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1. 05:55 AM - Re: gap seal (Gene & Tammy)
2. 07:23 AM - Re: gap seal (airlion)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: gap seal (Thomas Bernie)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: Out Fox The Fox (Tim Willis)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: gap seal (Gene & Tammy)
6. 04:17 PM - Re: gap seal (Jack Phillips)
7. 06:31 PM - Opinions Please (K5YAC)
8. 06:48 PM - Re: Opinions Please (Lloyd Smith)
9. 07:24 PM - Re: Opinions Please (K5YAC)
10. 07:59 PM - Re: Out Fox The Fox (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
11. 07:59 PM - Re: Opinions Please (Ben Charvet)
12. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Opinions Please (Lloyd Smith)
13. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Opinions Please (Lloyd Smith)
14. 08:08 PM - Re: Opinions Please (K5YAC)
15. 08:33 PM - I'm back (Doug Dever)
16. 09:42 PM - Re: Opinions Please (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
17. 09:51 PM - Re: Opinions Please (K5YAC)
18. 11:09 PM - Re: Re: Opinions Please (Clif Dawson)
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Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure they look
great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for gap seals. Buy
your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a color that matched my
plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and then remove the backing from
half the width of each strip. Place the glue sides of the two strips
together and you end up having one strip with a sticky side on one half of
each side. That way you can stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer,
thread it thru the slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up
looking great and lasts about forever.
I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have had
better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
Gene
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>
> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape
> on the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal the verticle
> stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>
>
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Thanks Gene. I'll see if I can find some vinyl. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:54:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure they look great)
however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for gap seals. Buy your vinyl
from a sign shop (I was able to find a color that matched my plane's color).
Cut the vinyl into strips and then remove the backing from half the width of
each strip. Place the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having
one strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can
stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the slot and stick
it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking great and lasts about forever.
I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have had better
results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
Gene
N502R
----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>
> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape on the
top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal the verticle stab. and
rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>
>
>
>
>
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Guys,
Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did and
use fabric. I did this on the ailerons and elevators. The big
disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.
Regards, Tom Bernie
On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
> >
>
> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure
> they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for
> gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a
> color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and
> then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place
> the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one
> strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can
> stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the
> slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking
> great and lasts about forever.
> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have
> had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
> Gene
> N502R
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>
>
>>
>> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck
>> tape on the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal
>> the verticle stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: Out Fox The Fox |
Lowell,
Congratulations. Remind us to keep YOU away from the henhouse. It sounds like
you were laughing up your [jacket] sleeve the whole time. The result has to
be a great sense of relief.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sep 18, 2009 9:55 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
>
>
>Hi Gang.
>Well- the check ride is over, and here is a general summery.
>With an early morning appointment on a perfect day. Temps around the mid 50's
Mr FAA comes to work in jeans and a short sleeve shirt. We pushed the hot J3 out
of the hanger and after a long check-out, I ask if he would want the doors
open or closed. Reply." Your discretion ." , I selected, open. I was wearing a
jacket. He said that I select the runway and he will instruct maneuvers to be
done.
>We took off and went to 3000 Ft. Temps were in the 40's, a couple clearance turns
and 360's to the right and left but steeper. one power off stall, and one
accelerated at my discretion.
>His next words were." Lets shoot a few landings" The word "discretion" came up
many times. Runway selection etc.
>He kept me closer and closer to the airport, until between side-slips and power
approaches to hit a spot he insisted I hit.
>The last landing, I told him that it will be exactly as I did on 36L, at 12" off
the turf I dropped the J3 in with a mild quick stall.
>The next thing I heard "Lets go in and talk about things." as he rubbed his arms
to bring a bit of warmth into circulation.
>In a later discussion he mentioned that a rebound from a small bounce may have
lightened the gears enough to allow the side movement that I had. But a picture
shows what a thousand words cannot cannot express.
>The next hour I asked how his great adventures in the CO mountains went and what
his greatest fears were. The Cougar was his answer, and it was a piece of cake
from there on.
>Pieti Lowell
>
>
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Tom, your wings look great and I love the color! How far along on your
build are you? More photos? I bought my flying Piet, I didn't build it and
the only reason I not flying it today is I injured my leg. It'll be a week
or so before I'll be able to fly again and I'm really tired of setting
around. The weather here is slowly cooling down and I'm excited about the
upcoming winter flying. Only wish we got more snow here so I could outfit
the Piet with skies.
Gene Grounded in Tennessee
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Bernie" <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
> Guys,
> Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did and
> use fabric. I did this on the ailerons and elevators. The big
> disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.
> Regards, Tom Bernie
>
>
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> On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
>
>> <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net
>> >
>>
>> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure
>> they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for
>> gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a
>> color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and
>> then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place
>> the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one
>> strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can
>> stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the
>> slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking
>> great and lasts about forever.
>> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have
>> had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
>> Gene
>> N502R
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>>
>>
>>>
>>> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck
>>> tape on the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal
>>> the verticle stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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I just put it on the bottom on the elevators/stabilizer. Nothing on the
rudder. As I said earlier, I put the duct tape on just as an experiment,
and it's still there after 4 years.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape on
the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal the verticle stab.
and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
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I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at. I received
my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up shortly after.
It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not perform a thorough
inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected to be there was
indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars and
several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather
(rain).
Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the hangar
today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice this
before, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie someone was
careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very careful). It extends
from the top or the spar, around the corner to the front side of the spar,
across the grain. I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC model
wood and the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus
far, and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from the
bundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and
applied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under
pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now).
Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeks
ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it is.
I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by looking
at photos, but...
Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the grain,
etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to remove
with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I hate to destroy
the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
Thanks for looking.
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Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
This will sound crazy, but a drop of ink on the scratch should follow the
grain unless there is truely a crack. If that's the case (a crack), then
the drop will wick down into the wood.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at.
> I received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up
> shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not
> perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected
> to be there was indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I
> hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since
> because of the weather (rain).
>
> Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the
> hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't
> notice this before, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie
> someone was careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very
> careful). It extends from the top or the spar, around the corner to the
> front side of the spar, across the grain. I've seen damage like this when
> being careless with RC model wood and the like, but I know I've been very
> careful with this stuff thus far, and the only time I used a blade was to
> carefully remove the tape from the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge
> of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my hand. The
> scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am calling it
> a scratch now).
>
> Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few
> weeks ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than
> it is. I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by
> looking at photos, but...
>
> Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the
> grain, etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be
> able to remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I
> hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
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not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
That DOES sounds crazy. Anyone else concur on this test? I'd sure be willing
to try it. I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a small drop of
rubber stamp pad ink?
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Dear Lowell,
My deepest respect and regard for you and your experience with aviation over the
years and for you having to put up with
the FAA guy but in the end it sounded like he was, after all, a normal human being
too. Thank God for that. You did great.
We had a little incident locally over the past week where (thankfully) no body
knew the better and pilot's with YEARS and years
of experience just drove home peacefully by sunset time and nothing more was a
to-do about it. Just the way it should be
in my mind. Glad you're back among the troops. Good going.
Mike Cuy
In Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
Where on the spar is the blemish, in the center, or on one of the ends?
Ben
K5YAC wrote:
>
> I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at. I
received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up shortly
after. It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not perform a thorough
inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected to be there was
indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars
and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather
(rain).
>
> Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the hangar
today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice this
before, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie someone was
careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very careful). It extends
from the top or the spar, around the corner to the front side of the spar,
across the grain. I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC
model wood and the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus
far, and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from
the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and
applied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under
pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now).
>
> Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeks
ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it
is. I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by looking
at photos, but...
>
> Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the grain,
etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to
remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I hate to destroy
the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263901#263901
>
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Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
http://exp-aircraft.com/library/boyce/grain.html
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup, need to be thin, low surface tension stuff. There's a reference
> somewhere (I'll look for it) for determining grain slope doing this as well.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> That DOES sounds crazy. Anyone else concur on this test? I'd sure be
>> willing to try it. I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a
>> small drop of rubber stamp pad ink?
>>
>> --------
>> Mark - working on wings
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263909#263909
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>
>
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> "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
> or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
> publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
>
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not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
Yup, need to be thin, low surface tension stuff. There's a reference
somewhere (I'll look for it) for determining grain slope doing this as well.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> That DOES sounds crazy. Anyone else concur on this test? I'd sure be
> willing to try it. I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a
> small drop of rubber stamp pad ink?
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263909#263909
>
>
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not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
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Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
In the center. If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of exact center.
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Hey gang,
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I'm back after a brief hiatis due to MSN Hotmail who closed my acct for a s
upposed "terms of use violation"- Since there is nobody with a pulse to t
alk to can't find anything out.-
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Anyway, enough ranting- rib jig done...about ready to make my first rib.
-
Doug Dever=0A=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You
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photos possible?
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Sat=2C 19 Sep 2009 18:31:24 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I know this is a long shot=2C but I'm trying to decide what I am looking
at. I received my wood package from AS&S back in July=2C and opened it all
up shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition=2C although I did
not perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I exp
ected to be there was indeed there=2C an I didn't notice any blemishes or d
amage. I hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done m
uch since because of the weather (rain).
>
> Ok=2C ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather=2C I went to
the hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn
't notice this before=2C but it was pretty obvious today. It actually look
s lie someone was careless with a blade (not me=2C I'm sure of that... was
very careful). It extends from the top or the spar=2C around the corner t
o the front side of the spar=2C across the grain. I've seen damage like th
is when being careless with RC model wood and the like=2C but I know I've b
een very careful with this stuff thus far=2C and the only time I used a bla
de was to carefully remove the tape from the bundles. I placed the spar o
n the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my han
d. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am c
alling it a scratch now).
>
> Anyhow=2C I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a
few weeks ago=2C but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks wor
se than it is. I can't tell for sure=2C and I'm sure that it is difficult
to know by looking at photos=2C but...
>
> Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling=2C like split against th
e grain=2C etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may
be able to remove with light sanding=2C but it is hard to tell for sure=2C
and I hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the sub
ject.
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> Thanks for looking.
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Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
I've attached 5 photos. I'm a web user, so I'm not sure how they come across on
the e-mail side. I assume... attached?
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Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
It's a crack. I've suffered that sort of thing a
number of times. It goes farther to the left
as well. I can see it going out of the picture
to the left. Don't use this piece!
In pic five you can see it follows the grain direction.
Clif
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> In the center. If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of
> exact center.
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