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1. 04:08 AM - Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (Jack Phillips)
2. 04:08 AM - Re: tail wheels (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:08 AM - Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (Gene & Tammy)
4. 04:41 AM - A-65 redline (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
5. 05:39 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 05:40 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Scott Knowlton)
7. 06:11 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Jack Phillips)
8. 06:26 AM - West Coast Piet Get-together (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 06:52 AM - A-65 redline (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 07:11 AM - Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (tkreiner)
11. 07:14 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (shad bell)
12. 07:23 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Doug Dever)
13. 07:52 AM - Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (Dan Yocum)
14. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (Dan Yocum)
15. 08:21 AM - Re: A-65 redline (Lagowski Morrow)
16. 08:52 AM - Newbie (James Sinnott)
17. 08:58 AM - Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Mike Scovel)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Newbie (Matt Redmond)
19. 09:12 AM - Re: Newbie (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
20. 09:12 AM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Matt Redmond)
21. 09:21 AM - Re: Newbie (airlion)
22. 09:42 AM - Re: Newbie (Jeff Boatright)
23. 09:53 AM - Re: Newbie (Jack Phillips)
24. 10:04 AM - Re: How will the vendor do? (K5YAC)
25. 10:13 AM - Re: tailwheels (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
26. 10:17 AM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Mike Scovel)
27. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: How will the vendor do? (Jack Phillips)
28. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: How will the vendor do? (Bill Church)
29. 10:33 AM - Re: Newbie (K5YAC)
30. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Matt Redmond)
31. 10:51 AM - need aluminum sheet (skellytown flyer)
32. 10:56 AM - Re: Newbie (tkreiner)
33. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: How will the vendor do? (Jeff Boatright)
34. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Bill Church)
35. 11:33 AM - aluminum (skellytown flyer)
36. 11:43 AM - Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (BYD)
37. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: How will the vendor do? (Rick Holland)
38. 12:16 PM - Re: aluminum (Jim Markle)
39. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Newbie (Matt Redmond)
40. 12:17 PM - Re: Newbie (Rick Holland)
41. 12:17 PM - Re: West Coast Gang (Gary Boothe)
42. 12:18 PM - congratulations to Aircraft Spruce (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
43. 12:18 PM - Re: need aluminum sheet (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
44. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Piet Get-together (Gary Boothe)
45. 12:19 PM - Re: aluminum (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
46. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Newbie (Jeff Boatright)
47. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Newbie (John Hofmann)
48. 12:23 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Doug Dever)
49. 12:25 PM - Re: congratulations to Aircraft Spruce (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
50. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Newbie (John Hofmann)
51. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Dan Yocum)
52. 12:48 PM - Re: congratulations to Aircraft Spruce (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
53. 01:23 PM - Re: aluminum (skellytown flyer)
54. 01:39 PM - Re: aluminum (TulsaFlyer)
55. 02:21 PM - More About A/S from Big Piets (Barry Davis)
56. 02:55 PM - Re: aluminum (skellytown flyer)
57. 03:12 PM - Re: cables and turnbuckles! (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
58. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: How will the vendor do? (Jim Markle)
59. 03:42 PM - Re: Newbie (tkreiner)
60. 04:17 PM - Re: How will the vendor do? (K5YAC)
61. 05:00 PM - First Flight (kevinpurtee)
62. 05:12 PM - Re: tailwheels (steven sadler)
63. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: How will the vendor do? (Gene & Tammy)
64. 06:33 PM - Re: First Flight (K5YAC)
65. 06:51 PM - Re: First Flight (Dan Yocum)
66. 07:04 PM - Re: First Flight (Jack Phillips)
67. 07:08 PM - Re: First Flight (Gary Boothe)
68. 07:22 PM - Re: First Flight (Jerry Dotson)
69. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Gang (Robert Ray)
70. 07:33 PM - spar material inspection questions (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
71. 07:35 PM - Re: aluminum (Robert Ray)
72. 07:48 PM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Clif Dawson)
73. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: West Coast Gang (Gary Boothe)
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Subject: | No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Sounds like you have a cruise prop on it. I have what is supposed to be a
climb prop on mine and get about 2100 RPM static, and climb at 2150. At
full throttle in level flight I can't quite reach redline, so I need a bit
less prop as well. To actually get 65 hp from an A65, it needs to be
turning at 2300 RPM.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
The plot thickens, possibly.
I have verified that putting the switch in the off position shuts the
engine down, so the mags aren't hot. That's a plus.
When at idle, switching between L, R, and Both, I can definitely tell
that there is an RPM drop, at least audibly. So why not at 1400RPM?
I'll check for a light show under the cowl as soon as I can...
Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be
related - are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if
I can get 2050 RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel
Schembler Carb with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on
climb out.
Thanks everyone!
Dan
shad bell wrote:
> Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the
> engine case (ground) Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the
> problems A megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts,
> the high voltage of the megger will jump a pretty good gap. One other
> hillbilly sugestion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and
> see if there is a light show under the cowling from a bad harness,
> faulty wire insulation etc. causing a "leak". Also one w.a.g. is that
> your switch might have bad isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark
> due to it partially shorting out. I also had one hell of an experiance
> years ago with an old tractor (IH Cub)with a batt ignition, where the
> condenser (capasitor) went bad and caused a weak spark, to where the
> tractor would not start, replaced it still would not start. Hours, and
> a few days of scratching my head, I had put the condenser in backwords
> (on the ground side, instead of the hot side) . I still got spark, but
> a very weak spark. After I put it on right it fired right up, and I
> picked up the beer bottles and mowed the yard. Just a few things to
> check, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
>
> Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
> Shad
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum /<yocum@fnal.gov>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:26 PM
>
> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn
> off the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a
> fantastic 1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind
> was calm, and I even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet!
> What a great night.
>
> Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when
> checking the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as
> advertised, so I don't think the mags are hot.
>
> Googling suggests the following:
>
> 1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
> 2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
> 3. Defective ignition switch
> 4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
> (Bendix S-1200 series mags)
> 5. Open magneto capacitors.
>
> I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific
> warnings are applicable.
>
> Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective
> ignition switch.
>
> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> -- Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov
> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>,
> http://fermigrid.fnal.gov <http://fermigrid.fnal.gov/>
> Fermilab. .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.matroni;
> -Maww.matronics.com/contribution" ======
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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I've got the same thing on mine
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RBush96589@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail wheels
Dan I have the Matco that Rick was talking about on my plane. I have had no
problems at all with it. It works great and is inexpensive.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Dan, Red Line on the A 65 should be 2300 and cruise is 2150. Yes, you
should be able to get red line at cruise. I'm sure you don't want to hear
this but I wouldn't fly again until an A & P (with experience with the A 65)
checks it out. What does your oil pressure show at idle? At cruise? Some
of the possibilites....Worn out engine, wrong prop or bad RPM gage. I'm
sure there are other possibilites, but I'm not a A & P.
Gene
N502R
.
>
> I> Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be
> related - are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if
> I can get 2050 RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel
> Schembler Carb with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on
> climb out.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Dan
>
>
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17:54:00
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Dan,
I can get about 2250 full throttle, level flight, almost 2300 rpm.
Static---I forget. Around 2050, 2100 ?
Running at wood 72-42 prop.
Mike C.
(you might consider using an infrared/ non-contact handheld digital tach meter
to see how accurate your tach is)
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Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my
opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be wrong) is
when
you're going less than 5 mph.
Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I thought
I was all done with that!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
Dan,
I do a lot of tailwheel instruction up here in Canada and can tell you that you
would do yourself a big favour investigating a steerable tailwheel the has the
ability to lock (ie Scott or Maul). I have flown and taught with both and have
a great degree of respect for pilots who can make a castoring tailwheel do
what they want all of the time.
As Mike mentioned, you don't want to be in the situation where your tailwheel castors
the nose of the aircraft into wind on roll out from a landing. Other than
differntial braking (a hazard on its own at that speed) you really have no
alternative than to go around. You are correct to assume that initially the
slipstream will keep your tailwheel aligned with the direction of flight but your
landing happens in stages, and for each stage different control forces are
used. Initially in a crosswind, it is all rudder and aileron through flare and
touchdown. As the airflow over these control surfaces diminishes through the
roll out, greater reliance is placed on the tailwheel to maintain the centreline
of the runway (especially so on tarmac verses grass). You are still using
rudder and aileron but now a lot of the rudder input translates to pressure
in the same direction on the tailwheel. There is a point in this transition
where differential braking can be useful too but from approximately 30 kts down
to about 10 I would strongly encourage no braking at all. It is within this
range that your tailwheel design is most noticeable. A properly designed steerable
tailwheel will keep you out of the rhubarb. The lock on that very same
wheel is really only required for low speed taxiing and manoeuvering in small
spaces (or as Mike referred to, pushing your bird backwards into a hangar. At
that point, it unlocks and allows the tail to fully castor a la shopping cart.
Grass is obviously more forgiving and the above description is less important.
Anyone else with a castoring tailwheel on a piet please feel free to jump
in and shoot Scotty down.
Scott Knowlton
(slow builder in Burlington)
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
Mike Cuy,
My tailwheel as designed is full swivel/not steerable. In your opinion, is this
not advised? Wouldn't the slipstream keep that wheel in line with the line of
flight, and theoretically be not a hazard upon touchdown?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
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Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
Scott,
I agree completely with your assessment. In my opinion (and you know what
they say about opinions), if you are flying off pavement, you want a
steerable tailwheel and brakes. If flying strictly off grass, you just need
a tailskid and no brakes. Those are the only two combinations I would
advise.
Last weekend I talked with Jimmy Dean, a retired Piedmont Airlines pilot,
who has a nice Model A Ford powered Piet which is badly in need of
recovering. Jimmy has his own grass strip and the Piet has a tailskid and
no brakes. He told me he is going to re-do the Pietenpol, and will put a
tailwheel on it, but no brakes. I told him to let me know when he flies it
into a paved field and parks on a ramp full of airplanes, because I want to
be there and watch! I remember when I first did taxi tests on my Piet and
hadn't bled the brakes properly. Even with a steerable tailwheel, having no
brakes left me with almost no control for parking. That thing would just
roll forever!
BTW Mike Cuy, Jimmy's wife Connie (who is a VERY nice looking lady) said she
still remembers you (she did have a funny look on her face when she said
that, though).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
<flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
Dan,
I do a lot of tailwheel instruction up here in Canada and can tell you that
you would do yourself a big favour investigating a steerable tailwheel the
has the ability to lock (ie Scott or Maul). I have flown and taught with
both and have a great degree of respect for pilots who can make a castoring
tailwheel do what they want all of the time.
As Mike mentioned, you don't want to be in the situation where your
tailwheel castors the nose of the aircraft into wind on roll out from a
landing. Other than differntial braking (a hazard on its own at that speed)
you really have no alternative than to go around. You are correct to assume
that initially the slipstream will keep your tailwheel aligned with the
direction of flight but your landing happens in stages, and for each stage
different control forces are used. Initially in a crosswind, it is all
rudder and aileron through flare and touchdown. As the airflow over these
control surfaces diminishes through the roll out, greater reliance is placed
on the tailwheel to maintain the centreline of the runway (especially so on
tarmac verses grass). You are still using rudder and aileron but now a lot
of the rudder input translates to pressure in the same direction on the
tailwheel. There is a point in this transition where differential braking
can be useful too but fro!
m approximately 30 kts down to about 10 I would strongly encourage no
braking at all. It is within this range that your tailwheel design is most
noticeable. A properly designed steerable tailwheel will keep you out of
the rhubarb. The lock on that very same wheel is really only required for
low speed taxiing and manoeuvering in small spaces (or as Mike referred to,
pushing your bird backwards into a hangar. At that point, it unlocks and
allows the tail to fully castor a la shopping cart. Grass is obviously more
forgiving and the above description is less important. Anyone else with a
castoring tailwheel on a piet please feel free to jump in and shoot Scotty
down.
Scott Knowlton
(slow builder in Burlington)
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
Mike Cuy,
My tailwheel as designed is full swivel/not steerable. In your opinion, is
this not advised? Wouldn't the slipstream keep that wheel in line with the
line of flight, and theoretically be not a hazard upon touchdown?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
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Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
I never saw the original picture of the "gang of thieves".
would someone please send me the picture(s) of the West
Coast Get-together directly?
Also, I'm not ruling out a flight in the OTHER direction...
from TX to Oregon. Probably happen spring 2010 and may take
me through Los Alamos and on up that way. Or else I'll
be flying the "Big L"- Interstate 10 west to California,
then hang a right and go Interstate 5 all the way north to
Oregon. Lots of flying friends to visit along the way.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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My numbers with 41CC when the 65 was on it were almost
exactly the same as Mike Cuy's. What prop does it have
on it (dia./pitch)?
I really don't see much benefit to a "cruise" prop on a
Piet. You're gonna cruise it at 70-72 with a small
Continental on it so go ahead and use a prop that will
give you the best climb performance.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Dan,
Without fully understanding what's going on, and without an extensive knowledge
of your engine, it's somewhat difficult to figure out what's going on. A few
questions might inform the audience.
Are the mags and ignition harnesses, & spark plugs - new, used, worn out? Explain
their condition, as it might help.
How about the mechanical condition of the engine? Rebuilt? Describe.
What fuel are you using?
Perhaps there's no problem at all. Even though our expectation is that the engine
SHOULD show an rpm drop, that is not always the case... On a plane I fly
regularly, the entire ignition system was recently replaced, i.e., new mags, harnesses,
plugs, and correctly timed. When the plane was put back into service,
there was an imperceptible rpm drop.
It turned out, with a near perfect ignition system, clean fuel, etc., the engine
was burning so clean and completely that there was no discernible drop in rpm
during mag check.
Hope this adds some insight.
TK
--------
Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264516#264516
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Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
Dan, Our tailwheel is not full swivel, just steerable and it will turn plen
ty sharp enough for taxi and parking without using any brakes.- Our setup
is very similar to Don Emch's tailwheel, and a few others.- The only pro
blem with it is that uou need to pick up the tail to push the airplane back
wards.- I guess it would be easy to design a t/w that is steerable, and h
as a lock pin that could be pulled out for manually pushing the airplane on
the ground, but then you have the added problem of remembering to put the
lock pin in before flight, and you will realize you forgot after your strap
ped in and have the engine started.- But the beuty of this is you can do
what you like.
-
Shad
-
p.s. if your fuselage isn't covered yet put provisions for tailwheel cables
in before its covered up.- We did not, and it was kind of a pain in the
keester to run cables through 2 4 inch inspection holes.=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
I would say one more thing about the tail wheel thing. In addition to full
y steerable Don't put springs in the linkage. The Sonex guys all use a dir
ect link with no springs. The certified guys all use springs in the linkag
e and in a strong wind you still need brake or the wind wins. Just an opin
ion.
That said there are going to be times that nothing will work except having
a wheel on the other end. There were days we could not fly the 180 because
even with both brakes locked it woud spin into the wind just sitting there
. made for lots of fun just getting it back to the tiedown!
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
From: helspersew@aol.com
The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my
opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be wrong)
is
when
you're going less than 5 mph.
Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I thou
ght I was all done with that!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Hi Jack,
I've got a McCauley Met-L-Prop 7442. Yes, yes, I know. A metal prop on
a wooden airplane. How uncouth.
Hearing that a lot of you guys have 72-38's I'm guessing what I've got
is a cruise prop. The plane averaged 72.2 mph ground speed with a 6-9
mph headwind during the Airventure Cup race from Dayton to Oshkosh, so
that fits.
When I got my tailwheel endorsement 3 years ago in the T-Craft I seem to
recall having to watch the tach during the climb out to cruise
transition to make sure I didn't accidentally push it past 2300. That
plane's got a Sensenich wood prop... I'll have to check with the owner
as to what size it is.
I think that I'll try some dimple tape on mine to see what I can get out
of it before shelling out the big bucks for a new prop... or I could buy
Dan's CD and carve my own.
Oh! My dad's got a Sensenich prop from an A75 that was on a J-5 Cub. It
would have to be sent out for overhaul, though...
choices, choices...
Thanks,
Dan
Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Sounds like you have a cruise prop on it. I have what is supposed to be a
> climb prop on mine and get about 2100 RPM static, and climb at 2150. At
> full throttle in level flight I can't quite reach redline, so I need a bit
> less prop as well. To actually get 65 hp from an A65, it needs to be
> turning at 2300 RPM.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:59 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
>
>
> The plot thickens, possibly.
>
> I have verified that putting the switch in the off position shuts the
> engine down, so the mags aren't hot. That's a plus.
>
> When at idle, switching between L, R, and Both, I can definitely tell
> that there is an RPM drop, at least audibly. So why not at 1400RPM?
>
> I'll check for a light show under the cowl as soon as I can...
>
> Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be
> related - are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if
> I can get 2050 RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel
> Schembler Carb with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on
> climb out.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Dan
>
>
> shad bell wrote:
>> Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the
>> engine case (ground) Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the
>> problems A megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts,
>> the high voltage of the megger will jump a pretty good gap. One other
>> hillbilly sugestion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and
>> see if there is a light show under the cowling from a bad harness,
>> faulty wire insulation etc. causing a "leak". Also one w.a.g. is that
>> your switch might have bad isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark
>> due to it partially shorting out. I also had one hell of an experiance
>> years ago with an old tractor (IH Cub)with a batt ignition, where the
>> condenser (capasitor) went bad and caused a weak spark, to where the
>> tractor would not start, replaced it still would not start. Hours, and
>> a few days of scratching my head, I had put the condenser in backwords
>> (on the ground side, instead of the hot side) . I still got spark, but
>> a very weak spark. After I put it on right it fired right up, and I
>> picked up the beer bottles and mowed the yard. Just a few things to
>> check, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
>>
>> Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
>> Shad
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum /<yocum@fnal.gov>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:26 PM
>>
>> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn
>> off the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a
>> fantastic 1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind
>> was calm, and I even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet!
>> What a great night.
>>
>> Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when
>> checking the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as
>> advertised, so I don't think the mags are hot.
>>
>> Googling suggests the following:
>>
>> 1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
>> 2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
>> 3. Defective ignition switch
>> 4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
>> (Bendix S-1200 series mags)
>> 5. Open magneto capacitors.
>>
>> I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific
>> warnings are applicable.
>>
>> Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective
>> ignition switch.
>>
>> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov
>> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>,
>> http://fermigrid.fnal.gov <http://fermigrid.fnal.gov/>
>> Fermilab. .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>> target=_blank>http://www.matroni;
>> -Maww.matronics.com/contribution" ======
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
tkreiner wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Without fully understanding what's going on, and without an extensive knowledge
of your engine, it's somewhat difficult to figure out what's going on. A few
questions might inform the audience.
>
> Are the mags and ignition harnesses, & spark plugs - new, used, worn out? Explain
their condition, as it might help.
>
One mag is new in the last year. One plug is new 'cause the A&P broke
the old one during the last Annual. The harness is probably the
original from 1979 and probably before.
>
> How about the mechanical condition of the engine? Rebuilt? Describe.
400 SMOH, ~800 hour since new (estimated). Logs are incomplete from
before 1965, hence the reason for the overhaul. One cylinder was
cracked and replaced in '65 with "the same oversize." Compressions are
all in the mid to high 70's.
I sent out a sample of the oil for analysis and no red flags were found.
This plane and engine has flown over 150 tach hours in the last 18
months and 50 hours in the 2 weeks leading up to Oshkosh!
>
> What fuel are you using?
100LL with one shot of Marvel Mystery Oil per 15 gallons.
>
> Perhaps there's no problem at all. Even though our expectation is that the engine
SHOULD show an rpm drop, that is not always the case... On a plane I fly
regularly, the entire ignition system was recently replaced, i.e., new mags,
harnesses, plugs, and correctly timed. When the plane was put back into service,
there was an imperceptible rpm drop.
>
> It turned out, with a near perfect ignition system, clean fuel, etc., the engine
was burning so clean and completely that there was no discernible drop in
rpm during mag check.
That's what I'm leaning toward, too. When Tres flew it from California
they flew it flat out as fast and lean as it would go for as long as
possible.
>
> Hope this adds some insight.
>
It does! I'm a glass half-full kind of guy but I like to make sure there
aren't any holes in the glass, too.
The fact that at least one other engine out there in the world exhibits
the same sort of behaviour suggests that mine isn't completely alone. 2
data points are always better than 1 (but still not great...).
Thanks,
Dan
--
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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Subject: | Re: A-65 redline |
I'm the same as Mike with the same size prop and engine--Jim Lagowski with a
1/2 hour to go to 40 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 redline
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> Dan,
>
> I can get about 2250 full throttle, level flight, almost 2300 rpm.
> Static---I forget. Around 2050, 2100 ?
>
> Running at wood 72-42 prop.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> (you might consider using an infrared/ non-contact handheld digital tach
> meter
> to see how accurate your tach is)
>
>
>
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Hi
I'm just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions.
1) I've found fuselages that are framed up for sale I'm thinking this
and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
2) I'm a big guy 6'3" and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewhere there
was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find that.
3) Best supplier of wood
4) I've built RC control model plane (remember "Flight of the Phoenix")
so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I'd like to go see some
finished planes
Thank You
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Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
Has anyone ever put the Air Camper on Floats? Pros and Cons please.
--------
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James,
The risk in buying too much pre-fabricated is that your local FSDO may not
grant you a repairman's certificate. I don't know how much is too much whe
n
it comes to buying pre-fab stuff, but if your are doing more assembling
than fabricating you might have trouble. One of the great benefits of a
homebuilt is not having to pay an A&P at every turn.
Same goes for buying a used homebuilt - you can't do anything more to it
than you could do to a certificated plane.
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, James Sinnott <sinnoj@bellsouth.net>wrote
:
> Hi
>
> I=92m just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions
.
>
>
> 1) I=92ve found fuselages that are framed up for sale I=92m thinking
this
> and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
>
> 2) I=92m a big guy 6=923=94 and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewher
e there
> was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find that.
>
> 3) Best supplier of wood
>
> 4) I=92ve built RC control model plane (remember =93Flight of the
> Phoenix=94) so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I=92d lik
e to go
> see some finished planes
>
>
> Thank You
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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Welcome Newbie
Being a builder now 2 years into the process and fellow wide guy, I built
my own fuse to my specifications which now measures 27" inside dimension.
I
found no plans to do that, just my own desire. I carried that from the
firewall to the rear seat back then began the taper to the tail. Easily
done, I
am building in poplar which on the east coast is easier to find, purchase
and afford and I really like working with it.
Just remember that what you do in one part will have an impact on other
parts. Where you may use more plywood or reset the radius of a curve as a
result of your modification. Some of it is learning on the fly and some
is
preplanning, either way you need to be prepared for the impact on the whol
e for
your modifications and ready to pay the piper for those changes. That als
o
includes weight increases, what you add in one area you need to reduce in
an other.
John
In a message dated 9/23/2009 11:53:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sinnoj@bellsouth.net writes:
Hi
I=99m just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early que
stions.
1) I=99ve found fuselages that are framed up for sale I
=99m thinking
this and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
2) I=99m a big guy 6=993=9D and a 42 waist will I
fit I saw somewhere
there was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find th
at.
3) Best supplier of wood
4) I=99ve built RC control model plane (remember =9CFlig
ht of the
Phoenix=9D) so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I
=99d like to go
see some finished planes
Thank You
========================
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
I saw a picture of a Candian Piet on floats. I'd love to do it and might
- if I can figure out how to build floats with wheels.
See here: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/054956.html
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Mike Scovel <ezdriver@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> ezdriver@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Has anyone ever put the Air Camper on Floats? Pros and Cons please.
>
> --------
> Mike Scovel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264540#264540
>
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I am building my pietenpol in Lagrange,Ga. Gardiner Mason--706 594 3811. I
would be glad to show it to you.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________
____=0AFrom: James Sinnott <sinnoj@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:49:02 AM=0ASubject: Piet
enpol-List: Newbie=0A=0A =0AHi=0AI=99m just considering starting this
odyssey I have a=0Afew early questions. =0A =0A1) I=99ve found
fuselages that are framed up for sale=0AI=99m thinking this and buyi
ng premade ribs would expedite the=0Aprocess.=0A2) I=99m a big
guy 6=993=9D and a 42 waist=0Awill I fit I saw somewhere there
was a mod to increase the width of the=0Afuselage where can I find that.=0A
3) Best supplier of wood=0A4) I=99ve built RC control model
plane (remember =9CFlight=0Aof the Phoenix=9D) so I have some
basic skills. But I live in Ga. and=0AI=99d like to go see some fini
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James,
I don't know where you live in Georgia, but I fly Piet out of Lenora
(2GA9). You're welcome to come by.
Jeff
>Hi
>I'm just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions.
>
>1) I've found fuselages that are framed up for sale I'm
>thinking this and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
>2) I'm a big guy 6'3" and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewhere
>there was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I
>find that.
>3) Best supplier of wood
>4) I've built RC control model plane (remember "Flight of the
>Phoenix") so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I'd
>like to go see some finished planes
>
>
>Thank You
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Well, that's not entirely true. With ANY homebuilt, modifications and
repairs can be done by anyone (I replaced two cylinders on my RV-4, which I
did not build, this past winter). However, the annual "Condition
Inspection" must be done by either a person holding the "Repairman's
Certificate" for that airplane or an A&P license. Note that Inspection
Authority (IA) is NOT required to do inspections on a homebuilt.
So if you buy a Pietenpol, or a Pietenpol project, even without the
Repairman's Certificate you can still do all your own work, except for the
inspection.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Redmond
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie
James,
The risk in buying too much pre-fabricated is that your local FSDO may not
grant you a repairman's certificate. I don't know how much is too much when
it comes to buying pre-fab stuff, but if your are doing more assembling
than fabricating you might have trouble. One of the great benefits of a
homebuilt is not having to pay an A&P at every turn.
Same goes for buying a used homebuilt - you can't do anything more to it
than you could do to a certificated plane.
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, James Sinnott <sinnoj@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Hi
I'm just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions.
1) I've found fuselages that are framed up for sale I'm thinking this
and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
2) I'm a big guy 6'3" and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewhere there
was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find that.
3) Best supplier of wood
4) I've built RC control model plane (remember "Flight of the Phoenix")
so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I'd like to go see some
finished planes
Thank You
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Problem resolved!
I just received a call from Tawny Castillo at Aircraft Spruce today. She reviewed
the photos I sent with several people (to include Mr. Irwin), and they concluded
that this damage did not look to be caused by the shipper. She said that
they were going to truck (at their expense) a new spar to my location.
I am impressed! Two days after reporting the problem and they totally came through!
I was a little skeptical at first, but I tried to be optimistic. As far
as this particular experience goes, I am a happy customer. Oh, I'm not real
happy that I received faulty "certified" wood, but I am certainly happy that AS&S
is standing behind their product.
Sorry to keep carrying on about this for the last few days... I hope some of you
found this report helpful.
--------
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I have the Matco WHLT-6P Pneumatic tail wheel whereas it does disengage aft
er several degrees (I believe about 45) of turning then becomes a freewheel
for them end-a-rounds and tight circles. It is a very nice set-up and will
appear to work very well.
-
Can be used with 1-1/4" or 1-1/2" leaf spring. These tail wheels are steera
ble, and are available with a pneumatic tire and tube. Tail wheel construct
ion is anodized aluminum. Weight: 5 lbs.
-
KMHeide
Village idiot
--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels
Matco is full castoring and only $149,
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/lg/tailwheels_matco.html
Rick
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. -I can send
you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring tailwheel.
-Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. -Here's a fuzzy picture to
show what I mean:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those prevent it f
rom castoring fully.
Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly: $1837.65 for
the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to the hub and wheel.
-Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular tailwheel dolly thinga-
ma-jig.
Thanks,
Dan
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Fermilab -630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
Now that I have seen it done, I am going to pursue this matter a bit farther.
I'll be looking for more replies, hopefully with some technical info and or Pros/Cons.
--------
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Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
I haven't weighed in on this, wanting to see what they did, but I'm not
surprised. Over the 8 years I was building my Pietenpol, I bought an awful
lot of stuff from AS&S, and overall I found them to be a very good company
to deal with. Their prices can be a bit high on some articles, but they
always HAVE what you need and generally ship it pretty quickly. I don't
know how you could build an airplane if they weren't in business, because
they are the only company that carries EVERYTHING you need. Wicks has good
wood, and some hardware, but not everything.
Glad you got it resolved. Not get out to that shop and make some sawdust!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How will the vendor do?
Problem resolved!
I just received a call from Tawny Castillo at Aircraft Spruce today. She
reviewed the photos I sent with several people (to include Mr. Irwin), and
they concluded that this damage did not look to be caused by the shipper.
She said that they were going to truck (at their expense) a new spar to my
location.
I am impressed! Two days after reporting the problem and they totally came
through! I was a little skeptical at first, but I tried to be optimistic.
As far as this particular experience goes, I am a happy customer. Oh, I'm
not real happy that I received faulty "certified" wood, but I am certainly
happy that AS&S is standing behind their product.
Sorry to keep carrying on about this for the last few days... I hope some of
you found this report helpful.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264555#264555
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Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Can't help but wonder how much impact (if any) there was on the process
as a direct result of the semi-public discussion that unfolded here on
the list.
Methinks it likely had a significant impact.
A good result all around.
Bill C.
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Howdy Newbie!
Don't worry about expediting, just get some plans and start studying and building.
There will be days of absolute frustration and overload followed by days
of complete satisfaction when the pieces start coming together. I've only been
building since March, but after a few snags and delays I am getting real close
to having a couple of huge assemblies that look like wings.
Lot's of fun.
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
Mike,
The 1933 Flying and Glider Manual (available from EAA or Aircraft Spruce)
featured Pietenpol floats. Now whether they were floats *for* the Pietenpol
or floats merely designed my Mr. Pietenpol, I don't know. But it's worth
looking into.
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Mike Scovel <ezdriver@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> ezdriver@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Now that I have seen it done, I am going to pursue this matter a bit
> farther. I'll be looking for more replies, hopefully with some technical
> info and or Pros/Cons.
>
> --------
> Mike Scovel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264557#264557
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Subject: | need aluminum sheet |
I will be going to Tulsa probably tomorrow and then on to Ft. Worth next week sometime.-
I need a couple 4X4 sheets or a 4X 8 sheet of either .020 or .025" 2024
T-3 to make my cowl from.does anybody have a name or phone number of a supplier
in those places that might sell retail? if I don't locate someone before
leaving I'll most likely just order from Airparts in Kansas city. thanks for
any help.Raymond
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Newbie,
Straight from my FSDO, as this question has come up frequently, and I decided
to call and verify.
If the builders log on the airframe you are considering purchasing, along with
your logged efforts reflect that you have done 51% of the work, and you provide
the FSDO with a notarized Affidavit of Facts to support that, the FAA will confer
the Repairman Certificate upon you.
In the case of an outright purchase of a flying experimental aircraft, you cannot
apply for the Repairman Certificate (on that airframe) unless you have performed
51% of the construction. (Not sure how that could happen...)
However, as the owner of the purchased (and completed) experimental aircraft YOU
may perform 100% of the maintenance and repairs to the aircraft. The work you
perform must then be signed off by an A&P.
Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during the inspection
a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you may perform the repair
and the IA can sign it off.
In order to have an A&P sign off your work, it would be wise to cultivate a good
working relationship with the A&P well in advance of approaching him to sign
off any work.
Hope this addition helps.
TK
--------
Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Everyone is allowed to make mistakes, mainly because everyone is
going make mistakes anyway. It's how a person reacts to his mistakes
that counts.
Glad it all worked out.
>
>Problem resolved!
>...
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
Piets on floats are not very common. In fact, open cockpit planes on
floats are not very common.
Regardless, here's a link that provides a bit of information about the
Canadian "Piet", CF-AQI, in that old photo:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=24253871?KEY
S
=wolk_&_floats?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=11?SERIAL=1053364489?
SHOWBUT
TONS=YES
There was another Canadian (or Candian, as some apparently like to spell
it) Piet that flew with floats, not too long ago. This is likely the
oldest Pietenpol in Canada, having originally been built in 1932, and
currently powered by a Continental A-65. Anyway, the latest owner of the
plane, Shawn Wolk, installed a set of Full Lotus 1260 floats, and flew
successfully, and documented the event here on the List. Here's a link
to the posting following the initial flight:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=34082464?KEY
S
=wolk_&_floats?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=6?SERIAL=1053364489?S
HOWBUTT
ONS=YES
Here's a link to a photo:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Shawn%20Wolk%20CF-RAZ/piet_on_floats
.jpg
Check out the archives for more info.
Bill C.
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does anybody have the name or number of a supplier in Tulsa or ft. wort Dallas
area that might sell . .020 or .025 2024 T-3 sheet? I'm going through there in
the next week but if I can't locate any I'd just as soon go ahead and place an
order. thanks. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
Darrel Jones wrote:
> Three of my trips to Oshkosh have been up through Oregon and Washington,
> through Glacier Park Pass and across Montana.
>
If the WCP group flies this route I would love to join them. Flying this route
in return I HIGHLY recommend stopping at Cut Bank, Montana to overnight before
making a morning run at the Rockies. Cut Bank was a WW2 B-17 base and then
later an airline terminal stop and they still have the rooms that the crews used
to get rest (small room with a bed) which last I knew were free to use. Also
a kitchen and lounge with couches and TV. Great spot and friendly people.
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Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Very true Jack, makes you realize how resourceful and modivated Bernard was
to do what he did back in the 1920s.
Rick
> know how you could build an airplane if they weren't in business, because
> they are the only company that carries EVERYTHING you need. Wicks has good
> wood, and some hardware, but not everything.
>
> Glad you got it resolved. Not get out to that shop and make some sawdust!
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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I have had good success and prices from onlinemetals.com
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sep 23, 2009 12:31 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum
>
>
>does anybody have the name or number of a supplier in Tulsa or ft. wort Dallas
area that might sell . .020 or .025 2024 T-3 sheet? I'm going through there in
the next week but if I can't locate any I'd just as soon go ahead and place
an order. thanks. Raymond
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264573#264573
>
>
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Tom,
After a little further research it appears that we are both wrong and so is
your FSDO.
Anyone can work on a homebuilt and anyone can sign off on the work. You
don't even need the repairman's certificate that is issued to builders. You
do not need an A&P to sign off your work.
Part 43 governs who is allowed to work on aircraft and near the top in
43.1(b) it specifically says that Part 43 does not apply to experimental
aircraft:
"This part does not apply to any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an
experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different
kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft."
Now, that said... When issuing the airworthiness certificate, the inspector
can make you place in the operating limitations a restriction on who may
work on the airplane. If that happens, that limitation must be followed.
I'm not sure how common that is - it might be very common - just not sure.
I know you and others will disagree with my interpretation here. If that's
the case, please come up with the regulation that applies - I'd love to see
it. Finding 43.1(b) just blew my entire understanding of the issue out of
the water.
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Newbie,
>
> Straight from my FSDO, as this question has come up frequently, and I
> decided to call and verify.
>
> If the builders log on the airframe you are considering purchasing, along
> with your logged efforts reflect that you have done 51% of the work, and you
> provide the FSDO with a notarized Affidavit of Facts to support that, the
> FAA will confer the Repairman Certificate upon you.
>
> In the case of an outright purchase of a flying experimental aircraft, you
> cannot apply for the Repairman Certificate (on that airframe) unless you
> have performed 51% of the construction. (Not sure how that could happen...)
>
> However, as the owner of the purchased (and completed) experimental
> aircraft YOU may perform 100% of the maintenance and repairs to the
> aircraft. The work you perform must then be signed off by an A&P.
>
> Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during the
> inspection a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you may perform
> the repair and the IA can sign it off.
>
> In order to have an A&P sign off your work, it would be wise to cultivate a
> good working relationship with the A&P well in advance of approaching him to
> sign off any work.
>
> Hope this addition helps.
>
> TK
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264568#264568
>
>
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Also Barry Davis is one of the 'Gang of Six' down near Atlanta I believe
nearly done building six Corvair Piets. You can look him up on this
newsgroup.
Rick
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> James,
>
> I don't know where you live in Georgia, but I fly Piet out of Lenora
> (2GA9). You're welcome to come by.
>
> Jeff
>
> Hi
>> I'm just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions.
>>
>> 1) I've found fuselages that are framed up for sale I'm thinking this
>> and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
>> 2) I'm a big guy 6'3" and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewhere there
>> was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find that.
>> 3) Best supplier of wood
>> 4) I've built RC control model plane (remember "Flight of the
>> Phoenix") so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I'd like to go
>> see some finished planes
>>
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | RE: West Coast Gang |
Oscar,
Out West here, we are noted for innovative thinking, and have resolved the
problem with those who may be too 'long' for a standard Piet.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: West Coast Gang
Gary; thanks! yeah, those guys are all too tall ;o)
It will be nice to meet lots of you guys out west sometime. I have Piet
friends strung out all along the route I might take... Texas, Arizona, New
Mexico, California, maybe Nevada, and of course in Oregon.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
_____
From: gboothe5@comcast.net
Subject: West Coast Gang
Oscar,
Here are the group pics, with the line-up below..
"At Mike's House": Ray Krause (Waiex builder/owner and now a Piet Builder),
Mike Hardaway (Piet Builder), Jim Boyer (Piet Builder), Darrel Jones (Piet
Builder), Mike Groah (Piet Builder), Gary Boothe (Piet Builder, and 15 ribs
done in case you didn't know), Mike Weaver (Piet Builder), Chris Tracy (Piet
Builder).
"In Front of Charlie's Piet": Mike Weaver, Mike Groah, Chris Tracy, Ray
Krause, Jim Boyer, Mike Hardaway, Darrel Jones, Charlie Miller (kneeling.
That's Charlie's beautiful Piet that he flew in on "his longest x-country
ever").
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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Subject: | congratulations to Aircraft Spruce |
Well that is good to hear. Words and promises are one thing--- action and making
things
right is another.
I'm impressed that ACS is getting serious about customer service. Reason reigned
this time--good going Mark.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: need aluminum sheet |
Contact me off line for metal
John
In a message dated 9/23/2009 1:51:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
skellflyer1@yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer"
<skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
I will be going to Tulsa probably tomorrow and then on to Ft. Worth next
week sometime.- I need a couple 4X4 sheets or a 4X 8 sheet of either .020 or
.025" 2024 T-3 to make my cowl from.does anybody have a name or phone
number of a supplier in those places that might sell retail? if I don't locate
someone before leaving I'll most likely just order from Airparts in Kansas
city. thanks for any help.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264567#264567
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
BYD,
I've been to Cutbank and done work there. They say the snow never melts....it just
blows back and forth 'till it wears out!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Get-together
Darrel Jones wrote:
> Three of my trips to Oshkosh have been up through Oregon and Washington,
> through Glacier Park Pass and across Montana.
>
If the WCP group flies this route I would love to join them. Flying this route
in return I HIGHLY recommend stopping at Cut Bank, Montana to overnight before
making a morning run at the Rockies. Cut Bank was a WW2 B-17 base and then
later an airline terminal stop and they still have the rooms that the crews used
to get rest (small room with a bed) which last I knew were free to use. Also
a kitchen and lounge with couches and TV. Great spot and friendly people.
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Contact me off list
John
In a message dated 9/23/2009 2:33:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
skellflyer1@yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer"
<skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
does anybody have the name or number of a supplier in Tulsa or ft. wort
Dallas area that might sell . .020 or .025 2024 T-3 sheet? I'm going through
there in the next week but if I can't locate any I'd just as soon go ahead
and place an order. thanks. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264573#264573
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Tom,
Are you sure about the AI part? I thought condition inspections on
experimentals could be done by an A&P.
Jeff
>
>Newbie,
>
>Straight from my FSDO, as this question has come up frequently, and
>I decided to call and verify.
>
>If the builders log on the airframe you are considering purchasing,
>along with your logged efforts reflect that you have done 51% of the
>work, and you provide the FSDO with a notarized Affidavit of Facts
>to support that, the FAA will confer the Repairman Certificate upon
>you.
>
>In the case of an outright purchase of a flying experimental
>aircraft, you cannot apply for the Repairman Certificate (on that
>airframe) unless you have performed 51% of the construction. (Not
>sure how that could happen...)
>
>However, as the owner of the purchased (and completed) experimental
>aircraft YOU may perform 100% of the maintenance and repairs to the
>aircraft. The work you perform must then be signed off by an A&P.
>
>Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during
>the inspection a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you
>may perform the repair and the IA can sign it off.
>
>In order to have an A&P sign off your work, it would be wise to
>cultivate a good working relationship with the A&P well in advance
>of approaching him to sign off any work.
>
>Hope this addition helps.
>
>TK
>
>--------
>Tom Kreiner
>
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Annual Condition Inspection of an amateur built airplane and the
Annual Inspection of a certified aircraft are identical in scope and
procedure. The difference lies in wording, where the information
lives, who can perform the duties and is not just semantic in nature.
The Annual Inspection of a certified aircraft and wording can be found
in 14 CFR Part 43. Wording is similar to "I certify that this
aircraft has been inspected in accordance with an annual inspection
and was determined to be in airworthy condition." The wording for an
Annual Condition Inspection can be found in the Operating Limitations
of the subject aircraft. That wording is usually close to "I certify
that this aircraft has been inspected in accordance with the scope and
detail of Appendix D of 14 CFR part 43, and found to be in condition
for safe operation." Note that a certified airplane is inspected to
"airworthy condition" and an amateur built aircraft is inspected to
"condition for safe operation," not airworthy condition.
Amateur built airplanes are only required to have the Annual Condition
Inspection in the logbook but the FAA "suggests" that routine
maintenance be included as well. Anyone can perform maintenance on an
amateur built airplane. Only the holder of the repairman certificate
or "FAA-certificated mechanics with appropriate ratings as authorized
by...(A&P mechanic)" may perform the annual condition inspection. An
IA is not required for an Annual Condition Inspection on an amateur
built aircraft.
Hypothetical Practical Application: Our own Dan Yocum has recently
purchased Ol' 8031. He proceeds to change the oil, bleed the brakes,
check compression. clean the plugs and fly, all without a logbook
entry. That is fine. He then installs a transponder and motorcycle
battery to power it. Once again, fine. Since he does not hold the
repairman certificate he calls upon me as an A&P (which I am) to help
him with his annual condition inspection. At that time I see that the
transponder and routine maintenance is up to par but I don't like the
battery installation as he used black licorice to hold it in. I state
that for safe operation he should change the way he fastens the
battery to red licorice or a "more better" system. The change is made
and Ol' 8031 is once again in "condition for safe operation."
Hope this helps and not one Waldo Pepper reference....and yes I am
hoping to have my IA in the next year or so.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, tkreiner wrote:
> Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during
> the inspection a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you
> may perform the repair and the IA can sign it off.
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Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
It has been done. I considered it=2C but I do not believe it has enough wi
ng. The J-3 makes a decent floatplane=2C but has significantly more wing a
rea. It reminds me of a pacer or tri pacer which makes a better speed boat
than float plane. I have almost 200hrs in a tri-pacer on floats. Scared
me more than once. I would call it's performance marginal at best. I thin
k the Piet could do well on floats with about 4ft more wing. But=2C I don'
t know if I want to be the one to tackle the engineering involved.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats
> From: ezdriver@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Wed=2C 23 Sep 2009 08:58:43 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
et>
>
> Has anyone ever put the Air Camper on Floats? Pros and Cons please.
>
> --------
> Mike Scovel
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264540#264540
>
>
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Subject: | congratulations to Aircraft Spruce |
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
>Aerospace Corporation]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:21 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: congratulations to Aircraft Spruce
>
>Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>Well that is good to hear. Words and promises are one thing--- action
>and making things
>right is another.
>
>I'm impressed that ACS is getting serious about customer service.
>Reason reigned
>this time--good going Mark.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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This is pretty much a "boiler plate" addition to amateur built
operating limitations.
-john-
On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Matt Redmond wrote:
> Now, that said... When issuing the airworthiness certificate, the
> inspector can make you place in the operating limitations a
> restriction on who may work on the airplane. If that happens, that
> limitation must be followed. I'm not sure how common that is - it
> might be very common - just not sure.
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
The 1933 Flying and Glider Manual has plans for Pietenpol floats.
http://shop.eaa.org/html/publications_guides.html
Dan
Mike Scovel wrote:
>
> Now that I have seen it done, I am going to pursue this matter a bit farther.
I'll be looking for more replies, hopefully with some technical info and or
Pros/Cons.
>
> --------
> Mike Scovel
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264557#264557
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Subject: | Re: congratulations to Aircraft Spruce |
We've found on other lists like Canard Aviators and the Cozy Mk-IV list
that Jim Irwin or someone from Aircraft Spruce closely monitors the lists and
when there is a problem Jim himself often looks into it and facilitates a
good outcome and satisfied customer.
It takes hard work to develop a happy and loyal customer base, only a few
unhappy customers to mess that up. cudos to Jim Irwin for staying on top of
it.
...Chrissi & Randi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
In a message dated 9/23/2009 2:26:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
>Aerospace Corporation]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:21 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: congratulations to Aircraft Spruce
>
>Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>Well that is good to hear. Words and promises are one thing--- action
>and making things
>right is another.
>
>I'm impressed that ACS is getting serious about customer service.
>Reason reigned
>this time--good going Mark.
>
>Mike C.
>
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John I'd be glad to,but I really don't see a link to your e-mail there.mine is
skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com Raymond
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In Tulsa, go to TRIDENT.
http://www.trident-metals.com/tul.shtml
Jody
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Subject: | More About A/S from Big Piets |
We are fortunate to have A/S East just about 25 miles from Carrollton, Ga.
We used this for excuses to fly over and pick up parts from time to time.
Over the past 6 years, we bought ALL our parts from A/S and have spent over
$60k on the Big Piets with them. We enjoyed some deep discounts on all
purchases associated with our open account. On any part we found cheaper at
any other supplier, they matched prices with no questions asked. They even
took back anything we ordered when we had just ordered to see how it looked
or would fit out application. All this made our parts purchasing very easy
as we never had to worry about long shipping times ( even back orders
shipped from California took only a few days) or getting the lowest price
possible. We knew when we faxed in an order to Tim or Patrick, we could look
for it to arrive by UPS the next morning.
We're hoping for a spot on the cover of the catalog with the Big Piets.
Barry Davis
Big Piet NX973BP
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Jody-thanks for the reply-also John and any others that may have responded. I did
call the one Tulsa supplier and also one other one and so far what they have
priced me is significantly more expensive than what I can order from Airparts
in Kansas city including shipping plus they sell some other things I need like
some screws and anchor nuts. I'll check with A/S before ordering but looks
like it is cheaper to order than pick up.Raymond
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Subject: | Re: cables and turnbuckles! |
Members,
-
Please provide some photos of your cable systems from bell crank to control
stick to front pedals. I am ready to order hardware to make these connecti
on and seeking ideas. Not sure what turnbuckles, thimbles, eye ends, etc...
. Everything installed but needing assistance in the set-up...
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Anything else-I am missing?.... what about the tension spring or trim sys
tem set-up inside?
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KMHeide
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PS...Yes we Fargoians are still building!=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Bravo for ACS! Technically they probably should not have done that but in fact....they
have. That's good customer service.
Jim in Rapid City (for the week)....where I just watched a B52 doing touch and
go's.....really cool to see those wheels hanging down at a different angle than
the fuse....wow.
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Sep 23, 2009 1:03 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How will the vendor do?
>
>
>Problem resolved!
>
>I just received a call from Tawny Castillo at Aircraft Spruce today. She reviewed
the photos I sent with several people (to include Mr. Irwin), and they concluded
that this damage did not look to be caused by the shipper. She said that
they were going to truck (at their expense) a new spar to my location.
>
>I am impressed! Two days after reporting the problem and they totally came through!
I was a little skeptical at first, but I tried to be optimistic. As far
as this particular experience goes, I am a happy customer. Oh, I'm not real
happy that I received faulty "certified" wood, but I am certainly happy that
AS&S is standing behind their product.
>
>Sorry to keep carrying on about this for the last few days... I hope some of you
found this report helpful.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
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When I said:
Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during the inspection
a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you may perform the repair
and the IA can sign it off.
I meant to say:
Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA&P, or an IA , but if during
the inspection a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you may perform
the repair and the A&P or IA can sign it off.
Sorry for the confusion; Jack Phillips corrected this in a later post, and I concur.
TK
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Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Not sure I follow what you mean Jim. What is the technicality? Time? Just curious.
Technically, they should not have sent me cracked wood. Ha ha!
dfwplt wrote:
> Technically they probably should not have done that but in fact....they have.
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Hi Ive never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in 1993 & made
the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, its strongly influenced
by Frank Pavligas original Sky Gypsy & Don Emchs plane. Ive attempted to
attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil.
I dont usually check these lists.
Respectfully submitted,
Kevin Purtee
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Here is what the Matco pneumatic tailwheel looks like when mounted.
Steve
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:07 PM, KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have the Matco WHLT-6P Pneumatic tail wheel whereas it *does* disengage
> after several degrees (I believe about 45) of turning then becomes a
> freewheel for them end-a-rounds and tight circles. It is a very nice
> set-up and will appear to work very well.
>
> Can be used with 1-1/4" or 1-1/2" leaf spring. These tail wheels are
> steerable, and are available with a pneumatic tire and tube. Tail wheel
> construction is anodized aluminum. Weight: 5 lbs.
>
> KMHeide
> Village idiot
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/22/09, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:37 PM
>
> Matco is full castoring and only $149,
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/lg/tailwheels_matco.html
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov<http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>
> > wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>>
>>> taildrags@hotmail.com<http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
>>> you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
>>>
>>
>> Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring tailwheel.
>> Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. Here's a fuzzy picture to show
>> what I mean:
>>
>> http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
>>
>> The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those prevent it
>> from castoring fully.
>>
>> Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly: $1837.65
>> for the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to the hub and
>> wheel. Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular tailwheel dolly
>> thinga-ma-jig.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> --
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>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov<http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>,
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Congratulations Mark! That's the kind of results I have had with them each
time there's been a problem (not often).
Gene in Rainy Tennessee
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Hey, wait a minute Kevin... come baaaack!
That is a nice looking bird!
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Kevin,
I'm sure you heard it all before, but I just gotta say it:
That sure is a *Purtee* aeroplane you got there!
Har, har, har. Yes, I'll stoop that low to get a cheap laugh out of a
bad pun.
;-)
Congrats on your newly completed plane and your first flight! Excellent
job! Can we expect to see you at Brodhead, next year?
Cheers,
Dan
kevinpurtee wrote:
>
> Hi Ive never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in 1993 &
made the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, its strongly influenced
by Frank Pavligas original Sky Gypsy & Don Emchs plane. Ive attempted
to attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil.
I dont usually check these lists.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Kevin Purtee
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264626#264626
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Beautiful airplane, Kevin! How does she fly?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Hi ?" I?Tve never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in
1993 & made the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, it?Ts
strongly influenced by Frank Pavliga?Ts original Sky Gypsy & Don Emch?Ts
plane. I?Tve attempted to attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me
please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil. I don?Tt usually check
these lists.
Respectfully submitted,
Kevin Purtee
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Kevin,
I recognize that powerful Corvair up front! Let us know what performance #'s you
come up with and the prop you used...
She's certainly a beauty and I doubt if you could have done a better job if you
took your time, rather than rush through it! ;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Hi Ive never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in 1993 & made
the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, its strongly influenced
by Frank Pavligas original Sky Gypsy & Don Emchs plane. Ive attempted to
attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil.
I dont usually check these lists.
Respectfully submitted,
Kevin Purtee
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Subject: | Re: First Flight |
WOO HOO. I think that is a wonderful accomplishment. I am envious. Like Gary says
"Come on Man and brag a little" How was the trim? More pictures too.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: RE: West Coast Gang |
Do yall strap a surf board to the top of your Piets?
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Oscar,
>
>
> Out West here, we are noted for innovative thinking, and have resolved th
e
> problem with those who may be too =91long=92 for a standard Piet.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:38 AM
> *To:* gboothe5@comcast.net
> *Subject:* RE: West Coast Gang
>
>
> Gary; thanks! yeah, those guys are all too tall ;o)
>
> It will be nice to meet lots of you guys out west sometime. I have Piet
> friends strung out all along the route I might take... Texas, Arizona, Ne
w
> Mexico, California, maybe Nevada, and of course in Oregon.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> To: taildrags@hotmail.com
> Subject: West Coast Gang
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:33:03 -0700
>
> Oscar,
>
>
> Here are the group pics, with the line-up below=85.
>
>
> =93At Mike=92s House=94: Ray Krause (Waiex builder/owner and now a Piet B
uilder),
> Mike Hardaway (Piet Builder), Jim Boyer (Piet Builder), Darrel Jones (Pie
t
> Builder), Mike Groah (Piet Builder), Gary Boothe (Piet Builder, and 15 ri
bs
> done in case you didn=92t know), Mike Weaver (Piet Builder), Chris Tracy
(Piet
> Builder).
>
>
> =93In Front of Charlie=92s Piet=94: Mike Weaver, Mike Groah, Chris Tracy
, Ray
> Krause, Jim Boyer, Mike Hardaway, Darrel Jones, Charlie Miller (kneeling.
> That=92s Charlie=92s beautiful Piet that he flew in on =93his longest x-c
ountry
> ever=94).
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
>
>
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Subject: | spar material inspection questions |
Again=2C clarification needed on knots...
The specs call for "outer 1/4 of spar height to have knots no more than 1/1
6 W in size - where W is the width of the spar" loosely quoted. When stati
ng W in our case do they mean 4 3/4" divided by 16? Or are they saying 3/4
" divided by 16? The sketch in the specs doesn't show W specifically but t
he reason I ask is that for the middle half of the spar height=2C the knot
can be as large as 1/2 W in diameter - where W is the width of the spar. I
f this is true=2C that means you could have a knot as large as 2 3/8" (or l
ess) and still be ok? That seems like it's a huge knot! Where as if W was
equal the the thickness=2C it would be 3/8" - seems to make more sense to
me....
Anyone clarify this for me?
Tom B.
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I just do a search in Google, you'll be suprised however unless
it large volume I rather go with Spruce and Speciality than get the
incorrect product.
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:38 PM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> Contact me off list
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 9/23/2009 2:33:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> skellflyer1@yahoo.com writes:
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> skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>
> does anybody have the name or number of a supplier in Tulsa or ft. wort
> Dallas area that might sell . .020 or .025 2024 T-3 sheet? I'm going through
> there in the next week but if I can't locate any I'd just as soon go ahead
> and place an order. thanks. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
You know, with a full castoring tailwheel and good
differential brakes you might be able to pull of a
T-6 parking job. (That's a Harvard to us Canucks,son.)
Clif
The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my
opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be
wrong) is
when
you're going less than 5 mph.
Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I
thought I was all done with that!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | RE: West Coast Gang |
Russell,
Slung under the belly seems to work better. We are waiting for that giant
earthquake when everything east of the Sierra's slips into the ocean and we
have endless surfing...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE: West Coast Gang
Do yall strap a surf board to the top of your Piets?
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Oscar,
Out West here, we are noted for innovative thinking, and have resolved the
problem with those who may be too 'long' for a standard Piet.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: West Coast Gang
Gary; thanks! yeah, those guys are all too tall ;o)
It will be nice to meet lots of you guys out west sometime. I have Piet
friends strung out all along the route I might take... Texas, Arizona, New
Mexico, California, maybe Nevada, and of course in Oregon.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net <http://www.flysquirrel.net/>
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From: gboothe5@comcast.net
Subject: West Coast Gang
Oscar,
Here are the group pics, with the line-up below..
"At Mike's House": Ray Krause (Waiex builder/owner and now a Piet Builder),
Mike Hardaway (Piet Builder), Jim Boyer (Piet Builder), Darrel Jones (Piet
Builder), Mike Groah (Piet Builder), Gary Boothe (Piet Builder, and 15 ribs
done in case you didn't know), Mike Weaver (Piet Builder), Chris Tracy (Piet
Builder).
"In Front of Charlie's Piet": Mike Weaver, Mike Groah, Chris Tracy, Ray
Krause, Jim Boyer, Mike Hardaway, Darrel Jones, Charlie Miller (kneeling.
That's Charlie's beautiful Piet that he flew in on "his longest x-country
ever").
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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