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1. 04:31 AM - aluminum fuel tank costs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
2. 05:33 AM - Re: Jim Markle alum welding (Jim Markle)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: aluminum fuel tank costs (Jim Markle)
4. 05:40 AM - Mechanical Heel Brakes (Richard Carden)
5. 05:41 AM - Re: humped center section (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:16 AM - Re: Mechanical Heel Brakes (Jerry Dotson)
7. 06:16 AM - Hales Landing Picnic (Skip Gadd)
8. 06:18 AM - Re: Mechanical Heel Brakes (Gary Boothe)
9. 06:19 AM - Interesting picture (Bill Church)
10. 06:25 AM - Lower engine mount brackets (Michael Perez)
11. 06:49 AM - New Shirts and Stuff Available (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 07:17 AM - Re: Ryan and Jess Mueller, famous radio subjects and Piet builders (Ryan Mueller)
13. 07:54 AM - Re: Interesting picture (Jack Phillips)
14. 08:03 AM - Re: Interesting picture (Bill Church)
15. 08:59 AM - Corvair flyers experience needed. (skellytown flyer)
16. 09:44 AM - Re: Interesting picture (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
17. 09:51 AM - EZ Turn Fuel Lube available from Wicks and Chief Aircraft (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
18. 11:09 AM - Re: Corvair flyers experience needed. (hvandervoo@aol.com)
19. 12:17 PM - EAA magazine - Sky Scout (OCR-ed) (ivan.todorovic)
20. 01:28 PM - No RPM drop on mag check?? (Dan Yocum)
21. 02:46 PM - Re: Interesting picture (Gary Boothe)
22. 02:54 PM - No RPM drop on mag check?? (Oscar Zuniga)
23. 03:20 PM - love my Pietenpol (Oscar Zuniga)
24. 04:25 PM - Re: love my Pietenpol (Doug Dever)
25. 04:46 PM - Re: Interesting picture (Lagowski Morrow)
26. 06:22 PM - Re: Dinner with Jim Markle (H RULE)
27. 06:41 PM - Re: Interesting picture (Robert Ray)
28. 07:21 PM - Re: Interesting picture (Kip and Beth Gardner)
29. 07:21 PM - Re: Dinner with Jim Markle (Jim Markle)
30. 08:09 PM - Re: Interesting picture (Gary Boothe)
31. 08:52 PM - Re: humped center section (Clif Dawson)
32. 09:53 PM - Re: Interesting picture (Clif Dawson)
33. 10:51 PM - Re: Vertical offset (jorge lizarraga)
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| Subject: | aluminum fuel tank costs |
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Markle alum welding |
Thank you Dan,
I'll get some pics of the whole thing shortly. But I'm telling you right now there
won't be any close ups! Well, maybe a couple. Some of those areas I had
to reweld because of leaks...well, they aren't pretty! :-)
The thing I do love about welding though is how easy it is to see where I started
and where I ended with the last weld. Amazing how the weld quality changes
from one end of the part to that last bead for a beginner like me!
But it's all good..
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sep 14, 2009 10:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle alum welding
Jim,
Beautiful welds!! Lets see some pics of the whole tank!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum fuel tank costs |
Thanks Mike!
Well, this won't happen overnight but it's nice to know if it's even worth the
effort or not. Could very well be.....
This welding stuff has been one of the most enjoyable parts of the process!
Next on my list....a Simitar Prop. I'm having a bit of a struggle NOT starting
that phase immediately. But I have a prop for my Model A so a hand made prop
needs to wait....but oh how I want to get started on that!!!
Hopefully the weld fittings will be there when I get home this weekend....so I
can put the finishing touches on this thing!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Sep 15, 2009 7:29 AM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum fuel tank costs
>
>A custom built aluminum fuel tank can cost upwards of $600 Jim Markle so don't
>be shy about asking such for one---especially if it is a special shape like the
one
>I asked for-----cardboard mockup to welder.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
>(I supplied filler neck boss fitting and drain boss fitting/flange from Wicks,
the welder did the rest)
>
>
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| Subject: | Mechanical Heel Brakes |
I've been trying, without success, to locate photographs, drawing,
sketches, detailed descriptions, etc., of how to configure/rig/
install mechanical heel brakes. i'd appreciate some resource leads.
Many thanks, Dick Carden
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| Subject: | humped center section |
Cliff,
I like the idea of no cable linkage!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down=85)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: humped center section
I've now got four layers of fibreglass on the
plug bottom half ( vinyl ester resin ) and am
hoping to do the top this weekend if the weather
holds.
This tank should hold 22 gallons. All except a
few ounces useable up to 15=B0 nose down
and any angle nose up, except maybe in a
hammerhead. :-)
I've also attached a pic of my throttle linkage
and left side exhaust manifold.
Sometime I'll get around to making another
couple of pages on my website. Right now
too much to do working on plane and getting
some flutes done. I don't make flutes then I
don't get to sell them, do I?
Clif
"It is not death that a man should fear,
but he should fear never beginning to live."
~ Marcus Aurelius
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church <mailto:eng@canadianrogers.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: humped center section
Or maybe it was Clif Dawson's:
http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol_Page_6.html
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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- Release Date: 09/14/09 17:52:00
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| Subject: | Re: Mechanical Heel Brakes |
This is about as simple as it gets.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/G-BUCO%20Pictures/Rudder_pedals.JPG
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Hales Landing Picnic |
All Ohio valley Piet builders and flyers,
This Saturday Sept 19 is the Hales Landing fall picnic/flyin. We have 6
Piets on the filed, 3 should be on the line, one flying and 2 in the taxi
test stage. There is also 3 more Piet projects on the field.
Any Piets that fly in, lunch is on me.
We are 3000' grass about 12 miles south of Parkersburg WV. identifier 2wv3.
Write me off line for more information.
Skip
skipgadd@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Mechanical Heel Brakes |
Richard,
Here's a couple pictures of how I did mine...not flight tested. Contact me
off list if you want more detail...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Carden
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mechanical Heel Brakes
I've been trying, without success, to locate photographs, drawing,
sketches, detailed descriptions, etc., of how to configure/rig/
install mechanical heel brakes. i'd appreciate some resource leads.
Many thanks, Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Interesting picture |
I was at an aviation event on the weekend, and there were a couple of
Piets there, and one of them had an interesting encounter on the way to
the event. Apparently, at about 2400 ft altitude, a bird hit the plane
(from the front). It struck one of the cabanes, and left a calling card
behind. Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Lower engine mount brackets |
I see on the plans that the- lower engine brackets at the firewall have t
wo ears that bend around to the front over the firewall. What purpose do th
ese serve? Is it a means to help prevent the fitting from rocking?
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| Subject: | New Shirts and Stuff Available |
I absolutely, positively had to have one of the "Smell My
Dairy Air" sigg bottles! That has to be the niftiest item
so far. My wife willl choke me, of course, because she has
been saying that people who spend $20-$30 for a Sigg aluminum
bottle are not very smart when you can get an inexpensive
knock-off at Target for under $10 but we all know about the
Sigg quality and who can argue with the beautiful artwork
on the "Dairy Air" item?
Sweet! Mine is on its way to Texas...! And Jim, if you're
reading this, I didn't get the picture of your fuel tank
welding and it didn't seem to be on the forum site either.
Can you please email me the attachment directly?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess Mueller, famous radio subjects and |
Piet builders
Haha! Yep, that was Jess. We were driving back to Elgin on Saturday night
after leaving Brodhead, listening to 'GN. One of the weekenders was on, and
the discussion turned to something about men and women, dating, etc. Not the
most interesting topic, but there wasn't much else on. A number of cranks
called in saying how the women they date never pay for anything, or
something like that. Jess took offense at this, as she always offered to pay
half when we were dating; so she decided to call in. I had to turn the radio
off in the car since she was on the air, so I only heard her half of the
conversation. I don't know what prompted it, but she mentioned we were
building a Pietenpol in the city and that we were driving back from the
fly-in up at Brodhead. 38 states, Canada, and the internets got to hear it.
So that's the story on that. :P
Ryan
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:38 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Hey Ryan,
>
> I called my parents tonight on my way to the EAA meeting, and my dad
> mentioned that he was listening to WGN radio (Chicago) the other night and
> they were talking about a husband and wife team that was building a
> Pietenpol in their one-room apartment in the city. I told my dad there could
> only be one of those in this world, and that I knew those people. I guess it
> was also mentioned that they (you) were at Brodhead over the weekend. What's
> the story on this???
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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| Subject: | Interesting picture |
".Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!" To say nothing of
what the bird thought of it!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
I was at an aviation event on the weekend, and there were a couple of Piets
there, and one of them had an interesting encounter on the way to the event.
Apparently, at about 2400 ft altitude, a bird hit the plane (from the
front). It struck one of the cabanes, and left a calling card behind. Must
have been a real fright for the front passenger!
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Interesting picture |
And imagine if you were standing on the ground near where the rest of
the bird went. That would be a bit of a surprise, too. (but not as bad
as the bird's)
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
"...Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!" To say
nothing of what the bird thought of it!
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| Subject: | Corvair flyers experience needed. |
my Corvair engine as I received it from DJ has a 1/4" pipe thread opening in the
side of the filler neck for crankcase ventilation- are any of you flying with
that small of a vent and do you think it is enough? I 'm trying to get a cowling
mocked up and trying to get an idea if anything needs to change up there.
also been wondering if you run a coil switcher like this one has. if you have
had any problems switching the coils over-never used one and wondering if momentarily
having both on might cause some type of damage -can't see how it would
but switching one off before turning the other on might cause a backfire.? Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting picture |
Did the bird the the Piet from the front or rear?
:-}
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
> I was at an aviation event on the weekend, and there were a couple of
> Piets there, and one of them had an interesting encounter on the
> way to
> the event. Apparently, at about 2400 ft altitude, a bird hit the plane
> (from the front). It struck one of the cabanes, and left a calling
> cardbehind. Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!
>
> Bill C.
>
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| Subject: | EZ Turn Fuel Lube available from Wicks and Chief Aircraft |
This is the stuff I used on ALL fuel line threaded fittings---nary a leak e
ver. The old guys
at the airport told me to use this and nothing else and they were right.
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=11812/in
dex.html
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Chemical/FuelLubricant.html
And for those who don't know what a finger strainer is (see Bingelis books-
fuel systems) they look like this-they keep the golf balls and beer cans fr
om your fuel tank from going into your fuel delivery hose/tubing. (then
there is the gascolator screen.....then there is another screen in your ca
rb-hopefully)
You take yer chances.
Mike C.
[X]
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair flyers experience needed. |
1/4" is enough for return line from your air/oil separator and in the right location
Ventilation line should be around 5/8"
BR
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:58 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair flyers experience needed.
my Corvair engine as I received it from DJ has a 1/4" pipe thread opening in the
side of the filler neck for crankcase ventilation- are any of you flying with
that small of a vent and do you think it is enough? I 'm trying to get a cowling
mocked up and trying to get an idea if anything needs to change up there. also
been wondering if you run a coil switcher like this one has. if you have had any
problems switching the coils over-never used one and wondering if momentarily
having both on might cause some type of damage -can't see how it would but
switching one off before turning the other on might cause a backfire.? Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263151#263151
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| Subject: | EAA magazine - Sky Scout (OCR-ed) |
Hi,
I've OCR-ed this text today, and it occurred to me that it would be nice to contribute
it on this mailing list as my first message. Share and enjoy.
Regards,
Ivan Todorovic
=== [begin]
EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) Sport Aviation magazine, issues: FEBRUARY
- MARCH - APRIL 1958.
FAMOUS HOMEBUILTS OF THE PAST
The Pietenpol "Sky Scout"
By George Hardie, Jr.
[image: Here's the "Ski Scout" taxiing out for a flight.]
Part 1 of 3 Parts
[image: Doug Rolfe's drawing gives an idea of the "Sky Scout's" proportions. The
photo at left indicates that the radiator interfered with forward visibility
to some extent.]
Everyone attending the 1957 EAA Fly-In had an opportunity to look over three fine
examples of the famous Pietenpol "Air Camper" design, and to observe the flying
characteristics of this rugged pioneer among homebuilts. One If the ships,
owned and flown by Allen Rudolf of Juneau, Wis., was built in 1934 and is powered
by the original Model A Ford engine. It has given Allen many hours of trouble-free,
economic performance. The other two ships were powered with more modern
engines, one with a Lycoming and the other with a Franklin. Details on the
"Air Camper." design were presented in the second of this "Famous Homebuilt"
series which appeared in the May, 1956 issue of the EXPERIMENTER.
Not generally known is the fact that the designer of the "Mr Camper", B. H. Pietenpol
of Spring Valley. Minn., also designed a single-seater expressly to be
powered with a modified Model T Ford engine. This was the "Sky Scout", details
of which appeared in the 1933 Flying Manual from which we reproduce some of the
drawings with the generous permission of Mechanix Illustrated magazine. Those
not familiar with the famous Flying Manuals will understand their popularity,
even today, by noting the clarity, simplicity, and completeness of these drawings.
Certainly they set a standard which we should attempt to follow today.
Our purpose in presenting this series on these old aircraft is to acquaint our
readers with the construction details and the simple, practical approach made
by the pioneer designers. The basic problem of yesterday's homebuilder (and today's
as well) was to get Port 1 of 3 Ports into the air as cheaply as possible
and safely, Construction materials and techniques used in these aircraft have
been greatly advanced. but there is much to he learned from a study of their
design and construction. At least we must give these pioneers much credit for
accomplishing what they did with what they had. We can and should be able to
do better with today's materials and techniques.
The "Sky Scout", like Wilbur Smith's "Termite" featured in the January issue of
SPORT AVIATION, was of all-wood construction, and was very similar in design
to the earlier "Air Camper" as indicated in the silhouette comparison. n was designed
around the plentiful Model T Ford engine (converted for aircraft use)
but with a few minor changes in the design, the Model A engine could also be used.
Pietenpol claimed the "Sky Scout" to be the easiest ship to build and fly
as was possible to make it. The accompanying outline drawings would seem to bear
him out.
Construction was started with the fuselage. Quoting from Pietenpol's article in
the 1933 Flying Manual:
"The construction of the fuselage is very plainly drawn up and I don't think you
will have any trouble with it. It is made from 7/8 in. x 7/8 in. spruce, for
longerons and struts, while the sides and front are covered with 3/32 in. mahogany
plywood. The floor is made of 1/4 in. five-ply Haskelite. All gusset plates
of 1/8 in. material. Remember, all plywood must be regular aircraft grade
and waterproof."
"Use a good glue. We use Rodgers semi-waterproof and give it two good coats of
varnish. You may use regular casein glue, but be sure you know how to handle it.
It won't keep long (12 hours)."
"You will need a large bench on which to draw out and build your fuselage jig.
We use the same jig for both sides."
"Each strut is held in place by blocks which are left nailed down until both sides
are finished. Also leave the longerons a little long. and wrap some wire from
the top to the bottom longerons, twisting it tight with a nail until you have
the plywood nailed and glued on each side. When the glue is dry, you may saw
off the longerons in front."
"First lay out one side in the jig, putting in all struts and braces. When you
make one strut. make another just like it to be used on the other side so the
two will be exactly alike. Be sure to use a miter box for this work."
"Next glue and nail on all the 1/8 in. gusset plates, wire the front longerons
together so they will not spring apart and break the gusset plates."
"Now remove the side from the jig, pat the longerons, struts and braces for the
other side into the jig, and put in the gusset plates, starting from the tail
and working up to where the 3/32 in. sides start."
"Now take the side you have just finished from the jig. lay it on a piece of 3/32
in. plywood, and mark out all longerons, struts and braces by running a pencil
around them, then cut the plywood the size of the fuselage. Make two of these
- one for the right and one for the left side."
"The side of the plywood bearing the pencil marks goes on the outside, and gives
you good marks to keep your nails between."
"Now put a good layer of glue on the longerons, struts and braces as far back as
the plywood goes: lay on your plywood and get busy nailing it down with 3/4
in. x 18 gauge cement coated nails. All other gusset plates are also put on with
this size nail."
"When you have this done, wire he front of the longerons together and remove from
the jig. Now remove all the blocks from the bench so that it is smooth. Turn
the side of the fuselage over and put the gusset plates on that side; then do
the same with the first side you started."
"Now take the two sides and clamp them together. Saw off the ends of the longerons
exactly the same length. Take a tri-square and mark off all strut stations,
the place for the instrument board, and a few marks that will come in handy
to measure from."
"Now make the seat back and the front bulkhead. (These must be perfect, as the
whole job depends on them). Nail and glue them in place. You may now put in the
1/4 in. x five-plywood floor, nailing it in with 1 in. 17 gauge nails. Next
comes the top of the fuselage."
"Now pull the tail end of the longerons together, make this joint fit good, glue
and nail it good. and put in all the rest of the struts and braces. using the
center line method to get it straight. That is, make a line in the center of
each strut and make a tight string or wire pass over this line when drawn from
the center of front to center of the tail post."
"The struts are next set on the gusset plates of the sides. Then put on the turtle
back, instrument hoard, cowling, and support and the woodwork is finished
except for the seat, which you should have no trouble with."
Drawings of the control system are self-explanatory. While primitive by today's
standards, they served the purpose. Many construction techniques used would not
be acceptable today. However, the "Sky Scout" remains a practical design, basically
simple and straight forward. Next month's Part 2 in the series will give
details on the wings and tail surfaces.
FAMOUS HOMEBUILTS OF THE PAST
The Pietenpol "Sky Scout"
By George Hardie, Jr.
Part 2 of 3 Parts
Part 1 of this series on the Model T-powered Pietenpol "Sky Scout" dealt with the
construction of the fuselage and presented detailed drawings on it and the
controls system and cockpit. This month we will continue with details on the construction
of the wing and empennage.
The wing used on the "Sky Scout" was practically the same as that of the "Air Camper"
except that it was 11 in. shorter in span. Rib construction and airfoil
were exactly the same on both ships. An interesting account on how Pietenpol
evolved his airfoil section after much experimentation was included in the article
on the "Air Camper" that appeared in the May, 1956 issue of the EXPERIMENTER.
Similarity of other design features is evident upon a close comparison of
the two ships.
Quoting again from Pietenpol article in the 1933 Flying Manual. on the wing construction
of the "Sky Scout" (reprinted through the kind permission of Mechanix
Illustrated magazine):
"The wing on the 'Sky Scout' is much too strong and could be lightened a little.
It weighs about 90 lbs. complete, It was only built this heavy because all the
regular parts to build the 'Air Camper' wing were used."
"I wish to call your attention to the brace right back of the rear beam This was
changed from the plans of the 'Air Camper', and I advise all of you who have
not built up your wings to build them this way."
"After your ribs are finished. make your beams and splice them in the center. Now
mark off all places where the ribs will come. having the two beams clamped
together. A good way to do this is to mark off the places on half of the spars,
then reverse one beam and mark the other half from the first marks. You will
then know that it is right."
"Next glue in the piece of 3/32 in. or in plywood that is set beneath the gas tank,
and be sure you have this in the center and perfectly square, as the whole
wing is lined up from this center. Now put on all the ribs and glue and nail
them with two 1 in. by 17 gauge nails at each joint. On the top it will be found
necessary to put in small spruce blocks to fill up the gap. These must be
glued on both sides."
"The fittings are so clear on the plans that it would be a waste of time to say
anything about them. They are all made of regular 1025 aircraft steel and are
more than strong enough."
"Next put on all wing fittings and brace wires (we use 3/32 in. cable as it is
easier to handle, although No. 12 hard wire is OK), and line the wing up with
the wires. Do not make them too tight until you get in your compression struts
and wing tips."
"Now put on the leading edge. trailing edge, aileron beams, flop beams. and wing
tips in the order named. Line up the wing so that it is perfectly straight and
put in all the braces. Put in the 1/4 in. x 1/4 in. braces on the ailerons
and put all filler strips on the aileron hinges (which are only small strap hinges
with a new pin put in which has a cotter pin hole in its end)."
"Now place the control horns. and you are ready to cut the ailerons and center
flop from the wing. By leaving all the ribs full length and cutting the ailerons
and flop free, when finished you are sure to get a better and straighter wing.
After you have all the parts finished and sanded. you may give the whole thing
a coat of varnish."
"Put in the gas tank (5 1/2 gallon) and the wing is ready to cover You may use
any light grade of aircraft cloth for this or you may use sheeting. Tack a piece
60 in wide the full length of the wing all around the edge, bottom side first.
Give the edge a coat of dope, turn the wing aver and do the same on top."
"Now sew the cloth to the ribs in the regular manner, put on a coat of dope, then
all the tape and patches around the fittings and give the wing four extra coats
of dope (five in all). The last two coats may be colored. I advise a light
coat of paint on the wing if you wish the cloth to last a long time, although
this makes the ship harder to patch."
"Just a little warning, be sure and put the flop in the center. A lot of those
building the 'Air Camper' did not do this but put a large opening instead and
spoiled the climb of the ship. Remember that you cannot have all the features
of a high powered plane in a small Ford-powered ship and expect it to fly well,
and the flop is one of the things that makes these ships a success. The first
thing to remember in building a low-powered ship is to keep the weight down
and the efficiency up."
The sage advice expressed in that last sentence holds as true today as the day
it was written. While some of the techniques recommended in the above quotation
would be questioned by today's standards, still one must admire the practical
approach made to the problem of designing a simply constructed, economical aircraft.
Again I wish to emphasize that these drawings and details on these old
aircraft are presented for study and evaluation, rather than as a recommended
project for the homebuilder. Materials used would be in some cases unacceptable
today, but the fact that even with these handicaps these old aircraft proved
successful speaks well for the courage of these pioneer home-builders. Today
we can draw upon their experiences as a valuable guide and with the vastly superior
advantage of being able to choose our materials from a wide selection
of proven types and grades. we should be able to produce superior designs.
The tail surfaces of the "Sky Scout" follow the same general lines as those of
the "Air Camper". Wood construction was used, with covering of fabric. The drawings
clearly show all details and are self-explanatory.
Next month's concluding article will present details on the landing gear tail skid.
motor mount. and struts and fittings.
[image: Here's the "flop" mentioned by Pietenpol which increased the lift of the
wing.]
FAMOUS HOMEBUILTS OF THE PAST
[image: The "Sky Scout" gets off the ground quickly, and has a landing run of only
250 ft. Close-up below shows the Ford Model T engine installation on the Pietenpol
"Sky Scout".]
The Pietenpol "Sky Scout"
By George Hardie, Jr.
Part 3 of 3 Parts
Homebuilders of 25 years ago were as anxious to get into the air as any today.
B. H. Pietenpol of Spring Valley, Minn., provided one practical answer to this
demand with his two-seater "Air Camper". designed to he powered with a converted
Ford Model A engine, When he was flooded with requests for a design to take
the plentiful tat that time) Ford Model T engine, he came up with the "Sky Scout",
a single-seater whose construction was practically the same as the "Air
Camper".
In two previous installments we have presented detailed drawings and data on the
"Sky Scout". giving details and construction notes on the fuselage, wing and
tail surfaces. In this final installment we present details on the landing gear,
tail skid, motor mount. wing struts and fittings. This material is taken from
the 1933 Flying Manual and is reprinted with the generous permission of Mechanix
Illustrated magazine.
The landing gear on the "Sky Scout" followed the popular style of the day, using
a Vee hinged to the lower longeron of the fuselage and a shock strut running
up to a fitting on the upper longeron. Pietenpol had this to say about it in
the Flying Manual article:
"This has proven to be a very strong outfit which will stand plenty of abuse. While
it would be difficult to explain how this is built, the plans are very clear
and you should have no trouble."
"You will have to use a turning lathe and be a good welder to make the gear shown
here. You may also build the type of landing gear that is used on the 'Air
Camper'. You will find that this is much easier to make and is quite strong enough."
"While we are on the subject of the 'Air Camper' gear, we had better put on some
safety device to keep the ship from dropping to the ground if the shock cord
breaks, since it seems that everybody has trouble wrapping shock cord."
"Here is the method we use! First cut a piece of leather to fit around the bottom
of the landing gear vee and lace it on with lace leather. Now take 6 ft. of
1/2 in. shock cord and have someone hold it about half way up on the outside
of the front landing gear strut. Take the other end and pass it under the landing
gear vee. over the axle. under the vee on the inside of the first wrap, over
the axle on the outside of the first wrap and under the vee on the inside of
the last wrap until you have three wraps pulled quite tight."
"The cord should he just long enough to make a good square knot and to permit taping
of the ends. This method makes each wrap about the same 'length and you
will not have any trouble with your shock cord cutting. The landing gear should
give not over one inch with a full load in the ship, but neither should it be
any tighter."
"The tail skid comes next. This is of extremely simple construction. but it has
proved so efficient that we are now using it on all of the planes we build. Be
sure to put a small keel on the shoe or you will find your ship hard to steer
on a windy day. This keel will also help to prevent the beginner from ground
looping."
There aren't many airports left where tail skids are welcomed, so I suppose we
may regard this item as a mark of the past. But let's continue with the construction
notes:
"After you have your ship complete, that is, the motor in, tail group on, all controls
in. and are ready for the wing, make up your center struts like the drawings,
all brace wires made, then get about four extra helpers, put the wing
on the center struts and line up."
"Next have someone hold up the ends of the wing so that it will have a little dihedral,
and measure the length of the front flying struts, These should both
he exactly the same length. When these are in place, do the same with the rear
flying struts. Now make the flying or brace wires. Hook up the ailerons, safety
all turnbuckles and your ship should be ready to go."
Simple enough for the ambitious mechanic. The completed airplane certainly would
take no beauty prize, but the designer's practical approach to the problem of
providing an economical machine of simple construction was evident in every
line. Pietenpol had this to say about his "Sky Scout":
"I believe this to be the safest light plane there is, and if this design is a
start in that direction, it has all been well worth the time we have put into
it. But those of you who wish only to build so that they will have something to
fly had better build it exactly as the plans, and you will be sure of having
a ship that is very easy to handle. It is cheap to run and will land and take
off at a field where the average OX-5 job, or similar powered ship, would be
completely out of luck."
[image: Here's the way Model T was mounted on the "Sky Scout".]
The hey-day of the "Sky Scout" has long since passed, but once again small all-wood
aircraft are being built and flown. Wilbur Smith's "Termite", described in
the January issue of SPORT AVIATION, is a fine example of what can be accomplished
today. The Druine Turbulent and Turbi, the Jodel "Bebe" and "Club" and
many others indicate what can be done with wood construction. Several others,
notably a single-place folding wing craft that we will present soon, show that
designers are still seeking the simple. practical aircraft for just plain flying.
There is no way of knowing how many "Sky Scouts" were built, but there is no denying
the fact that the design work of F. H. Pietenpol, as exemplified by his
"Air Camper" and "Sky Scout" homebuilts. has left his mark on today's design thinking,
Certainly the simplicity of construction and the practical approach to
the design problems are goals that all homebuilts will always be seeking.
SPECIFICATIONS OF THE PIETENPOL "SKY SCOUT"
Top Speed..........62 mph
Cruising Speed.....55 mph
Lending Speed......35 mph
Take-off Run.......150 ft.
Landing Run........250 ft.
Initial Climb.....200 fpm
Span..........27 ft. 3 in.
Chord................5 ft.
Length........16 ft. 3 in.
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| Subject: | No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Hi all,
I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn off
the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a fantastic
1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind was calm, and I
even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet! What a great night.
Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when checking
the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as advertised, so I
don't think the mags are hot.
Googling suggests the following:
1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
3. Defective ignition switch
4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
(Bendix S-1200 series mags)
5. Open magneto capacitors.
I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific warnings
are applicable.
Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective ignition
switch.
Anyone else have any other suggestions?
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Interesting picture |
Wish that picture had not been published..here comes PETA..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
And imagine if you were standing on the ground near where the rest of the
bird went. That would be a bit of a surprise, too. (but not as bad as the
bird's)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
".Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!" To say nothing of
what the bird thought of it!
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| Subject: | No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Dan;
I'm going with defective ignition switch, or probably
more likely, improperly wired. Shouldn't be very
difficult to troubleshoot, but shut off the fuel and
ground the P-leads before you mess with it. You'll
need to pull the cowling enough to get to the mag
P-leads or at least be able to get a continuity
meter onto the leads. You'll also need someone to
move the switch while you check each one.
Obviously the "off" and "both" positions work right
so something else is funny in there.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | love my Pietenpol |
I just saw a CubCrafters "Super Sport Cub" listed on
Barnstormers, brand new, for $175,000.
For that amount of money, I could buy TEN airplanes
like 41CC and also buy 6000 gallons of avgas and all
the oil I'd need to fly those TEN Air Campers for the
1500 hours it would take to consume the 6000 gallons
of fuel.
I could fly a different Air Camper every five weeks,
put 30 hours a week on them. Of course, I'd have
to find hangar space for ten Air Campers. Or, I could
have bought 41CC and pocketed the $160,000 left over...
which is what I'm doing, I guess.
Boy, I feel lucky! I'm going straight home to tell my
wife how much money I've just saved us!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
do not archive
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| Subject: | love my Pietenpol |
Amen=2C
Granted you can't get into small remote lakes with a piet on floats. Or car
ry 4 people in comfort (comfort is a relative thing) at 130kts. Or file IF
R if you get in a pinch. But=2C for me... just to get in the air for a few
bucks. It's about as fun as it gets. BTW-Iv'e done all the other stuff..
.It's over rated except for the float part.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Rib jig done woohoo
> From: taildrags@hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: love my Pietenpol
> Date: Tue=2C 15 Sep 2009 17:11:23 -0500
>
>
>
>
> I just saw a CubCrafters "Super Sport Cub" listed on
> Barnstormers=2C brand new=2C for $175=2C000.
>
> For that amount of money=2C I could buy TEN airplanes
> like 41CC and also buy 6000 gallons of avgas and all
> the oil I'd need to fly those TEN Air Campers for the
> 1500 hours it would take to consume the 6000 gallons
> of fuel.
>
> I could fly a different Air Camper every five weeks=2C
> put 30 hours a week on them. Of course=2C I'd have
> to find hangar space for ten Air Campers. Or=2C I could
> have bought 41CC and pocketed the $160=2C000 left over...
> which is what I'm doing=2C I guess.
>
> Boy=2C I feel lucky! I'm going straight home to tell my
> wife how much money I've just saved us!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio=2C TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Just remember that PETA stands for people eating tasty animals--Jim
Lagowski
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
Wish that picture had not been published..here comes PETA..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:02 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
And imagine if you were standing on the ground near where the rest of
the bird went. That would be a bit of a surprise, too. (but not as bad
as the bird's)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:54 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
".Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!" To say
nothing of what the bird thought of it!
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
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=0A=0AI just had dinner with Jim Markle here in Ottawa Canada tonight and
he is a wonderful person.He is a real asset to this web page and a true gen
tleman in=0A>every sence of the word.It was a real pleasure to spend a coup
le of hours=0A>with him.I hope next time we have more time to go to the air
strip to see my=0A>aircraft.Have a safe flight back Jim and I look forward
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I chased a duck one time in my ultra light, the duck tried evasive action b
y
vering to the right I followed in pursuit,
then to the left and all the sudden the duck grew tired of the cat and mous
e
game, the duck tucked his wings in and fell
300 feet and continued on his way, I didn't try to follow, the duck out fle
w
me hands down or rather wings down.
Russell
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net> wrote
:
> Just remember that PETA stands for people eating tasty animals--Jim
> Lagowski
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:32 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
>
> Wish that picture had not been published=85.here comes PETA=85.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Church
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:02 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
>
>
> And imagine if you were standing on the ground near where the rest of the
> bird went. That would be a bit of a surprise, too. (but not as bad as the
> bird's)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack Phillips
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:54 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
>
> =93=85Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!=94 To say no
thing
> of what the bird thought of it!
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting picture |
Bad Hair Day for the bird - some sort of hawk or maybe a crow, I'd
guess. (I'm a biologist by training, identifying road kill is a
professional peculiarity that regularly grosses out my wife).
Kip Gardner
On Sep 15, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Robert Ray wrote:
> I chased a duck one time in my ultra light, the duck tried evasive
> action by vering to the right I followed in pursuit,
> then to the left and all the sudden the duck grew tired of the cat
> and mouse game, the duck tucked his wings in and fell
> 300 feet and continued on his way, I didn't try to follow, the duck
> out flew me hands down or rather wings down.
>
>
> Russell
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Lagowski Morrow
> <jimdeb@charter.net> wrote:
> Just remember that PETA stands for people eating tasty animals--Jim
> Lagowski
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Boothe
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:32 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
>
> Wish that picture had not been published=85.here comes PETA=85.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (15 ribs down=85)
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:02 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
>
>
> And imagine if you were standing on the ground near where the rest
> of the bird went. That would be a bit of a surprise, too. (but not
> as bad as the bird's)
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:54 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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>
> =93=85Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!=94 To say
> nothing of what the bird thought of it!
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:Dinner with Jim Markle |
Harvey, thanks for the kind words! Our visit was MY pleasure!
I get tired of the travel part of my job so getting to make a new Piet friend is
always a treat.
And this evening was no exception.
Now get those mags out of the shop so you can get back in the air! Hopefully you'll
be able to get in some flying before the weather arrives....
Thank you,
jm
From: H RULE
Sent: Sep 15, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Dinner with Jim Markle
I just had dinner with Jim Markle here in Ottawa Canada tonight and he is a wonderful
person.He is a real asset to this web page and a true gentleman inevery
sence of the word.It was a real pleasure to spend a couple of hourswith him.I
hope next time we have more time to go to the airstrip to see myaircraft.Have
a safe flight back Jim and I look forward to our next get together.
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| Subject: | Interesting picture |
Kip,
ID'ing road kill.that's a good hobby for fly-tiers!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
Bad Hair Day for the bird - some sort of hawk or maybe a crow, I'd guess.
(I'm a biologist by training, identifying road kill is a professional
peculiarity that regularly grosses out my wife).
Kip Gardner
On Sep 15, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Robert Ray wrote:
I chased a duck one time in my ultra light, the duck tried evasive action by
vering to the right I followed in pursuit,
then to the left and all the sudden the duck grew tired of the cat and mouse
game, the duck tucked his wings in and fell
300 feet and continued on his way, I didn't try to follow, the duck out flew
me hands down or rather wings down.
Russell
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net> wrote:
Just remember that PETA stands for people eating tasty animals--Jim Lagowski
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> Boothe
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
Wish that picture had not been published..here comes PETA..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
And imagine if you were standing on the ground near where the rest of the
bird went. That would be a bit of a surprise, too. (but not as bad as the
bird's)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
".Must have been a real fright for the front passenger!" To say nothing of
what the bird thought of it!
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| Subject: | Re: humped center section |
Thanks Gary. I tried cable. it was a heavy duty
marine one but no matter which position I
mounted the carb I just couldn't get it to work
smoothly. The linkage is free moving and
affords infinite adjustment.
Clif
Cliff,
I like the idea of no cable linkage!
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: Interesting picture |
http://janetw_2.tripod.com/index-2.html
Clif
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting picture
Just remember that PETA stands for people eating tasty animals--Jim
Lagowski
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical offset |
hello there in these moment I build the tail section complete allmos done a
ll parts these weekkend meen sunday i finish the find section and the fotos
i have in these moment course i senyou and hope work well for youseyou nex
- jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 9/14/09, KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical offset
Can any members of the list send me photos of the offset vertical fin? I am
searching for a photos-in guidence to making my vertical fin offset and
the brackets!=0A-=0APlease email me directly...=0A-=0Akmheide
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