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1. 03:12 AM - Re: Re: Trailing Edge (Jack)
2. 03:12 AM - Re: Trailing Edge (Jack)
3. 06:26 AM - Airplane movie related (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: Lower engine mount brackets (Gene Rambo)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Piet video on Youtube (Jim Markle)
6. 09:48 AM - Re: Airplane movie related (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
7. 09:48 AM - Marquart Charger (John Hofmann)
8. 09:49 AM - preferences (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
9. 09:51 AM - popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
10. 12:21 PM - Corvair- specific link for Piets (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 12:44 PM - Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (shad bell)
12. 12:53 PM - Re: popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on (Gene Rambo)
13. 01:22 PM - Re: Lower engine mount brackets (Michael Perez)
14. 02:12 PM - old aviation footage (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 02:43 PM - Re: old aviation footage (Gary Boothe)
16. 02:43 PM - Re: Marquart Charger (Jack)
17. 02:43 PM - Re: old aviation footage (TOM STINEMETZE)
18. 04:23 PM - Re: popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on (Kip and Beth Gardner)
19. 06:20 PM - Re: popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on (K5YAC)
20. 06:56 PM - Re: EZ Turn Fuel Lube available from Wicks and Chief Aircraft (shad bell)
21. 06:56 PM - Re: Marquart Charger (John Hofmann)
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| Subject: | Re: Trailing Edge |
Mark,
Try a string, the laser can be pretty blurry. Get used to taking the ribs
off; it's a hazard of building from plans. You will want them off to cut
the groove.
Jack
www.textors.com
Great thread... I have been contemplating this very subject myself for
several days. Thanks for the illustrations Mike, and the photos Jim.
I like the idea of the wide popsicle sticks... I have a box of 500 of those
that I bought for mixing glue. Way more than I need, plus I like the
smaller ones for most stuff.
I also like the tongue in grove method, which is what I originally planned
to do, and still might. My biggest problem at the moment is that I left my
ribs (top and bottom caps) too long at the trailing edge. I built them
according to the rib drawing, but I didn't realize that I was supposed to
trim the excess until I started looking at other parts of the plan, and now
those suspicions are confirmed in Jim's photos.
Looks like I get to slide the ribs back off the spars for a trim (bummer).
I wonder if I could just shoot a laser down the length and trim them with an
exacto saw?
--------
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Gene,
Not flying but that's what I did. I also made a jig to hold the rib on the
table saw. Starting with the blade below the table I cranked it up 5 turns
for each rib. For extra bracing I glued a 1/8" triangle piece of birch ply
in the TE groove on both side of the rib. Try wire or aviation snips to cut
the sticks These pics may help.
Jack
www.textors.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trailing Edge
Just to throw another thought out there, I am about to attach my trailing
edge like Mike did (except that I made mine out of ripped up pieces of
Stearman spars) but I think I am going to use popsicle sticks instead of
plywood to attach it (the wide ones, from a craft store). They are a bit
thinner than most of the ply I have on hand and they are good and strong and
very easy to work with, almost no cutting -- just cut them in half and bevel
the edges. Besides, most old wings I have taken apart have had the plywood
delaminating long before the solid wood has deteriorated.
anyone else done this??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Corporation]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Trailing Edge
This is how I did mine Doug.
Mike C.
Worked well-no complaints.
17:49:00
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| Subject: | Airplane movie related |
Mikeee- did you notice near the end, when the guy is
thinking back to his experience flying single-engine
fighters, one of them is just like your "flying bicycle"?
With the same result, too (falling down ;o)
Man, those details of how folks have done their trailing
edges are really slick. Just think how things were
before newsgroups and the internet. Yes, there was a
printed newsletter but nowadays a question is asked and
within hours or even minutes there are proposed solutions,
sketches, and photos to help. Really slick.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Lower engine mount brackets |
I believe that these tabs are to give more bearing surface for the
fitting when on the ground. When you look at it, at rest all of the
engine weight is pushing the lower fitting aft. These ears take some of
the load off of the attach bolts.
Gene
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From: Michael Perez<mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower engine mount brackets
I see on the plans that the lower engine brackets at the
firewall have two ears that bend around to the front over the firewall.
What purpose do these serve? Is it a means to help prevent the fitting
from rocking?
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| Subject: | Re: Piet video on Youtube |
WOW! That was cool.
If this video is any indication, there's a LOT more to the Whitmore story!!!
Very interesting.
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From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sep 16, 2009 7:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet video on Youtube
This will definitely make your whole day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ8RS3FuVoA
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Airplane movie related |
Mike, do you like movies about gladiators?
Doesn't everyone ? And Turkish spas too !
(please.....do not archive )
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| Subject: | Marquart Charger |
From Pat Panzera's Experimenter Online mag. Thanks Pat. You are doing
a great job.
http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=40274896001
The link is to the video of Mark Gilmore's, Gold Lindy, Marquart
Charger. I have known Mark since 1990 and shared a hangar with him in
Anderson, Indiana for about five years. Those of us who have been
around this project for the past 20 years new (if it ever got done) it
would be something special. It is. Some may have seen it at Brodhead
for the Piet flyin. He staged there. Mark was back for Grassroots last
weekend and hopped a few rides. When I talked with him back in July he
was telling me how he flew circles, working his way to the edge of his
flight test box and when his time hit 25 hours he headed up towards
Brodhead.
Also, here is a link to a bad iPhone video I took last weekend at
Brodhead of the Autogyro and my Beech 18 ride with Steve Thomas. 110
GPH on takeoff!
http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100012
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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I love all Pietenpols, no matter what engine or wheels they have. I simp
ly have my favorites for some of the features
over other ones. To each his own in the Pietenpol world I say. Remem
ber what Larry Williams said-Pietenpols are
like snowflakes-no two are alike ! (well actually Doc Mosher said that..
..much to the high BP levels of one nice Piet guy,
Larry Williams)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on |
Gene-I like that idea very much. I too simply sanded the edges/beveled th
em at each end and by the time the covering
and edge tapes go on with paint and all they really don't look bad at all.
I think you'll be pleased with the appearance of
the approach you're using. (and integrity of the bond using that material.
)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Corvair- specific link for Piets |
William Wynne is reworking his FlyCorvair.com website to
concentrate information for specific airframes such as
KR, Zenith, and Piet. It's a work in progress but here's
the beginning of the Piet-specific page for Corvairs:
http://www.flycorvair.com/piet.html
As many of you know, William is an Air Camper at heart,
having cut his initial teeth on flying Corvair conversions
on his own Piet. As a result, his conversion work always
keeps our application in mind, not just the "all electric,
all metal" jobs.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the engine
case (ground)- Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the problems A
megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts, the high volt
age of the megger will jump a pretty good gap.- One other hillbilly suges
tion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and see if there is a
light show under the cowling from a bad harness, faulty wire insulation et
c. causing a "leak".- Also one- w.a.g. is that your switch might have b
ad isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark due to it partially shortin
g out. I also had one hell of an experiance years ago with an old tractor (
IH Cub)with a batt ignition, where the condenser (capasitor) went bad and c
aused a weak spark, to where the tractor would not start, replaced it still
would not start.- Hours, and a few days of scratching my head, I had put
the condenser in backwords (on the ground side, instead of the hot
side)-.- I still got spark, but a very weak spark.- After I put it o
n right it fired right up, and I picked up the beer bottles and mowed the y
ard.- Just a few things to check, I'll let you know if I think of any mor
e.
-
Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
Shad
--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
Hi all,
I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn off th
e 10 hours the insurance company is requiring.- We spent a fantastic 1.2
hours in N8031 last night.- Temps were perfect, wind was calm, and I even
nearly greased my first landing in a Piet!- What a great night.
Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when checking th
e mags.- Whoa!- Something's a-miss.- "Off" works as advertised, so I
don't think the mags are hot.
Googling suggests the following:
1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
3. Defective ignition switch
4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors (Bendix
S-1200 series mags)
5. Open magneto capacitors.
I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific warnings are
applicable.
Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective ignition switc
h.
Anyone else have any other suggestions?
Thanks,
Dan
-- Dan Yocum
Fermilab- 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab.- Just zeros and ones.
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on |
I went today to the craft store thinking I could buy a batch of the
wider (3/4"?) popsicle sticks. All they had was the 3/8" ones, which I
already have. Maybe the wider ones are medical?? Anyway, I will check
a couple of other places before I start hanging around the doctor's
office. (my next door neighbor is a doctor, so could probably get from
her anyway)
Gene
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation]<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on
Gene-I like that idea very much. I too simply sanded the
edges/beveled them at each end and by the time the covering
and edge tapes go on with paint and all they really don't look bad at
all. I think you'll be pleased with the appearance of
the approach you're using. (and integrity of the bond using that
material.)
Mike C.
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m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Lower engine mount brackets |
Thank you Gene. I forget to also picture the plane on the ground for some o
f it's design. You're explanation makes perfect sense.
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower engine mount brackets
I believe that these tabs are to give more bearing surface for the fitting
when on the ground.- When you look at it, at rest all of the engine weigh
t is pushing the lower fitting aft.- These ears take some of the load off
of the attach bolts.
-
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower engine mount brackets
I see on the plans that the- lower engine brackets at the firewall have t
wo ears that bend around to the front over the firewall. What purpose do th
ese serve? Is it a means to help prevent the fitting from rocking?
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| Subject: | old aviation footage |
>Mikeee- did you notice near the end, when the guy is
>thinking back to his experience flying single-engine
>fighters, one of them is just like your "flying bicycle"?
Ah yes-- that was great footage. Here's my recreation of that flying bike
with the Roman Candle pack of motors on the tail for propulsion.
My wife and I rode this around the airport ramp when I finished it but the
weight of the wings makes turns really difficult so you keep your turns ver
y
wide, very shallow. No, we never did liftoff. I was over gross mostly
likely
and we never lit the fake rocket motors that I made with Quarter Paper mone
y rolls
and yellow string to look like wicks to light.
Fun project.
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| Subject: | old aviation footage |
Mike,
Speaking of candle power, can your Cont. boast of this?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: old aviation footage
>Mikeee- did you notice near the end, when the guy is
>thinking back to his experience flying single-engine
>fighters, one of them is just like your "flying bicycle"?
Ah yes-- that was great footage. Here's my recreation of that flying bike
with the Roman Candle pack of motors on the tail for propulsion.
My wife and I rode this around the airport ramp when I finished it but the
weight of the wings makes turns really difficult so you keep your turns very
wide, very shallow. No, we never did liftoff. I was over gross mostly
likely
and we never lit the fake rocket motors that I made with Quarter Paper money
rolls
and yellow string to look like wicks to light.
Fun project.
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| Subject: | Re: Marquart Charger |
John,
Great thanks for sharing! You have to show me how to share vids from
iPhone.
Jack
Www.textors.com
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2009, at 11:18, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
wrote:
> From Pat Panzera's Experimenter Online mag. Thanks Pat. You are
> doing a great job.
>
> http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=40274896001
>
> The link is to the video of Mark Gilmore's, Gold Lindy, Marquart
> Charger. I have known Mark since 1990 and shared a hangar with him
> in Anderson, Indiana for about five years. Those of us who have been
> around this project for the past 20 years new (if it ever got done)
> it would be something special. It is. Some may have seen it at
> Brodhead for the Piet flyin. He staged there. Mark was back for
> Grassroots last weekend and hopped a few rides. When I talked with
> him back in July he was telling me how he flew circles, working his
> way to the edge of his flight test box and when his time hit 25
> hours he headed up towards Brodhead.
>
> Also, here is a link to a bad iPhone video I took last weekend at
> Brodhead of the Autogyro and my Beech 18 ride with Steve Thomas. 110
> GPH on takeoff!
>
> http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100012
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: old aviation footage |
Hummm! I would like to see your weight and balance worksheet on that
project. I suspect you might be a bit lucky that thing never caught a
stray gust and "slipped the surley bonds" so to speak.
Stinemetze
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>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov> 9/17/2009 3:56 PM >>>
>Mikeee- did you notice near the end, when the guy is
>thinking back to his experience flying single-engine
>fighters, one of them is just like your "flying bicycle"?
Ah yes-- that was great footage. Here's my recreation of that flying
bike
with the Roman Candle pack of motors on the tail for propulsion.
My wife and I rode this around the airport ramp when I finished it but the
weight of the wings makes turns really difficult so you keep your turns
very
wide, very shallow. No, we never did liftoff. I was over gross mostly
likely
and we never lit the fake rocket motors that I made with Quarter Paper
money rolls
and yellow string to look like wicks to light.
Fun project.
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| Subject: | Re: popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on |
Gene,
The wider ones are medical - known as "tongue depressors". Check
under 'medical supplies' in your phone listings if your neighbor
can't supply you.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 17, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> I went today to the craft store thinking I could buy a batch of the
> wider (3/4"?) popsicle sticks. All they had was the 3/8" ones,
> which I already have. Maybe the wider ones are medical?? Anyway,
> I will check a couple of other places before I start hanging around
> the doctor's office. (my next door neighbor is a doctor, so could
> probably get from her anyway)
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:49 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on
>
> Gene-I like that idea very much. I too simply sanded the edges/
> beveled them at each end and by the time the covering
> and edge tapes go on with paint and all they really don't look bad
> at all. I think you'll be pleased with the appearance of
> the approach you're using. (and integrity of the bond using that
> material.)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: popsicle/craft sticks to glue TE on |
I got mine at Aircraft Spruce (please don't boo me)... 3/4" x 6", box of 500, $10.75.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/mixingsticks.php
These may actually be cheaper than anything that might be packaged for "medical"
use. You certainly don't want to pay for sterile type depressors, just the
unsealed, loosely packaged craft type should do.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: EZ Turn Fuel Lube available from Wicks and Chief Aircraft |
What about the beer you spill into the tank when you set your beer on top o
f the wing, and knock it over with the fuel can?=C2- I guess you could ju
st suck the beer out of the gascolator, and spit when it starts to taste li
ke gasoline.=C2- If it is the hard stuff just run it through the engine f
or a nitros like acceleration, they might already do that down in the hills
.
Shad
=C2-
=C2-
And for those who don=99t know what a finger strainer is (see Bingeli
s books=94fuel systems) they look like this=94they keep the gol
f balls and beer cans from your fuel tank from going into your fuel deliver
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| Subject: | Re: Marquart Charger |
Hey Jack,
I ran the bits through iMovie and uploaded it to my mobile me account.
It was easy. Contact me offline if you want more detail.
do not archive
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 17, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Jack wrote:
> John,
> Great thanks for sharing! You have to show me how to share vids
> from iPhone.
> Jack
> Www.textors.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 11:18, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> From Pat Panzera's Experimenter Online mag. Thanks Pat. You are
>> doing a great job.
>>
>> http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=40274896001
>>
>> The link is to the video of Mark Gilmore's, Gold Lindy, Marquart
>> Charger. I have known Mark since 1990 and shared a hangar with him
>> in Anderson, Indiana for about five years. Those of us who have
>> been around this project for the past 20 years new (if it ever got
>> done) it would be something special. It is. Some may have seen it
>> at Brodhead for the Piet flyin. He staged there. Mark was back for
>> Grassroots last weekend and hopped a few rides. When I talked with
>> him back in July he was telling me how he flew circles, working his
>> way to the edge of his flight test box and when his time hit 25
>> hours he headed up towards Brodhead.
>>
>> Also, here is a link to a bad iPhone video I took last weekend at
>> Brodhead of the Autogyro and my Beech 18 ride with Steve Thomas.
>> 110 GPH on takeoff!
>>
>> http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100012
>>
>> -john-
>>
>> John Hofmann
>> Vice-President, Information Technology
>> The Rees Group, Inc.
>> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
>> Madison, WI 53718
>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
>> Fax: 608.443.2474
>> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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