---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/24/09: 68 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:51 AM - Re: spar material inspection questions (Robert Ray) 2. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? (Robert Ray) 3. 04:09 AM - Re: spar material inspection questions (Ameet Savant) 4. 04:10 AM - Re: First Flight (John Franklin) 5. 04:27 AM - Kevin Purtee's First Flight (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 6. 04:40 AM - leaf springs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 05:13 AM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats (Mike Scovel) 8. 06:17 AM - Re: First Flight (Michael Perez) 9. 06:21 AM - First Flight (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 06:24 AM - First Flight (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 06:42 AM - Eyebrow cowl for corvair (kevinpurtee) 12. 07:09 AM - Re: First Flight (kevinpurtee) 13. 07:19 AM - West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 14. 08:01 AM - Re: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires (Catdesigns) 15. 08:22 AM - Re: tailwheels (shad bell) 16. 08:22 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Dan Yocum) 17. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: First Flight (Dan Yocum) 18. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 19. 09:12 AM - Re: Eyebrow cowl for corvair (at7000ft) 20. 09:12 AM - :ee bottom fly-in (Skip Gadd) 21. 09:39 AM - airspeeds on final approach (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 22. 09:52 AM - 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 23. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: First Flight (Gene & Tammy) 24. 10:13 AM - Re: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! (Tim Willis) 25. 10:43 AM - spousal aviation support, or not (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 26. 10:57 AM - Re: leaf springs (steven sadler) 27. 11:18 AM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 28. 11:24 AM - Re: airspeeds on final approach (Lloyd Smith) 29. 11:24 AM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Michael Perez) 30. 11:31 AM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (K5YAC) 31. 11:36 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee's First Flight (kevinpurtee) 32. 11:46 AM - Re: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! (kevinpurtee) 33. 11:52 AM - Video of NX899KP (kevinpurtee) 34. 12:04 PM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Jim Markle) 35. 12:16 PM - leaf spring installation sketches (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 36. 12:18 PM - Brian Jardine is my new hero (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 37. 12:19 PM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 38. 12:19 PM - Re: airspeeds on final approach (Bill Church) 39. 12:23 PM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (899PM) 40. 12:26 PM - first passenger (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 41. 12:39 PM - Re: Video of NX899KP (K5YAC) 42. 12:46 PM - Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Paul N. Peckham) 43. 12:54 PM - Re: Brian Jardine is my new hero (K5YAC) 44. 12:58 PM - Re: airspeeds on final approach (Lloyd Smith) 45. 01:51 PM - totally unrelated--but if you like North American P-51 Mustangs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 46. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Rick Holland) 47. 02:52 PM - Re: First Flight (Don Emch) 48. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 49. 04:13 PM - Band Brakes (Richard Schreiber) 50. 04:45 PM - Straight Axle Wood Gear (Richard Schreiber) 51. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: spousal aviation support, or not (Gary Boothe) 52. 05:10 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Gary Boothe) 53. 05:19 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Richard Schreiber) 54. 05:28 PM - Re: Video of NX899KP (Gary Boothe) 55. 05:28 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Richard Schreiber) 56. 05:34 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Gary Boothe) 57. 05:58 PM - Re: Band Brakes (Gary Boothe) 58. 06:05 PM - Re: Video of NX899KP (kevinpurtee) 59. 06:11 PM - Re: First Flight (kevinpurtee) 60. 06:19 PM - Airplane pick-up (Lawrence Williams) 61. 06:22 PM - Re: cables and turnbuckles! (Michael Conkling) 62. 06:34 PM - Re: cables and turnbuckles! (Gary Boothe) 63. 07:00 PM - More cables and turnbuckles (K5YAC) 64. 07:12 PM - Re: Band Brakes (Robert Ray) 65. 08:47 PM - Re: Airplane pick-up (Don Emch) 66. 09:38 PM - Re: Band Brakes (Bill Church) 67. 11:19 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear () 68. 11:33 PM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar material inspection questions From: Robert Ray I would try and stay away from any knots in the bottom 1 1/4 inch of spare and the top 1 1/2 inch, that just me woods KNOT that expensive. I would laminate if need be to get clear, pitch pocket, knot free, wood on the outer edges. Then again if I don't kill myself it won't be my intellect but the Grace of God for sure. I'm sure if you poke around a bit more you can find good wood. I like look at the bottom and top edges of the spare as a trapeze artist looks at his rope. Then again I am no expert for sure. Have a nice day Russell On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:29 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: > Again, clarification needed on knots... > > The specs call for "outer 1/4 of spar height to have knots no more than > 1/16 W in size - where W is the width of the spar" loosely quoted. When > stating W in our case do they mean 4 3/4" divided by 16? Or are they saying > 3/4" divided by 16? The sketch in the specs doesn't show W specifically but > the reason I ask is that for the middle half of the spar height, the knot > can be as large as 1/2 W in diameter - where W is the width of the spar. If > this is true, that means you could have a knot as large as 2 3/8" (or less) > and still be ok? That seems like it's a huge knot! Where as if W was equal > the the thickness, it would be 3/8" - seems to make more sense to me.... > > Anyone clarify this for me? > > Tom B. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? From: Robert Ray Why don't you disconnect both mags all input and out put wiring taps, take an olmmeter and measure resistance across the coils, measure the resistance to ground hopfully infinity, if they don't match there it is. Or if they don't match with in say < or > 15% Russell On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > tkreiner wrote: > >> >> Dan, >> >> Without fully understanding what's going on, and without an extensive >> knowledge of your engine, it's somewhat difficult to figure out what's going >> on. A few questions might inform the audience. >> >> Are the mags and ignition harnesses, & spark plugs - new, used, worn out? >> Explain their condition, as it might help. >> >> > One mag is new in the last year. One plug is new 'cause the A&P broke the > old one during the last Annual. The harness is probably the original from > 1979 and probably before. > > >> How about the mechanical condition of the engine? Rebuilt? Describe. >> > > 400 SMOH, ~800 hour since new (estimated). Logs are incomplete from before > 1965, hence the reason for the overhaul. One cylinder was cracked and > replaced in '65 with "the same oversize." Compressions are all in the mid > to high 70's. > > I sent out a sample of the oil for analysis and no red flags were found. > > This plane and engine has flown over 150 tach hours in the last 18 months > and 50 hours in the 2 weeks leading up to Oshkosh! > > >> What fuel are you using? >> > > 100LL with one shot of Marvel Mystery Oil per 15 gallons. > > >> Perhaps there's no problem at all. Even though our expectation is that >> the engine SHOULD show an rpm drop, that is not always the case... On a >> plane I fly regularly, the entire ignition system was recently replaced, >> i.e., new mags, harnesses, plugs, and correctly timed. When the plane was >> put back into service, there was an imperceptible rpm drop. >> >> It turned out, with a near perfect ignition system, clean fuel, etc., the >> engine was burning so clean and completely that there was no discernible >> drop in rpm during mag check. >> > > That's what I'm leaning toward, too. When Tres flew it from California > they flew it flat out as fast and lean as it would go for as long as > possible. > > >> Hope this adds some insight. >> >> > It does! I'm a glass half-full kind of guy but I like to make sure there > aren't any holes in the glass, too. > > The fact that at least one other engine out there in the world exhibits the > same sort of behaviour suggests that mine isn't completely alone. 2 data > points are always better than 1 (but still not great...). > > Thanks, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:43 AM PST US From: Ameet Savant Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar material inspection questions The W stands for the thickness of the spar i.e. 3/4". The actual width of the spar is referred to as the height of the spar. You will also notice as a general spar selection rule, no knot can be larger than 1/2" in size or diameter. I don't know about AS&S, but Wick's at least promises to better that standard by not letting any spar material to have a knot larger than 1/8". Read http://www.wicksaircraft.com/links/Wicks_Links/44_Wicks%20adv.pdf Ameet Savant ________________________________ From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:29:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar material inspection questions Again, clarification needed on knots... The specs call for "outer 1/4 of spar height to have knots no more than 1/16 W in size - where W is the width of the spar" loosely quoted. When stating W in our case do they mean 4 3/4" divided by 16? Or are they saying 3/4" divided by 16? The sketch in the specs doesn't show W specifically but the reason I ask is that for the middle half of the spar height, the knot can be as large as 1/2 W in diameter - where W is the width of the spar. If this is true, that means you could have a knot as large as 2 3/8" (or less) and still be ok? That seems like it's a huge knot! Where as if W was equal the the thickness, it would be 3/8" - seems to make more sense to me.... Anyone clarify this for me? Tom B. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:04 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flight I bought my Corvair core from Kevin Purtee and he was kind enough to start up his Corvair at that time, and that was a big inspiration for me! BTW, one of the reasons his project took so long is because he served at least one tour of duty I know of in Iraq, flying Apache helicopters. Way to go, Kevin! John F. GN-1 / Corvair Richmond, TX >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee >Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:01 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight > > >Hi ?" I?Tve never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in >1993 & made the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, it?Ts >strongly influenced by Frank Pavliga?Ts original Sky Gypsy & Don Emch?Ts >plane. I?Tve attempted to attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me >please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil. I don?Tt usually check >these lists. > >Respectfully submitted, >Kevin Purtee > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264626#264626 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/nx899kp_136.bmp > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:19 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee's First Flight CONGRATULATIONS Kevin and thank you for posting a photo of your Corvair-powered Air Camper. Looks great. Way to stay with it over your 16 year building period ! Mike C. in Ohio PS-- may we ask what part of the country you live in ? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:13 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: leaf springs Steve, I began taxi testing with a single-leaf spring setup as your photo shows yo u have and found out that it slapped around back there-was not stiff enough so I added a second leaf and bound t he two together with a strap fitting. Two good reasons for this. Should you break one leaf spring (I've had it happen) the second leaf spring will keep your tailwheel from bashing up into your rudder and making a mess. Secondly-if one leaf breaks you still have control of your tailwheel as it will stay in position. Tony Bingelis has a great section in his books where he shows how to drill holes (you simply use a masonry bit) in spring steel leafs and how to re-contour/shape without using heat. You don't want to use heat to bend a spring. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats From: "Mike Scovel" I want to thank everyone for their input. I am still in the research mode. Hopefully I can begin building next year. finishing a VariEze at the moment. Utilizing the Corvair engine with the 5th Bearing arrangement. Looking forward to being an active member on this site as soon as I start building and maybe before. -------- Mike Scovel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264681#264681 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Kevin, first off, let me thank you for your service to our country. One vet eran to another, I SALUTE! you sir. - I agree with some of the other posts...we need more pictures...landing gear , cock pits, tail, etc.- We also need more specs. and flight characterist ics. Looks great! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:57 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Roger, Niner-Niner Kilo Papa-! You sure did learn some good lessons from Frank's and Don's airplanes. I'm curious as to whether your Corvair has a nitrided crank in it. That metal prop out there puts a little bit more load on it than a wooden one does, I think. Very pretty airplane; now we need performance numbers! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:12 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Niner Kilo Papa, my bad... looks like you have an adjustable composite prop on that Corvair and not a metal one. I notice that you used the cable X-bracing in the cabanes rather than the brace struts going forward. It makes it just a little bit more dicey for getting a passenger in that front 'pit, eh? But since you're still in test mode, you won't be flying anybody up front there for a while. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrow cowl for corvair From: "kevinpurtee" Ryan Mueller sent a nice e-mail and suggested I share more details, specifically about the cowl. As I figure out the picture posting thing I will. Anyway, for those interested in the corvair cowl this is what I sent to Ryan: Hi Ryan - Thanks for the kind words. I've got more pictures of the cowl than you want. I'll try to figure out how to post them on the list for others. Regardless, I'll send some of the ones that give construction details to you. The other thing I need to do is send them to the west coast piet guy. That's been an invaluable resource. Here's how it went, and it came out okay pretty much by accident: - I stole shamelessly from Hans Van der Voort. He lives about an hour from me so we (there's a girl involved) looked at his cowl before starting mine. Mostly I used his attachment methods - pieces of angle attached to the fire wall used as tabs to attach the sheet metal. - Started with the bottom plate. I have access to good sheet metal people at work so I carefully measured and marked that piece and had them bend it for me at work. Could've done it myself but it came out lots better by the pros. The rest of the metal we did by hand in the hangar. That base piece made for very tidy seams on the bottom. - We used poster board for the mock-up and cut out what was in the way, not worrying about having it all hang out. Makes it really easy to pre-flight. - I cut out a plywood disk for the front, and then started hacking away until the eyebrow cowls were not obstructed from the front. - Used a whole bunch of pop rivets and it firmed right up. Durable so far. Hope this helps. I'll post this on the list for others with questions. Again, I'll try to figure out the picture thing. Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264688#264688 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks for the kind thoughts from everyone. I'll put together a "briefing" with descriptions and pictures and so forth. In the meantime, I'd like to answer some questions. Not sure what the protocol is, but here goes: Jack Phillips - You'd be amazed at the amount of time I've spent looking at your plane on west coast piet. Appreciate it! My machine flies nicely, very well-behaved. It's heavy (nick-named "fat bottomed girl") but takes off and climbs with enthusiasm. Jerry Dotson - Trim. Needs lots of back pressure at lower speeds. Gets better as it gets above 75. Oscar - This is a William W. circa 2005 conversion, so yes, the crank is nitrided. Thought about the 5th bearing but will wait until the rebuild. 68" warp drive prop from William at 7 degrees pitch. Works great so far. X-bracing - cogitated on that for a long time and then looked at Mr. Pietenpol's planes and went with him. I'm 5'11" and 190 lbs and can get in the front seat without too much drama. Based on the fat airplane I've built, I can't take big people anyway. Everyone - what I know so far: - Empty weight 750. - It takes off good and sprightly. - I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much better. Probably my technique. - It stalls at some ridiculously low speed. I have to use both hands to keep the stick back to keep it stalled. Stay on top of the rudder and it just flutters gently down - It flies happily anywhere between 50 and 95 mph (airspeed indicator not calibrated yet). 95 is a bit breezy. - Static rpm is 2650. WOT in level flight gives 2750. - It's burning about 5 gph in my lazy circles above the airfield. - The only problems with landings thus far is my technique. Anyway, I'll put together a more detailed look for everyone. Again, thanks for the nice thoughts. Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264692#264692 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:26 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires Gary B wrote: waiting for that giant earthquake when everything east of th e Sierra's slips into the ocean...... At least that would finally stop those incessant wild fires. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires From: "Catdesigns" Mike C. wrote: Gary B wrote: waiting for that giant earthquake when everything east of the Sierras slips into the ocean At least that would finally stop those incessant wild fires. Mike I hope you can swim. YOUR east of the Sierra's the fires are west. Perhaps you should install floats on your plane. Chris do not archive do not archive -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264698#264698 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:34 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels Dan, If I recall correctly, in my minds eye, making your current t/w assemb ly steerable-would not be very tough.- Just weld some ears on it to att atch cables to and run the cables up through the aft belly and nicopress th em to the rudder cables behind the seat.- All you may need to make might be a few fittings to put cable fairleads in.- It might be better to weld up the lower part of the tail wheel "fork" to get a better fit for a steeri ng arm.- Check out west coast piet and look at some pics of Don Emch's t/ w, simple and easy to control.- Ours is similar and I have had it in 25-3 0mph gusty x-winds on pavement, and it can be an airplane saver.- Compari ng it to the fixed t/w we had before steerable is 300% easier and more enjo yable. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:57 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable Hi Dan, Since your TW is a clip-on to your tail skid for those rare instances when you'll be flying into paved runways, why not just use a non-castoring wheel? I'm fairly certain that's what the Sonex folks do... Dan helspersew@aol.com wrote: > The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my > opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be > wrong) is > when > you're going less than 5 mph. > > Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I > thought I was all done with that! > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:11 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight kevinpurtee wrote: > - I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much better. Probably my technique. Nope, I don't think it's your technique. That's just the way Mr. Pietenpol's airfoil works. I just bought N8031 about 6 weeks ago and I've noticed that keeping the speed higher than I think I should on short final results in pretty nice three pointers (though I'm still hooking the tail a little bit...). Mike Cuy made the same observation about keeping the speed up a few weeks ago on the list (thanks Mike!). Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:55 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Gang-surfing and wildfires >Mike >I hope you can swim. YOUR east of the Sierra's the fires are west. >Perhaps you should install floats on your plane. > >Chris Holy Moly, he did say EAST of the Sierra's ! Guess I'd better get busy modifying my Piet with (ala Corky) ping pong balls in the wings and a nice set of floats. Now where is that old life vest ? Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Eyebrow cowl for corvair From: at7000ft I shamelessly also used the Van der Voort eyebrow plans and they worked great, thank you Hans. Rick On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:42 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Ryan Mueller sent a nice e-mail and suggested I share more details, > specifically about the cowl. As I figure out the picture posting thing I > will. > > Anyway, for those interested in the corvair cowl this is what I sent to > Ryan: > > Hi Ryan - Thanks for the kind words. > > I've got more pictures of the cowl than you want. I'll try to figure out > how to post them on the list for others. Regardless, I'll send some of the > ones that give construction details to you. The other thing I need to do is > send them to the west coast piet guy. That's been an invaluable resource. > > Here's how it went, and it came out okay pretty much by accident: > > - I stole shamelessly from Hans Van der Voort. He lives about an hour from > me so we (there's a girl involved) looked at his cowl before starting mine. > Mostly I used his attachment methods - pieces of angle attached to the fire > wall used as tabs to attach the sheet metal. > > - Started with the bottom plate. I have access to good sheet metal people > at work so I carefully measured and marked that piece and had them bend it > for me at work. Could've done it myself but it came out lots better by the > pros. The rest of the metal we did by hand in the hangar. That base piece > made for very tidy seams on the bottom. > > - We used poster board for the mock-up and cut out what was in the way, not > worrying about having it all hang out. Makes it really easy to pre-flight. > > - I cut out a plywood disk for the front, and then started hacking away > until the eyebrow cowls were not obstructed from the front. > > - Used a whole bunch of pop rivets and it firmed right up. Durable so far. > > Hope this helps. I'll post this on the list for others with questions. > Again, I'll try to figure out the picture thing. > > Kevin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264688#264688 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:30 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Pietenpol-List: :ee bottom fly-in Mike C and anyone else thinking of going, Received the below email just now. Skip Its A Wash - Almost Due to unprecedented rainfall for September and the ongoing forecast of such, the Wood, Fabric, & Tailwheels Fly-In will ESSENTIALLY (see rain date below) be cancelled for the first time in thirteen years. Amazingly, the runway is still firm but the parking areas, car and plane, are saturated beyond anything we have ever seen. As you can imagine, this is a difficult decision for us to make. If we had received just one day of sunshine this week, the fly-in would still be on but we did not and the forecast is for continuous rain through Saturday. When first started, the purpose of the Wood, Fabric, & Tailwheels Fly-In was to give people a reason to fly and it worked. Every year since, we have added or improved the parking and spent more money to make the event the best we could. This year was no exception as our sponsors, our supporters, and of course Ginger and myself, put more effort into this one than ever before. It is therefore even more disappointing to cancel. Our warmest thanks go out to everyone who already saw the writing on the wall and called to voice their support and understanding in an attempt to cheer us up. RAIN DATE: This Sunday sort of. The weather forecast predicts sunshine for Sunday and anyone who is close enough and sporting enough to fly or drive in is welcome to join us as for a cookout at 12:30. Please email us at info@leebottom.com if you plan to be here so we have an idea of how much to grill. Note: if you drive you might be parking on the side of the road and if you fly youll be parking wherever the parking areas are not saturated. And finally, many years ago when things were below average for me, I made a promise that any time I thought times were tough, I would remind myself that somewhere they were worse for someone else. Therefore, we have already shifted our efforts towards figuring out the most effective way to give any unused food to those in need. This, for both of us, is an easy choice and we hope you agree. Ginger Davidson Lee Bottom Flying Field ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:17 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: airspeeds on final approach I've experimented with various airspeeds on final and I can divide my results up into a few simple categories: Power-off approach: 60 mph indicated: very steep angle to keep speed up, a few seconds in the flare/roundout to feel for the runway 55 mph indicated: still a steep angle too keep speed up but not as dramatic. Less time in the flare, not much at all. Power-on slightly approach 60 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Lots of time in the float and a much shallower approach angle. 55 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Less time in the float and same shallower approach angle. The first few times I landed my plane I flared high and plunked it in a bit. You have to get a lot lower than you think to touch down nicely in a Pietenpol and if you flare too high you're going to drop out onto the runway because there's much drag associated with our planes so they don't nearly float like a Champ, Taylorcraft, or Luscombe might. Lastly-I have used 50 mph indicated on power off approaches to fly into a friends 1,300' strip and boy let me just say that you have to round out right next to Mother Earth and expect milliseconds in the float:) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:50 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! He lives about an hour from me so we (there's a girl involved) There you have it:)) Kidding Kevin. Built my plane between marriages and it took 4.5 years. (or like Jack P. would say practice wife) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:32 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight I think it's done a lot of different ways as each plane is a little different. I don't pay much attention to my ASI. I do have a manual AOA and I pay more attention to it than I do the ASI. It's all about conditions and flying by feel and sound. Normal landing I come in fairly high and slow, cut the power, make a rather steep descent to my landing spot and just before touch-down I add about 50 rpm and a fair share of the time I can't tell when the wheels touch, in a 3 point. If I don't add power there may be a minor bounce but still not too bad (although at first I bounced it bad enough to have to go around) I would guess I'm over the fence at about 55 mph and touch down around 40mph. I suspect it's a lot about how your plane is rigged. The madness behind my style is that I strongly believe your chances of walking away from a crash is hughly increased the slower your going when you hit, so it's good practice for the day I have to set down somewhere I may not be real keen to be. Whatever the style you use, if you get to use the plane again, it must have been right. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight "> >> - I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much >> better. Probably my technique. > > > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:52:00 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:23 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! Yes, an easy answer, when I looked at the 16 years to complete, I said to myself, "He's married." GREAT PLANE, KEVIN! Good for you. My "practice wife" (see Mike's comment, quoting Jack) of 45 years absolutely hates the project, fears that it may actually become an aeroplane, and hates any part of flying, even in 1st class in a 747. Buying her an Amelia Earhart-style leather helmet did not help. Drugs and hypnosis may be next. Suggestions? In other matters, I should have two (well, 1.8) good feet again in about two more weeks. It has cooled off and I am looking forward to moving far more quickly on the Piet. Now that we have rain again, the cats love the shop, and I often have to move a cat out of the way to get anything done. No matter, all of us are happy to be there, doing what we love. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" >Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:46 PM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! > > > >He lives about an hour from me so we (there's a girl involved) > > >There you have it:)) Kidding Kevin. >Built my plane between marriages and it took 4.5 years. (or like Jack P. would say practice wife) > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:26 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years ago he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back into flying after a 40 year hiatus. Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye on. The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and has flown the heck out of it the past 10 years. Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didnt keep her word. Now that's LOVE ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: leaf springs From: steven sadler Michael, Thanks for the info. Did you run a full length second spring, or just partway back? I made this from a set of trailer springs and kept the unused pieces just i n case I wanted to double up later. I didn't do any heat bending, just used pretty much the original shape, although I did recurve slightly at one end with a 12 ton press. It was surprising how easy the whole thing was to machine, both with a milling machine to reduce the width, then taper the ends and to drill the holes - kept the bit speed slow, the feed rate low, and lots of coolant. My drill bit was a good quality bit from a machining store but nothing particularly exotic. (Incidentally, the non -aircraft bolts are just temporary) On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Steve, > > > I began taxi testing with a single-leaf spring setup as your photo shows > you have and found out that it slapped > > around back there=97was not stiff enough so I added a second leaf and bou nd > the two together with a strap > > fitting. > > > Two good reasons for this. Should you break one leaf spring (I=92ve had it > happen) the second leaf spring will keep your > > tailwheel from bashing up into your rudder and making a mess. > > > Secondly=97if one leaf breaks you still have control of your tailwheel as it > will stay in position. > > > Tony Bingelis has a great section in his books where he shows how to dril l > holes (you simply use a masonry bit) in spring > > steel leafs and how to re-contour/shape without using heat. You don=92t want > to use heat to bend a spring. > > > Mike C. > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:01 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of aviation. After the divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, converted 1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside, which my buddies have nicked named the (slut hut), and the rest is my Piet factory. It's full speed ahead on Piet building, and nice not to have someone say are you coming in from the garage yet? Oh wait..I live in that big fancy garage. :) Brian SLC, UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years ago he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back into flying after a 40 year hiatus. Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye on. The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and has flown the heck out of it the past 10 years. Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didnt keep her word. Now that's LOVE ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airspeeds on final approach From: Lloyd Smith Mike, good info. You speak of "plunking". This leads me to ask about the additional wing span that many have commented on. My tailwheel time is in a C-140 some years ago, and the one thing that struck me the most was the float with *any* extra speed as you flared it. Since I'm dimensionally challenged in width, the comments about adding span to the wings caught my eye. I seem to recall some have wider center sections, but only a foot or so. Added fuel is a side benefit here. Now, to add to the wing panels (3 piece) do you just add a bay (rib) to each and would it be more beneficial to do so inboard or outboard of the strut attach? I'm thinking here of the strut angle and loading as well as additional bending forces on the spar if placed outboard. One extra rib bay and wide center section should provide the additional 4' amount I see discussed. I'm interested in all thoughts on this. On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Aerospace Corporation]" > > I've experimented with various airspeeds on final and I can divide my > results > up into a few simple categories: > > Power-off approach: > > 60 mph indicated: very steep angle to keep speed up, a few seconds in the > flare/roundout to feel for the runway > 55 mph indicated: still a steep angle too keep speed up but not as > dramatic. Less time in the flare, not much at all. > > Power-on slightly approach > > 60 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Lots of time in the > float and a much shallower approach angle. > 55 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Less time in the > float and same shallower approach angle. > > > The first few times I landed my plane I flared high and plunked it in a > bit. You have to get a lot lower than > you think to touch down nicely in a Pietenpol and if you flare too high > you're going to drop out onto the runway > because there's much drag associated with our planes so they don't nearly > float like a Champ, Taylorcraft, or Luscombe > might. > > > Lastly-I have used 50 mph indicated on power off approaches to fly into a > friends 1,300' strip and boy > let me just say that you have to round out right next to Mother Earth and > expect milliseconds in the float:) > > -- "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954) ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not I am one of the lucky few that has a loving wife, (just had our 17th annive rsary) that has no problems with my hobbies. She has been through my car ph ase, plastic/wood model phase, RC models phase, (choppers/buggys/truck) dru mming, and now-the the Piet.- We went to a show last year and saw Mike C.s plane. That was on a Saturday. My wife and I talked about it Sunday and Monday I ordered my plans.- When I asked her: "So, what do you think abo ut this plane deal?"- She said: "If that is what you want to do, I don't care."- How cool is that!?- She helps me on it anytime I need and takes time to take pictures for me and even get in a few shots herself. - I don't know how you guys do it with a not so understanding significant oth er, but my hats' off to you. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spousal aviation support, or not From: "K5YAC" I'm with ya there speedbrake... my wife has been supportive on most of my hobbies. She and my son especially like the Piet project. We get to hang out at the airport and they already know how fun it is to ride in one (Thanks Bill R. and Don E.). -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264754#264754 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin Purtee's First Flight From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Mike - Love your plane. Been looking at it for years. I'm in Houston, TX. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264755#264755 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! From: "kevinpurtee" There's some truth to that. My life circumstances have changed significantly over the last two years, to include an airplane friendly girlfriend, so progress really picked up. There was other stuff, too, but, yeah, married was definitely a factor. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264759#264759 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Video of NX899KP From: "kevinpurtee" Here's a youtube link. The girl made this up. The takeoff is really the 1st takeoff, the landing was chosen from a collection of several. I asked her to not use the real first landing (bounce). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj-LQ0cfyk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264761#264761 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:24 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not My story is also a good one. I was working on the instrument panel last week and my wife walked into the shop. As she was sweeping up (ok, I made up that first part) but she did look at the panel and say "when are you going to stop changing that thing and just install it and move ahead?"..... Not only is it fantastic that she's encouraging me to keep going but....she actually notices what I'm working on and what's going on with it...wow. I didn't actually realize she was paying that much attention. She once considered taking weekly pictures of my shop to see if any new tools showed up in "this week's picture" that weren't in "last week's picture"....she didn't but probably should have! And anytime I order a tool and try to justify the expense with "But I won't spend much since I'm getting it at Harbor Freight or wherever..." she always says no, let's spend the money and get ONLY quality tools. Let's not waste any money on anything less than the best. She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger ride and many more rides together after that... Life is good.. -----Original Message----- >From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com >Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not > > >Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of aviation. After the divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, converted 1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside, which my buddies have nicked named the (slut hut), and the rest is my Piet factory. It's full speed ahead on Piet building, and nice not to have someone say are you coming in from the garage yet? Oh wait..I live in that big fancy garage. :) > >Brian >SLC, UT > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] >Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not > > >Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years ago >he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back >into flying after a 40 year hiatus. > >Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened >to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye on. >The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over >the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told >Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and has >flown the heck out of it the past 10 years. > >Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didnt keep her word. Now that's LOVE ! > >Mike C. > >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:29 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: leaf spring installation sketches ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:19 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brian Jardine is my new hero I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, >converted 1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:06 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not she have a sister? In a message dated 9/24/2009 3:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle My story is also a good one. I was working on the instrument panel last week and my wife walked into the shop. As she was sweeping up (ok, I mad e up that first part) but she did look at the panel and say "when are you going to stop changing that thing and just install it and move ahead?"... .. Not only is it fantastic that she's encouraging me to keep going but....she actually notices what I'm working on and what's going on with it...wow. I didn't actually realize she was paying that much attention. She once considered taking weekly pictures of my shop to see if any new tools showed up in "this week's picture" that weren't in "last week's picture"....she didn't but probably should have! And anytime I order a tool and try to justify the expense with "But I won't spend much since I'm getting it at Harbor Freight or wherever..." she always says no, let's spend the money and get ONLY quality tools. Let's not waste any money on anything less than the best. She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger ride and many more rides together after that... Life is good.. -----Original Message----- >From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com >Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com > >Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of aviation. After the divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, convert ed 1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside, which my buddies have nicked named the (slut hut), and the rest is my Piet factory. It's full speed ah ead on Piet building, and nice not to have someone say are you coming in from th e garage yet? Oh wait..I live in that big fancy garage. :) > >Brian >SLC, UT > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Micha el D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] >Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > >Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years ago >he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back >into flying after a 40 year hiatus. > >Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened >to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye on. >The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over >the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told >Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and has >flown the heck out of it the past 10 years. > >Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didn =99t keep her word. Now that's LOVE ! > >Mike C. > >do not archive > > ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: airspeeds on final approach From: "Bill Church" "Dimensionally challenged in width" - nice phrase. Being narrower than average shouldn't cause any problems. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spousal aviation support, or not From: "899PM" I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I actually shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife). Several years later while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks before our wedding. I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to health problems with the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I buy it back but offered it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am keeping both of them for life this time around. Sue is extremely supportive of my working on the Piet and will often suggest that I go out to work in the shop because she knows that makes me happy. She gets the first ride too! -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264775#264775 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:52 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: first passenger >She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger ride >and many more rides together after that... That's a GREAT story of support from your wife Jim. When I was dating Karen during the building process she would often times work on the plane with me, drill holes, glue stuff and had some good suggestions. She's the one who found my Comet racing go-kart brakes at a nearby Toro dealer who also sold go-karts. Karen was my first passenger. I met her an undisclosed airport and we did the ride there since I did not have my 40 hours flown off yet. I knew the plane had enough hours on it where the bugs were ironed out by then. I have full support from Karen when I want to go out to the hangar, to a fly-in, or just hang around airplanes here, there , or anywhere. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Video of NX899KP From: "K5YAC" Neato Kevin! Those are some tight quarters at that field, but it sure looks quaint and secluded. Thanks for sharing. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264778#264778 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spousal aviation support, or not From: "Paul N. Peckham" When my wife and I were first married, she was into antiques and I was into airplanes. With an idea that I thought was worthy of Solomon, I said, " Hey, why don't we combine the two.........antique airplanes." Needless to say, that didn't fly (no pun intended). We've been married 26 years and there's a lot I don't understand yet, but for the most part, she tolerates me and my obsession. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264779#264779 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brian Jardine is my new hero From: "K5YAC" The slut hut? Some kind of strange works going on in that Piet plant. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264783#264783 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airspeeds on final approach From: Lloyd Smith Ha ha ha, if only that were the case. On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Bill Church wrote: > "Dimensionally challenged in width" - nice phrase. > > Being narrower than average shouldn't cause any problems. > > ** > > * > > > * > > -- "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954) ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:48 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally unrelated--but if you like North American P-51 Mustangs By far this was the best warbird event my wife and I have ever been to--- G athering of Mustangs and Legends in Columbus, Ohio two years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5hIR5BJoq0&feature=related ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spousal aviation support, or not From: Rick Holland You are a lucky man Mike. Rick On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, 899PM wrote: > > I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I > actually shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife). > Several years later while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks > before our wedding. I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to > health problems with the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I > buy it back but offered it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am > keeping both of them for life this time around. Sue is extremely supportive > of my working on the Piet and will often suggest that I go out to work in > the shop because she knows that makes me happy. She gets the first ride too! > > -------- > PAPA MIKE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264775#264775 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight From: "Don Emch" Kevin, Congratulations!!!!!! There is really nothing quite like it. Several years from now you'll still look back and think, "huh, I really did do that, didn't I...". The more you land that thing, the better it will get. The more you fly it the more you will like it. I could go the rest of my life and never fly anything else and I would be perfectly happy as a pilot. The little quirks have just kind of grown on me to the point that I just really enjoy them. The ship is really beautiful. I really like the style of it (imagine that, huh?). And what's kind of funny is that you'll probably never get tired of just looking at it. Fly safe and enjoy it! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264808#264808 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:30 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not My wife and I dated in my Cessna 150. After getting married, she said "we need to sell the Cessna.' I thought "Great here it comes, she wants me to quit flying." I had seen the story unfold before. Then she added "we need 4 seats and faster." I told her that I loved her. She is also happy with the Vtail though less so when have it torn apart for long periods. Blue Skies, Steve D 35 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not > > My story is also a good one. I was working on the instrument panel last week and my wife walked into the shop. As she was sweeping up (ok, I > made up that first part) but she did look at the panel and say > "when are you going to stop changing that thing and just install > it and move ahead?"..... > > Not only is it fantastic that she's encouraging me to keep going > but....she actually notices what I'm working on and what's going > on with it...wow. I didn't actually realize she was paying that > much attention. > > She once considered taking weekly pictures of my shop to see if > any new tools showed up in "this week's picture" that weren't in > "last week's picture"....she didn't but probably should have! > > And anytime I order a tool and try to justify the expense with > "But I won't spend much since I'm getting it at Harbor Freight or > wherever..." she always says no, let's spend the money and get > ONLY quality tools. Let's not waste any money on anything less > than the best. > > She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger > ride and many more rides together after that... > > Life is good.. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com > >Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not > > > > > >Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of > aviation. After the divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq > ft hangar, converted 1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside, > which my buddies have nicked named the (slut hut), and the rest is > my Piet factory. It's full speed ahead on Piet building, and nice > not to have someone say are you coming in from the garage yet? Oh > wait..I live in that big fancy garage. :) > > > >Brian > >SLC, UT > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. > (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] > >Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not > > > RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" < > > > >Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10 years ago > >he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get back > >into flying after a 40 year hiatus. > > > >Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and threatened > >to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his eye on. > >The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit over > >the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and told > >Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172 and has > >flown the heck out of it the past 10 years. > > > >Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didnt keep her word. Now that's LOVE ! > > > >Mike C. > > > >do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:32 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I better decide on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards using band brakes ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. All three seem to have used the same brake design, at least the drums look very similar. Does anyone know whose band brakes these are? Are they from Northern Tool? By the way I was planning on going to Lee Bottom tomorrow morning and returning Sunday. With the rain I'll play it by ear. My Wife just said she would still like to fly in on Sunday if the weather clears. The Davidson's are still going to have a Barbecue on Sunday if conditions permit. Fortunately for us its less than a 2 hour flight. Is anyone else going in on Sunday? Rick S Valparaiso IN Richard Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:15 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard. For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly? P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before the spreader bars were added.. Rick Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:24 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: spousal aviation support, or not Sue sounds like a smart lady, who also knows how to 'stick it' to the ex! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 899PM Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spousal aviation support, or not I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I actually shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife). Several years later while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks before our wedding. I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to health problems with the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I buy it back but offered it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am keeping both of them for life this time around. Sue is extremely supportive of my working on the Piet and will often suggest that I go out to work in the shop because she knows that makes me happy. She gets the first ride too! -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264775#264775 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:27 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Richard, Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris' method is that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard. For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly? P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before the spreader bars were added.. Rick Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:59 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Gary, My biggest problem was ceiling height. I am building in a walkout basement. I actually had to remove some of the ceiling tiles to work on the gear, ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Richard, Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris method is that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard. For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly? P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before the spreader bars were added.. Rick Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:05 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Video of NX899KP Kevin, Thanks for the video!...practically a vertical takeoff! I would love to see some pics of your engine during the cowl fitting process. Is your engine mount longer? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Video of NX899KP Here's a youtube link. The girl made this up. The takeoff is really the 1st takeoff, the landing was chosen from a collection of several. I asked her to not use the real first landing (bounce). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj-LQ0cfyk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264761#264761 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:32 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Gary: How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and stored them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really amazed at how much room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Richard, Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris method is that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard. For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly? P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before the spreader bars were added.. Rick Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:34 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear You had to ask! Are you a friend of Chris Tracy? He's always giving me grief that HE has HIS ribs done! Right now I'm on the center section. Wings to follow. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Gary: How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and stored them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really amazed at how much room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Richard, Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris=12 method is that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard. For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly? P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before the spreader bars were added.. Rick Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net <> ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:54 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes Richard, These are go-kart brakes. www.gokartsupply.com .I'm using non-stretch bungees.. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I better decide on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards using band brakes ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. All three seem to have used the same brake design, at least the drums look very similar. Does anyone know whose band brakes these are? Are they from Northern Tool? By the way I was planning on going to Lee Bottom tomorrow morning and returning Sunday. With the rain I'll play it by ear. My Wife just said she would still like to fly in on Sunday if the weather clears. The Davidson's are still going to have a Barbecue on Sunday if conditions permit. Fortunately for us its less than a 2 hour flight. Is anyone else going in on Sunday? Rick S Valparaiso IN Richard Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Video of NX899KP From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Gary - I'll send you some cowl photos. I'll also post some here. I realize others may be interested. I did extend the engine mount. I think it was 1-2 inches. Sorry. It was a long time ago. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264843#264843 ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Don - Appreciate the nice thoughts. I look forward to photographing the two planes together at some point! Don't know if you remember me asking you about the lettering several months back. I ended up using stick-on vinyl for the letters on the wing - worked great. I used the vinyl as a stencil for the tail and peeled it off after painting - also worked well. When I went to get the stencils made I took pictures of your plane and told the guy, "Make that font, please." Take care, Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264848#264848 ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:25 PM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airplane pick-up Jeff- - I got the check, do you know when you might be able to take delivery of my/ your airplane? Pls contact me off-line. - Larry - Do not archive=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:23 PM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables and turnbuckles! Hello Folks! The bits and pieces are slowly looking like aeroplane parts at our house, so I was wondering what "flavor" of 3/32" cable has been used for the tail bracing ( 1x19 , 7x7, or ???) -- and on the steel fittings, has anyone used the 5/8 x .080 4130N strip from AS&S? (or did everyone get thier's CNC cut!!??) -- I do have some of the 1" x .090 strip for the misc. strap fittings. Cheers! Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:05 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables and turnbuckles! Mike, 3/32" 7x7. If by "CNC" you mean "band saw," Yeah, that's what I did.out of one big piece of 4130! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Conkling Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables and turnbuckles! Hello Folks! The bits and pieces are slowly looking like aeroplane parts at our house, so I was wondering what "flavor" of 3/32" cable has been used for the tail bracing ( 1x19 , 7x7, or ???) -- and on the steel fittings, has anyone used the 5/8 x .080 4130N strip from AS&S? (or did everyone get thier's CNC cut!!??) -- I do have some of the 1" x .090 strip for the misc. strap fittings. Cheers! Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles From: "K5YAC" Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858 ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes From: Robert Ray Sunday I may go to Lee Bottom, If I do I'll be driving, it's about 60 miles for me. I don't know if Micheal Cuy is going or not I asked him to bring a CD if he does. Russell On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Richard, > > > These are go-kart brakes. www.gokartsupply.com > > > =85I=92m using non-stretch bungees=85. > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Schreiber > *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:13 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes > > > I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I > better decide on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards > using band brakes ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. A ll > three seem to have used the same brake design, at least the drums look ve ry > similar. Does anyone know whose band brakes these are? Are they from > Northern Tool? > > > By the way I was planning on going to Lee Bottom tomorrow morning and > returning Sunday. With the rain I'll play it by ear. My Wife just said sh e > would still like to fly in on Sunday if the weather clears. The Davidson' s > are still going to have a Barbecue on Sunday if conditions permit. > Fortunately for us its less than a 2 hour flight. Is anyone else going in on > Sunday? > > > Rick S > > Valparaiso IN > > > Richard Schreiber > > lmforge@earthlink.net > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airplane pick-up From: "Don Emch" Larry... That's not what I think it is, is it...?! Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264876#264876 ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:28 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes From: "Bill Church" Russell, This doesn't really have anything to do with band brakes, but Lee Bottom sounds like a wash-out. Why don't you just pop the $25 in the mail for Mike's DVD, like everyone else. By the way, it's worth every penny. I had the VHS tape, and wore that out, then got the DVD. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes Sunday I may go to Lee Bottom, If I do I'll be driving, it's about 60 miles for me. I don't know if Micheal Cuy is going or not I asked him to bring a CD if he does. Russell ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:52 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Rick It's a great feeling and a big boost to finally get you fuselage on its gear. Just try not to sit in it to much and pretend. One of the reasons I built the gear with the fuselage upside down was to get it up out of the way of the wife and kids. With it up high they could still park the car in the garage and move about without bumping the plane. I on the other hand being taller whacked my head into the axel several times. Ouch! Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:19 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Gary, My biggest problem was ceiling height. I am building in a walkout basement. I actually had to remove some of the ceiling tiles to work on the gear, ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Richard, Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris' method is that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM To: pietenpol-list; Al and Rusty Boushea Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard. For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly? P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before the spreader bars were added.. Rick Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:52 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Good question Rick, how ARE those ribs coming along Gary? I notice you still have 15 to build. Didn't you have 15 done last week? It should only take you another 15 days to finish them right? By the way, mine look really nice on the spars right next to my completed center section. I am determined to fly before you do so you might as well get back to the kitchen remodel. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear You had to ask! Are you a friend of Chris Tracy? He's always giving me grief that HE has HIS ribs done! Right now I'm on the center section. Wings to follow. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:28 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Gary: How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and stored them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really amazed at how much room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Richard, Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris=12 method is that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM To: pietenpol-list; Al and Rusty Boushea Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard. For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly? P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before the spreader bars were added.. 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