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1. 12:55 AM - Re: Re: Opinions Please (Clif Dawson)
2. 06:44 AM - sketches and photos (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
3. 10:57 AM - Re: How will the vendor do? (K5YAC)
4. 11:03 AM - Re: How will the vendor do? (K5YAC)
5. 03:22 PM - West Coast Piet Get-together (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:21 PM - Hopefully Jim Irwin of Aircraft Spruce and Specialty read this post as it sounds like you're getting the run around from them--- can you help this guy JIM ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
7. 07:24 PM - Re: Windshields (Dan Yocum)
8. 08:18 PM - Re: Windshields (Dan Yocum)
9. 09:55 PM - not piet related, but still from 1929... (Billy McCaskill)
10. 11:09 PM - Re: not piet related, but still from 1929... (Robert Ray)
11. 11:13 PM - Re: sketches and photos (Robert Ray)
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
It may seem weird when looking at the face but on the
edge you see it flows right down the grain. Also if you
really look at the grain in that area it has quite a jog in it.
Even without the crack I would not been happy with it.
One thing about the lift strut attachment area is that
it is where the highest bending stress is from flight
loads. Bending loads concentrate at attachment
points.
Clif
Looks a little weird, the stress line cuts across
the growth rings, as far as a splice I would trust a proper splice
more than the flaw, this may have happened when the tree was cut down
it was tortured a few minutes
as the tree was coming down and hitting the ground.
I've heard of this before.
Russell
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| Subject: | sketches and photos |
Group,
I will not be mailing out CD's to individuals but rather thru the generosi
ty of Chris Tracy,
he has invited me to send him my batch of chicken-scratch sketches and some
photos that
he'll post to his fantastic Westcoast Piet site.
Chris will let us know when those are up and ready for viewing.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Follow up on the Aircraft Spruce wing spar...
I spoke to two individuals this morning. I did not get the first persons name
as we only spoke briefly, but upon explaining to her what I was calling for (without
a chance to offer much detail), she stated, oh, that is a freight claim.
I informed her that the packaging was not damaged in any way, and that according
to a few of the people that inspected the damage, they were of the opinion
that it looked like damage that might be caused by dull plainer blades, or
from feeding material too quickly. Her response was, as you know, we are VERY
meticulous with our wood products. There is no way we would have shipped a defective
part. I said, ok, that may very well be, but mistakes can be made and
I am just trying to describe the nature of the damage. She said, hang on a
second, then she promptly handed me off to another individual (Tawny Castillo).
While I was trying to explain my situation to Tawny, I hear the other woman
speaking under her breath its a freight claim... but I continued to describe
the situation. My conversation with Tawny proceeded like this...
Tawny: Did you sign for the shipment as damaged?
Me: No, the packaging on the wood kit was in tact and in good condition. I didn't
have any reason to suspect any damage, especially by the shipper. I have some
photos of the damage if you would like to have a look at the damage I am trying
to describe. (I did mention to her that the plywood carton was damaged,
so we opened it right away and inspected the contents, which looked to be in
good condition.)
Tawny: Well, if the shipment was signed for free and clear than there isn't much
we can do as far as filing a claim with UPS and ohhhh this material was delivered
way back in July.
Me: Yes, way back in July (2 months ago), but the packaging on this material was
not damaged in any way. Why would I have filed a freight damage claim? Also,
some of this material may not be used for many months, but... (interrupted)
Tawny: I can get you over to the order desk to place a new order for the part you
need.
Me: No, I would like to discuss the defective part I currently have.
She asked for the part number for the specific component, which I provided. She
tallied for a moment and stated (kind of to herself as she researched the part),
there would be a freight charge. I was wondering, is she talking to me?
She asked, you said that you have photos of the damage? I stated yes. She then
asked if I could e-mail them over for the customer service manager to take
a look and see if there is anything they can do. I told her I would... now I
am waiting for their response.
It is hard to illustrate their willingness to blame me and/or the shipper. I didnt
record the conversation, but I did take notes in order to capture the highlights
because I was afraid of this sort of reaction. They were ready for me
to just order another spar, something I will not be doing with them if it is
necessary. Perhaps they will come through.
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
E-mail message to Tawny Castillo (AS&S)
Tawny:
Ive attached a few photos (below) of the damage I found on the spar material we
spoke about earlier today. Fortunately, this damage happened to be right about
eye level when on my wing jig, otherwise it may have gone undetected. To me,
this damage looked like nothing more than a scratch, but since I was uncertain,
I called on several experienced builders to get their opinion. One of the
individuals that looked at the damage in person is an A&P with Inspector Authorization.
He inspected it closely under magnification and stated that he believes
that it is indeed a crack, and that the part should not be used. Furthermore,
this individual (and others) claim that the way this crack is distributed
against the grain on one face and with the grain on another, that it looks
reminiscent of the type of damage done from a dull plainer blade or from feeding
the material too quickly. Im not suggesting that this IS what happened, just
that a few experienced woodworkers and aircraft builders concur on this analysis.
I know that it is my responsibility to inspect and report any damage upon delivery
that may have occurred during shipping, but as I stated during our conversation,
the carton that contained the wood kit showed no signs of damage. In fact,
it was completely in tact and packaged very well. Furthermore, even though
I performed a preliminary inspection and inventory, some of this material may
not be used for many months, therefore some items may not get a close inspection
for some time. If this type of damage were found on a less critical part
I may just attempt a repair, or replace it on my next order, but this is a critical
and expensive component that I expected to be in good condition given
that it is certified material. I will be paying close attention to the remaining
parts.
Cordially,
Mark Chouinard
Owasso, Oklahoma
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I included the photos I posted on the other link for her to review. I hope they
are willing to assist.
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
All,
Saturday we had our annual get-together (if you are a West Coast Builder or
owner and got left out, just e-mail me and you will be put on the list for
the next one), and had a great day! The event was hosted by Mike Weaver, at
his house, where his project was up-side-down getting a straight axle gear
installed. Chris Tracy went above and beyond getting his fuselage to the
event, too.
"At Mike's House": Ray Krause (Waiex builder/owner and now a Piet Builder),
Mike Hardaway (Piet Builder), Jim Boyer (Piet Builder), Darrel Jones (Piet
Builder), Mike Groah (Piet Builder), Gary Boothe (Piet Builder, and 15 ribs
done in case you didn't know), Mike Weaver (Piet Builder), Chris Tracy (Piet
Builder).
"In Front of Charlie's Piet": Mike Weaver, Mike Groah, Chris Tracy, Ray
Krause, Jim Boyer, Mike Hardaway, Darrel Jones, Charlie Miller (kneeling.
That's Charlie's beautiful Piet that he flew in on "his longest x-country
ever").
Three other pilots flew in other planes as pictured. BTW - is everyone
seeing those beautiful blue N. California skies?
Everyone professed to have a great time and we didn't once argue about the
pros & cons of Corvair vs. ho-hum...I mean Continentals or Fords.
Thanks, Mike, for all the work!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | Hopefully Jim Irwin of Aircraft Spruce and Specialty read |
this post as it sounds like you're getting the run around from them--- can
you help this guy JIM ?
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of K5YAC [hangar10@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How will the vendor do?
Follow up on the Aircraft Spruce wing spar...
I spoke to two individuals this morning. I did not get the first person???s name
as we only spoke briefly, but upon explaining to her what I was calling for
(without a chance to offer much detail), she stated, ???oh, that is a freight
claim.??? I informed her that the packaging was not damaged in any way, and
that according to a few of the people that inspected the damage, they were of
the opinion that it looked like damage that might be caused by dull plainer blades,
or from feeding material too quickly. Her response was, ???as you know,
we are VERY meticulous with our wood products. There is no way we would have
shipped a defective part.??? I said, ???ok, that may very well be, but mistakes
can be made and I am just trying to describe the nature of the damage.???
She said, ???hang on a second???, then she promptly handed me off to another
individual (Tawny Castillo). While I was trying to explain my situation to Tawny,
I hear the other woman speaking under her breat!
h ???it???s a freight claim???... but I continued to describe the situation.
My conversation with Tawny proceeded like this...
Tawny: Did you sign for the shipment as damaged?
Me: No, the packaging on the wood kit was in tact and in good condition. I didn't
have any reason to suspect any damage, especially by the shipper. I have some
photos of the damage if you would like to have a look at the damage I am trying
to describe. (I did mention to her that the plywood carton was damaged,
so we opened it right away and inspected the contents, which looked to be in
good condition.)
Tawny: Well, if the shipment was signed for free and clear than there isn't much
we can do as far as filing a claim with UPS??? and??? ohhhh??? this material
was delivered way back in July.
Me: Yes, way back in July (2 months ago), but the packaging on this material was
not damaged in any way. Why would I have filed a freight damage claim? Also,
some of this material may not be used for many months, but... (interrupted)
Tawny: I can get you over to the order desk to place a new order for the part you
need.
Me: No, I would like to discuss the defective part I currently have.
She asked for the part number for the specific component, which I provided. She
tallied for a moment and stated (kind of to herself as she researched the part),
???there would be a freight charge.??? I was wondering, ???is she talking
to me???? She asked, ???you said that you have photos of the damage???? I
stated ???yes.??? She then asked if I could e-mail them over for the customer
service manager to take a look and see if there is anything they can do. I told
her I would... now I am waiting for their response.
It is hard to illustrate their willingness to blame me and/or the shipper. I didn???t
record the conversation, but I did take notes in order to capture the
highlights because I was afraid of this sort of reaction. They were ready for
me to just order another spar, something I will not be doing with them if it
is necessary. Perhaps they will come through.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264169#264169
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Oscar,
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> you can sort of get an idea of the height of mine
> relative to the underside of the centersection here:
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P7090010.JPG
Out of curiousity, what kind of tailwheel is on 41CC?
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Raymond,
After sitting behind 8031's rear windshield for about 3 hours on Friday
I can safely say that I'd like the rear windshield to be a bit higher.
Having also ridden in the front, I think it's windshield is about high
enough (it's 1-2" higher than the rear). Here's a couple pictures that
shows the difference between the 2:
http://picasaweb.google.com/josh.lober/FlyingOnJuly112009?authkey=Gv1sRgCPWEqvy-3NHvrAE#5357451455011562418
and
http://picasaweb.google.com/josh.lober/FlyingOnJuly112009?authkey=Gv1sRgCPWEqvy-3NHvrAE#5357452075866978146
Cheers,
Dan
skellytown flyer wrote:
>
> Well it looks like I have got done with my working away from home for a couple
weeks and have some time to build.I think one project will be get the windshields
done and on my GN-1 I got from D.J. - I expect I'll go with a single curved
shield as opposed to a 3 piece but looking at the West Coast Piet site I have
seen everything from tall narrow ones to big fat wide almost vertical ones
to even a flat plate type.I am hoping some of you that have experience in flying
behind them can give me your take on what works best to give the least turbulence
yet minimal drag. they probably don't go well together but anyway-I'd
appreciate some advice. Raymond
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | not piet related, but still from 1929... |
I was out in the back yard grilling some steaks Friday evening, and kept hearing
something with multiple radial engines invading my airspace. I looked up, and
saw a Ford TriMotor flying overhead. I went inside and did some quick Googling
and found out that the EAA's 1929 TriMotor was in town for the entire weekend
at Frasca Field about 4 miles from my house in Urbana, IL. So Saturday I
hopped on my motorcycle and rode over there with my camera and snapped a few
(187) photos of the TriMotor and some of the Frasca warbird collection that was
out for viewing. Here's a link the the album on the photobucket site.
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff297/billmz/Ford%20Trimotor/
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, Il
tail feathers almost done
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| Subject: | Re: not piet related, but still from 1929... |
Nice pictures, thanks for posting, I think Ford got after aviation when a
friend
of his got killed in the Fliver, I think that was the name of the plane.
Wooden single seat low wing that the Ford factory built.
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I was out in the back yard grilling some steaks Friday evening, and kept
> hearing something with multiple radial engines invading my airspace. I
> looked up, and saw a Ford TriMotor flying overhead. I went inside and did
> some quick Googling and found out that the EAA's 1929 TriMotor was in town
> for the entire weekend at Frasca Field about 4 miles from my house in
> Urbana, IL. So Saturday I hopped on my motorcycle and rode over there with
> my camera and snapped a few (187) photos of the TriMotor and some of the
> Frasca warbird collection that was out for viewing. Here's a link the the
> album on the photobucket site.
>
> http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff297/billmz/Ford%20Trimotor/
>
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, Il
> tail feathers almost done
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264266#264266
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: sketches and photos |
Bring me a CD to Lee Bottom please?
I'll be weraing a Jim Beam hat, I don't drink that much it was a cheap hat.
I'll have a 20 dollar bill for you if you got any left that is if not thats
ok.
Russell
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Group,
>
> I will not be mailing out CD=92s to individuals but rather thru the
> generosity of Chris Tracy,
> he has invited me to send him my batch of chicken-scratch sketches and so
me
> photos that
> he=92ll post to his fantastic Westcoast Piet site.
>
> Chris will let us know when those are up and ready for viewing.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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