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     1. 05:55 AM - Re: gap seal (Gene & Tammy)
     2. 07:23 AM - Re: gap seal (airlion)
     3. 08:23 AM - Re: gap seal (Thomas Bernie)
     4. 08:35 AM - Re: Out Fox The Fox (Tim Willis)
     5. 08:57 AM - Re: gap seal (Gene & Tammy)
     6. 04:17 PM - Re: gap seal (Jack Phillips)
     7. 06:31 PM - Opinions Please (K5YAC)
     8. 06:48 PM - Re: Opinions Please (Lloyd Smith)
     9. 07:24 PM - Re: Opinions Please (K5YAC)
    10. 07:59 PM - Re: Out Fox The Fox (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    11. 07:59 PM - Re: Opinions Please (Ben Charvet)
    12. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Opinions Please (Lloyd Smith)
    13. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Opinions Please (Lloyd Smith)
    14. 08:08 PM - Re: Opinions Please (K5YAC)
    15. 08:33 PM - I'm back (Doug Dever)
    16. 09:42 PM - Re: Opinions Please (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
    17. 09:51 PM - Re: Opinions Please (K5YAC)
    18. 11:09 PM - Re: Re: Opinions Please (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 
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      Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure they look 
      great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for gap seals.  Buy 
      your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a color that matched my 
      plane's color).  Cut the vinyl into strips and then remove the backing from 
      half the width of each strip.  Place the glue sides of the two strips 
      together and you end up having one strip with a sticky side on one half of 
      each side.  That way you can stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, 
      thread it thru the slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator.  Ends up 
      looking great and lasts about forever.
      I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better.  Jack may have had 
      better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
      Gene
      N502R
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
      
      
      >
      > To Jack phillips.  Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape 
      > on the top or bottom or both sides?  Also, did you gap seal the verticle 
      > stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
      >
      >
      
      
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      Thanks Gene. I'll see if I  can find some vinyl. Gardiner
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
      Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:54:48 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
      
      
      Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure they look great)
      however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for gap seals.  Buy your vinyl
      from a sign shop (I was able to find a color that matched my plane's color).
      Cut the vinyl into strips and then remove the backing from half the width of
      each strip.  Place the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having
      one strip with a sticky side on one half of each side.  That way you can
      stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the slot and stick
      it to the bottom of the elevator.  Ends up looking great and lasts about forever.
      I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better.  Jack may have had better
      results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
      Gene
      N502R
      ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
      
      
      > 
      > To Jack phillips.  Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape on the
      top or bottom or both sides?  Also, did you gap seal the verticle stab. and
      rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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      Guys,
      Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did and  
      use fabric.  I did this on the ailerons and elevators.  The big  
      disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.
      Regards, Tom Bernie
      
      
      On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
      
      > >
      >
      > Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure  
      > they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for  
      > gap seals.  Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a  
      > color that matched my plane's color).  Cut the vinyl into strips and  
      > then remove the backing from half the width of each strip.  Place  
      > the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one  
      > strip with a sticky side on one half of each side.  That way you can  
      > stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the  
      > slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator.  Ends up looking  
      > great and lasts about forever.
      > I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better.  Jack may have  
      > had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
      > Gene
      > N502R
      > ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
      >
      >
      >>
      >> To Jack phillips.  Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck  
      >> tape on the top or bottom or both sides?  Also, did you gap seal  
      >> the verticle stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
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      >
      >
      > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
      > 07:49:00
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      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Out Fox The Fox | 
      
      
      Lowell,
      Congratulations. Remind us to keep YOU away from the henhouse.  It sounds like
      you were laughing up your [jacket] sleeve the whole time.   The result has to
      be a great sense of relief.
      Tim in central TX
      do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
      >Sent: Sep 18, 2009 9:55 PM
      >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
      >
      >
      >Hi Gang.
      >Well- the check ride is over, and here is a general summery.
      >With an early morning appointment on a perfect day. Temps around the mid 50's
      Mr FAA comes to work in jeans and a short sleeve shirt. We pushed the hot J3 out
      of the hanger and after a long check-out, I ask if he would want the doors
      open or closed. Reply." Your discretion ." , I selected, open. I was wearing a
      jacket. He said that I select the runway and he will instruct maneuvers to be
      done.
      >We took off and went to 3000 Ft. Temps were in the 40's, a couple clearance turns
      and 360's to the right and left but steeper. one power off stall, and one
      accelerated at my discretion.
      >His next words were." Lets shoot a few landings" The word "discretion" came up
      many times. Runway selection etc.
      >He kept me closer and closer to the airport, until between side-slips and power
      approaches to hit a spot he insisted I hit.
      >The last landing, I told him that it will be exactly as I did on 36L, at 12" off
      the turf I dropped the J3  in with a mild quick stall.
      >The next thing I heard "Lets go in and talk about things." as he rubbed his arms
      to bring a bit of warmth into circulation.
      >In a later discussion he mentioned that a rebound from a small bounce may have
      lightened the gears enough to allow the side movement that I had. But a picture
      shows what a thousand words cannot cannot express.
      >The next hour I asked how his great adventures in the CO mountains went and what
      his greatest fears were. The Cougar was his answer, and it was a piece of cake
      from there on.
      >Pieti Lowell
      >
      >
      
      
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      Tom, your wings look great and I love the color!  How far along on your 
      build are you?  More photos?  I bought my flying Piet, I didn't build it and 
      the only reason I not flying it today is I injured my leg.  It'll be a week 
      or so before I'll be able to fly again and I'm really tired of setting 
      around.  The weather here is slowly cooling down and I'm excited about the 
      upcoming winter flying.  Only wish we got more snow here so I could outfit 
      the Piet with skies.
      Gene   Grounded in Tennessee
      N502R
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Thomas Bernie" <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
      Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:17 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
      
      
      > Guys,
      > Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did and
      > use fabric.  I did this on the ailerons and elevators.  The big
      > disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.
      > Regards, Tom Bernie
      >
      >
      
      
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      
      
      >
      > On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
      >
      >> <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net
      >> >
      >>
      >> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure
      >> they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for
      >> gap seals.  Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a
      >> color that matched my plane's color).  Cut the vinyl into strips and
      >> then remove the backing from half the width of each strip.  Place
      >> the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one
      >> strip with a sticky side on one half of each side.  That way you can
      >> stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the
      >> slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator.  Ends up looking
      >> great and lasts about forever.
      >> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better.  Jack may have
      >> had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
      >> Gene
      >> N502R
      >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      >> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
      >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
      >>
      >>
      >>>
      >>> To Jack phillips.  Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck
      >>> tape on the top or bottom or both sides?  Also, did you gap seal
      >>> the verticle stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>
      >>
      >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
      >> 07:49:00
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      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      
      
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      I just put it on the bottom on the elevators/stabilizer.  Nothing on the
      rudder.  As I said earlier, I put the duct tape on just as an experiment,
      and it's still there after 4 years.
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Raleigh, NC
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
      Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:25 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
      
      
      To Jack phillips.  Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape on
      the top or bottom or both sides?  Also, did you gap seal the verticle stab.
      and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
      
      
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      I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at.  I received
      my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up shortly after.
      It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not perform a thorough
      inspection until a few weeks ago.  Everything I expected to be there was
      indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage.  I hung my spars and
      several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather
      (rain).
      
      Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the hangar
      today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice this
      before, but it was pretty obvious today.  It actually looks lie someone was
      careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that...  was very careful).  It extends
      from the top or the spar, around the corner to the front side of the spar,
      across the grain.  I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC model
      wood and the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus
      far, and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from the
      bundles.   I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and
      applied pressure with my hand.  The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under
      pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now).  
      
      Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeks
      ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it is.
      I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by looking
      at photos, but...
      
      Opinions?  Tips?  Suggestions?  Anything telling, like split against the grain,
      etc?  It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to remove
      with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I hate to destroy
      the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.  
      
      Thanks for looking.
      
      --------
      Mark - working on wings
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Opinions Please | 
      
      This will sound crazy, but a drop of ink on the scratch should follow the
      grain unless there is truely a crack.  If that's the case (a crack), then
      the drop will wick down into the wood.
      
      On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
      
      >
      > I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at.
      >  I received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up
      > shortly after.  It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not
      > perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago.  Everything I expected
      > to be there was indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage.  I
      > hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since
      > because of the weather (rain).
      >
      > Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the
      > hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't
      > notice this before, but it was pretty obvious today.  It actually looks lie
      > someone was careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that...  was very
      > careful).  It extends from the top or the spar, around the corner to the
      > front side of the spar, across the grain.  I've seen damage like this when
      > being careless with RC model wood and the like, but I know I've been very
      > careful with this stuff thus far, and the only time I used a blade was to
      > carefully remove the tape from the bundles.   I placed the spar on the edge
      > of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my hand.  The
      > scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am calling it
      > a scratch now).
      >
      > Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few
      > weeks ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than
      > it is.  I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by
      > looking at photos, but...
      >
      > Opinions?  Tips?  Suggestions?  Anything telling, like split against the
      > grain, etc?  It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be
      > able to remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I
      > hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
      >
      > Thanks for looking.
      >
      > --------
      > Mark - working on wings
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
      not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
      publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Opinions Please | 
      
      
      That DOES sounds crazy.  Anyone else concur on this test?  I'd sure be willing
      to try it.  I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a small drop of
      rubber stamp pad ink?
      
      --------
      Mark - working on wings
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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      Dear Lowell, 
      
      My deepest respect and regard for you and your experience with aviation over the
      years and for you having to put up with
      the FAA guy but in the end it sounded like he was, after all, a normal human being
      too.   Thank God for that.   You did great. 
      
      We had a little incident locally over the past week where (thankfully) no body
      knew the better and pilot's with YEARS and years 
      of experience just drove home peacefully by sunset time and nothing more was a
      to-do about it.   Just the way it should be
      in my mind.   Glad you're back among the troops.     Good going. 
      
       Mike Cuy
      In Ohio 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Opinions Please | 
      
      
      Where on the spar is the blemish, in the center, or on one of the ends?
      
      Ben
      
      K5YAC wrote:
      >
      > I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at.  I
      received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up shortly
      after.  It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not perform a thorough
      inspection until a few weeks ago.  Everything I expected to be there was
      indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage.  I hung my spars
      and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather
      (rain).
      >
      > Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the hangar
      today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice this
      before, but it was pretty obvious today.  It actually looks lie someone was
      careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that...  was very careful).  It extends
      from the top or the spar, around the corner to the front side of the spar,
      across the grain.  I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC
      model wood and the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus
      far, and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from
      the bundles.   I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and
      applied pressure with my hand.  The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under
      pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now).  
      >
      > Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeks
      ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it
      is.  I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by looking
      at photos, but...
      >
      > Opinions?  Tips?  Suggestions?  Anything telling, like split against the grain,
      etc?  It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to
      remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I hate to destroy
      the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.  
      >
      > Thanks for looking.
      >
      > --------
      > Mark - working on wings
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263901#263901
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: Opinions Please | 
      
      http://exp-aircraft.com/library/boyce/grain.html
      
      On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Lloyd Smith <lesmith240@gmail.com> wrote:
      
      > Yup, need to be thin, low surface tension stuff.  There's a reference
      > somewhere (I'll look for it) for determining grain slope doing this as well.
      >
      >
      > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
      >
      >>
      >> That DOES sounds crazy.  Anyone else concur on this test?  I'd sure be
      >> willing to try it.  I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a
      >> small drop of rubber stamp pad ink?
      >>
      >> --------
      >> Mark - working on wings
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Read this topic online here:
      >>
      >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263909#263909
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > --
      > "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
      > or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
      > publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
      >
      
      
      -- 
      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
      not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
      publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
      
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      Yup, need to be thin, low surface tension stuff.  There's a reference
      somewhere (I'll look for it) for determining grain slope doing this as well.
      
      On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
      
      >
      > That DOES sounds crazy.  Anyone else concur on this test?  I'd sure be
      > willing to try it.  I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a
      > small drop of rubber stamp pad ink?
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      In the center.  If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of exact center.
      
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      Hey gang,
      -
      I'm back after a brief hiatis due to MSN Hotmail who closed my acct for a s
      upposed "terms of use violation"- Since there is nobody with a pulse to t
      alk to can't find anything out.- 
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      Anyway, enough ranting- rib jig done...about ready to make my first rib.
      -
      Doug Dever=0A=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You
      
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      photos possible?
      
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
      > From: hangar10@cox.net
      > Date: Sat=2C 19 Sep 2009 18:31:24 -0700
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > 
      > 
      > I know this is a long shot=2C but I'm trying to decide what I am looking 
      at.  I received my wood package from AS&S back in July=2C and opened it all
       up shortly after.  It all looked to be in good condition=2C although I did
       not perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago.  Everything I exp
      ected to be there was indeed there=2C an I didn't notice any blemishes or d
      amage.  I hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done m
      uch since because of the weather (rain).
      > 
      > Ok=2C ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather=2C I went to
       the hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn
      't notice this before=2C but it was pretty obvious today.  It actually look
      s lie someone was careless with a blade (not me=2C I'm sure of that...  was
       very careful).  It extends from the top or the spar=2C around the corner t
      o the front side of the spar=2C across the grain.  I've seen damage like th
      is when being careless with RC model wood and the like=2C but I know I've b
      een very careful with this stuff thus far=2C and the only time I used a bla
      de was to carefully remove the tape from the bundles.   I placed the spar o
      n the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my han
      d.  The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am c
      alling it a scratch now).  
      > 
      > Anyhow=2C I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a 
      few weeks ago=2C but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks wor
      se than it is.  I can't tell for sure=2C and I'm sure that it is difficult 
      to know by looking at photos=2C but...
      > 
      > Opinions?  Tips?  Suggestions?  Anything telling=2C like split against th
      e grain=2C etc?  It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may 
      be able to remove with light sanding=2C but it is hard to tell for sure=2C 
      and I hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the sub
      ject.  
      > 
      > Thanks for looking.
      > 
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      I've attached 5 photos.  I'm a web user, so I'm not sure how they come across on
      the e-mail side.  I assume... attached?
      
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      It's a crack. I've suffered that sort of thing a
      number of times. It goes farther to the left
      as well. I can see it going out of the picture
       to the left. Don't use this piece!
      
      In pic five you can see it follows the grain direction.
      
      Clif
      
      >
      > In the center.  If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of 
      > exact center.
      >
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