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1. 05:42 AM - Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine (Michael Perez)
2. 05:54 AM - Paint in place of varnish (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez)
4. 07:15 AM - Re: Traveling to the West Coast (Dave Abramson)
5. 07:18 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Ryan Mueller)
6. 08:20 AM - M.E.R.F.I. this saturday (shad bell)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? (corvairpiet)
8. 08:45 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? (Ryan Mueller)
10. 11:05 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (helspersew@aol.com)
11. 11:22 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez)
12. 11:43 AM - Aileron Hinges (steven sadler)
13. 12:01 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
14. 12:05 PM - Re: M.E.R.F.I. this Saturday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 12:25 PM - Sport pilot Flight Review question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 12:35 PM - totally non-Pietenpol related (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 12:44 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Ken Howe)
18. 12:49 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (John Hofmann)
19. 12:49 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (TOM STINEMETZE)
20. 12:50 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
21. 12:57 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Don Emch)
22. 12:57 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
23. 01:13 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Bill Church)
24. 01:13 PM - Pat Benatar didn't need no stinkin GPS..... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
25. 01:21 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
26. 01:34 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
27. 01:39 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Matt Redmond)
28. 01:39 PM - this was hilarious --nice Steve ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
29. 01:39 PM - 3G and sport pilot (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
30. 01:39 PM - Decathlon flight review (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
31. 01:42 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Matt Redmond)
32. 01:44 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (John Hofmann)
33. 01:52 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Ryan Mueller)
34. 01:52 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (John Hofmann)
35. 02:26 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (K5YAC)
36. 02:35 PM - Re: 3G and sport pilot (Jack)
37. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Matt Redmond)
38. 02:42 PM - Re: 3G and sport pilot (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
39. 03:43 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Mike Tunnicliffe)
40. 04:20 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (K5YAC)
41. 04:38 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Gary Boothe)
42. 05:28 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (steven sadler)
43. 06:15 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez)
44. 06:17 PM - Re: M.E.R.F.I. this Saturday (Kip and Beth Gardner)
45. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Robert Ray)
46. 07:47 PM - sets of Tony Bingelis books now $20 off (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
47. 07:47 PM - Five Piets at New Philadelphia Fly-In last weekend ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
48. 07:57 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
49. 08:16 PM - Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine (Robert Ray)
50. 08:16 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Dick N.)
51. 08:47 PM - Sport Aviation (Dick N.)
52. 09:16 PM - Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine (Ryan Mueller)
53. 09:16 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Tim Willis)
54. 09:42 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Ryan Mueller)
55. 09:42 PM - A better Bill Rewey story (Ryan Mueller)
56. 10:20 PM - Re: Sport Aviation (Robert Ray)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine |
Thanks Ben.- I came to the same conclusion you did as far as the braces b
eing attached so that the gussets will fit both sides. Since I will be moun
ting my fuel tank up front, that large ash piece will be put in place up fr
ont, but I believe I will move mine up from what the plans show for the mod
el A. The large plywood will be going in as well. I will have to add plywoo
d every where the larger sides need to go to make up the space from my "alr
eady on" plywood.
--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine
I initially left the inside plywood off and had to add it later.- Its bee
n a few years and I don't remember exactly why...- That piece does tie th
e upper motor mounts to the front cabane mount, and this area does get a lo
t of holes drilled through the longerons so the extra reinforcement is a go
od idea.- I put the ash piece where the plans call for it, because I was
going to use a Corvair and it was necessary for the Pietenpol Corvair motor
mount.- Now it just reinforces the firewall.- All of the various brace
s should stand tall like the longerons so they can be gusseted on both side
s
Ben Charvet
Robert Ray wrote:
> Yes I was thinking the same think? any one know since I
> have located a zero time a-65 with new pistons for 5,000
> minus the mags and carb.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net <
mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>- ---I have a few questions for building the short fuselage to use
a
>- ---Continental engine.
>- - - - - Are the large plywood "sides" needed on the inside up
front by the
>- ---top engine mount brackets if the "model A shelf" will not be
>- ---built? Can I use normal size gussets for those top engine mou
nt
>- ---brackets and some wedges?
>- - - - - The plans for the model A show the large ash cross mem
ber up front
>- ---connecting the sides at about 4.5" down from the top. Is this
>- ---heavy ash member still needed for a Continental and if so, ca
n it
>- ---be moved up closer to the top, nearer the top engine mount
>- ---brackets?- Or can a spruce piece be used up at the top same
as
>- ---what is shown for the bottom?- (The bottom piece is 3/4" X
3/4"
>- ---spruce...seems a little small.)
>- - - - - Lastly, for now,- most of the various braces are 1/2
" X 1". Do I
>- ---stand these pieces up so they are 1" tall like the longerons,
or
>- ---lay them flat- so they are 1/2" tall?
>- - - - - Thanks is advance.
>
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| Subject: | Paint in place of varnish |
Yes, I always thought the varnish was the coating of choice
simply because it has a lower viscosity and would soak into
the wood more readily than paint, thus protecting the wood
better (especially in areas that we may never get to inspect
again once the covering goes on). There is great appeal
in seeing that rich wood tone and grain and the varnish
makes it even richer and nicer, but there is also some
appeal to painting, as the Brit builders seem to prefer
when going for a semi-military look. I thought about
painting the inside of the cockpits of 41CC for that look,
but just couldn't bring myself to do away with the natural
wood.
I noticed those Indian head coins in that panel too. I'm
surprised nobody said to keep Jim away from it but we all
agreed to quit picking on him so we are doing very good on
that account.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
My thoughts were these:
-
Many wood things are painted and left outside directly exposed to sun, wind
, rain, snow, bird crap, you name it. The wood holds up for years.
-
Our wood structures are mostly covered with fabric and hangared and seldom
see constant sun, rain, snow, etc.
-
With today's latest paints, I would imagine there is a good exterior spraya
ble/brush on paint that would seal and protect wood as though it was going
to be used on an outside structure. (my next step in investigation.)
-
Most of the varnish I have seen APPLIED to aircraft has been put on so thic
k that I would think thinner paint would not weigh more at all.
-
I like to pay attention to details...having a painted structure ...even if
you only see it through inspection holes...was a cool thought to me.
-
It is easier to tell with paint where you missed while applying it.
-
HOWEVER, I am still on the fence on this and more then likely will go back
to varnish...stay tuned.
-
Thanks crew.
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| Subject: | Traveling to the West Coast |
Hi John!
I am building a piet at Santa Maria Airport! But I will not be up there on
your dates....
I work down in Orange County....... My Parents live in Nipomo! (about 10 to
15 min from Santa Maria)
There is a guy in Lompoc that Flys a piet, but I do not know his name.....
Sorry I cannot meet up to show you my plane...
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:00 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Traveling to the West Coast
Okay sports fans. I will being arriving Ontario Ca Tuesday evening the
15th then on to Nipomo, CA 16,17,18. I have no idea where that is nor does
it matter except for the obvious question.
Any Piet projects in the Nipomo Ca area to look at or check out? From what
I know at the moment its about 40 minutes out from Santa Maria. that's the
extent of my knowledge on that topic
Not sure about timing, but thought I would ask. and I may have access to
wheels not too certain about that or when.
contact off list please
John
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
>From Ron Alexander, regarding painting aircraft:
"Wooden surfaces are usually covered with fabric. They still must be
properly prepared to prevent rotting problems from moisture. Usually the
part will be dry sanded and then varnished using a two-part epoxy varnish.
Solvents used in fabric covering systems will "lift" most varnishes other
than epoxies. If you plan to paint directly over the wood itself, an epoxy
varnish must be used."
Bill made many good points as to 'why use paint?', so I won't bother
rehashing those. If you do decide to be a contrarian (hehe) and paint the
entire structure, you should probably commit to some sort of a covering
system before you apply a drop of paint to your wood. You should then build
a test panel and cover it completely, using all the various products you
intend to use to cover the entire airplane, and thoroughly inspect it to
ensure that everything is going to be compatible. Better to find out if
something is not going to work on a small panel than ruin an entire
airplane's worth of covering materials.
Or you could just varnish the structure and be done with it. :)
Ryan
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
> My thoughts were these:
>
> Many wood things are painted and left outside directly exposed to sun,
> wind, rain, snow, bird crap, you name it. The wood holds up for years.
>
> Our wood structures are mostly covered with fabric and hangared and seldom
> see constant sun, rain, snow, etc.
>
> With today's latest paints, I would imagine there is a good exterior
> sprayable/brush on paint that would seal and protect wood as though it was
> going to be used on an outside structure. (my next step in investigation.)
>
> Most of the varnish I have seen APPLIED to aircraft has been put on so
> thick that I would think thinner paint would not weigh more at all.
>
> I like to pay attention to details...having a painted structure ...even if
> you only see it through inspection holes...was a cool thought to me.
>
> It is easier to tell with paint where you missed while applying it.
>
> HOWEVER, I am still on the fence on this and more then likely will go back
> to varnish...stay tuned.
>
> Thanks crew.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | M.E.R.F.I. this saturday |
Mike C., Don E. Skipp G. Frank P. and all other Ohio area piets, are any of
you planning on going to the merfi fly-in at Grimes Field this weekend?-
I plan on flying over at 9-10am sat morning.- It would be fun to fly 2-3
piets in formation over to Grimes.- If anyone is interested let me know
by friday.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? |
Hey Shad,
Thanks for the congrats. I just signed up for Matronics. Looking at all the
posts, I should have signed up before completing the Pietenpol. I'm going to
be at the MAAC fly-in to visit some friends this weekend. Summer is running
short pretty quick. I hope things are going well. I thank you and your dad for
the time, patients, and hospitality you offered. Happy flying and hope to see
you guys at a fly-in someday soon.
Kurt :D
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KS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262418#262418
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
All of you have made valid points, this is why I ask the list.
-
My covering material of choice is going to be the Stewart's water borne lin
e and the light weight Dacron.-
-
I see the benefits of the varnish and I concede that it is the best method
to use.-
-
Oscar, I am leaning more towards the military look, so I will have some pai
nt in and around the cockpits. I love the look of wood...most of our furnit
ure at home is nicely stained and urethane wood...I plan to have a combo of
wood, paint, faux/real leather...who knows at this point. I really liked t
he Indian head coin look in the other posted pictures of a finished panel,
now I have even MORE ideas!
-
Thanks again crew.
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| Subject: | Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? |
Kurt,
Congrats on joining the list, but more importantly on building a beautiful
Piet. We'll be at the MAAC fly-in on Saturday, after a stop at Poplar Grove
on the way up to pickup our Corvair crankcase and 'rear accessory
housing'....we had them run the parts through the hot tank. We'll probably
get to Brodhead around 10ish, and we'll be there all day. Hopefully we will
run in to you. Have a safe flight up!
Ryan
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM, corvairpiet <shipmantwo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Shad,
>
> Thanks for the congrats. I just signed up for Matronics. Looking at
> all the posts, I should have signed up before completing the Pietenpol. I'm
> going to be at the MAAC fly-in to visit some friends this weekend. Summer is
> running short pretty quick. I hope things are going well. I thank you and
> your dad for the time, patients, and hospitality you offered. Happy flying
> and hope to see you guys at a fly-in someday soon.
>
> Kurt :D
>
> --------
> KS
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
Here is another cool idea I saw on Dennis Hall's Sky Scout at Brodhead. He stained
the visible interior cockpit wood with a really light colored stain to give
it an "old" sun-yellowed varnish look. This was on birtch plywood. I thought
it was neat and wished I had done it prior to varnishing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
All of you have made valid points, this is why I ask the list.
?
My covering material of choice is going to be the Stewart's water borne line and
the light weight Dacron.?
?
I see the benefits of the varnish and I concede that it is the best method to use.?
?
Oscar, I am leaning more towards the military look, so I will have some paint in
and around the cockpits. I love the look of wood...most of our furniture at
home is nicely stained and urethane wood...I plan to have a combo of wood, paint,
faux/real leather...who knows at this point. I really liked the Indian head
coin look in the other posted pictures of a finished panel, now I have even
MORE ideas!
?
Thanks again crew.
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
My cockpit area will will have some stain as well. Plane wood is nice, stai
ned wood, to me is nicer.
--- On Thu, 9/10/09, helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
From: helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
Here is another cool idea I saw on Dennis Hall's Sky Scout at Brodhead. He
stained the visible interior cockpit wood with a really light colored stain
to give it an "old" sun-yellowed varnish look. This was on birtch plywood.
I thought it was neat and wished I had done it prior to varnishing.
-
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
All of you have made valid points, this is why I ask the list.
-
My covering material of choice is going to be the Stewart's water borne lin
e and the light weight Dacron.-
-
I see the benefits of the varnish and I concede that it is the best method
to use.-
-
Oscar, I am leaning more towards the military look, so I will have some pai
nt in and around the cockpits. I love the look of wood...most of our furnit
ure at home is nicely stained and urethane wood...I plan to have a combo of
wood, paint, faux/real leather...who knows at this point. I really liked t
he Indian head coin look in the other posted pictures of a finished panel,
now I have even MORE ideas!
-
Thanks again crew.
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At the Broadhead reunion, I noticed a wide variety of aluminum hinge
sizes used for aileron hinges. Can anyone give me advice as to their
experience? I know I want to use the cast hinges rather than rolled, so I am
really interested in what hinge sizes people have used and how it worked out
for them.
Thanks,
Steve Sadler
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Steve- I don't know if you can extrapolate the width of my hinges from this
photo but I used the extruded aluminum
hinge material as well vs. the rolled because Tony Bingelis says they are t
he preffered type to use on control surfaces.
I used some aileron hinges to join my cowling halves together as well-rivet
ed to the inside of the cowling. The hinge
pin just pulls out with a pair of needle nose pliers or my teeth if I'm fee
ling mean.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | M.E.R.F.I. this Saturday |
Shad-though the weather looks to be beautiful I believe I'm staying home.
Much as I'd like to go I'd rather save the gas
money and time to fly to the Lee Bottom Flying Field event later in the mon
th.
Hope you guys that do go have fun !
Mike C.
Hey Kip-when is the New Philadelphia fly-in ? :)
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| Subject: | Sport pilot Flight Review question |
You are a private pilot who's third class medical has lapsed but continues
to
exercise flight privileges in the light sport/ sport pilot category regulat
ions.
Can this person take a flight review in a non-light sport aircraft with a C
FI ?
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| Subject: | totally non-Pietenpol related |
Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is and
what's so
special about it.
I'm about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and C
ialis commercials
and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when voters
couldn't figure
out what box to punch on ballots in Florida.
Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure.
Okay-thank you, I feel much better now.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
It's the high speed mobile phone (cellphone) network that iPhones and
other so called smartphones use. Let's us browse and run all sorts of data
hungry apps on the phones. Around here (Portland, OR) Sprint is now rolling
out a '4G' network that's much faster, so get used to a new term
--Ken
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:32:03 -0500, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: Could any of you bright gentlemen tell
me what the heck a 3G network is and what's so special about it. I'm
about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and
Cialis commercials and then second only to the overuse of the word
disenfranchised when voters couldn't figure out what box to punch on
ballots in Florida. Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure.
Okay--thank you, I feel much better now. Mike C. do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
My answer is yes, because you have been trained to a different
standard than a sport pilot only license. For instance, unlike a sport
pilot, those of us with tailwheel endorsements, while exercising our
privileges as a Sport Pilot, can fly any conventional gear aircraft
that meet the LS specifications which include Cubs, Taylorcrafts,
Pietenpols and Champs plus others. An LSA only pilot must have an
endorsement for each aircraft type. In a flight review, you will be
doing at the PP standard and not LS standard as that is your training.
Or you could come on up here, and fly my Cub for your review.
Just one idiot's opinion.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> You are a private pilot who=92s third class medical has lapsed but
> continues to
> exercise flight privileges in the light sport/ sport pilot category
> regulations.
>
> Can this person take a flight review in a non-light sport aircraft
> with a CFI ?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
Mike:
That stands for "gag me, gag me, gag me". And, of course, "gag me" for
the new 4G network.
Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> 9/10/2009 2:32 PM >>>
Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is
and whats so
special about it.
Im about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra
and Cialis commercials
and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when
voters couldnt figure
out what box to punch on ballots in Florida.
Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure.
Okaythank you, I feel much better now.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
Mike, I would like to give you closure on this issue but I am unable to tell you
what a G3 is since I feel disenfranchised when new words are used. However,
you should cheer up, I would bet that you know what both Viagra and Cialis are
used for! :+}
In Iraq, we caught a young soldier with 2000 viagra pills and a bunch of Pornography.
He was disciplined but not after we explained the dangers of those two
products when combined. His real punishment was the ribbing his squad gave him
for the last half of the tour.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
Hey Mike...
It worked for me. I guess I never thought about it. I just figured I couldn't
fly solo in the Decathalon that I did it in.
Don Emch
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
Good God Girl!
John
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| Subject: | Paint in place of varnish |
For some reason, that doesn't sound so good...
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________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
My cockpit area will will have some stain as well.
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| Subject: | Pat Benatar didn't need no stinkin GPS..... |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66aqcOsnP2E&feature=related
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride in a non LSA?"
For example, in a Cessna 172.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Sport pilot Flight Review question |
>I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride in
>a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172.
Technically I'm asking about a flight review (BFR in the old days), not a checkride
for a Sport Pilot rating but yes you've got the gist of my question -- do you need
a valid medical to get a flight review
in anything other than a Light Sport a/c.
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
This is what the FARs say. Interpret as you wish.
(c) Except as provided in paragraphs (d), (e), and (g) of this section, no
person may act as pilot in command of an aircraft unless, since the
beginning of the 24th calendar month before the month in which that pilot
acts as pilot in command, that person has=97
(1) Accomplished a flight review given in an aircraft for which that pilot
is rated by an authorized instructor and
(2) A logbook endorsed from an authorized instructor who gave the review
certifying that the person has satisfactorily completed the review.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> You are a private pilot who=92s third class medical has lapsed but
> continues to
> exercise flight privileges in the light sport/ sport pilot category
> regulations.
>
> Can this person take a flight review in a non-light sport aircraft with a
> CFI ?
>
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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| Subject: | this was hilarious --nice Steve ! |
>Mike, I would like to give you closure on this issue but I am unable to
>tell you what a G3 is since I feel disenfranchised when new words are
>used.
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| Subject: | 3G and sport pilot |
Good answers guys-thank you all.
Thanks for your offer to fly your Cub John ! I've actually taken my fli
ght review in my Pietenpol with a CFI up
front. When I hit my wake in a 360 degree turn he said "that's good enou
gh for me". (no instruments in the front so
he couldn't really tell if I lost or gained any altitude in the turn-which
is the object.
Mike C.
PS-then I had one guy one time, a lonnnnnnng time ago sign me off for a BFR
after I took him for a ride in our old
Champ. It was at an airport picnic and I was the designated pilot giving
rides as everyone else was having beer.
The ink wasn't even dry in my logbook when the CFI's wife (who had about 4
beers by then already) told me that
she now had enough nerve to go for a ride. I had done spins and loops wit
h any passenger who said they wanted
to go thru them so while we were up I asked this lady if she wanted to do a
spin and loop and she said 'absolutely-yes !"
When I landed the CFI said, "cripe sakes, the ink isn't even dry in your lo
gbook and you're already breaking FAR's."
Later he said "thank you" as I guess his wife thanked HIM later that night
for taking her to the "dumb airport picnic he
was going to."
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| Subject: | Decathlon flight review |
That's good to hear Don--excellent. Did you go see John Dye at Salem Air Park
?
That's who I went to in their Citabria, summer 2008 for my review but my medical
was enforce then.
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
>>>do you need a valid medical to get a flight review in anything other than
a Light Sport a/c.<<<
I'm going to guess 'no' (you don't need a valid medical). You aren't PIC
during your review (otherwise how could someone who hasn't had one in three
years do one legally?), so I'd think that as long as you are otherwise
qualified in the aircraft it would be okay. I mean, if you hold a
multi-engine you can take your review in a 152, right? The leap from LSA to
C172 is much smaller than that.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> >I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride in
> >a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172.
>
>
> Technically I'm asking about a flight review (BFR in the old days), not a
> checkride
> for a Sport Pilot rating but yes you've got the gist of my question -- do
> you need a valid medical to get a flight review
> in anything other than a Light Sport a/c.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
That is a different question. He does not need a Sport Pilot checkride
as he is already a Private Pilot (or so he sez). He can fly a 172 for
a flight review without the medical if a CFI is in and considered PIC.
A Sport Pilot candidate must use get the checkride in the category of
LS eligible aircraft which he is going to be operating, which leaves
the 172 out.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote:
> NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride
> in a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
Mike,
A question that has an answer related to your question:
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=8
Excerpt:
"If he is a private pilot operating as a sport pilot, the flight review can
be done in any aircraft for which he is rated. If he is =93only=94 sport pi
lot,
it will have to be conducted in an aircraft that meets the definition of a
light-sport aircraft."
Ryan
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> >I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride in
> >a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172.
>
>
> Technically I'm asking about a flight review (BFR in the old days), not a
> checkride
> for a Sport Pilot rating but yes you've got the gist of my question -- do
> you need a valid medical to get a flight review
> in anything other than a Light Sport a/c.
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
The answer is no you don't. Here it is from EAA:
"A flight review can be taken in any aircraft for which you are
rated (i.e., any single engine land airplane if you have an Airplane-
SEL category/class rating on your pilot certificate). However, without
an FAA medical certificate, you will not be authorized to act as pilot
in command (PIC) of an aircraft that does not meet the definition of a
LSA. This means the CFI will need to act as PIC during the flight
portion of the flight review. Make sure the CFI is aware of this
situation before you begin the flight review."
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> [ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>> I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot
>> checkride in
>> a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172.
>
>
> Technically I'm asking about a flight review (BFR in the old days),
> not a checkride
> for a Sport Pilot rating but yes you've got the gist of my question
> -- do you need a valid medical to get a flight review
> in anything other than a Light Sport a/c.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile Telecommunications-2000) is a high
speed standard set for mobile communications. Far more efficient than 2G series
(2.5, 2.75, etc.)... it makes much more efficient use of the wireless spectrum.
It also allows me to realize DSL type bandwidth on a USB network device
smaller than my cell phone, plugged into my PC... in my dusty hangar! Look
ma... no wires! LOL!
Yes Mike, there is a 4G set of standards in the works, which will keep or Pietenpol
info (and Jim jokes) flying around at lightning speed. In other words...
get use to hearing of the G services.
Hopefully no one will resurrect gravitas.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: 3G and sport pilot |
Mike,
You just have a way with the girls...
Jack@textors.com
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Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2009, at 15:36, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Good answers guys=94thank you all.
>
>
> Thanks for your offer to fly your Cub John ! I=99ve actually
taken
> my flight review in my Pietenpol with a CFI up
>
> front. When I hit my wake in a 360 degree turn he said =9Cthat
=99s
> good enough for me=9D. (no instruments in the front so
>
> he couldn=99t really tell if I lost or gained any altitude in
the turn
> =94which is the object.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> PS=94then I had one guy one time, a lonnnnnnng time ago sign me
off fo
> r a BFR after I took him for a ride in our old
>
> Champ. It was at an airport picnic and I was the designated pilot
> giving rides as everyone else was having beer.
>
> The ink wasn=99t even dry in my logbook when the CFI=99s
wife (who
> had about 4 beers by then already) told me that
>
> she now had enough nerve to go for a ride. I had done spins and
> loops with any passenger who said they wanted
>
> to go thru them so while we were up I asked this lady if she wanted
> to do a spin and loop and she said =98absolutely=94yes
!=9D
>
> When I landed the CFI said, =9Ccripe sakes, the ink isn=99t
even dry
> in your logbook and you=99re already breaking FAR=99s.
=9D
>
> Later he said =9Cthank you=9D as I guess his wife thanked
HIM later
> that night for taking her to the =9Cdumb airport picnic he
>
> was going to.=9D
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
>>>3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile Telecommunications-2000)
is a high speed standard set for mobile communications. Far more efficient
than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... <<<
Maybe far more efficient but that's outweighed by the lack of infrstructure
to support it. AT&T is so bogged down that they're facing a class-action
suit for failing to provide the advertised throughput on their 3G network.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> 3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile Telecommunications-2000) is
> a high speed standard set for mobile communications. Far more efficient
> than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... it makes much more efficient use of the
> wireless spectrum. It also allows me to realize DSL type bandwidth on a USB
> network device smaller than my cell phone, plugged into my PC... in my dusty
> hangar! Look ma... no wires! LOL!
>
> Yes Mike, there is a 4G set of standards in the works, which will keep or
> Pietenpol info (and Jim jokes) flying around at lightning speed. In other
> words... get use to hearing of the G services.
>
> Hopefully no one will resurrect gravitas.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262481#262481
>
>
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| Subject: | 3G and sport pilot |
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| Subject: | Re: Paint in place of varnish |
Hi, one of the reasons for sealing the timber is to stabilize it from
rapid moisture changes, another is to reduce the risk from insect
attack. Regards MikeT.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
My thoughts were these:
Many wood things are painted and left outside directly exposed
to sun, wind, rain, snow, bird crap, you name it. The wood holds up for
years.
Our wood structures are mostly covered with fabric and hangared
and seldom see constant sun, rain, snow, etc.
With today's latest paints, I would imagine there is a good
exterior sprayable/brush on paint that would seal and protect wood as
though it was going to be used on an outside structure. (my next step in
investigation.)
Most of the varnish I have seen APPLIED to aircraft has been put
on so thick that I would think thinner paint would not weigh more at
all.
I like to pay attention to details...having a painted structure
...even if you only see it through inspection holes...was a cool thought
to me.
It is easier to tell with paint where you missed while applying
it.
HOWEVER, I am still on the fence on this and more then likely
will go back to varnish...stay tuned.
Thanks crew.
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
Hell, it seems like everyone is facing a class action suit for one thing or another
in this country. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Sue somebody! Alright...
a bit of a stretch.
I'm not defending the 3G network... I just offered a brief and general description.
In my neck of the woods (fairly un-congested), I normally get pretty decent
results using my 3G stuff. Not outweighed by poor infrastructure in my case.
Then again... I've installed a proper aerial, which in it's fixed location
and normally provides a full strength and uninterrupted signal.
--------
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| Subject: | totally non-Pietenpol related |
Mike,
I feel you..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related
Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is and
what's so
special about it.
I'm about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and
Cialis commercials
and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when voters
couldn't figure
out what box to punch on ballots in Florida.
Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure.
Okay-thank you, I feel much better now.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
Mike,
Thanks for the picture. From what I can see it looks like you have the 2"
hinges (i.e. 2 x 1" halves), assuming that the height of the aileron spar i
s
about 2.5". How has this worked out for you? Any problems?
Steve
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Steve- I don=92t know if you can extrapolate the width of my hinges from
> this photo but I used the extruded aluminum
>
> hinge material as well vs. the rolled because Tony Bingelis says they are
> the preffered type to use on control surfaces.
>
>
> I used some aileron hinges to join my cowling halves together as
> well=97riveted to the inside of the cowling. The hinge
>
> pin just pulls out with a pair of needle nose pliers or my teeth if I=92m
> feeling mean.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Paint in place of varnish |
Doesn't sound good, but may be true depending on how the plane flies...
--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
For some reason, that doesn't sound so good...
-
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish
My cockpit area will will have some stain as well.-
-
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| Subject: | Re: M.E.R.F.I. this Saturday |
Hey Mike,
The New Philly fly-In was this past Sunday (kind of odd date, I
thought, being smack in the middle of the Labor Day weekend, but well
attended nonetheless). Along with a filthy gaggle of RV's, FIVE
Pietenpols showed up:
Frank Pavliga with Sky Gypsy
Don Emch
Gary bell
Skipp Gadd
And a gentleman from PA (Jim?) whom I did not know, but was a
friend of Gary's.
Put another way, that was 2 A-65's, 2 Corvairs and a Lambert.
I had bits & pieces of my project on display, which got some interest.
The Pietenpols got a place of honor right next to the main hangar,
and as always drew crowds.
It was the first time I'd seen Gary's plane, as well as the first
time I'd seen the 'new' Sky Gypsy - beautiful work on both planes!
Terry, the coordinator from the New Philly EAA Chapter was extremely
appreciative of everyone showing up. He said he will be contacting
all the pilots personally to thank them for coming, but I told him
I'd pass thanks along via the list as well.
So, thanks for showing up guys - it was good to touch base with
everyone again, and to see some new planes that looked REALLY good,
even if they did have to share the field with a bunch of filthy RV's.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> Shad=97though the weather looks to be beautiful I believe I=92m
staying
> home. Much as I=92d like to go I=92d rather save the gas
> money and time to fly to the Lee Bottom Flying Field event later in
> the month.
>
> Hope you guys that do go have fun !
>
> Mike C.
>
> Hey Kip=97when is the New Philadelphia fly-in ? J
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
I have Sprint EVDO it's pretty good,
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Matt Redmond <mdredmond@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile
> Telecommunications-2000) is a high speed standard set for mobile
> communications. Far more efficient than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... <<<
>
> Maybe far more efficient but that's outweighed by the lack of infrstructure
> to support it. AT&T is so bogged down that they're facing a class-action
> suit for failing to provide the advertised throughput on their 3G network.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> 3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile Telecommunications-2000) is
>> a high speed standard set for mobile communications. Far more efficient
>> than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... it makes much more efficient use of the
>> wireless spectrum. It also allows me to realize DSL type bandwidth on a USB
>> network device smaller than my cell phone, plugged into my PC... in my dusty
>> hangar! Look ma... no wires! LOL!
>>
>> Yes Mike, there is a 4G set of standards in the works, which will keep or
>> Pietenpol info (and Jim jokes) flying around at lightning speed. In other
>> words... get use to hearing of the G services.
>>
>> Hopefully no one will resurrect gravitas.
>>
>> --------
>> Mark - working on wings
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262481#262481
>> s List Un/Subscription,
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| Subject: | sets of Tony Bingelis books now $20 off |
Normally around $90 bucks for all four books now.....$69.99. That's a great
price for some GREAT books.
There is no way I could have built my plane and had it turn out as trouble-free
without these books and Tony's great advice. I still refer to them
from time to time when I have a question or can't recall and AN size or what kind
of cable to use around pullies...stuff like that. I saved a TON of time
and money by looking at these books before say building windshields--- he gives
you several options, ways to cut Plexi or Lexan, how to form, cold
forming, how to cut, file, burnish the edges--- and attach. When I wanted to
time my magnetos I had no idea how to time mags. Tony held my hand
and I read up on it, borrowed a timing buzz/light box and whala-- I timed my mags
perfectly, the first time and didn't have to listen to a bunch of horror
stories or old wives tales. Okay-- end of infomercial.
No compensation from EAA was provided to me for this post. (they've got enough
of my money though that's for sure:)
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| Subject: | Five Piets at New Philadelphia Fly-In last weekend ! |
GREAT report on the fly-in at New Philly Kip and for a twist on your RV comments
I actually got invited to a private RV picnic at Skypark Wadsworth, Ohio
airport last Saturday at noon ! It was 9 RV's and one Pietenpol.
I know a few of the guys and they are pretty decent. They did joke about pushing
my airplane over the edge of the runway into a big ravine so as
not to be seen by anyone passing by but then I got them back by ribbing them about
"isn't there ANY part of an RV with fabric covering ??? What is WRONG
with you guys--- even P-51 Mustangs and DC-3's have some fabric covered control
surfaces !" They liked that.
Mike C.
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Thanks for the picture. From what I can see it looks like you have the 2" hinges
(i.e. 2 x 1" halves), assuming that the height of the aileron spar is about
2.5". How has this worked out for you? Any problems?
Steve-- that sounds about right on your size estimate for my hinges. I couldn't
be happier with the aluminum piano hinges. They seal the gap making the ailerons
much more
effective (and much less sluggish) and I have done literally ZERO maintenance on
them in 11 years besides wiping them down when I clean the airplane. Love
em'. No regrets.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine |
I don't know I,m not at that stage but I think the installation procedure
will be different for the Continental, I plan on having a motor mount welded
up
after weight calculation's are done and that will dictate the position of
the engine.
I'm not looking at my plan but the ash members went under the Ford, This is
not
the case with the Continental motor mount with Loyd rubber mounts.
I will have a motor mount built similar to a j3 cub or T-craft and beef the
fire wall
accordingly. I will also bolt metal plating in critical areas and best of
all
is look at some one elses installation.
I have an extra plan for the Grega and will look at it tommrow and get back
to
you. I'm building the Pietenpol not the Grega but I enjoy looking at both
plans.
I also have plans for two more wooden planes and I'll look at those also
and get back to you.
Also have wondered about glue if you ever caught fire some epoxy's wouldn't
last long
so I plan on using the most heat resistant glue and reinforcment with small
bolts
and try to build some thermal insulating into this area. Also sealing cable
outlets
with fire retartant material.
Russell
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Thanks Ben. I came to the same conclusion you did as far as the braces
> being attached so that the gussets will fit both sides. Since I will be
> mounting my fuel tank up front, that large ash piece will be put in place up
> front, but I believe I will move mine up from what the plans show for the
> model A. The large plywood will be going in as well. I will have to add
> plywood every where the larger sides need to go to make up the space from my
> "already on" plywood.
>
> --- On *Wed, 9/9/09, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:12 PM
>
> bcharvet@bellsouth.net<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
> >
>
> I initially left the inside plywood off and had to add it later. Its been
> a few years and I don't remember exactly why... That piece does tie the
> upper motor mounts to the front cabane mount, and this area does get a lot
> of holes drilled through the longerons so the extra reinforcement is a good
> idea. I put the ash piece where the plans call for it, because I was going
> to use a Corvair and it was necessary for the Pietenpol Corvair motor
> mount. Now it just reinforces the firewall. All of the various braces
> should stand tall like the longerons so they can be gusseted on both sides
>
> Ben Charvet
>
> Robert Ray wrote:
> > Yes I was thinking the same think? any one know since I
> > have located a zero time a-65 with new pistons for 5,000
> > minus the mags and carb.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=speedbrake@sbcglobal.net><mailto:
> speedbrake@sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have a few questions for building the short fuselage to use a
> > Continental engine.
> > Are the large plywood "sides" needed on the inside up front by
> the
> > top engine mount brackets if the "model A shelf" will not be
> > built? Can I use normal size gussets for those top engine mount
> > brackets and some wedges?
> > The plans for the model A show the large ash cross member up
> front
> > connecting the sides at about 4.5" down from the top. Is this
> > heavy ash member still needed for a Continental and if so, can it
> > be moved up closer to the top, nearer the top engine mount
> > brackets? Or can a spruce piece be used up at the top same as
> > what is shown for the bottom? (The bottom piece is 3/4" X 3/4"
> > spruce...seems a little small.)
> > Lastly, for now, most of the various braces are 1/2" X 1". Do I
> > stand these pieces up so they are 1" tall like the longerons, or
> > lay them flat so they are 1/2" tall?
> > Thanks is advance.
> >
> > *
> >
> > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> > ttp://forums.matronics.com
> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question |
Mike
I hope the answer is yes, because that's what I did. I took my
bi-annual in a 172, with CFI. He said it was legal.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question
You are a private pilot who's third class medical has lapsed but
continues to
exercise flight privileges in the light sport/ sport pilot category
regulations.
Can this person take a flight review in a non-light sport aircraft
with a CFI ?
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I received my copy of Sport Aviation today. I scanned it closely, but
didn't read every article. There wasn't one mention or pic of the Piet
although there was a recap of OSH. I was disappointed after the build
up from EAA and I'll chose to say no more on that.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine |
First off, the supplemental plans for the Piet include the drawing for the
small Continental engine mount. Instead of having something welded similar
to some other airplane, you can just get those plans and have something
welded up similar to what your airplane needs.
In addition, if you build the mount to the Piet plans there is no need to
beef up the firewall or add weight with metal plating. The mount can attach
to the fuselage with the fittings called for in the plans....no weight need
be borne directly by the firewall. Instead of consulting the Grega, why not
go back and give the Piet plans a little more eyeball time, and if you don't
have the supplemental plans (and plan on using a Continental) it may be a
good idea to order those. Also, please note Mike's post earlier about the
discount on the set of Bingelis books. A tremendous resource if you are
building your own airplane; I would second his recommendation. Have a good
night,
Ryan
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know I,m not at that stage but I think the installation procedure
> will be different for the Continental, I plan on having a motor mount
> welded up
> after weight calculation's are done and that will dictate the position of
> the engine.
> I'm not looking at my plan but the ash members went under the Ford, This is
> not
> the case with the Continental motor mount with Loyd rubber mounts.
> I will have a motor mount built similar to a j3 cub or T-craft and beef the
> fire wall
> accordingly. I will also bolt metal plating in critical areas and best of
> all
> is look at some one elses installation.
> I have an extra plan for the Grega and will look at it tommrow and get back
> to
> you. I'm building the Pietenpol not the Grega but I enjoy looking at both
> plans.
> I also have plans for two more wooden planes and I'll look at those also
> and get back to you.
> Also have wondered about glue if you ever caught fire some epoxy's wouldn't
> last long
> so I plan on using the most heat resistant glue and reinforcment with small
> bolts
> and try to build some thermal insulating into this area. Also sealing cable
> outlets
> with fire retartant material.
>
> Russell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
Mike,
Thanks for providing CLOSURE for me for my 3G issues, and helping me deal with
my libidinal inadaquecies, with "Vitamin V," etc. ;)
Re cialis, I have never understood the appeal of a guy and gal getting in two separate
but adjacent antique clawfoot bathtubs, apparently unplumbed, out on a
beach or clifftop. It's not romantic- it's stupid. My problem-solving minds
screams, "Who heats the water, who keeps it hot, and what happens next?" Hey,
those tubs look narrow, mind you, and very uncomfortable for two!!! No wonder
they are just holding hands across the tubs.
On a more serious note, AT&T's network is apparently performing porly, as stated.
AT&T is spending something like $18B this year to expand its wireless networks'
capacities. AT&T is an exclusive on the very hot Ipod, as if its wireless
network did not have enough traffic already. Ipod users multiply like rabbits
9is Viagra involved)?
Moreover, the Ipod users' big files, videos, etc., and extensive holding times,
as the users do data-- PC type stuff-- on their phones, is simply killing those
networks. There is not enough bandwidth. So AT&T has to create more cells,
smaller cells, and create off-net proprietary landline networks to carry some
of the load, from tower to tower off-net, etc. I predict that whatever they
do will not be enough, as the 80:20 rule or worse applies-- likely 10-15 % of
the users account for 80% or more of the usage. And the apps continually get
more visual and data-centric.
Re "3G," generally each generation uses better digital compression to squeeze
more digital data on the same analog RF bandwidth, but it takes a while to move
from 2G to 3G to 4G. In part this is because STANDARDS are involved, so that
all the vendors, components, systems and networks, and their network operating
systems and operating support systems can interoperate. New standards are
not straightforward. Vendors who are ahead try to game the standards in their
favor, and those behind try to stall developments while they catch up, or just
trip up their competitors. The network providers try to make sure it all really
works, smoking out the vaporware, and make sure they can afford and manage
the changes. All the players in the standards game lie worse than politicians,
too.
I did not mean for this to get too serious. I am afraid that my post has used
so much bandwidth that I may have DISENFRANCHISED someone who wished to talk about
gussets or latex. Was that latex paint... or did it relate to safe use of
cialis?
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Sep 10, 2009 2:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related
Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is and whats
so
special about it.
Im about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and Cialis
commercials
and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when voters couldnt
figure
out what box to punch on ballots in Florida.
Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure.
Okaythank you, I feel much better now.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: totally non-Pietenpol related |
Tim,
I wish I could have CLOSURE on my 3G issues. I believe throughout your post
you mean IPhone instead of IPod, so I will assume that in this response.
AT&T service, 3G or not, in the city of Chicago is absolutely horrendous. I
understand that they are investing tremendous money in their infrastructure,
and that the smartphone users are burdening the system......well, ya know
what? Don't provide that type of equipment and advertise it's capabilities
if you can't deliver. They say they are at the mercy of the
consumer.....no...they decided that providing such technology would make
them a buttload of money (which it is), and now they whine because everyone
uses their equipment *to do what it is supposed to do* far too much.
While I do agree that part of the delay in deploying new technology in the
cellular world is due to the need for a standard, I think a far greater part
of the delay comes from the reluctance of the providers to really spend
money to upgrade their services and networks. We like to think that we have
some of the best tech in the world, but we are in the stone age when it
comes to some of the cellular networks services, capabilities, and value
that you can get in many many countries around the world. Many developed
nations look at our mobile device tech look at what we have and laugh,
because they had that years ago. Our cell networks are also pathetic
compared to other countries. Don't get me started on how slow our wired
internet access is, and how much more we pay than most any other nations for
far slower speeds....
Ryan
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>wrote:
> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for providing CLOSURE for me for my 3G issues, and helping me deal
> with my libidinal inadaquecies, with "Vitamin V," etc. ;)
>
> Re cialis, I have never understood the appeal of a guy and gal getting in
> two separate but adjacent antique clawfoot bathtubs, apparently unplumbed,
> out on a beach or clifftop. It's not romantic- it's stupid. My
> problem-solving minds screams, "Who heats the water, who keeps it hot, and
> what happens next?" Hey, those tubs look narrow, mind you, and very
> uncomfortable for two!!! No wonder they are just holding hands across the
> tubs.
>
> On a more serious note, AT&T's network is apparently performing porly, as
> stated. AT&T is spending something like $18B this year to expand its
> wireless networks' capacities. AT&T is an exclusive on the very hot Ipod,
> as if its wireless network did not have enough traffic already. Ipod users
> multiply like rabbits 9is Viagra involved)?
>
> Moreover, the Ipod users' big files, videos, etc., and extensive holding
> times, as the users do data-- PC type stuff-- on their phones, is simply
> killing those networks. There is not enough bandwidth. So AT&T has to
> create more cells, smaller cells, and create off-net proprietary landline
> networks to carry some of the load, from tower to tower off-net, etc. I
> predict that whatever they do will not be enough, as the 80:20 rule or worse
> applies-- likely 10-15 % of the users account for 80% or more of the usage.
> And the apps continually get more visual and data-centric.
>
> Re "3G," generally each generation uses better digital compression to
> squeeze more digital data on the same analog RF bandwidth, but it takes a
> while to move from 2G to 3G to 4G. In part this is because STANDARDS are
> involved, so that all the vendors, components, systems and networks, and
> their network operating systems and operating support systems can
> interoperate. New standards are not straightforward. Vendors who are ahead
> try to game the standards in their favor, and those behind try to stall
> developments while they catch up, or just trip up their competitors. The
> network providers try to make sure it all really works, smoking out the
> vaporware, and make sure they can afford and manage the changes. All the
> players in the standards game lie worse than politicians, too.
>
> I did not mean for this to get too serious. I am afraid that my post has
> used so much bandwidth that I may have DISENFRANCHISED someone who wished to
> talk about gussets or latex. Was that latex paint... or did it relate to
> safe use of cialis?
>
> Tim in central TX
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | A better Bill Rewey story |
All,
I ran across a news story from Channel 3000, which is apparently a southern
WI news website. Anywho, they had a pretty decent story about Bill's
incident. Bill's interviewd too.:
http://www.channel3000.com/news/20561747/detail.html
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation |
If you go to EAA web site and search on Pietenpols you'll find a bunch
and I do mean a bunch of sport aviators and experimenters with great
articles on Pietenpols, you can order these if they have them in stock.
I think the first one was in the fifty's. Also Time magazine did an article
in 1995 on the Pietenpol or was 1996 oh well.
Russell
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Dick N. <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> I received my copy of Sport Aviation today. I scanned it closely, but
> didn't read every article. There wasn't one mention or pic of the Piet
> although there was a recap of OSH. I was disappointed after the build up
> from EAA and I'll chose to say no more on that.
> Dick N.
>
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>
> *
>
>
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