---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/10/09: 56 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:42 AM - Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine (Michael Perez) 2. 05:54 AM - Paint in place of varnish (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez) 4. 07:15 AM - Re: Traveling to the West Coast (Dave Abramson) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Ryan Mueller) 6. 08:20 AM - M.E.R.F.I. this saturday (shad bell) 7. 08:32 AM - Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? (corvairpiet) 8. 08:45 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez) 9. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? (Ryan Mueller) 10. 11:05 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 11:22 AM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez) 12. 11:43 AM - Aileron Hinges (steven sadler) 13. 12:01 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 14. 12:05 PM - Re: M.E.R.F.I. this Saturday (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 15. 12:25 PM - Sport pilot Flight Review question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 16. 12:35 PM - totally non-Pietenpol related (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 17. 12:44 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Ken Howe) 18. 12:49 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (John Hofmann) 19. 12:49 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (TOM STINEMETZE) 20. 12:50 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 21. 12:57 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Don Emch) 22. 12:57 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 23. 01:13 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Bill Church) 24. 01:13 PM - Pat Benatar didn't need no stinkin GPS..... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 25. 01:21 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 26. 01:34 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 27. 01:39 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Matt Redmond) 28. 01:39 PM - this was hilarious --nice Steve ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 29. 01:39 PM - 3G and sport pilot (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 30. 01:39 PM - Decathlon flight review (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 31. 01:42 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Matt Redmond) 32. 01:44 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (John Hofmann) 33. 01:52 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Ryan Mueller) 34. 01:52 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (John Hofmann) 35. 02:26 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (K5YAC) 36. 02:35 PM - Re: 3G and sport pilot (Jack) 37. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Matt Redmond) 38. 02:42 PM - Re: 3G and sport pilot (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 39. 03:43 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Mike Tunnicliffe) 40. 04:20 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (K5YAC) 41. 04:38 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Gary Boothe) 42. 05:28 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (steven sadler) 43. 06:15 PM - Re: Paint in place of varnish (Michael Perez) 44. 06:17 PM - Re: M.E.R.F.I. this Saturday (Kip and Beth Gardner) 45. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Robert Ray) 46. 07:47 PM - sets of Tony Bingelis books now $20 off (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 47. 07:47 PM - Five Piets at New Philadelphia Fly-In last weekend ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 48. 07:57 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 49. 08:16 PM - Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine (Robert Ray) 50. 08:16 PM - Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question (Dick N.) 51. 08:47 PM - Sport Aviation (Dick N.) 52. 09:16 PM - Re: Fuselage building for Continental engine (Ryan Mueller) 53. 09:16 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Tim Willis) 54. 09:42 PM - Re: totally non-Pietenpol related (Ryan Mueller) 55. 09:42 PM - A better Bill Rewey story (Ryan Mueller) 56. 10:20 PM - Re: Sport Aviation (Robert Ray) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:54 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine Thanks Ben.- I came to the same conclusion you did as far as the braces b eing attached so that the gussets will fit both sides. Since I will be moun ting my fuel tank up front, that large ash piece will be put in place up fr ont, but I believe I will move mine up from what the plans show for the mod el A. The large plywood will be going in as well. I will have to add plywoo d every where the larger sides need to go to make up the space from my "alr eady on" plywood. --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Ben Charvet wrote: From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine I initially left the inside plywood off and had to add it later.- Its bee n a few years and I don't remember exactly why...- That piece does tie th e upper motor mounts to the front cabane mount, and this area does get a lo t of holes drilled through the longerons so the extra reinforcement is a go od idea.- I put the ash piece where the plans call for it, because I was going to use a Corvair and it was necessary for the Pietenpol Corvair motor mount.- Now it just reinforces the firewall.- All of the various brace s should stand tall like the longerons so they can be gusseted on both side s Ben Charvet Robert Ray wrote: > Yes I was thinking the same think? any one know since I > have located a zero time a-65 with new pistons for 5,000 > minus the mags and carb. > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Michael Perez > wrote: > >- ---I have a few questions for building the short fuselage to use a >- ---Continental engine. >- - - - - Are the large plywood "sides" needed on the inside up front by the >- ---top engine mount brackets if the "model A shelf" will not be >- ---built? Can I use normal size gussets for those top engine mou nt >- ---brackets and some wedges? >- - - - - The plans for the model A show the large ash cross mem ber up front >- ---connecting the sides at about 4.5" down from the top. Is this >- ---heavy ash member still needed for a Continental and if so, ca n it >- ---be moved up closer to the top, nearer the top engine mount >- ---brackets?- Or can a spruce piece be used up at the top same as >- ---what is shown for the bottom?- (The bottom piece is 3/4" X 3/4" >- ---spruce...seems a little small.) >- - - - - Lastly, for now,- most of the various braces are 1/2 " X 1". Do I >- ---stand these pieces up so they are 1" tall like the longerons, or >- ---lay them flat- so they are 1/2" tall? >- - - - - Thanks is advance. > >- ---* > >- ---" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List >- ---ttp://forums.matronics.com >- ---_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >- ---* > > > * > > > * le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:21 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish Yes, I always thought the varnish was the coating of choice simply because it has a lower viscosity and would soak into the wood more readily than paint, thus protecting the wood better (especially in areas that we may never get to inspect again once the covering goes on). There is great appeal in seeing that rich wood tone and grain and the varnish makes it even richer and nicer, but there is also some appeal to painting, as the Brit builders seem to prefer when going for a semi-military look. I thought about painting the inside of the cockpits of 41CC for that look, but just couldn't bring myself to do away with the natural wood. I noticed those Indian head coins in that panel too. I'm surprised nobody said to keep Jim away from it but we all agreed to quit picking on him so we are doing very good on that account. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish My thoughts were these: - Many wood things are painted and left outside directly exposed to sun, wind , rain, snow, bird crap, you name it. The wood holds up for years. - Our wood structures are mostly covered with fabric and hangared and seldom see constant sun, rain, snow, etc. - With today's latest paints, I would imagine there is a good exterior spraya ble/brush on paint that would seal and protect wood as though it was going to be used on an outside structure. (my next step in investigation.) - Most of the varnish I have seen APPLIED to aircraft has been put on so thic k that I would think thinner paint would not weigh more at all. - I like to pay attention to details...having a painted structure ...even if you only see it through inspection holes...was a cool thought to me. - It is easier to tell with paint where you missed while applying it. - HOWEVER, I am still on the fence on this and more then likely will go back to varnish...stay tuned. - Thanks crew. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:50 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Traveling to the West Coast Hi John! I am building a piet at Santa Maria Airport! But I will not be up there on your dates.... I work down in Orange County....... My Parents live in Nipomo! (about 10 to 15 min from Santa Maria) There is a guy in Lompoc that Flys a piet, but I do not know his name..... Sorry I cannot meet up to show you my plane... Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:00 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Traveling to the West Coast Okay sports fans. I will being arriving Ontario Ca Tuesday evening the 15th then on to Nipomo, CA 16,17,18. I have no idea where that is nor does it matter except for the obvious question. Any Piet projects in the Nipomo Ca area to look at or check out? From what I know at the moment its about 40 minutes out from Santa Maria. that's the extent of my knowledge on that topic Not sure about timing, but thought I would ask. and I may have access to wheels not too certain about that or when. contact off list please John Do not archive ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish From: Ryan Mueller >From Ron Alexander, regarding painting aircraft: "Wooden surfaces are usually covered with fabric. They still must be properly prepared to prevent rotting problems from moisture. Usually the part will be dry sanded and then varnished using a two-part epoxy varnish. Solvents used in fabric covering systems will "lift" most varnishes other than epoxies. If you plan to paint directly over the wood itself, an epoxy varnish must be used." Bill made many good points as to 'why use paint?', so I won't bother rehashing those. If you do decide to be a contrarian (hehe) and paint the entire structure, you should probably commit to some sort of a covering system before you apply a drop of paint to your wood. You should then build a test panel and cover it completely, using all the various products you intend to use to cover the entire airplane, and thoroughly inspect it to ensure that everything is going to be compatible. Better to find out if something is not going to work on a small panel than ruin an entire airplane's worth of covering materials. Or you could just varnish the structure and be done with it. :) Ryan On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > My thoughts were these: > > Many wood things are painted and left outside directly exposed to sun, > wind, rain, snow, bird crap, you name it. The wood holds up for years. > > Our wood structures are mostly covered with fabric and hangared and seldom > see constant sun, rain, snow, etc. > > With today's latest paints, I would imagine there is a good exterior > sprayable/brush on paint that would seal and protect wood as though it was > going to be used on an outside structure. (my next step in investigation.) > > Most of the varnish I have seen APPLIED to aircraft has been put on so > thick that I would think thinner paint would not weigh more at all. > > I like to pay attention to details...having a painted structure ...even if > you only see it through inspection holes...was a cool thought to me. > > It is easier to tell with paint where you missed while applying it. > > HOWEVER, I am still on the fence on this and more then likely will go back > to varnish...stay tuned. > > Thanks crew. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:09 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: M.E.R.F.I. this saturday Mike C., Don E. Skipp G. Frank P. and all other Ohio area piets, are any of you planning on going to the merfi fly-in at Grimes Field this weekend?- I plan on flying over at 9-10am sat morning.- It would be fun to fly 2-3 piets in formation over to Grimes.- If anyone is interested let me know by friday. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? From: "corvairpiet" Hey Shad, Thanks for the congrats. I just signed up for Matronics. Looking at all the posts, I should have signed up before completing the Pietenpol. I'm going to be at the MAAC fly-in to visit some friends this weekend. Summer is running short pretty quick. I hope things are going well. I thank you and your dad for the time, patients, and hospitality you offered. Happy flying and hope to see you guys at a fly-in someday soon. Kurt :D -------- KS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262418#262418 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:05 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish All of you have made valid points, this is why I ask the list. - My covering material of choice is going to be the Stewart's water borne lin e and the light weight Dacron.- - I see the benefits of the varnish and I concede that it is the best method to use.- - Oscar, I am leaning more towards the military look, so I will have some pai nt in and around the cockpits. I love the look of wood...most of our furnit ure at home is nicely stained and urethane wood...I plan to have a combo of wood, paint, faux/real leather...who knows at this point. I really liked t he Indian head coin look in the other posted pictures of a finished panel, now I have even MORE ideas! - Thanks again crew. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Philly Piet fly-in on sunday? From: Ryan Mueller Kurt, Congrats on joining the list, but more importantly on building a beautiful Piet. We'll be at the MAAC fly-in on Saturday, after a stop at Poplar Grove on the way up to pickup our Corvair crankcase and 'rear accessory housing'....we had them run the parts through the hot tank. We'll probably get to Brodhead around 10ish, and we'll be there all day. Hopefully we will run in to you. Have a safe flight up! Ryan On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM, corvairpiet wrote: > > Hey Shad, > > Thanks for the congrats. I just signed up for Matronics. Looking at > all the posts, I should have signed up before completing the Pietenpol. I'm > going to be at the MAAC fly-in to visit some friends this weekend. Summer is > running short pretty quick. I hope things are going well. I thank you and > your dad for the time, patients, and hospitality you offered. Happy flying > and hope to see you guys at a fly-in someday soon. > > Kurt :D > > -------- > KS > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish From: helspersew@aol.com Here is another cool idea I saw on Dennis Hall's Sky Scout at Brodhead. He stained the visible interior cockpit wood with a really light colored stain to give it an "old" sun-yellowed varnish look. This was on birtch plywood. I thought it was neat and wished I had done it prior to varnishing. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish All of you have made valid points, this is why I ask the list. ? My covering material of choice is going to be the Stewart's water borne line and the light weight Dacron.? ? I see the benefits of the varnish and I concede that it is the best method to use.? ? Oscar, I am leaning more towards the military look, so I will have some paint in and around the cockpits. I love the look of wood...most of our furniture at home is nicely stained and urethane wood...I plan to have a combo of wood, paint, faux/real leather...who knows at this point. I really liked the Indian head coin look in the other posted pictures of a finished panel, now I have even MORE ideas! ? Thanks again crew. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:46 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish My cockpit area will will have some stain as well. Plane wood is nice, stai ned wood, to me is nicer. --- On Thu, 9/10/09, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish Here is another cool idea I saw on Dennis Hall's Sky Scout at Brodhead. He stained the visible interior cockpit wood with a really light colored stain to give it an "old" sun-yellowed varnish look. This was on birtch plywood. I thought it was neat and wished I had done it prior to varnishing. - Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 10:29 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish All of you have made valid points, this is why I ask the list. - My covering material of choice is going to be the Stewart's water borne lin e and the light weight Dacron.- - I see the benefits of the varnish and I concede that it is the best method to use.- - Oscar, I am leaning more towards the military look, so I will have some pai nt in and around the cockpits. I love the look of wood...most of our furnit ure at home is nicely stained and urethane wood...I plan to have a combo of wood, paint, faux/real leather...who knows at this point. I really liked t he Indian head coin look in the other posted pictures of a finished panel, now I have even MORE ideas! - Thanks again crew. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges From: steven sadler At the Broadhead reunion, I noticed a wide variety of aluminum hinge sizes used for aileron hinges. Can anyone give me advice as to their experience? I know I want to use the cast hinges rather than rolled, so I am really interested in what hinge sizes people have used and how it worked out for them. Thanks, Steve Sadler ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:33 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Steve- I don't know if you can extrapolate the width of my hinges from this photo but I used the extruded aluminum hinge material as well vs. the rolled because Tony Bingelis says they are t he preffered type to use on control surfaces. I used some aileron hinges to join my cowling halves together as well-rivet ed to the inside of the cowling. The hinge pin just pulls out with a pair of needle nose pliers or my teeth if I'm fee ling mean. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:43 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: M.E.R.F.I. this Saturday Shad-though the weather looks to be beautiful I believe I'm staying home. Much as I'd like to go I'd rather save the gas money and time to fly to the Lee Bottom Flying Field event later in the mon th. Hope you guys that do go have fun ! Mike C. Hey Kip-when is the New Philadelphia fly-in ? :) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:35 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question You are a private pilot who's third class medical has lapsed but continues to exercise flight privileges in the light sport/ sport pilot category regulat ions. Can this person take a flight review in a non-light sport aircraft with a C FI ? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:17 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is and what's so special about it. I'm about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and C ialis commercials and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when voters couldn't figure out what box to punch on ballots in Florida. Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure. Okay-thank you, I feel much better now. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related From: Ken Howe It's the high speed mobile phone (cellphone) network that iPhones and other so called smartphones use. Let's us browse and run all sorts of data hungry apps on the phones. Around here (Portland, OR) Sprint is now rolling out a '4G' network that's much faster, so get used to a new term --Ken On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:32:03 -0500, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is and what's so special about it. I'm about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and Cialis commercials and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when voters couldn't figure out what box to punch on ballots in Florida. Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure. Okay--thank you, I feel much better now. Mike C. do not archive List Features Navigator to browse ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:48 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question My answer is yes, because you have been trained to a different standard than a sport pilot only license. For instance, unlike a sport pilot, those of us with tailwheel endorsements, while exercising our privileges as a Sport Pilot, can fly any conventional gear aircraft that meet the LS specifications which include Cubs, Taylorcrafts, Pietenpols and Champs plus others. An LSA only pilot must have an endorsement for each aircraft type. In a flight review, you will be doing at the PP standard and not LS standard as that is your training. Or you could come on up here, and fly my Cub for your review. Just one idiot's opinion. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > You are a private pilot who=92s third class medical has lapsed but > continues to > exercise flight privileges in the light sport/ sport pilot category > regulations. > > Can this person take a flight review in a non-light sport aircraft > with a CFI ? > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:54 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related Mike: That stands for "gag me, gag me, gag me". And, of course, "gag me" for the new 4G network. Stinemetze McPherson, KS do not archive this either >>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" 9/10/2009 2:32 PM >>> Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is and whats so special about it. Im about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and Cialis commercials and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when voters couldnt figure out what box to punch on ballots in Florida. Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure. Okaythank you, I feel much better now. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:50 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related Mike, I would like to give you closure on this issue but I am unable to tell you what a G3 is since I feel disenfranchised when new words are used. However, you should cheer up, I would bet that you know what both Viagra and Cialis are used for! :+} In Iraq, we caught a young soldier with 2000 viagra pills and a bunch of Pornography. He was disciplined but not after we explained the dangers of those two products when combined. His real punishment was the ribbing his squad gave him for the last half of the tour. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport pilot Flight Review question From: "Don Emch" Hey Mike... It worked for me. I guess I never thought about it. I just figured I couldn't fly solo in the Decathalon that I did it in. Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262458#262458 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:04 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related Good God Girl! John Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:05 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish From: "Bill Church" For some reason, that doesn't sound so good... do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish My cockpit area will will have some stain as well. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:05 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pat Benatar didn't need no stinkin GPS..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66aqcOsnP2E&feature=related ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:54 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride in a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:50 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question >I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride in >a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172. Technically I'm asking about a flight review (BFR in the old days), not a checkride for a Sport Pilot rating but yes you've got the gist of my question -- do you need a valid medical to get a flight review in anything other than a Light Sport a/c. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question From: Matt Redmond This is what the FARs say. Interpret as you wish. (c) Except as provided in paragraphs (d), (e), and (g) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of an aircraft unless, since the beginning of the 24th calendar month before the month in which that pilot acts as pilot in command, that person has=97 (1) Accomplished a flight review given in an aircraft for which that pilot is rated by an authorized instructor and (2) A logbook endorsed from an authorized instructor who gave the review certifying that the person has satisfactorily completed the review. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > You are a private pilot who=92s third class medical has lapsed but > continues to > exercise flight privileges in the light sport/ sport pilot category > regulations. > > Can this person take a flight review in a non-light sport aircraft with a > CFI ? > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:39 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: this was hilarious --nice Steve ! >Mike, I would like to give you closure on this issue but I am unable to >tell you what a G3 is since I feel disenfranchised when new words are >used. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:39 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3G and sport pilot Good answers guys-thank you all. Thanks for your offer to fly your Cub John ! I've actually taken my fli ght review in my Pietenpol with a CFI up front. When I hit my wake in a 360 degree turn he said "that's good enou gh for me". (no instruments in the front so he couldn't really tell if I lost or gained any altitude in the turn-which is the object. Mike C. PS-then I had one guy one time, a lonnnnnnng time ago sign me off for a BFR after I took him for a ride in our old Champ. It was at an airport picnic and I was the designated pilot giving rides as everyone else was having beer. The ink wasn't even dry in my logbook when the CFI's wife (who had about 4 beers by then already) told me that she now had enough nerve to go for a ride. I had done spins and loops wit h any passenger who said they wanted to go thru them so while we were up I asked this lady if she wanted to do a spin and loop and she said 'absolutely-yes !" When I landed the CFI said, "cripe sakes, the ink isn't even dry in your lo gbook and you're already breaking FAR's." Later he said "thank you" as I guess his wife thanked HIM later that night for taking her to the "dumb airport picnic he was going to." ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:41 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Decathlon flight review That's good to hear Don--excellent. Did you go see John Dye at Salem Air Park ? That's who I went to in their Citabria, summer 2008 for my review but my medical was enforce then. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question From: Matt Redmond >>>do you need a valid medical to get a flight review in anything other than a Light Sport a/c.<<< I'm going to guess 'no' (you don't need a valid medical). You aren't PIC during your review (otherwise how could someone who hasn't had one in three years do one legally?), so I'd think that as long as you are otherwise qualified in the aircraft it would be okay. I mean, if you hold a multi-engine you can take your review in a 152, right? The leap from LSA to C172 is much smaller than that. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Aerospace Corporation]" > > >I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride in > >a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172. > > > Technically I'm asking about a flight review (BFR in the old days), not a > checkride > for a Sport Pilot rating but yes you've got the gist of my question -- do > you need a valid medical to get a flight review > in anything other than a Light Sport a/c. > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:06 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question That is a different question. He does not need a Sport Pilot checkride as he is already a Private Pilot (or so he sez). He can fly a 172 for a flight review without the medical if a CFI is in and considered PIC. A Sport Pilot candidate must use get the checkride in the category of LS eligible aircraft which he is going to be operating, which leaves the 172 out. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote: > NGB" > > I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride > in a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question From: Ryan Mueller Mike, A question that has an answer related to your question: http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=8 Excerpt: "If he is a private pilot operating as a sport pilot, the flight review can be done in any aircraft for which he is rated. If he is =93only=94 sport pi lot, it will have to be conducted in an aircraft that meets the definition of a light-sport aircraft." Ryan On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Aerospace Corporation]" > > >I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot checkride in > >a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172. > > > Technically I'm asking about a flight review (BFR in the old days), not a > checkride > for a Sport Pilot rating but yes you've got the gist of my question -- do > you need a valid medical to get a flight review > in anything other than a Light Sport a/c. > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:39 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question The answer is no you don't. Here it is from EAA: "A flight review can be taken in any aircraft for which you are rated (i.e., any single engine land airplane if you have an Airplane- SEL category/class rating on your pilot certificate). However, without an FAA medical certificate, you will not be authorized to act as pilot in command (PIC) of an aircraft that does not meet the definition of a LSA. This means the CFI will need to act as PIC during the flight portion of the flight review. Make sure the CFI is aware of this situation before you begin the flight review." John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > [ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > >> I think Mike's question is really "Can I do my Sport Pilot >> checkride in >> a non LSA?" For example, in a Cessna 172. > > > Technically I'm asking about a flight review (BFR in the old days), > not a checkride > for a Sport Pilot rating but yes you've got the gist of my question > -- do you need a valid medical to get a flight review > in anything other than a Light Sport a/c. > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: totally non-Pietenpol related From: "K5YAC" 3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile Telecommunications-2000) is a high speed standard set for mobile communications. Far more efficient than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... it makes much more efficient use of the wireless spectrum. It also allows me to realize DSL type bandwidth on a USB network device smaller than my cell phone, plugged into my PC... in my dusty hangar! Look ma... no wires! LOL! Yes Mike, there is a 4G set of standards in the works, which will keep or Pietenpol info (and Jim jokes) flying around at lightning speed. In other words... get use to hearing of the G services. Hopefully no one will resurrect gravitas. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262481#262481 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:35 PM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3G and sport pilot Mike, You just have a way with the girls... Jack@textors.com Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2009, at 15:36, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" wrote: > Good answers guys=94thank you all. > > > Thanks for your offer to fly your Cub John ! I=99ve actually taken > my flight review in my Pietenpol with a CFI up > > front. When I hit my wake in a 360 degree turn he said =9Cthat =99s > good enough for me=9D. (no instruments in the front so > > he couldn=99t really tell if I lost or gained any altitude in the turn > =94which is the object. > > > Mike C. > > > PS=94then I had one guy one time, a lonnnnnnng time ago sign me off fo > r a BFR after I took him for a ride in our old > > Champ. It was at an airport picnic and I was the designated pilot > giving rides as everyone else was having beer. > > The ink wasn=99t even dry in my logbook when the CFI=99s wife (who > had about 4 beers by then already) told me that > > she now had enough nerve to go for a ride. I had done spins and > loops with any passenger who said they wanted > > to go thru them so while we were up I asked this lady if she wanted > to do a spin and loop and she said =98absolutely=94yes !=9D > > When I landed the CFI said, =9Ccripe sakes, the ink isn=99t even dry > in your logbook and you=99re already breaking FAR=99s. =9D > > Later he said =9Cthank you=9D as I guess his wife thanked HIM later > that night for taking her to the =9Cdumb airport picnic he > > was going to.=9D > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: totally non-Pietenpol related From: Matt Redmond >>>3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile Telecommunications-2000) is a high speed standard set for mobile communications. Far more efficient than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... <<< Maybe far more efficient but that's outweighed by the lack of infrstructure to support it. AT&T is so bogged down that they're facing a class-action suit for failing to provide the advertised throughput on their 3G network. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > 3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile Telecommunications-2000) is > a high speed standard set for mobile communications. Far more efficient > than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... it makes much more efficient use of the > wireless spectrum. It also allows me to realize DSL type bandwidth on a USB > network device smaller than my cell phone, plugged into my PC... in my dusty > hangar! Look ma... no wires! LOL! > > Yes Mike, there is a 4G set of standards in the works, which will keep or > Pietenpol info (and Jim jokes) flying around at lightning speed. In other > words... get use to hearing of the G services. > > Hopefully no one will resurrect gravitas. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262481#262481 > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:41 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3G and sport pilot TWlrZSwNCllvdSBqdXN0IGhhdmUgYSB3YXkgd2l0aCB0aGUgZ2lybHMuLi4NCkphY2tAdGV4dG9y cy5jb208bWFpbHRvOkphY2tAdGV4dG9ycy5jb20+DQoNCkkgdGhpbmsgeW914oCZcmUgcmlnaHQg SmFjayBidXQgdGhlIG9ubHkgcHJvYmxlbSBpcyB0aGF0IGFsbCBvZiB0aGVtIGFyZSA3NSBvciBv bGRlciAhDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:29 PM PST US From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish Hi, one of the reasons for sealing the timber is to stabilize it from rapid moisture changes, another is to reduce the risk from insect attack. Regards MikeT. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish My thoughts were these: Many wood things are painted and left outside directly exposed to sun, wind, rain, snow, bird crap, you name it. The wood holds up for years. Our wood structures are mostly covered with fabric and hangared and seldom see constant sun, rain, snow, etc. With today's latest paints, I would imagine there is a good exterior sprayable/brush on paint that would seal and protect wood as though it was going to be used on an outside structure. (my next step in investigation.) Most of the varnish I have seen APPLIED to aircraft has been put on so thick that I would think thinner paint would not weigh more at all. I like to pay attention to details...having a painted structure ...even if you only see it through inspection holes...was a cool thought to me. It is easier to tell with paint where you missed while applying it. HOWEVER, I am still on the fence on this and more then likely will go back to varnish...stay tuned. Thanks crew. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: totally non-Pietenpol related From: "K5YAC" Hell, it seems like everyone is facing a class action suit for one thing or another in this country. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Sue somebody! Alright... a bit of a stretch. I'm not defending the 3G network... I just offered a brief and general description. In my neck of the woods (fairly un-congested), I normally get pretty decent results using my 3G stuff. Not outweighed by poor infrastructure in my case. Then again... I've installed a proper aerial, which in it's fixed location and normally provides a full strength and uninterrupted signal. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262494#262494 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:40 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related Mike, I feel you.. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is and what's so special about it. I'm about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and Cialis commercials and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when voters couldn't figure out what box to punch on ballots in Florida. Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure. Okay-thank you, I feel much better now. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges From: steven sadler Mike, Thanks for the picture. From what I can see it looks like you have the 2" hinges (i.e. 2 x 1" halves), assuming that the height of the aileron spar i s about 2.5". How has this worked out for you? Any problems? Steve On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Steve- I don=92t know if you can extrapolate the width of my hinges from > this photo but I used the extruded aluminum > > hinge material as well vs. the rolled because Tony Bingelis says they are > the preffered type to use on control surfaces. > > > I used some aileron hinges to join my cowling halves together as > well=97riveted to the inside of the cowling. The hinge > > pin just pulls out with a pair of needle nose pliers or my teeth if I=92m > feeling mean. > > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:21 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish Doesn't sound good, but may be true depending on how the plane flies... --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Bill Church wrote: From: Bill Church Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish For some reason, that doesn't sound so good... - do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint in place of varnish My cockpit area will will have some stain as well.- - ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:52 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: M.E.R.F.I. this Saturday Hey Mike, The New Philly fly-In was this past Sunday (kind of odd date, I thought, being smack in the middle of the Labor Day weekend, but well attended nonetheless). Along with a filthy gaggle of RV's, FIVE Pietenpols showed up: Frank Pavliga with Sky Gypsy Don Emch Gary bell Skipp Gadd And a gentleman from PA (Jim?) whom I did not know, but was a friend of Gary's. Put another way, that was 2 A-65's, 2 Corvairs and a Lambert. I had bits & pieces of my project on display, which got some interest. The Pietenpols got a place of honor right next to the main hangar, and as always drew crowds. It was the first time I'd seen Gary's plane, as well as the first time I'd seen the 'new' Sky Gypsy - beautiful work on both planes! Terry, the coordinator from the New Philly EAA Chapter was extremely appreciative of everyone showing up. He said he will be contacting all the pilots personally to thank them for coming, but I told him I'd pass thanks along via the list as well. So, thanks for showing up guys - it was good to touch base with everyone again, and to see some new planes that looked REALLY good, even if they did have to share the field with a bunch of filthy RV's. Kip Gardner On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Shad=97though the weather looks to be beautiful I believe I=92m staying > home. Much as I=92d like to go I=92d rather save the gas > money and time to fly to the Lee Bottom Flying Field event later in > the month. > > Hope you guys that do go have fun ! > > Mike C. > > Hey Kip=97when is the New Philadelphia fly-in ? J > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: totally non-Pietenpol related From: Robert Ray I have Sprint EVDO it's pretty good, On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Matt Redmond wrote: > >>>3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile > Telecommunications-2000) is a high speed standard set for mobile > communications. Far more efficient than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... <<< > > Maybe far more efficient but that's outweighed by the lack of infrstructure > to support it. AT&T is so bogged down that they're facing a class-action > suit for failing to provide the advertised throughput on their 3G network. > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM, K5YAC wrote: > >> >> 3G or 3rd Generation (aka International Mobile Telecommunications-2000) is >> a high speed standard set for mobile communications. Far more efficient >> than 2G series (2.5, 2.75, etc.)... it makes much more efficient use of the >> wireless spectrum. It also allows me to realize DSL type bandwidth on a USB >> network device smaller than my cell phone, plugged into my PC... in my dusty >> hangar! Look ma... no wires! LOL! >> >> Yes Mike, there is a 4G set of standards in the works, which will keep or >> Pietenpol info (and Jim jokes) flying around at lightning speed. In other >> words... get use to hearing of the G services. >> >> Hopefully no one will resurrect gravitas. >> >> -------- >> Mark - working on wings >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262481#262481 >> s List Un/Subscription, >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ==== >> >> >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:16 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: sets of Tony Bingelis books now $20 off Normally around $90 bucks for all four books now.....$69.99. That's a great price for some GREAT books. There is no way I could have built my plane and had it turn out as trouble-free without these books and Tony's great advice. I still refer to them from time to time when I have a question or can't recall and AN size or what kind of cable to use around pullies...stuff like that. I saved a TON of time and money by looking at these books before say building windshields--- he gives you several options, ways to cut Plexi or Lexan, how to form, cold forming, how to cut, file, burnish the edges--- and attach. When I wanted to time my magnetos I had no idea how to time mags. Tony held my hand and I read up on it, borrowed a timing buzz/light box and whala-- I timed my mags perfectly, the first time and didn't have to listen to a bunch of horror stories or old wives tales. Okay-- end of infomercial. No compensation from EAA was provided to me for this post. (they've got enough of my money though that's for sure:) EAA MEMBERS SAVE $20 ON THE SET OF BINGELIS BOOKS Bingelis BooksEAA members who buy the complete set of four Tony Bingelis best-selling books save $20 off the regular, non-member price. Now available for only $69.99, the set includes: Engines - a treasure of information for all aircraft builders, restorers and mechanics; Firewall Forward - engine installation for amateur-built aircraft; Sportplane Builder - construction methods for amateur builders; and Sportplane Construction - an essential handbook for light-aircraft homebuilders. Order online or call our toll-free number, 800-564-6322. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:26 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Five Piets at New Philadelphia Fly-In last weekend ! GREAT report on the fly-in at New Philly Kip and for a twist on your RV comments I actually got invited to a private RV picnic at Skypark Wadsworth, Ohio airport last Saturday at noon ! It was 9 RV's and one Pietenpol. I know a few of the guys and they are pretty decent. They did joke about pushing my airplane over the edge of the runway into a big ravine so as not to be seen by anyone passing by but then I got them back by ribbing them about "isn't there ANY part of an RV with fabric covering ??? What is WRONG with you guys--- even P-51 Mustangs and DC-3's have some fabric covered control surfaces !" They liked that. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:19 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Thanks for the picture. From what I can see it looks like you have the 2" hinges (i.e. 2 x 1" halves), assuming that the height of the aileron spar is about 2.5". How has this worked out for you? Any problems? Steve-- that sounds about right on your size estimate for my hinges. I couldn't be happier with the aluminum piano hinges. They seal the gap making the ailerons much more effective (and much less sluggish) and I have done literally ZERO maintenance on them in 11 years besides wiping them down when I clean the airplane. Love em'. No regrets. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine From: Robert Ray I don't know I,m not at that stage but I think the installation procedure will be different for the Continental, I plan on having a motor mount welded up after weight calculation's are done and that will dictate the position of the engine. I'm not looking at my plan but the ash members went under the Ford, This is not the case with the Continental motor mount with Loyd rubber mounts. I will have a motor mount built similar to a j3 cub or T-craft and beef the fire wall accordingly. I will also bolt metal plating in critical areas and best of all is look at some one elses installation. I have an extra plan for the Grega and will look at it tommrow and get back to you. I'm building the Pietenpol not the Grega but I enjoy looking at both plans. I also have plans for two more wooden planes and I'll look at those also and get back to you. Also have wondered about glue if you ever caught fire some epoxy's wouldn't last long so I plan on using the most heat resistant glue and reinforcment with small bolts and try to build some thermal insulating into this area. Also sealing cable outlets with fire retartant material. Russell On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Thanks Ben. I came to the same conclusion you did as far as the braces > being attached so that the gussets will fit both sides. Since I will be > mounting my fuel tank up front, that large ash piece will be put in place up > front, but I believe I will move mine up from what the plans show for the > model A. The large plywood will be going in as well. I will have to add > plywood every where the larger sides need to go to make up the space from my > "already on" plywood. > > --- On *Wed, 9/9/09, Ben Charvet * wrote: > > > From: Ben Charvet > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 3:12 PM > > bcharvet@bellsouth.net > > > > I initially left the inside plywood off and had to add it later. Its been > a few years and I don't remember exactly why... That piece does tie the > upper motor mounts to the front cabane mount, and this area does get a lot > of holes drilled through the longerons so the extra reinforcement is a good > idea. I put the ash piece where the plans call for it, because I was going > to use a Corvair and it was necessary for the Pietenpol Corvair motor > mount. Now it just reinforces the firewall. All of the various braces > should stand tall like the longerons so they can be gusseted on both sides > > Ben Charvet > > Robert Ray wrote: > > Yes I was thinking the same think? any one know since I > > have located a zero time a-65 with new pistons for 5,000 > > minus the mags and carb. > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Michael Perez speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>> > wrote: > > > > I have a few questions for building the short fuselage to use a > > Continental engine. > > Are the large plywood "sides" needed on the inside up front by > the > > top engine mount brackets if the "model A shelf" will not be > > built? Can I use normal size gussets for those top engine mount > > brackets and some wedges? > > The plans for the model A show the large ash cross member up > front > > connecting the sides at about 4.5" down from the top. Is this > > heavy ash member still needed for a Continental and if so, can it > > be moved up closer to the top, nearer the top engine mount > > brackets? Or can a spruce piece be used up at the top same as > > what is shown for the bottom? (The bottom piece is 3/4" X 3/4" > > spruce...seems a little small.) > > Lastly, for now, most of the various braces are 1/2" X 1". Do I > > stand these pieces up so they are 1" tall like the longerons, or > > lay them flat so they are 1/2" tall? > > Thanks is advance. > > > > * > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > ttp://forums.matronics.com > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > * > > > > > > = - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -http://wwhttp:// > forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:25 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question Mike I hope the answer is yes, because that's what I did. I took my bi-annual in a 172, with CFI. He said it was legal. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot Flight Review question You are a private pilot who's third class medical has lapsed but continues to exercise flight privileges in the light sport/ sport pilot category regulations. Can this person take a flight review in a non-light sport aircraft with a CFI ? ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:59 PM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation I received my copy of Sport Aviation today. I scanned it closely, but didn't read every article. There wasn't one mention or pic of the Piet although there was a recap of OSH. I was disappointed after the build up from EAA and I'll chose to say no more on that. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building for Continental engine From: Ryan Mueller First off, the supplemental plans for the Piet include the drawing for the small Continental engine mount. Instead of having something welded similar to some other airplane, you can just get those plans and have something welded up similar to what your airplane needs. In addition, if you build the mount to the Piet plans there is no need to beef up the firewall or add weight with metal plating. The mount can attach to the fuselage with the fittings called for in the plans....no weight need be borne directly by the firewall. Instead of consulting the Grega, why not go back and give the Piet plans a little more eyeball time, and if you don't have the supplemental plans (and plan on using a Continental) it may be a good idea to order those. Also, please note Mike's post earlier about the discount on the set of Bingelis books. A tremendous resource if you are building your own airplane; I would second his recommendation. Have a good night, Ryan On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Robert Ray wrote: > I don't know I,m not at that stage but I think the installation procedure > will be different for the Continental, I plan on having a motor mount > welded up > after weight calculation's are done and that will dictate the position of > the engine. > I'm not looking at my plan but the ash members went under the Ford, This is > not > the case with the Continental motor mount with Loyd rubber mounts. > I will have a motor mount built similar to a j3 cub or T-craft and beef the > fire wall > accordingly. I will also bolt metal plating in critical areas and best of > all > is look at some one elses installation. > I have an extra plan for the Grega and will look at it tommrow and get back > to > you. I'm building the Pietenpol not the Grega but I enjoy looking at both > plans. > I also have plans for two more wooden planes and I'll look at those also > and get back to you. > Also have wondered about glue if you ever caught fire some epoxy's wouldn't > last long > so I plan on using the most heat resistant glue and reinforcment with small > bolts > and try to build some thermal insulating into this area. Also sealing cable > outlets > with fire retartant material. > > Russell > > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:33 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related Mike, Thanks for providing CLOSURE for me for my 3G issues, and helping me deal with my libidinal inadaquecies, with "Vitamin V," etc. ;) Re cialis, I have never understood the appeal of a guy and gal getting in two separate but adjacent antique clawfoot bathtubs, apparently unplumbed, out on a beach or clifftop. It's not romantic- it's stupid. My problem-solving minds screams, "Who heats the water, who keeps it hot, and what happens next?" Hey, those tubs look narrow, mind you, and very uncomfortable for two!!! No wonder they are just holding hands across the tubs. On a more serious note, AT&T's network is apparently performing porly, as stated. AT&T is spending something like $18B this year to expand its wireless networks' capacities. AT&T is an exclusive on the very hot Ipod, as if its wireless network did not have enough traffic already. Ipod users multiply like rabbits 9is Viagra involved)? Moreover, the Ipod users' big files, videos, etc., and extensive holding times, as the users do data-- PC type stuff-- on their phones, is simply killing those networks. There is not enough bandwidth. So AT&T has to create more cells, smaller cells, and create off-net proprietary landline networks to carry some of the load, from tower to tower off-net, etc. I predict that whatever they do will not be enough, as the 80:20 rule or worse applies-- likely 10-15 % of the users account for 80% or more of the usage. And the apps continually get more visual and data-centric. Re "3G," generally each generation uses better digital compression to squeeze more digital data on the same analog RF bandwidth, but it takes a while to move from 2G to 3G to 4G. In part this is because STANDARDS are involved, so that all the vendors, components, systems and networks, and their network operating systems and operating support systems can interoperate. New standards are not straightforward. Vendors who are ahead try to game the standards in their favor, and those behind try to stall developments while they catch up, or just trip up their competitors. The network providers try to make sure it all really works, smoking out the vaporware, and make sure they can afford and manage the changes. All the players in the standards game lie worse than politicians, too. I did not mean for this to get too serious. I am afraid that my post has used so much bandwidth that I may have DISENFRANCHISED someone who wished to talk about gussets or latex. Was that latex paint... or did it relate to safe use of cialis? Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Sent: Sep 10, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related Could any of you bright gentlemen tell me what the heck a 3G network is and whats so special about it. Im about as sick of hearing 3G all the time as I am of seeing Viagra and Cialis commercials and then second only to the overuse of the word disenfranchised when voters couldnt figure out what box to punch on ballots in Florida. Oh there is one more word that I despise. Closure. Okaythank you, I feel much better now. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally non-Pietenpol related From: Ryan Mueller Tim, I wish I could have CLOSURE on my 3G issues. I believe throughout your post you mean IPhone instead of IPod, so I will assume that in this response. AT&T service, 3G or not, in the city of Chicago is absolutely horrendous. I understand that they are investing tremendous money in their infrastructure, and that the smartphone users are burdening the system......well, ya know what? Don't provide that type of equipment and advertise it's capabilities if you can't deliver. They say they are at the mercy of the consumer.....no...they decided that providing such technology would make them a buttload of money (which it is), and now they whine because everyone uses their equipment *to do what it is supposed to do* far too much. While I do agree that part of the delay in deploying new technology in the cellular world is due to the need for a standard, I think a far greater part of the delay comes from the reluctance of the providers to really spend money to upgrade their services and networks. We like to think that we have some of the best tech in the world, but we are in the stone age when it comes to some of the cellular networks services, capabilities, and value that you can get in many many countries around the world. Many developed nations look at our mobile device tech look at what we have and laugh, because they had that years ago. Our cell networks are also pathetic compared to other countries. Don't get me started on how slow our wired internet access is, and how much more we pay than most any other nations for far slower speeds.... Ryan do not archive On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Tim Willis wrote: > timothywillis@earthlink.net> > > Mike, > > Thanks for providing CLOSURE for me for my 3G issues, and helping me deal > with my libidinal inadaquecies, with "Vitamin V," etc. ;) > > Re cialis, I have never understood the appeal of a guy and gal getting in > two separate but adjacent antique clawfoot bathtubs, apparently unplumbed, > out on a beach or clifftop. It's not romantic- it's stupid. My > problem-solving minds screams, "Who heats the water, who keeps it hot, and > what happens next?" Hey, those tubs look narrow, mind you, and very > uncomfortable for two!!! No wonder they are just holding hands across the > tubs. > > On a more serious note, AT&T's network is apparently performing porly, as > stated. AT&T is spending something like $18B this year to expand its > wireless networks' capacities. AT&T is an exclusive on the very hot Ipod, > as if its wireless network did not have enough traffic already. Ipod users > multiply like rabbits 9is Viagra involved)? > > Moreover, the Ipod users' big files, videos, etc., and extensive holding > times, as the users do data-- PC type stuff-- on their phones, is simply > killing those networks. There is not enough bandwidth. So AT&T has to > create more cells, smaller cells, and create off-net proprietary landline > networks to carry some of the load, from tower to tower off-net, etc. I > predict that whatever they do will not be enough, as the 80:20 rule or worse > applies-- likely 10-15 % of the users account for 80% or more of the usage. > And the apps continually get more visual and data-centric. > > Re "3G," generally each generation uses better digital compression to > squeeze more digital data on the same analog RF bandwidth, but it takes a > while to move from 2G to 3G to 4G. In part this is because STANDARDS are > involved, so that all the vendors, components, systems and networks, and > their network operating systems and operating support systems can > interoperate. New standards are not straightforward. Vendors who are ahead > try to game the standards in their favor, and those behind try to stall > developments while they catch up, or just trip up their competitors. The > network providers try to make sure it all really works, smoking out the > vaporware, and make sure they can afford and manage the changes. All the > players in the standards game lie worse than politicians, too. > > I did not mean for this to get too serious. I am afraid that my post has > used so much bandwidth that I may have DISENFRANCHISED someone who wished to > talk about gussets or latex. Was that latex paint... or did it relate to > safe use of cialis? > > Tim in central TX > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A better Bill Rewey story From: Ryan Mueller All, I ran across a news story from Channel 3000, which is apparently a southern WI news website. Anywho, they had a pretty decent story about Bill's incident. Bill's interviewd too.: http://www.channel3000.com/news/20561747/detail.html ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport Aviation From: Robert Ray If you go to EAA web site and search on Pietenpols you'll find a bunch and I do mean a bunch of sport aviators and experimenters with great articles on Pietenpols, you can order these if they have them in stock. I think the first one was in the fifty's. Also Time magazine did an article in 1995 on the Pietenpol or was 1996 oh well. Russell On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Dick N. wrote: > I received my copy of Sport Aviation today. I scanned it closely, but > didn't read every article. There wasn't one mention or pic of the Piet > although there was a recap of OSH. I was disappointed after the build up > from EAA and I'll chose to say no more on that. > Dick N. > > * > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.