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1. 08:52 AM - tailwheels (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 11:45 AM - Re: tailwheels (Dan Yocum)
3. 12:06 PM - Re: tailwheels (TOM STINEMETZE)
4. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Jim Irwin Call (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
5. 12:14 PM - Re: tailwheels (Ryan Mueller)
6. 12:23 PM - Re: tailwheels (Ryan Mueller)
7. 12:34 PM - Re: Jim Irwin Call (K5YAC)
8. 12:35 PM - West Coast Piet Get-together (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
9. 12:37 PM - Re: tailwheels (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: tailwheels (Rick Holland)
11. 12:52 PM - Re: tailwheels (Ryan Mueller)
12. 12:53 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (John Hofmann)
13. 01:33 PM - Re: How will the vendor do? (K5YAC)
14. 01:41 PM - Re: tailwheels (Doug Dever)
15. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: How will the vendor do? (r.r.hall@cox.net)
16. 01:57 PM - castoring vs. steerable (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 02:06 PM - Re: How will the vendor do? (K5YAC)
18. 02:23 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (mike)
19. 03:09 PM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Tim Willis)
20. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (Jim)
21. 05:14 PM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (helspersew@aol.com)
22. 06:13 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (Jack Phillips)
23. 06:23 PM - Re: tailwheels (Dan Yocum)
24. 06:23 PM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (mike)
25. 06:41 PM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Gene & Tammy)
26. 07:13 PM - Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (Dan Yocum)
27. 07:25 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
28. 07:26 PM - tail wheels (RBush96589@aol.com)
29. 07:56 PM - Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (Robert Ray)
30. 07:57 PM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
31. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (Jim)
32. 08:26 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (Darrel Jones)
33. 09:11 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (Gary Boothe)
34. 09:21 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (Gary Boothe)
35. 11:41 PM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together ()
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Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
> you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring
tailwheel. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. Here's a fuzzy
picture to show what I mean:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those prevent
it from castoring fully.
Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly: $1837.65
for the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to the hub and
wheel. Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular tailwheel dolly
thinga-ma-jig.
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan:
If you are looking for a nice, fully castering tailwheel unit that won't
break the bank, check out the ones that Ken Perkins has available. I
don't have my price list here at the office but as I recall it was a lot
closer to $500 than $1,000. Anyway, there are a couple of good photos
posted on my build site at this link.
http://www.eaa1344.com/Projects/Stinemetze/Gear.htm
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Irwin Call |
Mark,
=C2-
Mr. Jim Irwin is a frequent reader of many aircraft web sites such as this
one. I would personally address a call to him and explain your situation.
=C2-
I have spoken within him the past on issues I have had with product. It=C2
-has been=C2-my experience he maintains the=C2- "solution to the prob
lem" attitude which keeps me using AS&S often. Please mention to him you ar
e on the Pietenpol web site.
=C2-
This needs to be taken directly to the top and side step those who can't ma
ke the decision or read from a q-card.
=C2-
Sincerely,
=C2-
Village Idiot...
=C2-
--- On Mon, 9/21/09, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How will the vendor do?
E-mail message to Tawny Castillo (AS&S)
Tawny:
I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve attached a few photos (below) of the damage I f
ound on the spar material we spoke about earlier today.=C2- Fortunately,
this damage happened to be right about eye level when on my wing jig, other
wise it may have gone undetected.=C2- To me, this damage looked like noth
ing more than a scratch, but since I was uncertain, I called on several exp
erienced builders to get their opinion.=C2- One of the individuals that l
ooked at the damage in person is an A&P with Inspector Authorization.=C2-
He inspected it closely under magnification and stated that he believes th
at it is indeed a crack, and that the part should not be used.=C2- Furthe
rmore, this individual (and others) claim that the way this crack is distri
buted against the grain on one face and with the grain on another, that it
looks reminiscent of the type of damage done from a dull plainer blade or f
rom feeding the material too quickly.=C2- I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m not
suggesting that this IS what happened, just that
a few experienced woodworkers and air!
craft builders concur on this analysis.=C2-
I know that it is my responsibility to inspect and report any damage upon d
elivery that may have occurred during shipping, but as I stated during our
conversation, the carton that contained the wood kit showed no signs of dam
age.=C2- In fact, it was completely in tact and packaged very well.=C2-
Furthermore, even though I performed a preliminary inspection and inventor
y, some of this material may not be used for many months, therefore some it
ems may not get a close inspection for some time.=C2- If this type of dam
age were found on a less critical part I may just attempt a repair, or repl
ace it on my next order, but this is a critical and expensive component tha
t I expected to be in good condition given that it is certified material.
=C2- I will be paying close attention to the remaining parts.
Cordially,
Mark Chouinard
Owasso, Oklahoma
-----
I included the photos I posted on the other link for her to review.=C2- I
hope they are willing to assist.
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Per Ken's latest price list:
Tail wheel assy with mounting fittings 430.00
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *Dan:*
> **
> *If you are looking for a nice, fully castering tailwheel unit that won'tbreak
the bank, check out the ones that Ken Perkins has available. I don't
> have my price list here at the office but as I recall it was a lot closer to
> $500 than $1,000. Anyway, there are a couple of good photos posted on my
> build site at this link.*
> http://www.eaa1344.com/Projects/Stinemetze/Gear.htm
>
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS.*
>
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Tom,
Are you sure Ken's tailwheel is full-castoring, and not just steerable?
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *Dan:*
> **
> *If you are looking for a nice, fully castering tailwheel unit that won'tbreak
the bank, check out the ones that Ken Perkins has available. I don't
> have my price list here at the office but as I recall it was a lot closer to
> $500 than $1,000. Anyway, there are a couple of good photos posted on my
> build site at this link.*
> http://www.eaa1344.com/Projects/Stinemetze/Gear.htm
>
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS.*
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Irwin Call |
Thanks for the suggestion KM, I'll consider that if I get much run around. At
the moment, the customer support team seems to be making an attempt to study the
situation. I'm not in a huge hurry for this particular part, so I'll allow
them some time to maneuver. If it starts to look like they are unwilling to
correct the situation, then I will take measures to step it up a notch.
I made a comment to one of the customer support ladies today that I may have to
inform Mr. Irwin of my situation if I can't get someone to take the matter seriously.
About 5 minutes later I received a call back from the Customer Service
Manager. She seemed to be at least interested in reviewing the photos and
such, so I'll give a bit more time.
Maybe someone will call tomorrow with a solution.
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to face
s. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the mustache.
They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist
several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of Brodh
ead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ? Couldn't
tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
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Ryan:
Yes, it is full castoring and steerable. There is a spring loaded pin
that pops into a detent in the shaft. After a certain amount of side
pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel a full 360 degrees.
I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well it works in
practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
Tom
>>> Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> 9/22/2009 2:20 PM >>>
Tom,
Are you sure Ken's tailwheel is full-castoring, and not just steerable?
Ryan
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Matco is full castoring and only $149,
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/lg/tailwheels_matco.html
Rick
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
>> you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
>>
>
> Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring tailwheel.
> Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. Here's a fuzzy picture to show
> what I mean:
>
> http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
>
> The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those prevent it
> from castoring fully.
>
> Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly: $1837.65 for
> the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to the hub and wheel.
> Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular tailwheel dolly
> thinga-ma-jig.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Awesome! It was on the list of things to purchase...good to know.
do not archive
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:37 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *Ryan:*
> **
> *Yes, it is full castoring and steerable. There is a spring loaded pin
> that pops into a detent in the shaft. After a certain amount of side
> pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel a full 360 degrees. I'm
> still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well it works in
> practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.*
> **
> *Tom*
>
>
> >>> Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> 9/22/2009 2:20 PM >>>
> Tom,
>
> Are you sure Ken's tailwheel is full-castoring, and not just steerable?
>
> Ryan
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
Jim Boyer looks to be the "properly sized" one of the group. The rest
are way too tall. They will stick out of the cockpit like cartoons.
Better to be properly sized.
Gary has a nice shirt.
Do not archive.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Gary Boothe=97thanks for posting some good photos that help put names
> to faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
> Coast version of our East Coast Piet=92s Jack Phillips, minus the
> mustache. They sure look to be about the same height.
> Didn=92t you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you
> offlist several times. Would be great to meet all
> you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn=92t boot him out
> of Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
> Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy=97good to see who is who.
>
> So Charlie Miller=92s Piet that he flew in=97is that Ford powered ?
> Couldn=92t tell from the photo. Also you say it was
> Charlie=92s =93longest cross country=94 ? Could you elaborate any
?
>
> Thank you for posting=97
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Just a short to keep any interested parties posted...
I called to speak to Tawny today, but she was out for the day. I did get to speak
to Brenda, who was very nice. She wasn't familiar with the whole story, but
in just a few seconds she pulled up some notes and seemed to be concerned about
my situation. She wasn't sure what she could do on the matter because it
seemed (according to the notes) that Tawny and the production manager were looking
into things. Supposedly Tawny had attempted to forward the photos to the
production manager, but he replied (after she had left for the day), stating
that he did not receive the photos. Not a huge snag, but since I sent the photos
at 9am (CA time), nothing at all had been done to look into my situation.
At this point, I made reference to Mr. Irwin being copied on future correspondence
due to the lack of communication on their end. Brenda (who was pleasant
and concerned during the entire conversation) said she was going to speak to
her manager and someone would get back to me.
5 minutes later my phone rang... it was Carolyn, the Customer Service Manager.
She too seemed concerned about the situation. She was going to have someone
get on Tawny's computer and forward the photos to the other parties involved.
... ... ... Breaking ... ... ... Update ... ... ...
As I was typing this, I received a call from Tawny. I guess she came in to the
office this afternoon. She asked, "is someone taking care of the situation for
you?" and I said, "well, I'm not sure yet, but I did get a call from Carolyn
a little while ago." She said, "yeah, I came in and several people said (to
her) "hey, everyone was looking for you" so I was wondering who all you may
have talked to." She described it as quite a scuttlebutt. I said, "that's awesome!"
She said, "ok, well, I'll get with Joe (I think she said Joe... I'm assuming
he is the production manager) after he gets back from lunch and see what
he thinks about the photos.
At least there are signs of life, right?
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At the risk of having a hex put on me I'm going to put in my .02. Why does
it have to be full castoring? by having it direct steered you have much m
ore authority in a xwind. Most airplanes with the wheel on the wrong end d
on't swivel. With only a few lbs on the tailwheel wouldn't it be easy to j
ust pick it up if you need to park in a tight place. The Sonex (Go ahead h
it me...or hex me) has direct steering and with a few hundred flying I'd sa
y it works. (John Monnett doesn't believe in differential braking.)
Also I've seen a couple of pictures of tailwheels steered with a linkage t
o the rudder. According to Don pietenpol this is a no no. Puts too much s
trees on the rudder spar. I would agree. It should be linked directly to
the rudder bar.
OK=2C you can put a hex on me me now. I'm done. Just kidding. But=2C I t
hink it is food for thought.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: TOMS@mcpcity.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels
Ryan:
Yes=2C it is full castoring and steerable. There is a spring loaded pin th
at pops into a detent in the shaft. After a certain amount of side pressur
e the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel a full 360 degrees. I'm still
in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well it works in practice but
I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
Tom
>>> Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> 9/22/2009 2:20 PM >>>
Tom=2C
Are you sure Ken's tailwheel is full-castoring=2C and not just steerable?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Namedropper :-) Hope it all works out.
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:33 PM , K5YAC wrote:
> Just a short to keep any interested parties posted...
>
> I called to speak to Tawny today, but she was out for the day. I did
> get to speak to Brenda, who was very nice. She wasn't familiar with
> the whole story, but in just a few seconds she pulled up some notes
> and seemed to be concerned about my situation. She wasn't sure what
> she could do on the matter because it seemed (according to the notes)
> that Tawny and the production manager were looking into things.
> Supposedly Tawny had attempted to forward the photos to the production
> manager, but he replied (after she had left for the day), stating that
> he did not receive the photos. Not a huge snag, but since I sent the
> photos at 9am (CA time), nothing at all had been done to look into my
> situation. At this point, I made reference to Mr. Irwin being copied
> on future correspondence due to the lack of communication on their
> end. Brenda (who was pleasant and concerned during the entire
> conversation) said she was going to speak to her manager and someone
> would get back to me.
>
> 5 minutes later my phone rang... it was Carolyn, the Customer Service
> Manager. She too seemed concerned about the situation. She was going
> to have someone get on Tawny's computer and forward the photos to the
> other parties involved.
>
> ... ... ... Breaking ... ... ... Update ... ... ...
>
> As I was typing this, I received a call from Tawny. I guess she came
> in to the office this afternoon. She asked, "is someone taking care
> of the situation for you?" and I said, "well, I'm not sure yet, but I
> did get a call from Carolyn a little while ago." She said, "yeah, I
> came in and several people said (to her) "hey, everyone was looking
> for you" so I was wondering who all you may have talked to." She
> described it as quite a scuttlebutt. I said, "that's awesome!" She
> said, "ok, well, I'll get with Joe (I think she said Joe... I'm
> assuming he is the production manager) after he gets back from lunch
> and see what he thinks about the photos.
> At least there are signs of life, right?
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264373#264373
>
>
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| Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
I had some very dangerous moments with my "Homebuilder's Special" tailwheel
that I bought from Wicks or ACS
as it came out of steerable mode way too easy.
I nearly ground looped the airplane twice and lest I poured the coals to it
and went around the plane would have been
a total wreck before having 3 hours on it.
I took the tailwheel apart and Dremel-tooled out the detent where the cam t
ype affair makes it go from steerable to
full swivel. If I need to push the plane backwards I simply grab the tail
spring and lift up, pull where I want it. Very light
back there.
Most Scott's and Maule's work okay and don't suddenly go into full swivel j
ust as you touch down but if you jab the rudder
hard and you come out of detent-lookout. Add power to get your rudder wi
nd going and go around. Scary stuff if it comes
out of full swivel too easily.
There is a spring loaded pin that pops into a detent in the shaft. After a
certain amount of side pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel
a full 360 degrees. I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you ho
w well it works in practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
I'm also a money dropper (as we all are), so they will hopefully give the situation
proper consideration.
Say that 5 times.
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
I'm flattered. That's the first straightforward compliment I've gotten in
my years on this list. Thanks Mike.
Looks are about the end of similarity, though. I can talk the talk, but
Jack actually walks the walk.
The WCP meet was very inspiring. We got to see two projects at a good stage
and a beautifully done flying Piet.
I was fired up enough to cut some control horn metal when I got home.
Mike Hardaway
(I'm taller than Jack)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to
faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the mustache.
They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist
several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of
Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ? Couldn't
tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
Sounds like "full swivel castoring" is inviting something else to go wrong. Second,
swinging the plane by hand when stopped is easy, for it's light, as Mike
points out, if you have handles or want to grab some of the tailwheel gear.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Sep 22, 2009 4:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
I had some very dangerous moments with my Homebuilders Special tailwheel that I
bought from Wicks or ACS
as it came out of steerable mode way too easy.
I nearly ground looped the airplane twice and lest I poured the coals to it and
went around the plane would have been
a total wreck before having 3 hours on it.
I took the tailwheel apart and Dremel-tooled out the detent where the cam type
affair makes it go from steerable to
full swivel. If I need to push the plane backwards I simply grab the tail spring
and lift up, pull where I want it. Very light
back there.
Most Scotts and Maules work okay and dont suddenly go into full swivel just as
you touch down but if you jab the rudder
hard and you come out of detentlookout. Add power to get your rudder wind going
and go around. Scary stuff if it comes out of full swivel too easily.
There is a spring loaded pin that pops into a detent in the shaft. After a certain
amount of side pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel a full
360 degrees. I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well it
works in practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
Thanks John;
I thought I was the right size also. It would help if there were a little less
of me in the middle though. I did get in Dick Navratil's Piet at Brodhead this
summer but got one foot hung up trying to get out.
Charlie's Piet was very well done; glad he was able to fly it to Lincoln.
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
On Sep 22, 2009, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> wrote:
Jim Boyer looks to be the "properly sized" one of the group. The rest are way too
tall. They will stick out of the cockpit like cartoons. Better to be properly
sized.
Gary has a nice shirt.
Do not archive.
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On Sep 22, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
wrote:
Gary Boothethanks for posting some good photos that help put names to faces. Mike
Hardaway looks to be a WestCoast version of our East Coast Piets Jack Phillips,
minus the mustache. They sure look to be about the same height.Didnt you
fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist several times. Would
be great to meet allyou infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didnt boot
him out of Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,Jim boyer, and Chris Tracygood
to see who is who.So Charlie Millers Piet that he flew inis that Ford powered
? Couldnt tell from the photo. Also you say it wasCharlies longest cross country
? Could you elaborate any ?Thank you for postingMike C.
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| Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
Mike Cuy,
My tailwheel as designed is full swivel/not steerable. In your opinion, is
this not advised? Wouldn't the slipstream keep that wheel in line with th
e line of flight, and theoretically be not a hazard upon touchdown?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
net>
Sounds like "full swivel castoring" is inviting something else to go wrong
.
econd, swinging the plane by hand when stopped is easy, for it's light, as
Mike
oints out, if you have handles or want to grab some of the tailwheel gear.
im in central TX
o not archive
-----Original Message-----
rom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
ent: Sep 22, 2009 4:57 PM
o: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com"
ubject: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
I had some very dangerous moments with my =9CHomebuilder=99s
Special=9D tailwheel that
bought from Wicks or ACS
s it came out of steerable mode way too easy.
nearly ground looped the airplane twice and lest I poured the coals to it
and
ent around the plane would have been
total wreck before having 3 hours on it.
took the tailwheel apart and Dremel-tooled out the detent where the cam
type
ffair makes it go from steerable to
ull swivel. If I need to push the plane b
ackwards I simply grab the tail
pring and lift up, pull where I want it. Very light
ack there.
ost Scott=99s and Maule=99s work okay and don=99t sudden
ly go into full swivel just
s you touch down but if you jab the rudder
ard and you come out of detent=94lookout. Add power to get your
rudder wind
oing and go around. Scary stuff if it comes out of full swivel too easi
ly.
here is a spring loaded pin that pops into a detent in the shaft. After
a
ertain amount of side pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel
a full
60 degrees. I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well
it
orks in practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
We'll have to do something about all those mountains in the way so the
California guys can fly their Piets to Brodhead. I get anxious enough
flying over the Appalachians, but I can't imagine threading a Pietenpol
through the passes in the Sierra Nevadas or the Rockies. Of course, you can
always go around them via El Paso, but that just makes a long trip even
longer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
Do Not Archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
I'm flattered. That's the first straightforward compliment I've gotten in
my years on this list. Thanks Mike.
Looks are about the end of similarity, though. I can talk the talk, but
Jack actually walks the walk.
The WCP meet was very inspiring. We got to see two projects at a good stage
and a beautifully done flying Piet.
I was fired up enough to cut some control horn metal when I got home.
Mike Hardaway
(I'm taller than Jack)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to
faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the mustache.
They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist
several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of
Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ? Couldn't
tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
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Rick Holland wrote:
> Matco is full castoring and only $149,
I've heard rumor that the Matco's (or was that Maule...?) like to shimmy
during taxi. I've had enough experience with the Scott on the T-Craft I
got my tailwheel endorsement in that I like it and it takes quite a lot
of side force to kick it out of the detent into full castoring mode.
The problem I have to deal with is that the tail of 8031 isn't all
*that* light, the original builder didn't put any sort of handle back
there, and there's a slight gravel and grass hill up to the hangar where
she's stored.
I made a dolly out of plywood and three 4" castoring wheels that the
tailwheel sits in and that works pretty well. For under $20, it works
pretty well and is a whole lot cheaper than buying a new Scott tailwheel.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/lg/tailwheels_matco.html
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov
> <mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>>
>
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> <taildrags@hotmail.com <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>>
>
>
> Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
> you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
>
>
> Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring
> tailwheel. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. Here's a
> fuzzy picture to show what I mean:
>
> http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
>
> The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those
> prevent it from castoring fully.
>
> Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly:
> $1837.65 for the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to
> the hub and wheel. Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular
> tailwheel dolly thinga-ma-jig.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
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| Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
If your tail wheel is truly freely castoring and not at all linked to the
rudder and/or rudder pedals (unlikely in these modern times), the hazard is
not at touchdown when there is a sufficient relative wind over the vertical
stab and rudder to maintain directional control. The problem comes up as
the airspeed decreases and you are depending more on the tail wheel for
directional control. A freely castoring, non-steerable, tail wheel is
impossible to control while rolling out or taxiing in a strong crosswind
unless you have really, really, good differential braking and dancing feet.
What Mike C. and most others have is a steerable tail wheel that, when a
large enough side load is put on it, breaks free from the steering control
and swivels (freely castors). Then it is only controllable with
differential brakes and is useful for very tight turns, such as lining up
with the hangar door or tie down spot or doing a pre-takeoff clearing turn.
When rolling straight, the tail wheel again locks to the steering control.
By Mike C's mod to the detent, he increased the amount of side load required
for breaking free.
If you really do not want steerability in your tail wheel, at least provide
a locking mechanism that holds it straight while taxiing or rolling during
TO or landing.
Mike Hardaway
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
Mike Cuy,
My tailwheel as designed is full swivel/not steerable. In your opinion, is
this not advised? Wouldn't the slipstream keep that wheel in line with the
line of flight, and theoretically be not a hazard upon touchdown?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sounds like "full swivel castoring" is inviting something else to go wrong.
Second, swinging the plane by hand when stopped is easy, for it's light, as
Mike
points out, if you have handles or want to grab some of the tailwheel gear.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Sep 22, 2009 4:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
I had some very dangerous moments with my "Homebuilder's Special" tailwheel
that 0D
I bought from Wicks or ACS
as it came out of steerable mode way too easy.
I nearly ground looped the airplane twice and lest I poured the coals to it
and
went around the plane would have been
a total wreck before having 3 hours on it.
I took the tailwheel apart and Dremel-tooled out the detent where the cam
type
affair makes it go from steerable to
full swivel. If I need to push the plane backwards I simply grab the tail
spring and lift up, pull where I want it. Very light
back there.
Most Scott's and Maule's work okay and don't suddenly go into full swivel
just
as you touch down but if you jab the rudder
hard and you come out of detent-lookout. Add power to get your rudder
wind
going and go around. Scary stuff if it comes out of full swivel too
easily.
There is a spring loaded pin that pops into a detent in the shaft. After a
certain amount of side pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel a
full
360 degrees. I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well
it
works in practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
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Great post Mike! You explained it very well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: mike
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
If your tail wheel is truly freely castoring and not at all linked to
the rudder and/or rudder pedals (unlikely in these modern times), the
hazard is not at touchdown when there is a sufficient relative wind over
the vertical stab and rudder to maintain directional control. The
problem comes up as the airspeed decreases and you are depending more on
the tail wheel for directional control. A freely castoring,
non-steerable, tail wheel is impossible to control while rolling out or
taxiing in a strong crosswind unless you have really, really, good
differential braking and dancing feet.
What Mike C. and most others have is a steerable tail wheel that, when
a large enough side load is put on it, breaks free from the steering
control and swivels (freely castors). Then it is only controllable with
differential brakes and is useful for very tight turns, such as lining
up with the hangar door or tie down spot or doing a pre-takeoff clearing
turn. When rolling straight, the tail wheel again locks to the steering
control. By Mike C's mod to the detent, he increased the amount of side
load required for breaking free.
If you really do not want steerability in your tail wheel, at least
provide a locking mechanism that holds it straight while taxiing or
rolling during TO or landing.
Mike Hardaway
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:29 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
Mike Cuy,
My tailwheel as designed is full swivel/not steerable. In your
opinion, is this not advised? Wouldn't the slipstream keep that wheel in
line with the line of flight, and theoretically be not a hazard upon
touchdown?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sounds like "full swivel castoring" is inviting something else to go
wrong.
Second, swinging the plane by hand when stopped is easy, for it's light,
as Mike
points out, if you have handles or want to grab some of the tailwheel
gear.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Sep 22, 2009 4:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
I had some very dangerous moments with my "Homebuilder's Special"
tailwheel that 0D
I bought from Wicks or ACS
as it came out of steerable mode way too easy.
I nearly ground looped the airplane twice and lest I poured the coals to
it and
went around the plane would have been
a total wreck before having 3 hours on it.
I took the tailwheel apart and Dremel-tooled out the detent where the
cam type
affair makes it go from steerable to
full swivel. If I need to push the plane backwards I simply grab the
tail
spring and lift up, pull where I want it. Very light
back there.
Most Scott's and Maule's work okay and don't suddenly go into full
swivel just
as you touch down but if you jab the rudder
hard and you come out of detent-lookout. Add power to get your rudder
wind
going and go around. Scary stuff if it comes out of full swivel too
easily.
There is a spring loaded pin that pops into a detent in the shaft.
After a
certain amount of side pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will
swivel a full
360 degrees. I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how
well it
works in practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
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| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
The plot thickens, possibly.
I have verified that putting the switch in the off position shuts the
engine down, so the mags aren't hot. That's a plus.
When at idle, switching between L, R, and Both, I can definitely tell
that there is an RPM drop, at least audibly. So why not at 1400RPM?
I'll check for a light show under the cowl as soon as I can...
Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be
related - are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if
I can get 2050 RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel
Schembler Carb with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on
climb out.
Thanks everyone!
Dan
shad bell wrote:
> Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the
> engine case (ground) Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the
> problems A megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts,
> the high voltage of the megger will jump a pretty good gap. One other
> hillbilly sugestion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and
> see if there is a light show under the cowling from a bad harness,
> faulty wire insulation etc. causing a "leak". Also one w.a.g. is that
> your switch might have bad isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark
> due to it partially shorting out. I also had one hell of an experiance
> years ago with an old tractor (IH Cub)with a batt ignition, where the
> condenser (capasitor) went bad and caused a weak spark, to where the
> tractor would not start, replaced it still would not start. Hours, and
> a few days of scratching my head, I had put the condenser in backwords
> (on the ground side, instead of the hot side) . I still got spark, but
> a very weak spark. After I put it on right it fired right up, and I
> picked up the beer bottles and mowed the yard. Just a few things to
> check, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
>
> Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
> Shad
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum /<yocum@fnal.gov>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:26 PM
>
> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn
> off the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a
> fantastic 1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind
> was calm, and I even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet!
> What a great night.
>
> Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when
> checking the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as
> advertised, so I don't think the mags are hot.
>
> Googling suggests the following:
>
> 1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
> 2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
> 3. Defective ignition switch
> 4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
> (Bendix S-1200 series mags)
> 5. Open magneto capacitors.
>
> I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific
> warnings are applicable.
>
> Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective
> ignition switch.
>
> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
That's GREAT Mike Hardaway that your West Coast Piet gathering got you fired up
enough to cut some control horn metal when you
got home. Excellent.
As I recall not only did you fly jets in (was it Vietnam ?) but you're one of the
few attorneys that I actually really respect. (plus you're
building a Pietenpol---you have to be a decent sort.
So you are taller than East Coast Jack Phillips ? Are you building (I shouldn't
even ask) the long fuselage version ?
Madison John Hofmann likes to use that term "properly sized person". First time
he said that it took me a few seconds but
then ever since it always makes me smile at the creativeness of it.
Mike C.
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Dan I have the Matco that Rick was talking about on my plane. I have had no
problems at all with it. It works great and is inexpensive.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
A condition exist at idle that's doesn't at higher RPM, could the windings
of the coils become grounded with more centrifugal force and be touching
ground some where in the housing? This would shut down one mag at a certain
RPM. Is there a short in the coils that becomes more prevalent when
RPM is increased because of inductance? This is possible with infinite
variables? What is affected with increase in RPM, it is a mechanical
and electrical device so which issue is it? Possibly a capacitor whose
capacitance is also variable with RPM may be reaching a cut off point
because of leakage or other break down? It seems it would be something
common to the entire mag rather than a separate plug wire, something
thats common to all the plugs and winding?
Keep us posted.
Russell
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> The plot thickens, possibly.
>
> I have verified that putting the switch in the off position shuts the
> engine down, so the mags aren't hot. That's a plus.
>
> When at idle, switching between L, R, and Both, I can definitely tell that
> there is an RPM drop, at least audibly. So why not at 1400RPM?
>
> I'll check for a light show under the cowl as soon as I can...
>
> Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be related -
> are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if I can get 2050
> RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel Schembler Carb
> with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on climb out.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Dan
>
>
> shad bell wrote:
>
>> Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the engine
>> case (ground) Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the problems A
>> megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts, the high
>> voltage of the megger will jump a pretty good gap. One other hillbilly
>> sugestion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and see if there
>> is a light show under the cowling from a bad harness, faulty wire insulation
>> etc. causing a "leak". Also one w.a.g. is that your switch might have bad
>> isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark due to it partially shorting
>> out. I also had one hell of an experiance years ago with an old tractor (IH
>> Cub)with a batt ignition, where the condenser (capasitor) went bad and
>> caused a weak spark, to where the tractor would not start, replaced it still
>> would not start. Hours, and a few days of scratching my head, I had put the
>> condenser in backwords (on the ground side, instead of the hot side) . I
>> still got spark, but a very weak spark. After I put it on right it fired
>> right up, and I picked up the beer bottles and mowed the yard. Just a few
>> things to check, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
>> Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
>> Shad
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum /<yocum@fnal.gov>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:26 PM
>>
>> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn
>> off the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a
>> fantastic 1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind
>> was calm, and I even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet! What
>> a great night.
>>
>> Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when
>> checking the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as
>> advertised, so I don't think the mags are hot.
>>
>> Googling suggests the following:
>>
>> 1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
>> 2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
>> 3. Defective ignition switch
>> 4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
>> (Bendix S-1200 series mags)
>> 5. Open magneto capacitors.
>>
>> I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific
>> warnings are applicable.
>>
>> Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective
>> ignition switch.
>>
>> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov
>> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>,
>> http://fermigrid.fnal.gov <http://fermigrid.fnal.gov/>
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| Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
Dan,
The Homebuilder's Special tailwheel that I have (which I believe is what Ken
Perkins might be using as a basis/ foundation for his steerable/full swiveling
unit)
is always steerable (it doesn't free castor like a grocery cart wheel unless you
put enough force on it during ground maneuvering/braking or if you kick it with
your foot to let it pivot around (like your Sedan probably does) so you can back
your/push your plane in the hangar.
My trouble came from the fact that just a little push on the rudder bar got this
thing to come out of steerable mode and into full swivel when I didn't want
it to. I was having the thing come out of steerable mode on landings----holy moly
is that scary ! You're better off with a tail skid and small keel on it
than
you might be with an 'always castoring' tailwheel.
Just my thoughts-- I've never flown anything that had a free-wheeling tailwheel,
thus the reasons for some planes like Pitts, DC-3's etc. having locking
tailwheels for takeoffs and landings---so it stays put---perfectly in line with
the runway.
The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my opinion--there
may be some other very good reasons why this might be wrong) is when
you're going less than 5 mph.
I forced my tailwheel unit (by way of Dremel tooling out that pin/detent/cam mechanism)
to not be able to go into full swivel or castoring mode. It is
steerable only. Hope this helps.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
Hi Jack,
Our West Coast Piet group is talking about trying to get a group to Brodhead in
2011. I think getting there is the easy part; its the prevailing headwind coming
back that would make it really a long trip.
Maybe we could get a special truck freight rate for the return trip.
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
On Sep 22, 2009, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Well have to do something about all those mountains in the way so the California
guys can fly their Piets to Brodhead. I get anxious enough flying over the Appalachians,
but I cant imagine threading a Pietenpol through the passes in the
Sierra Nevadas or the Rockies. Of course, you can always go around them via
El Paso, but that just makes a long trip even longer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
Do Not Archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
I'm flattered. That's the first straightforward compliment I've gotten in my years
on this list. Thanks Mike.
Looks are about the end of similarity, though. I can talk the talk, but Jack actually
walks the walk.
The WCP meet was very inspiring. We got to see two projects at a good stage and
a beautifully doneflying Piet.
I was fired up enough to cut some control horn metal when I got home.
Mike Hardaway
(I'm taller than Jack)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothethanks for posting some good photos that help put names to faces. Mike
Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piets Jack Phillips, minus the mustache. They sure
look to be about the same height.
Didnt you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist several
times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didnt boot him out of Brodhead. Darrel
Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracygood to see who is who.
So Charlie Millers Piet that he flew inis that Ford powered ? Couldnt tell from
the photo. Also you say it was
Charlies longest cross country ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
Three of my trips to Oshkosh have been up through Oregon and Washington,
through Glacier Park Pass and across Montana. It's a long flight but the
highest elevation through passes (over roads) is only about 4000' to
5000'. A lot of beautiful country also. Flying across Wyoming with the
airport elevations at 7000' and density altitude at 9000' to 11,000' is
a real challenge. The headwinds are also about ten miles per hour faster
that a Piet will fly.
We'll just have to take a couple months off in the middle of summer to
bring them out.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Well have to do something about all those mountains in the way so the
> California guys can fly their Piets to Brodhead. I get anxious enough
> flying over the Appalachians, but I cant imagine threading a
> Pietenpol through the passes in the Sierra Nevadas or the Rockies. Of
> course, you can always go around them via El Paso, but that just makes
> a long trip even longer.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
Jack,
It's simple.8,000' over the Donner Pass, I 80 directly below!
I jest, of course. We definitely need to think it through..El Paso seems
like such a long way out of the way..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
We'll have to do something about all those mountains in the way so the
California guys can fly their Piets to Brodhead. I get anxious enough
flying over the Appalachians, but I can't imagine threading a Pietenpol
through the passes in the Sierra Nevadas or the Rockies. Of course, you can
always go around them via El Paso, but that just makes a long trip even
longer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
Do Not Archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
I'm flattered. That's the first straightforward compliment I've gotten in
my years on this list. Thanks Mike.
Looks are about the end of similarity, though. I can talk the talk, but
Jack actually walks the walk.
The WCP meet was very inspiring. We got to see two projects at a good stage
and a beautifully done flying Piet.
I was fired up enough to cut some control horn metal when I got home.
Mike Hardaway
(I'm taller than Jack)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to
faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the mustache.
They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist
several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of
Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ? Couldn't
tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
Mike,
Charlie Miller's Piet was a joint project with his father, to whom Charlie
gives major credit. It is actually a very touching story..
He confessed that it was about 165 miles (don't laugh, Jack!). Charlie gets
great pleasure out of local flights and lives in a very beautiful part of
California. It's a 65 Continental, but is well healed with somewhere around
24 gallons of fuel, if I remember correctly. He is very interested in the
en-mass gaggle of Piets to Brodhead in 2011!!! I think we may use him for
in-flight refueling..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to
faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the mustache.
They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist
several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of
Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ? Couldn't
tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
Charlie Miller's Piet. One correction, it has a C-85.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Mike,
Charlie Miller's Piet was a joint project with his father, to whom
Charlie gives major credit. It is actually a very touching story..
He confessed that it was about 165 miles (don't laugh, Jack!). Charlie
gets great pleasure out of local flights and lives in a very beautiful
part of California. It's a 65 Continental, but is well healed with
somewhere around 24 gallons of fuel, if I remember correctly. He is very
interested in the en-mass gaggle of Piets to Brodhead in 2011!!! I think
we may use him for in-flight refueling..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to
faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the
mustache. They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you
offlist several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of
Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ?
Couldn't tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
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