Mueller)
8. 12:12 PM - Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine (Ben Charvet)
9. 12:47 PM - Re: MY PANEL (899PM)
10. 12:52 PM - Any Piets in the Rapid City SD area? (Jim Markle)
11. 01:11 PM - Re: MY PANEL (899PM)
12. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Gary Boothe's progress (Jim)
13. 02:12 PM - Re: MY PANEL (Jim)
14. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: MY PANEL (Wayne Bressler)
15. 02:13 PM - Re: New Directors for EAA (Barry Davis)
16. 02:48 PM - Re: MY PANEL (899PM)
17. 03:01 PM - Re: Re: Gary Boothe's progress (Jim)
18. 03:17 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Bill Church)
19. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: MY PANEL (Gary Boothe)
20. 06:37 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Richard Schreiber)
21. 09:38 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Robert Ray)
22. 10:05 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Robert Ray)
23. 10:20 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Matt Redmond)
24. 11:03 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: building in cramped workshops |
Oscar,
You made a few good points. When I was getting my biplane piet project, I wanted
to build it in the EAA hangar's near me, as they have lots of room and tools
and so forth, and they discouraged me... and were right.
I have been working in my house, and the most productive work has been in my living
room, dragging the wings in and having them in front of the TV sort of forces
you to notice and lets you hang out with your family while still working
on your project and enjoying it. If I could, I would have a large open house that
was a mix of shop and house, and would draw my family in to building things,
repairing things and enjoying accomplishing something with their hands.
My garage was totally full before I took on an airplane, so now my basement is
cramped, the garage is, and the overflow is in a shed I had to get and build.
Like everyone else I would love to have a big spacious place to build, but the
farther it is from your living room, the tougher it is to get their.
I will try to update my project pics soon, have my lower wings done now, and about
ready to start on the top wings. (Did bottom first because it can fly with
only the top, and that would make it much less likely I would ever have finished
the bottom ones, and the bottom ones needed more work.)
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Final version- one-piece-wing stand |
My hero is Rube Goldberg. :o)
D.H.
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Final version- one-piece-wing stand
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In a message dated 9/8/2009 8:14:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, helspersew@aol.com
writes:
Here are some pics of the final version of my one-piece-wing stand, after I added
a few stiffeners. Now it is sufficiently braced and I am confident it will
do the job without failure. I will send?additional detailed photos to Chris Tracy's?Westcoastpiet.com
site.
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Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Paint in place of varnish |
Curious of opinions using paint in place of varnish. I like the look of pai
nted frame work and would like to try it. I would hope that the wood not re
adily exposed to the elements, (wings, main fuselage, etc.) would be fine w
ith just paint. I plan on using varnish for the cockpit areas as they may s
ee a lot more moisture. (I like the natural wood look there.) Any issues wi
th painting my wood structures instead of varnish?
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Thanks again.
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| Subject: | Paint in place of varnish |
Mike=2C
You could use a good urethane. System Three marine comes to mind. But=2C
once painted it would be very difficult if not impossible to inspect the co
ndition of the wood.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
Curious of opinions using paint in place of varnish. I like the look of pai
nted frame work and would like to try it. I would hope that the wood not re
adily exposed to the elements=2C (wings=2C main fuselage=2C etc.) would be
fine with just paint. I plan on using varnish for the cockpit areas as they
may see a lot more moisture. (I like the natural wood look there.) Any iss
ues with painting my wood structures instead of varnish?
Thanks again.
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
Well, as I remember varnishing the wing was a very time consuming task.
I always assumed varnish was recommended because it would be easier
years down the road to detect darkening of areas where rot had started.
>From a practical standpoint, by the time I was finished with two coats
of varnish on my wing, I had varnish everywhere, which is easier to
clean up than paint!
Ben
Michael Perez wrote:
> Curious of opinions using paint in place of varnish. I like the look
> of painted frame work and would like to try it. I would hope that the
> wood not readily exposed to the elements, (wings, main fuselage, etc.)
> would be fine with just paint. I plan on using varnish for the cockpit
> areas as they may see a lot more moisture. (I like the natural wood
> look there.) Any issues with painting my wood structures instead of
> varnish?
>
> Thanks again.
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Traveling to the West Coast |
Yeah John!
If you come up to the gathering in Lincoln, we can pour over the parts file
s
together and determine what still needs to be done.
You'll be SO close compared to .... where ever the heck you are back
there...
Mark
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> John,
>
>
> Lincoln, CA is 5 hours north of Santa Maria. We are having quite a
> get-together on the 19th at fellow builder, Mike Weaver=92s house. Lincol
n
> is about 30 minutes from Sacramento Int=92l Airport and you could fly out
> there to anywhere you need to go.
>
>
> C=92mon, say you will=85.we=92ll make you an honorary guest member of the
West
> Coast Pieters (name not official).
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> AMsafetyC@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:00 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Traveling to the West Coast
>
>
> Okay sports fans. I will being arriving Ontario Ca Tuesday evening the 15
th
> then on to Nipomo, CA 16,17,18. I have no idea where that is nor does it
> matter except for the obvious question.
>
>
> Any Piet projects in the Nipomo Ca area to look at or check out? From wha
t
> I know at the moment its about 40 minutes out from Santa Maria. that's th
e
> extent of my knowledge on that topic
>
>
> Not sure about timing, but thought I would ask. and I may have access to
> wheels not too certain about that or when.
>
>
> contact off list please
>
>
> John
>
>
> Do not archive
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
I would second Doug and Ben's comments. The transparency of a varnished
finish makes inspection possible.
Your rationale of liking the look of a painted framework.....well, I could
understand that in the cockpit areas where you will see it....but you are
talking about painting the structure that you cannot see.....so what does it
matter what it looks like? Once it's covered you won't see it (hopefully)
for years and years.....
Ryan
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Curious of opinions using paint in place of varnish. I like the look of
> painted frame work and would like to try it. I would hope that the wood not
> readily exposed to the elements, (wings, main fuselage, etc.) would be fine
> with just paint. I plan on using varnish for the cockpit areas as they may
> see a lot more moisture. (I like the natural wood look there.) Any issues
> with painting my wood structures instead of varnish?
>
> Thanks again.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine |
I initially left the inside plywood off and had to add it later. Its
been a few years and I don't remember exactly why... That piece does
tie the upper motor mounts to the front cabane mount, and this area does
get a lot of holes drilled through the longerons so the extra
reinforcement is a good idea. I put the ash piece where the plans call
for it, because I was going to use a Corvair and it was necessary for
the Pietenpol Corvair motor mount. Now it just reinforces the
firewall. All of the various braces should stand tall like the
longerons so they can be gusseted on both sides
Ben Charvet
Robert Ray wrote:
> Yes I was thinking the same think? any one know since I
> have located a zero time a-65 with new pistons for 5,000
> minus the mags and carb.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Michael Perez
> <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net <mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
> I have a few questions for building the short fuselage to use a
> Continental engine.
>
> Are the large plywood "sides" needed on the inside up front by the
> top engine mount brackets if the "model A shelf" will not be
> built? Can I use normal size gussets for those top engine mount
> brackets and some wedges?
>
> The plans for the model A show the large ash cross member up front
> connecting the sides at about 4.5" down from the top. Is this
> heavy ash member still needed for a Continental and if so, can it
> be moved up closer to the top, nearer the top engine mount
> brackets? Or can a spruce piece be used up at the top same as
> what is shown for the bottom? (The bottom piece is 3/4" X 3/4"
> spruce...seems a little small.)
>
> Lastly, for now, most of the various braces are 1/2" X 1". Do I
> stand these pieces up so they are 1" tall like the longerons, or
> lay them flat so they are 1/2" tall?
>
> Thanks is advance.
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The inclinometer is a reproduction from a 1919 Carl Ort catalog if I remember correctly.
It came with my Sky Scout project. It is fairly complex and someone
had a lot of time into building it. I have the artwork for the face. The face
is aluminum, the body is a wooden assembly and the glass tubes are hand blown/bent
by presumably a neon signmaker. The vertical tube has a rubber plug thru
which I injected alcohol colored with red dye. It is very fussy to get just the
right amount in to make it accurate and repeatable. Properly set up it is accurate(so
far).
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| Subject: | Any Piets in the Rapid City SD area? |
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another pic
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| Subject: | Re: Gary Boothe's progress |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
Oh boy the challenges are winging around now! Your center section looks good Chris
and thank you very much for the landing gear shock strut drawings. They really
did help.
Jim B.
On Sep 7, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote:
Gary
So nice to hear you finally have the butt ribs and the fittings done.
However, I'm sorry to say, my center section is almost finished and ALL my
ribs are built. Wing construction will start this week. I thought I felt
you breathing down my neck but it was just the dog.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gary Boothe's progress
>
> Mike,
>
> "yes-- someday I too can join in the group of pilots who have actually
> BUILT, FLOWN IN, and LANDED MY airplane on the hallowed grounds of that
> little podunk airport..."
>
> Just trying to catch up to Chris Tracy! By Golly, I think he's going to
> finish before me!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (15 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
> Michael
> D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:43 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gary Boothe's progress
>
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Gary-- every little step that you take forward like you butt ribs being
> complete3d for the center section and the metall attachement fittings are
> ALL GREAT signs of step-by-step progress that you are making toward the
> day
> that your new Pietenpol is surrounded by onlookers trying to ge
> the first look at YOUR new Pietnepol at Brodhead ! Every litttle step
> of
> progress like that is awe inspiring and makes you feel like "yes-- someday
> I
> too
> can join in the group of pilots who have actually BUILT, FLOWN IN, and
> LANDED MY airplane on the hallowed grounds of that little podunk airport
> that
> has become all too familiar to us followers as the birthplace of new
> Pietenpols. I am forever impressed by the wonderful new planes that you
> gents are
> cranking out and I hope to live to be 90 to be there to watch the
> Pietenpol
> torch be passed ala the Olympics to newer and newer generations of low
> and slow flyers. What a joy in my next 20-30 years it will be to see the
> up
> and coming Pietenpol builders build, create, test fly, and impress the
> living
> crap out of the glasspanel nundnicks at Oshkosh where biblically the
> "foolish shall confound the wise" !! I love it ! Long live der
> Pietenpol
> Air Camper, GN-1, and variants thereof.
>
> Mike C.
>
> Cleveland, OH
>
>
>
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Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
Not only is the birdseye maple beautiful but the indian head pennies are a nice
touch.
Jim B.
On Sep 8, 2009, 899PM <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com> wrote:
Here is a shot of my finished panel. The extremely figured Birdseye maple is some
that I have been holding onto for over 20 years. Making engine noises is even
more fun now.
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Your inclinometer looks similar in principal to the one used in the
Spirit of St. Louis. Very well done.
http://www.riekerinc.com/M-Inclinometer/ryan_nyp_spirit_of_st.htm
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | New Directors for EAA |
Just back in town and checking my mail.
Jack, thanks for the kind words. Yes, I have been interviewing for EAA
Board of Directors since before Sun n Fun and attended a couple of meetings
in Oshkosh. I am very excited about lending my experience to EAA and look
forward to the next three years of service. Yes, we now have a Piet Builder
on the board!
4 of the Big Piets are at the airport and are to have their inspections
and sign-offs on the 19th of this month. Whew! it's been a long time coming.
6 steel tube Piets in 6 and 1/2 years. I can't say that we have had some
test flights, but so far, hands-off. We raised the leading edge of the horiz
stab 5/16" and that really made a difference. So far, that has been the only
adjustment. Further testing will determine if that is correct.
We should have more time in the near future to post pictures and specs,
but right now the goal is to fly off the 40 hours and FLY SOMEWHERE together
as a group.
Thanks again
Barry Davis
NX973BP
PS: We did manage to get N Numbers of N971BP thru N976BP. That gives us 1
through 6 and the "BP" stands for Bernard Pietenpol and/or Big Piet. (also
976 is our EAA Chapter number)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Directors for EAA
I just got my new Sport Aviation and read that three new directors of EAA
are Homebuilders, and include Barry Davis, who formed the "Big Piet"
builder's group. Way to go Barry! We actually have a Pietenpol builder on
the EAA Board of Directors. Maybe my letter to Tom Poberezny after the
Pietenpols got short shrift in the Homebuilt Review at OSH did some good
(actually, I expect they had already chosen Barry at that time). I did
recommend to Poberezny that when he retires in two years, one of the
requirements for his successor should be that he/she had actually built an
airplane.
Congratulations, Barry!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Jim,
I was wondering if anyone would notice those pennies.
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| Subject: | Re: Gary Boothe's progress |
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
You have a noisy camera Chris? Or was this picture taken by your wife one of the
times you were working on the Piet?
Jim B.
On Sep 8, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote:
Not too big yet but he does like to eat. You may not have notice in the
center section picture there is a couch in the garage right now. Me and the
dog get caught sitting on it watching TV way too often. Maybe Gary WILL
catch up to me.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gary Boothe's progress
>
> Either that or Chris is groveling around on the floor.
> Just how big is this dog anyway?
>
> Clif
>
>> <eng@canadianrogers.com>
>
>> So Gary,
>> Are you just going to take that?
>> I think Chris just said you have dog's breath.
>>
>>
>> Gary
>> I thought I felt you breathing down my neck but it was just the dog.
>> Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Paint in place of varnish |
Huh?
Why would you want to use paint?
The purpose of the varnish is to seal the wood, to protect it from
humidity changes and, ultimately avoid rot or decay. Appearance has
nothing to do with it.
Aside from the fact that paint would most likely be heavier (since it
takes pigment to give it color), and may or may not provide adequate
seal (some paints "breathe"), and the fact that none of it will be seen,
there is one more reason to question the use of paint on the wood
structure. The fabric is eventually bonded to the structure (whether
using Polyfiber, or Stits, or Stewarts or whatever), so whatever is used
to seal the wood needs to be compatible with the adhesive. Who knows how
paint would stand up to the adhesive, and how well the paint's bond to
the wood will stand up? Like others have already said, varnish allows
you to visually inspect the wood, whereas paint would not.
I've seen photos of the cockpit areas painted (fairly common in the UK),
but I think the wood is first sealed with varnish, before the paint goes
on.
So, what would be your reason for wanting to use paint?
Bill C.
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Mike,
Certainly, I noticed them, too. I didn't want to draw any attention to them,
'cause that's why I carry a pocket knife....
Can't wait to see pics of the rest of your plane!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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Jim,
I was wondering if anyone would notice those pennies.
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
Plus you are adding unnecessary weight. The pigmented coating weighs much more
than the clear varnish.
Rick Schreiber
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From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: 9/9/2009 1:46:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
I would second Doug and Ben's comments. The transparency of a varnished finish
makes inspection possible.
Your rationale of liking the look of a painted framework.....well, I could understand
that in the cockpit areas where you will see it....but you are talking
about painting the structure that you cannot see.....so what does it matter what
it looks like? Once it's covered you won't see it (hopefully) for years and
years.....
Ryan
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Curious of opinions using paint in place of varnish. I like the look of painted
frame work and would like to try it. I would hope that the wood not readily exposed
to the elements, (wings, main fuselage, etc.) would be fine with just paint.
I plan on using varnish for the cockpit areas as they may see a lot more
moisture. (I like the natural wood look there.) Any issues with painting my wood
structures instead of varnish?
Thanks again.
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
I read a book about about building a VolksPlane in which
it was painted inside and out I don't see any problem with it let's see what
the others say. I plan on epoxying where UV doesn't reach.
That way a repair can be lightly sanded then glued to.
The outside will be Marine Spar varnish Z-flag Ship with max
UV block. You could go to a marine site to get your paint
but probably any good exterior primer and latex would work.
Note I havn't built a plane just in the process of doing so.
so I'm no expert just my .02 cents worth.
Russell
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Curious of opinions using paint in place of varnish. I like the look of
> painted frame work and would like to try it. I would hope that the wood not
> readily exposed to the elements, (wings, main fuselage, etc.) would be fine
> with just paint. I plan on using varnish for the cockpit areas as they may
> see a lot more moisture. (I like the natural wood look there.) Any issues
> with painting my wood structures instead of varnish?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
I also heard about a wooden plane that was kept inside torn down 30 years
later and no varnish no paint no nothing despite this, the ribs were in
good shape.
the secret is keeping wood dry, wood does not dry rot, there is no such
thing.
the reason wood rots is it's moisture content. If it gets to a certain
moisture point then it will rot, the Varnish also changes the surface of
the wood for fungal attack, the fungus have had several billion years
to perfect there attack on wood, they attach then begin to send root like
projections into the wood, varnish seals it off stoping this.
There are two different schools of thought on boat building some say
seal the boat completly in epoxy some say no just seal the hull
and spray the insides with tompson or some thing in that way it can breath.
But it's your plane the most important thing is you build it the way YOU
want
as long as it's safe.
Russell
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> I read a book about about building a VolksPlane in which
> it was painted inside and out I don't see any problem with it let's see
> what the others say. I plan on epoxying where UV doesn't reach.
> That way a repair can be lightly sanded then glued to.
> The outside will be Marine Spar varnish Z-flag Ship with max
> UV block. You could go to a marine site to get your paint
> but probably any good exterior primer and latex would work.
>
> Note I havn't built a plane just in the process of doing so.
> so I'm no expert just my .02 cents worth.
>
> Russell
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>> Curious of opinions using paint in place of varnish. I like the look of
>> painted frame work and would like to try it. I would hope that the wood not
>> readily exposed to the elements, (wings, main fuselage, etc.) would be fine
>> with just paint. I plan on using varnish for the cockpit areas as they may
>> see a lot more moisture. (I like the natural wood look there.) Any issues
>> with painting my wood structures instead of varnish?
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
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>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
I think even if you do your best to keep it dry you'll always have the
chance condensation will accumulate in fabric-covered structures. I
wouldn't think of failing to varnish anything I couldn't inspect easily and
often.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also heard about a wooden plane that was kept inside torn down 30 years
> later and no varnish no paint no nothing despite this, the ribs were in
> good shape.
> the secret is keeping wood dry, wood does not dry rot, there is no such
> thing.
> the reason wood rots is it's moisture content. If it gets to a certain
> moisture point then it will rot, the Varnish also changes the surface of
> the wood for fungal attack, the fungus have had several billion years
> to perfect there attack on wood, they attach then begin to send root like
> projections into the wood, varnish seals it off stoping this.
> There are two different schools of thought on boat building some say
> seal the boat completly in epoxy some say no just seal the hull
> and spray the insides with tompson or some thing in that way it can breath.
> But it's your plane the most important thing is you build it the way YOU
> want
> as long as it's safe.
>
> Russell
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I read a book about about building a VolksPlane in which
>> it was painted inside and out I don't see any problem with it let's see
>> what the others say. I plan on epoxying where UV doesn't reach.
>> That way a repair can be lightly sanded then glued to.
>> The outside will be Marine Spar varnish Z-flag Ship with max
>> UV block. You could go to a marine site to get your paint
>> but probably any good exterior primer and latex would work.
>>
>> Note I havn't built a plane just in the process of doing so.
>> so I'm no expert just my .02 cents worth.
>>
>> Russell
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Curious of opinions using paint in place of varnish. I like the look
>>> of painted frame work and would like to try it. I would hope that the wood
>>> not readily exposed to the elements, (wings, main fuselage, etc.) would be
>>> fine with just paint. I plan on using varnish for the cockpit areas as they
>>> may see a lot more moisture. (I like the natural wood look there.) Any
>>> issues with painting my wood structures instead of varnish?
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
All the Brits seem to paint theirs.There would be more
UV protection. Of course that shouldn't be an issue
under the fabric. :-)
I agree that staining and discolouration will be more
visible under varnish.
I'd better believe in varnish. It's too late now! :-)
Clif
Plus you are adding unnecessary weight. The pigmented coating weighs
much more than the clear varnish.
Rick Schreiber
I would second Doug and Ben's comments. The transparency of a
varnished finish makes inspection possible.
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