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1. 12:51 AM - Re: spar material inspection questions (Robert Ray)
2. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (Robert Ray)
3. 04:09 AM - Re: spar material inspection questions (Ameet Savant)
4. 04:10 AM - Re: First Flight (John Franklin)
5. 04:27 AM - Kevin Purtee's First Flight (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
6. 04:40 AM - leaf springs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
7. 05:13 AM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Mike Scovel)
8. 06:17 AM - Re: First Flight (Michael Perez)
9. 06:21 AM - First Flight (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 06:24 AM - First Flight (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 06:42 AM - Eyebrow cowl for corvair (kevinpurtee)
12. 07:09 AM - Re: First Flight (kevinpurtee)
13. 07:19 AM - West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
14. 08:01 AM - Re: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires (Catdesigns)
15. 08:22 AM - Re: tailwheels (shad bell)
16. 08:22 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Dan Yocum)
17. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: First Flight (Dan Yocum)
18. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
19. 09:12 AM - Re: Eyebrow cowl for corvair (at7000ft)
20. 09:12 AM - :ee bottom fly-in (Skip Gadd)
21. 09:39 AM - airspeeds on final approach (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
22. 09:52 AM - 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
23. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: First Flight (Gene & Tammy)
24. 10:13 AM - Re: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! (Tim Willis)
25. 10:43 AM - spousal aviation support, or not (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
26. 10:57 AM - Re: leaf springs (steven sadler)
27. 11:18 AM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
28. 11:24 AM - Re: airspeeds on final approach (Lloyd Smith)
29. 11:24 AM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Michael Perez)
30. 11:31 AM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (K5YAC)
31. 11:36 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee's First Flight (kevinpurtee)
32. 11:46 AM - Re: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! (kevinpurtee)
33. 11:52 AM - Video of NX899KP (kevinpurtee)
34. 12:04 PM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Jim Markle)
35. 12:16 PM - leaf spring installation sketches (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
36. 12:18 PM - Brian Jardine is my new hero (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
37. 12:19 PM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
38. 12:19 PM - Re: airspeeds on final approach (Bill Church)
39. 12:23 PM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (899PM)
40. 12:26 PM - first passenger (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
41. 12:39 PM - Re: Video of NX899KP (K5YAC)
42. 12:46 PM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Paul N. Peckham)
43. 12:54 PM - Re: Brian Jardine is my new hero (K5YAC)
44. 12:58 PM - Re: airspeeds on final approach (Lloyd Smith)
45. 01:51 PM - totally unrelated--but if you like North American P-51 Mustangs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
46. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Rick Holland)
47. 02:52 PM - Re: First Flight (Don Emch)
48. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
49. 04:13 PM - Band Brakes (Richard Schreiber)
50. 04:45 PM - Straight Axle Wood Gear (Richard Schreiber)
51. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Gary Boothe)
52. 05:10 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Gary Boothe)
53. 05:19 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Richard Schreiber)
54. 05:28 PM - Re: Video of NX899KP (Gary Boothe)
55. 05:28 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Richard Schreiber)
56. 05:34 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Gary Boothe)
57. 05:58 PM - Re: Band Brakes (Gary Boothe)
58. 06:05 PM - Re: Video of NX899KP (kevinpurtee)
59. 06:11 PM - Re: First Flight (kevinpurtee)
60. 06:19 PM - Airplane pick-up (Lawrence Williams)
61. 06:22 PM - Re: cables and turnbuckles! (Michael Conkling)
62. 06:34 PM - Re: cables and turnbuckles! (Gary Boothe)
63. 07:00 PM - More cables and turnbuckles (K5YAC)
64. 07:12 PM - Re: Band Brakes (Robert Ray)
65. 08:47 PM - Re: Airplane pick-up (Don Emch)
66. 09:38 PM - Re: Band Brakes (Bill Church)
67. 11:19 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear ()
68. 11:33 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear ()
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| Subject: | Re: spar material inspection questions |
I would try and stay away from any knots in the bottom 1 1/4 inch of spare
and the top 1 1/2 inch, that just me woods KNOT that expensive. I would
laminate if need be to get clear, pitch pocket, knot free, wood on the outer
edges.
Then again if I don't kill myself it won't be my intellect but the Grace
of God for sure.
I'm sure if you poke around a bit more you can find good wood.
I like look at the bottom and top edges of the spare as a trapeze artist
looks at his rope. Then again I am no expert for sure.
Have a nice day
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:29 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>wrote:
> Again, clarification needed on knots...
>
> The specs call for "outer 1/4 of spar height to have knots no more than
> 1/16 W in size - where W is the width of the spar" loosely quoted. When
> stating W in our case do they mean 4 3/4" divided by 16? Or are they saying
> 3/4" divided by 16? The sketch in the specs doesn't show W specifically but
> the reason I ask is that for the middle half of the spar height, the knot
> can be as large as 1/2 W in diameter - where W is the width of the spar. If
> this is true, that means you could have a knot as large as 2 3/8" (or less)
> and still be ok? That seems like it's a huge knot! Where as if W was equal
> the the thickness, it would be 3/8" - seems to make more sense to me....
>
> Anyone clarify this for me?
>
> Tom B.
>
> *
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Why don't you disconnect both mags all input and out put wiring taps,
take an olmmeter and measure resistance across the coils, measure
the resistance to ground hopfully infinity, if they don't match there it
is.
Or if they don't match with in say < or > 15%
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
>
> tkreiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Without fully understanding what's going on, and without an extensive
>> knowledge of your engine, it's somewhat difficult to figure out what's going
>> on. A few questions might inform the audience.
>>
>> Are the mags and ignition harnesses, & spark plugs - new, used, worn out?
>> Explain their condition, as it might help.
>>
>>
> One mag is new in the last year. One plug is new 'cause the A&P broke the
> old one during the last Annual. The harness is probably the original from
> 1979 and probably before.
>
>
>> How about the mechanical condition of the engine? Rebuilt? Describe.
>>
>
> 400 SMOH, ~800 hour since new (estimated). Logs are incomplete from before
> 1965, hence the reason for the overhaul. One cylinder was cracked and
> replaced in '65 with "the same oversize." Compressions are all in the mid
> to high 70's.
>
> I sent out a sample of the oil for analysis and no red flags were found.
>
> This plane and engine has flown over 150 tach hours in the last 18 months
> and 50 hours in the 2 weeks leading up to Oshkosh!
>
>
>> What fuel are you using?
>>
>
> 100LL with one shot of Marvel Mystery Oil per 15 gallons.
>
>
>> Perhaps there's no problem at all. Even though our expectation is that
>> the engine SHOULD show an rpm drop, that is not always the case... On a
>> plane I fly regularly, the entire ignition system was recently replaced,
>> i.e., new mags, harnesses, plugs, and correctly timed. When the plane was
>> put back into service, there was an imperceptible rpm drop.
>>
>> It turned out, with a near perfect ignition system, clean fuel, etc., the
>> engine was burning so clean and completely that there was no discernible
>> drop in rpm during mag check.
>>
>
> That's what I'm leaning toward, too. When Tres flew it from California
> they flew it flat out as fast and lean as it would go for as long as
> possible.
>
>
>> Hope this adds some insight.
>>
>>
> It does! I'm a glass half-full kind of guy but I like to make sure there
> aren't any holes in the glass, too.
>
> The fact that at least one other engine out there in the world exhibits the
> same sort of behaviour suggests that mine isn't completely alone. 2 data
> points are always better than 1 (but still not great...).
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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>
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| Subject: | Re: spar material inspection questions |
The W stands for the thickness of the spar i.e. 3/4". The actual width of the spar
is referred to as the height of the spar. You will also notice as a general
spar selection rule, no knot can be larger than 1/2" in size or diameter.
I don't know about AS&S, but Wick's at least promises to better that standard by not letting any spar material to have a knot larger than 1/8". Read http://www.wicksaircraft.com/links/Wicks_Links/44_Wicks%20adv.pdf
Ameet Savant
________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:29:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar material inspection questions
Again, clarification needed on knots...
The specs call for "outer 1/4 of spar height to have knots no more than 1/16 W
in size - where W is the width of the spar" loosely quoted. When stating W in
our case do they mean 4 3/4" divided by 16? Or are they saying 3/4" divided
by 16? The sketch in the specs doesn't show W specifically but the reason I ask
is that for the middle half of the spar height, the knot can be as large as
1/2 W in diameter - where W is the width of the spar. If this is true, that
means you could have a knot as large as 2 3/8" (or less) and still be ok? That
seems like it's a huge knot! Where as if W was equal the the thickness, it
would be 3/8" - seems to make more sense to me....
Anyone clarify this for me?
Tom B.
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I bought my Corvair core from Kevin Purtee and he was kind enough to start up his
Corvair at that time, and that was a big inspiration for me!
BTW, one of the reasons his project took so long is because he served at least
one tour of duty I know of in Iraq, flying Apache helicopters.
Way to go, Kevin!
John F.
GN-1 / Corvair
Richmond, TX
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:01 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
>
>
>Hi ?" I?Tve never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in
>1993 & made the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, it?Ts
>strongly influenced by Frank Pavliga?Ts original Sky Gypsy & Don Emch?Ts
>plane. I?Tve attempted to attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me
>please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil. I don?Tt usually check
>these lists.
>
>Respectfully submitted,
>Kevin Purtee
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264626#264626
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/nx899kp_136.bmp
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>
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| Subject: | Kevin Purtee's First Flight |
CONGRATULATIONS Kevin and thank you for posting a photo of your Corvair-powered
Air Camper.
Looks great.
Way to stay with it over your 16 year building period !
Mike C.
in Ohio
PS-- may we ask what part of the country you live in ?
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Steve,
I began taxi testing with a single-leaf spring setup as your photo shows yo
u have and found out that it slapped
around back there-was not stiff enough so I added a second leaf and bound t
he two together with a strap
fitting.
Two good reasons for this. Should you break one leaf spring (I've had it
happen) the second leaf spring will keep your
tailwheel from bashing up into your rudder and making a mess.
Secondly-if one leaf breaks you still have control of your tailwheel as it
will stay in position.
Tony Bingelis has a great section in his books where he shows how to drill
holes (you simply use a masonry bit) in spring
steel leafs and how to re-contour/shape without using heat. You don't want
to use heat to bend a spring.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
I want to thank everyone for their input. I am still in the research mode. Hopefully
I can begin building next year. finishing a VariEze at the moment. Utilizing
the Corvair engine with the 5th Bearing arrangement. Looking forward
to being an active member on this site as soon as I start building and maybe before.
--------
Mike Scovel
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Kevin, first off, let me thank you for your service to our country. One vet
eran to another, I SALUTE! you sir.
-
I agree with some of the other posts...we need more pictures...landing gear
, cock pits, tail, etc.- We also need more specs. and flight characterist
ics. Looks great!
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Roger, Niner-Niner Kilo Papa-! You sure did learn some
good lessons from Frank's and Don's airplanes. I'm
curious as to whether your Corvair has a nitrided crank
in it. That metal prop out there puts a little bit more
load on it than a wooden one does, I think.
Very pretty airplane; now we need performance numbers!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Niner Kilo Papa, my bad... looks like you have an adjustable
composite prop on that Corvair and not a metal one.
I notice that you used the cable X-bracing in the cabanes
rather than the brace struts going forward. It makes it
just a little bit more dicey for getting a passenger in
that front 'pit, eh? But since you're still in test mode,
you won't be flying anybody up front there for a while.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Eyebrow cowl for corvair |
Ryan Mueller sent a nice e-mail and suggested I share more details, specifically
about the cowl. As I figure out the picture posting thing I will.
Anyway, for those interested in the corvair cowl this is what I sent to Ryan:
Hi Ryan - Thanks for the kind words.
I've got more pictures of the cowl than you want. I'll try to figure out how to
post them on the list for others. Regardless, I'll send some of the ones that
give construction details to you. The other thing I need to do is send them
to the west coast piet guy. That's been an invaluable resource.
Here's how it went, and it came out okay pretty much by accident:
- I stole shamelessly from Hans Van der Voort. He lives about an hour from me
so we (there's a girl involved) looked at his cowl before starting mine. Mostly
I used his attachment methods - pieces of angle attached to the fire wall used
as tabs to attach the sheet metal.
- Started with the bottom plate. I have access to good sheet metal people at work
so I carefully measured and marked that piece and had them bend it for me
at work. Could've done it myself but it came out lots better by the pros. The
rest of the metal we did by hand in the hangar. That base piece made for very
tidy seams on the bottom.
- We used poster board for the mock-up and cut out what was in the way, not worrying
about having it all hang out. Makes it really easy to pre-flight.
- I cut out a plywood disk for the front, and then started hacking away until the
eyebrow cowls were not obstructed from the front.
- Used a whole bunch of pop rivets and it firmed right up. Durable so far.
Hope this helps. I'll post this on the list for others with questions. Again,
I'll try to figure out the picture thing.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Thanks for the kind thoughts from everyone. I'll put together a "briefing" with
descriptions and pictures and so forth. In the meantime, I'd like to answer
some questions. Not sure what the protocol is, but here goes:
Jack Phillips - You'd be amazed at the amount of time I've spent looking at your
plane on west coast piet. Appreciate it! My machine flies nicely, very well-behaved.
It's heavy (nick-named "fat bottomed girl") but takes off and climbs
with enthusiasm.
Jerry Dotson - Trim. Needs lots of back pressure at lower speeds. Gets better
as it gets above 75.
Oscar - This is a William W. circa 2005 conversion, so yes, the crank is nitrided.
Thought about the 5th bearing but will wait until the rebuild. 68" warp
drive prop from William at 7 degrees pitch. Works great so far. X-bracing -
cogitated on that for a long time and then looked at Mr. Pietenpol's planes and
went with him. I'm 5'11" and 190 lbs and can get in the front seat without
too much drama. Based on the fat airplane I've built, I can't take big people
anyway.
Everyone - what I know so far:
- Empty weight 750.
- It takes off good and sprightly.
- I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much better.
Probably my technique.
- It stalls at some ridiculously low speed. I have to use both hands to keep the
stick back to keep it stalled. Stay on top of the rudder and it just flutters
gently down
- It flies happily anywhere between 50 and 95 mph (airspeed indicator not calibrated
yet). 95 is a bit breezy.
- Static rpm is 2650. WOT in level flight gives 2750.
- It's burning about 5 gph in my lazy circles above the airfield.
- The only problems with landings thus far is my technique.
Anyway, I'll put together a more detailed look for everyone. Again, thanks for
the nice thoughts.
Kevin
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| Subject: | West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires |
Gary B wrote: waiting for that giant earthquake when everything east of th
e Sierra's slips into the ocean......
At least that would finally stop those incessant wild fires.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires |
Mike C. wrote: Gary B wrote: waiting for that giant earthquake when everything
east of the Sierras slips into the ocean
At least that would finally stop those incessant wild fires.
Mike
I hope you can swim. YOUR east of the Sierra's the fires are west. Perhaps you
should install floats on your plane.
Chris
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Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Dan, If I recall correctly, in my minds eye, making your current t/w assemb
ly steerable-would not be very tough.- Just weld some ears on it to att
atch cables to and run the cables up through the aft belly and nicopress th
em to the rudder cables behind the seat.- All you may need to make might
be a few fittings to put cable fairleads in.- It might be better to weld
up the lower part of the tail wheel "fork" to get a better fit for a steeri
ng arm.- Check out west coast piet and look at some pics of Don Emch's t/
w, simple and easy to control.- Ours is similar and I have had it in 25-3
0mph gusty x-winds on pavement, and it can be an airplane saver.- Compari
ng it to the fixed t/w we had before steerable is 300% easier and more enjo
yable.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
Hi Dan,
Since your TW is a clip-on to your tail skid for those rare instances
when you'll be flying into paved runways, why not just use a
non-castoring wheel? I'm fairly certain that's what the Sonex folks do...
Dan
helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my
> opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be
> wrong) is
> when
> you're going less than 5 mph.
>
> Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I
> thought I was all done with that!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
kevinpurtee wrote:
> - I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much better.
Probably my technique.
Nope, I don't think it's your technique. That's just the way Mr.
Pietenpol's airfoil works. I just bought N8031 about 6 weeks ago and
I've noticed that keeping the speed higher than I think I should on
short final results in pretty nice three pointers (though I'm still
hooking the tail a little bit...). Mike Cuy made the same observation
about keeping the speed up a few weeks ago on the list (thanks Mike!).
Cheers,
Dan
--
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires |
>Mike
>I hope you can swim. YOUR east of the Sierra's the fires are west.
>Perhaps you should install floats on your plane.
>
>Chris
Holy Moly, he did say EAST of the Sierra's ! Guess I'd better get busy
modifying my Piet with (ala Corky) ping pong balls in the wings and a nice set
of floats. Now where is that old life vest ?
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Eyebrow cowl for corvair |
I shamelessly also used the Van der Voort eyebrow plans and they worked
great, thank you Hans.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:42 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Ryan Mueller sent a nice e-mail and suggested I share more details,
> specifically about the cowl. As I figure out the picture posting thing I
> will.
>
> Anyway, for those interested in the corvair cowl this is what I sent to
> Ryan:
>
> Hi Ryan - Thanks for the kind words.
>
> I've got more pictures of the cowl than you want. I'll try to figure out
> how to post them on the list for others. Regardless, I'll send some of the
> ones that give construction details to you. The other thing I need to do is
> send them to the west coast piet guy. That's been an invaluable resource.
>
> Here's how it went, and it came out okay pretty much by accident:
>
> - I stole shamelessly from Hans Van der Voort. He lives about an hour from
> me so we (there's a girl involved) looked at his cowl before starting mine.
> Mostly I used his attachment methods - pieces of angle attached to the fire
> wall used as tabs to attach the sheet metal.
>
> - Started with the bottom plate. I have access to good sheet metal people
> at work so I carefully measured and marked that piece and had them bend it
> for me at work. Could've done it myself but it came out lots better by the
> pros. The rest of the metal we did by hand in the hangar. That base piece
> made for very tidy seams on the bottom.
>
> - We used poster board for the mock-up and cut out what was in the way, not
> worrying about having it all hang out. Makes it really easy to pre-flight.
>
> - I cut out a plywood disk for the front, and then started hacking away
> until the eyebrow cowls were not obstructed from the front.
>
> - Used a whole bunch of pop rivets and it firmed right up. Durable so far.
>
> Hope this helps. I'll post this on the list for others with questions.
> Again, I'll try to figure out the picture thing.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264688#264688
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | :ee bottom fly-in |
Mike C and anyone else thinking of going,
Received the below email just now.
Skip
Its A Wash - Almost
Due to unprecedented rainfall for September and the ongoing forecast of
such, the Wood, Fabric, & Tailwheels Fly-In will ESSENTIALLY (see rain date
below) be cancelled for the first time in thirteen years. Amazingly, the
runway is still firm but the parking areas, car and plane, are saturated
beyond anything we have ever seen. As you can imagine, this is a difficult
decision for us to make. If we had received just one day of sunshine this
week, the fly-in would still be on but we did not and the forecast is for
continuous rain through Saturday.
When first started, the purpose of the Wood, Fabric, & Tailwheels Fly-In
was to give people a reason to fly and it worked. Every year since, we
have added or improved the parking and spent more money to make the event
the best we could. This year was no exception as our sponsors, our
supporters, and of course Ginger and myself, put more effort into this one
than ever before. It is therefore even more disappointing to cancel. Our
warmest thanks go out to everyone who already saw the writing on the wall
and called to voice their support and understanding in an attempt to cheer
us up.
RAIN DATE: This Sunday sort of.
The weather forecast predicts sunshine for Sunday and anyone who is close
enough and sporting enough to fly or drive in is welcome to join us as for
a cookout at 12:30. Please email us at info@leebottom.com if you plan to
be here so we have an idea of how much to grill. Note: if you drive you
might be parking on the side of the road and if you fly youll be parking
wherever the parking areas are not saturated.
And finally, many years ago when things were below average for me, I made a
promise that any time I thought times were tough, I would remind myself
that somewhere they were worse for someone else. Therefore, we have
already shifted our efforts towards figuring out the most effective way to
give any unused food to those in need. This, for both of us, is an easy
choice and we hope you agree.
Ginger Davidson
Lee Bottom Flying Field
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| Subject: | airspeeds on final approach |
I've experimented with various airspeeds on final and I can divide my results
up into a few simple categories:
Power-off approach:
60 mph indicated: very steep angle to keep speed up, a few seconds in the flare/roundout
to feel for the runway
55 mph indicated: still a steep angle too keep speed up but not as dramatic.
Less time in the flare, not much at all.
Power-on slightly approach
60 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Lots of time in the float
and a much shallower approach angle.
55 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Less time in the float
and same shallower approach angle.
The first few times I landed my plane I flared high and plunked it in a bit.
You have to get a lot lower than
you think to touch down nicely in a Pietenpol and if you flare too high you're
going to drop out onto the runway
because there's much drag associated with our planes so they don't nearly float
like a Champ, Taylorcraft, or Luscombe
might.
Lastly-I have used 50 mph indicated on power off approaches to fly into a friends
1,300' strip and boy
let me just say that you have to round out right next to Mother Earth and expect
milliseconds in the float:)
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| Subject: | 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! |
He lives about an hour from me so we (there's a girl involved)
There you have it:)) Kidding Kevin.
Built my plane between marriages and it took 4.5 years. (or like Jack P. would
say practice wife)
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
I think it's done a lot of different ways as each plane is a little
different. I don't pay much attention to my ASI. I do have a manual AOA
and I pay more attention to it than I do the ASI. It's all about
conditions and flying by feel and sound. Normal landing I come in fairly
high and slow, cut the power, make a rather steep descent to my landing spot
and just before touch-down I add about 50 rpm and a fair share of the time I
can't tell when the wheels touch, in a 3 point. If I don't add power there
may be a minor bounce but still not too bad (although at first I bounced it
bad enough to have to go around) I would guess I'm over the fence at about
55 mph and touch down around 40mph. I suspect it's a lot about how your
plane is rigged.
The madness behind my style is that I strongly believe your chances of
walking away from a crash is hughly increased the slower your going when you
hit, so it's good practice for the day I have to set down somewhere I may
not be real keen to be.
Whatever the style you use, if you get to use the plane again, it must have
been right.
Gene N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
">
>> - I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much
>> better. Probably my technique.
>
> >
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained |
!
Yes, an easy answer, when I looked at the 16 years to complete, I said to myself,
"He's married."
GREAT PLANE, KEVIN! Good for you.
My "practice wife" (see Mike's comment, quoting Jack) of 45 years absolutely hates
the project, fears that it may actually become an aeroplane, and hates any
part of flying, even in 1st class in a 747. Buying her an Amelia Earhart-style
leather helmet did not help. Drugs and hypnosis may be next. Suggestions?
In other matters, I should have two (well, 1.8) good feet again in about two more
weeks. It has cooled off and I am looking forward to moving far more quickly
on the Piet. Now that we have rain again, the cats love the shop, and I often
have to move a cat out of the way to get anything done. No matter, all of
us are happy to be there, doing what we love.
Tim in central TX
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>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:46 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained !
>
>
>
>He lives about an hour from me so we (there's a girl involved)
>
>
>There you have it:)) Kidding Kevin.
>Built my plane between marriages and it took 4.5 years. (or like Jack P. would
say practice wife)
>
>
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| Subject: | spousal aviation support, or not |
Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years ago
he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back
into flying after a 40 year hiatus.
Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened
to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye on.
The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over
the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told
Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and has
flown the heck out of it the past 10 years.
Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didnt keep her word.
Now that's LOVE !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: leaf springs |
Michael,
Thanks for the info.
Did you run a full length second spring, or just partway back?
I made this from a set of trailer springs and kept the unused pieces just i
n
case I wanted to double up later.
I didn't do any heat bending, just used pretty much the original shape,
although I did recurve slightly at one end with a 12 ton press.
It was surprising how easy the whole thing was to machine, both with a
milling machine to reduce the width, then taper the ends and to drill the
holes - kept the bit speed slow, the feed rate low, and lots of coolant. My
drill bit was a good quality bit from a machining store but nothing
particularly exotic.
(Incidentally, the non -aircraft bolts are just temporary)
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Steve,
>
>
> I began taxi testing with a single-leaf spring setup as your photo shows
> you have and found out that it slapped
>
> around back there=97was not stiff enough so I added a second leaf and bou
nd
> the two together with a strap
>
> fitting.
>
>
> Two good reasons for this. Should you break one leaf spring (I=92ve had
it
> happen) the second leaf spring will keep your
>
> tailwheel from bashing up into your rudder and making a mess.
>
>
> Secondly=97if one leaf breaks you still have control of your tailwheel as
it
> will stay in position.
>
>
> Tony Bingelis has a great section in his books where he shows how to dril
l
> holes (you simply use a masonry bit) in spring
>
> steel leafs and how to re-contour/shape without using heat. You don=92t
want
> to use heat to bend a spring.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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| Subject: | spousal aviation support, or not |
Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of aviation. After the
divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, converted 1000 sq feet
into a 2-story condo inside, which my buddies have nicked named the (slut
hut), and the rest is my Piet factory. It's full speed ahead on Piet building,
and nice not to have someone say are you coming in from the garage yet? Oh wait..I
live in that big fancy garage. :)
Brian
SLC, UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years ago
he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back
into flying after a 40 year hiatus.
Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened
to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye on.
The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over
the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told
Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and has
flown the heck out of it the past 10 years.
Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didnt keep her word.
Now that's LOVE !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: airspeeds on final approach |
Mike, good info. You speak of "plunking". This leads me to ask about the
additional wing span that many have commented on. My tailwheel time is in a
C-140 some years ago, and the one thing that struck me the most was the
float with *any* extra speed as you flared it. Since I'm dimensionally
challenged in width, the comments about adding span to the wings caught my
eye. I seem to recall some have wider center sections, but only a foot or
so. Added fuel is a side benefit here.
Now, to add to the wing panels (3 piece) do you just add a bay (rib) to each
and would it be more beneficial to do so inboard or outboard of the strut
attach? I'm thinking here of the strut angle and loading as well as
additional bending forces on the spar if placed outboard. One extra rib bay
and wide center section should provide the additional 4' amount I see
discussed. I'm interested in all thoughts on this.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> I've experimented with various airspeeds on final and I can divide my
> results
> up into a few simple categories:
>
> Power-off approach:
>
> 60 mph indicated: very steep angle to keep speed up, a few seconds in the
> flare/roundout to feel for the runway
> 55 mph indicated: still a steep angle too keep speed up but not as
> dramatic. Less time in the flare, not much at all.
>
> Power-on slightly approach
>
> 60 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Lots of time in the
> float and a much shallower approach angle.
> 55 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Less time in the
> float and same shallower approach angle.
>
>
> The first few times I landed my plane I flared high and plunked it in a
> bit. You have to get a lot lower than
> you think to touch down nicely in a Pietenpol and if you flare too high
> you're going to drop out onto the runway
> because there's much drag associated with our planes so they don't nearly
> float like a Champ, Taylorcraft, or Luscombe
> might.
>
>
> Lastly-I have used 50 mph indicated on power off approaches to fly into a
> friends 1,300' strip and boy
> let me just say that you have to round out right next to Mother Earth and
> expect milliseconds in the float:)
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
I am one of the lucky few that has a loving wife, (just had our 17th annive
rsary) that has no problems with my hobbies. She has been through my car ph
ase, plastic/wood model phase, RC models phase, (choppers/buggys/truck) dru
mming, and now-the the Piet.- We went to a show last year and saw Mike
C.s plane. That was on a Saturday. My wife and I talked about it Sunday and
Monday I ordered my plans.- When I asked her: "So, what do you think abo
ut this plane deal?"- She said: "If that is what you want to do, I don't
care."- How cool is that!?- She helps me on it anytime I need and takes
time to take pictures for me and even get in a few shots herself.
-
I don't know how you guys do it with a not so understanding significant oth
er, but my hats' off to you.
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
I'm with ya there speedbrake... my wife has been supportive on most of my hobbies.
She and my son especially like the Piet project. We get to hang out at the
airport and they already know how fun it is to ride in one (Thanks Bill R.
and Don E.).
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee's First Flight |
Hi Mike - Love your plane. Been looking at it for years.
I'm in Houston, TX.
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| Subject: | Re: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained |
!
There's some truth to that. My life circumstances have changed significantly over
the last two years, to include an airplane friendly girlfriend, so progress
really picked up.
There was other stuff, too, but, yeah, married was definitely a factor.
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| Subject: | Video of NX899KP |
Here's a youtube link. The girl made this up. The takeoff is really the 1st takeoff,
the landing was chosen from a collection of several. I asked her to not
use the real first landing (bounce).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj-LQ0cfyk
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| Subject: | spousal aviation support, or not |
My story is also a good one. I was working on the instrument panel last week and
my wife walked into the shop. As she was sweeping up (ok, I made up that first
part) but she did look at the panel and say "when are you going to stop changing
that thing and just install it and move ahead?".....
Not only is it fantastic that she's encouraging me to keep going but....she actually
notices what I'm working on and what's going on with it...wow. I didn't
actually realize she was paying that much attention.
She once considered taking weekly pictures of my shop to see if any new tools showed
up in "this week's picture" that weren't in "last week's picture"....she
didn't but probably should have!
And anytime I order a tool and try to justify the expense with "But I won't spend
much since I'm getting it at Harbor Freight or wherever..." she always says
no, let's spend the money and get ONLY quality tools. Let's not waste any money
on anything less than the best.
She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger ride and many
more rides together after that...
Life is good..
-----Original Message-----
>From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
>
>
>Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of aviation. After
the divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, converted 1000 sq
feet into a 2-story condo inside, which my buddies have nicked named the (slut
hut), and the rest is my Piet factory. It's full speed ahead on Piet building,
and nice not to have someone say are you coming in from the garage yet? Oh wait..I
live in that big fancy garage. :)
>
>Brian
>SLC, UT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
>
>
>Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years ago
>he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back
>into flying after a 40 year hiatus.
>
>Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened
>to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye on.
>The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over
>the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told
>Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and has
>flown the heck out of it the past 10 years.
>
>Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didnt keep her
word. Now that's LOVE !
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | leaf spring installation sketches |
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| Subject: | Brian Jardine is my new hero |
I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, >converted 1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside.
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
she have a sister?
In a message dated 9/24/2009 3:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
My story is also a good one. I was working on the instrument panel last
week and my wife walked into the shop. As she was sweeping up (ok, I mad
e
up that first part) but she did look at the panel and say "when are you
going to stop changing that thing and just install it and move ahead?"...
..
Not only is it fantastic that she's encouraging me to keep going
but....she actually notices what I'm working on and what's going on with
it...wow.
I didn't actually realize she was paying that much attention.
She once considered taking weekly pictures of my shop to see if any new
tools showed up in "this week's picture" that weren't in "last week's
picture"....she didn't but probably should have!
And anytime I order a tool and try to justify the expense with "But I
won't spend much since I'm getting it at Harbor Freight or wherever..."
she
always says no, let's spend the money and get ONLY quality tools. Let's
not
waste any money on anything less than the best.
She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger ride and
many more rides together after that...
Life is good..
-----Original Message-----
>From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
>
>Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of aviation.
After the divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, convert
ed
1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside, which my buddies have nicked
named the (slut hut), and the rest is my Piet factory. It's full speed ah
ead on
Piet building, and nice not to have someone say are you coming in from th
e
garage yet? Oh wait..I live in that big fancy garage. :)
>
>Brian
>SLC, UT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Micha
el D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]
>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10
years ago
>he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get
back
>into flying after a 40 year hiatus.
>
>Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and
threatened
>to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his
eye on.
>The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit
over
>the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and
told
>Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172
and has
>flown the heck out of it the past 10 years.
>
>Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didn
=99t
keep her word. Now that's LOVE !
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | airspeeds on final approach |
"Dimensionally challenged in width" - nice phrase.
Being narrower than average shouldn't cause any problems.
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I actually
shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife). Several years later
while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks before our wedding.
I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to health problems with
the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I buy it back but offered
it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am keeping both of them for life
this time around. Sue is extremely supportive of my working on the Piet and
will often suggest that I go out to work in the shop because she knows that
makes me happy. She gets the first ride too!
--------
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>She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger ride
>and many more rides together after that...
That's a GREAT story of support from your wife Jim. When I was dating Karen
during the building process she would often times work on the plane with me,
drill holes, glue stuff and had some good suggestions. She's the one who found
my Comet racing go-kart brakes at a nearby Toro dealer who also sold go-karts.
Karen was my first passenger. I met her an undisclosed airport and we did
the ride there since I did not have my 40 hours flown off yet. I knew the plane
had enough hours on it where the bugs were ironed out by then.
I have full support from Karen when I want to go out to the hangar, to a fly-in,
or just hang around airplanes here, there , or anywhere.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Video of NX899KP |
Neato Kevin! Those are some tight quarters at that field, but it sure looks quaint
and secluded. Thanks for sharing.
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
When my wife and I were first married, she was into antiques and I was into airplanes.
With an idea that I thought was worthy of Solomon, I said, " Hey, why
don't we combine the two.........antique airplanes." Needless to say, that didn't
fly (no pun intended). We've been married 26 years and there's a lot I
don't understand yet, but for the most part, she tolerates me and my obsession.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Brian Jardine is my new hero |
The slut hut? Some kind of strange works going on in that Piet plant.
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| Subject: | Re: airspeeds on final approach |
Ha ha ha, if only that were the case.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> "Dimensionally challenged in width" - nice phrase.
>
> Being narrower than average shouldn't cause any problems.
>
> **
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
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not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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| Subject: | totally unrelated--but if you like North American P-51 |
Mustangs
By far this was the best warbird event my wife and I have ever been to--- G
athering
of Mustangs and Legends in Columbus, Ohio two years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5hIR5BJoq0&feature=related
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
You are a lucky man Mike.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, 899PM <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I
> actually shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife).
> Several years later while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks
> before our wedding. I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to
> health problems with the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I
> buy it back but offered it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am
> keeping both of them for life this time around. Sue is extremely supportive
> of my working on the Piet and will often suggest that I go out to work in
> the shop because she knows that makes me happy. She gets the first ride too!
>
> --------
> PAPA MIKE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264775#264775
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Kevin,
Congratulations!!!!!! There is really nothing quite like it. Several years from
now you'll still look back and think, "huh, I really did do that, didn't I...".
The more you land that thing, the better it will get. The more you fly it the
more you will like it. I could go the rest of my life and never fly anything
else and I would be perfectly happy as a pilot. The little quirks have just kind
of grown on me to the point that I just really enjoy them.
The ship is really beautiful. I really like the style of it (imagine that, huh?).
And what's kind of funny is that you'll probably never get tired of just
looking at it.
Fly safe and enjoy it!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
My wife and I dated in my Cessna 150. After getting married, she said "we need
to sell the Cessna.' I thought "Great here it comes, she wants me to quit flying."
I had seen the story unfold before.
Then she added "we need 4 seats and faster." I told her that I loved her.
She is also happy with the Vtail though less so when have it torn apart for long
periods.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
35
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
>
> My story is also a good one. I was working on the instrument panel last week
and my wife walked into the shop. As she was sweeping up (ok, I
> made up that first part) but she did look at the panel and say
> "when are you going to stop changing that thing and just install
> it and move ahead?".....
>
> Not only is it fantastic that she's encouraging me to keep going
> but....she actually notices what I'm working on and what's going
> on with it...wow. I didn't actually realize she was paying that
> much attention.
>
> She once considered taking weekly pictures of my shop to see if
> any new tools showed up in "this week's picture" that weren't in
> "last week's picture"....she didn't but probably should have!
>
> And anytime I order a tool and try to justify the expense with
> "But I won't spend much since I'm getting it at Harbor Freight or
> wherever..." she always says no, let's spend the money and get
> ONLY quality tools. Let's not waste any money on anything less
> than the best.
>
> She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger
> ride and many more rides together after that...
>
> Life is good..
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
> >Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
> >
> >
> >Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of
> aviation. After the divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq
> ft hangar, converted 1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside,
> which my buddies have nicked named the (slut hut), and the rest is
> my Piet factory. It's full speed ahead on Piet building, and nice
> not to have someone say are you coming in from the garage yet? Oh
> wait..I live in that big fancy garage. :)
> >
> >Brian
> >SLC, UT
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D.
> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> >Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
> >
> RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <
> >
> >Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years
ago
> >he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back
> >into flying after a 40 year hiatus.
> >
> >Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened
> >to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye
on.
> >The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over
> >the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told
> >Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and
has
> >flown the heck out of it the past 10 years.
> >
> >Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didnt keep her
word. Now that's LOVE !
> >
> >Mike C.
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I better decide
on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards using band brakes
ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. All three seem to have
used the same brake design, at least the drums look very similar. Does anyone
know whose band brakes these are? Are they from Northern Tool?
By the way I was planning on going to Lee Bottom tomorrow morning and returning
Sunday. With the rain I'll play it by ear. My Wife just said she would still
like to fly in on Sunday if the weather clears. The Davidson's are still going
to have a Barbecue on Sunday if conditions permit. Fortunately for us its less
than a 2 hour flight. Is anyone else going in on Sunday?
Rick S
Valparaiso IN
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this
has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly
has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in
thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you
again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense
in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood,
straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it!
I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where
I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light
at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting,
or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we
are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before
the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
Sue sounds like a smart lady, who also knows how to 'stick it' to the ex!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 899PM
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spousal aviation support, or not
I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I
actually shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife).
Several years later while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks
before our wedding. I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to
health problems with the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I
buy it back but offered it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am
keeping both of them for life this time around. Sue is extremely supportive
of my working on the Piet and will often suggest that I go out to work in
the shop because she knows that makes me happy. She gets the first ride too!
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris' method is that you
get another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say
this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It
certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to
be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his
website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of
grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always
planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have
dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had
completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am
there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for
finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along,
have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when
we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just
before the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Gary,
My biggest problem was ceiling height. I am building in a walkout basement. I actually
had to remove some of the ceiling tiles to work on the gear,
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris method is that you get
another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this
has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly
has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in
thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you
again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense
in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood,
straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it!
I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where
I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light
at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting,
or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we
are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before
the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Video of NX899KP |
Kevin,
Thanks for the video!...practically a vertical takeoff! I would love to see
some pics of your engine during the cowl fitting process. Is your engine
mount longer?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Video of NX899KP
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Here's a youtube link. The girl made this up. The takeoff is really the
1st takeoff, the landing was chosen from a collection of several. I asked
her to not use the real first landing (bounce).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj-LQ0cfyk
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| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Gary:
How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and stored
them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really amazed at how much
room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris method is that you get
another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this
has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly
has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in
thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you
again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense
in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood,
straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it!
I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where
I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light
at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting,
or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we
are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before
the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
You had to ask! Are you a friend of Chris Tracy? He's always giving me
grief
that HE has HIS ribs done! Right now I'm on the center section. Wings to
follow.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Gary:
How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and
stored them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really
amazed
at how much room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris=12 method is
that you
get another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to
say
this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet.
It
certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going
to
be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his
website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours
of
grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always
planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have
dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had
completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I
am
there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel
for
finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way
along,
have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do
when
we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now,
just
before the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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Richard,
These are go-kart brakes. www.gokartsupply.com
<http://www.gokartsupply.com/>
.I'm using non-stretch bungees..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes
I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I better
decide on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards using band
brakes ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. All three seem
to have used the same brake design, at least the drums look very similar.
Does anyone know whose band brakes these are? Are they from Northern Tool?
By the way I was planning on going to Lee Bottom tomorrow morning and
returning Sunday. With the rain I'll play it by ear. My Wife just said she
would still like to fly in on Sunday if the weather clears. The Davidson's
are still going to have a Barbecue on Sunday if conditions permit.
Fortunately for us its less than a 2 hour flight. Is anyone else going in on
Sunday?
Rick S
Valparaiso IN
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Video of NX899KP |
Hi Gary - I'll send you some cowl photos. I'll also post some here. I realize
others may be interested.
I did extend the engine mount. I think it was 1-2 inches. Sorry. It was a long
time ago.
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Hi Don - Appreciate the nice thoughts. I look forward to photographing the two
planes together at some point!
Don't know if you remember me asking you about the lettering several months back.
I ended up using stick-on vinyl for the letters on the wing - worked great.
I used the vinyl as a stencil for the tail and peeled it off after painting
- also worked well. When I went to get the stencils made I took pictures of
your plane and told the guy, "Make that font, please."
Take care,
Kevin
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| Subject: | Airplane pick-up |
Jeff-
-
I got the check, do you know when you might be able to take delivery of my/
your airplane? Pls contact me off-line.
-
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: cables and turnbuckles! |
Hello Folks!
The bits and pieces are slowly looking like aeroplane parts at our
house, so I was wondering what "flavor" of 3/32" cable has been used for
the tail bracing ( 1x19 , 7x7, or ???) -- and on the steel fittings,
has anyone used the 5/8 x .080 4130N strip from AS&S? (or did everyone
get thier's CNC cut!!??) -- I do have some of the 1" x .090 strip for
the misc. strap fittings.
Cheers!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
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| Subject: | cables and turnbuckles! |
Mike,
3/32" 7x7.
If by "CNC" you mean "band saw," Yeah, that's what I did.out of one big
piece of 4130!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Conkling
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables and turnbuckles!
Hello Folks!
The bits and pieces are slowly looking like aeroplane parts at our house, so
I was wondering what "flavor" of 3/32" cable has been used for the tail
bracing ( 1x19 , 7x7, or ???) -- and on the steel fittings, has anyone used
the 5/8 x .080 4130N strip from AS&S? (or did everyone get thier's CNC
cut!!??) -- I do have some of the 1" x .090 strip for the misc. strap
fittings.
Cheers!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
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| Subject: | More cables and turnbuckles |
Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan
to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is
listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions?
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Sunday I may go to Lee Bottom, If I do I'll be driving, it's about 60 miles
for me.
I don't know if Micheal Cuy is going or not I asked him to bring a CD if he
does.
Russell
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Richard,
>
>
> These are go-kart brakes. www.gokartsupply.com
>
>
> =85I=92m using non-stretch bungees=85.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Schreiber
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:13 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes
>
>
> I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I
> better decide on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards
> using band brakes ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. A
ll
> three seem to have used the same brake design, at least the drums look ve
ry
> similar. Does anyone know whose band brakes these are? Are they from
> Northern Tool?
>
>
> By the way I was planning on going to Lee Bottom tomorrow morning and
> returning Sunday. With the rain I'll play it by ear. My Wife just said sh
e
> would still like to fly in on Sunday if the weather clears. The Davidson'
s
> are still going to have a Barbecue on Sunday if conditions permit.
> Fortunately for us its less than a 2 hour flight. Is anyone else going in
on
> Sunday?
>
>
> Rick S
>
> Valparaiso IN
>
>
> Richard Schreiber
>
> lmforge@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airplane pick-up |
Larry...
That's not what I think it is, is it...?!
Don Emch
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Russell,
This doesn't really have anything to do with band brakes, but Lee Bottom
sounds like a wash-out.
Why don't you just pop the $25 in the mail for Mike's DVD, like everyone
else.
By the way, it's worth every penny.
I had the VHS tape, and wore that out, then got the DVD.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Ray
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes
Sunday I may go to Lee Bottom, If I do I'll be driving, it's about 60
miles for me.
I don't know if Micheal Cuy is going or not I asked him to bring a CD if
he does.
Russell
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Rick
It's a great feeling and a big boost to finally get you fuselage on its
gear. Just try not to sit in it to much and pretend.
One of the reasons I built the gear with the fuselage upside down was to
get it up out of the way of the wife and kids. With it up high they
could still park the car in the garage and move about without bumping
the plane. I on the other hand being taller whacked my head into the
axel several times. Ouch!
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Gary,
My biggest problem was ceiling height. I am building in a walkout
basement. I actually had to remove some of the ceiling tiles to work on
the gear,
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris' method is
that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
To: pietenpol-list; Al and Rusty Boushea
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want
to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on
the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought
it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey
has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly
saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the
begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear.
For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always
envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I
would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the
light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are
just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its
not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to
do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and
fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands
now, just before the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Good question Rick, how ARE those ribs coming along Gary? I notice you
still have 15 to build. Didn't you have 15 done last week? It should
only take you another 15 days to finish them right?
By the way, mine look really nice on the spars right next to my
completed center section. I am determined to fly before you do so you
might as well get back to the kitchen remodel.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
You had to ask! Are you a friend of Chris Tracy? He's always giving me
grief that HE has HIS ribs done! Right now I'm on the center section.
Wings to follow.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:28 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Gary:
How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs
and stored them at various locations until I built my wings. I was
really amazed at how much room the ribs and spars took up once assembled
into wings.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris=12 method
is that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
To: pietenpol-list; Al and Rusty Boushea
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want
to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on
the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought
it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey
has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly
saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the
begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear.
For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always
envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I
would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the
light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are
just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its
not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to
do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and
fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands
now, just before the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
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