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1. 04:42 AM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Gary Boothe)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jack Phillips)
3. 05:44 AM - Test (Ameet Savant)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: Test (Jack Phillips)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (K5YAC)
6. 06:11 AM - First Flight (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
8. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Gene & Tammy)
9. 06:25 AM - Re: Test (Gene & Tammy)
10. 06:40 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (K5YAC)
11. 06:57 AM - Re: Test (Ryan Mueller)
12. 07:12 AM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Richard Schreiber)
13. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jim Markle)
14. 07:25 AM - Re: Test (Gary Boothe)
15. 07:35 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (K5YAC)
16. 08:26 AM - Re: Test (Dan Yocum)
17. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Tim Willis)
18. 08:47 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jack Phillips)
19. 08:47 AM - Testing from gmail (Ameet Savant)
20. 08:52 AM - Re: Testing from gmail (Gary Boothe)
21. 08:58 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
22. 09:07 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Gary Boothe)
23. 09:10 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jack Phillips)
24. 10:12 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
25. 10:34 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Dan Yocum)
26. 11:11 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Richard Schreiber)
27. 11:11 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jack Phillips)
28. 11:41 AM - The Pietenpol Story (Gene & Tammy)
29. 12:21 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Matt Redmond)
30. 01:08 PM - The Pietenpol Story (Oscar Zuniga)
31. 01:11 PM - Kevin's Airplane and Lettering (Don Emch)
32. 02:41 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Steve Ruse)
33. 03:00 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Gene & Tammy)
34. 03:11 PM - Re: tailwheels (helspersew@aol.com)
35. 03:39 PM - Re: First Flight (Jim)
36. 03:51 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Rick Holland)
37. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: how do I view photos (Robert Butsch)
38. 04:09 PM - Re: Kevin's Airplane and Lettering (Rick Holland)
39. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Jim)
40. 05:21 PM - Wood Options (Dave and Connie)
41. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: how do I view photos (Ryan Mueller)
42. 06:10 PM - Re: Wood Options (Gary Boothe)
43. 11:16 PM - Re: Wood Options (Mike Tunnicliffe)
44. 11:17 PM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Clif Dawson)
45. 11:38 PM - Re: Wood Options (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Why!...I ought'a..!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
catdesigns@att.net
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Good question Rick, how ARE those ribs coming along Gary? I notice you
still
have 15 to build. Didn't you have 15 done last week? It should only take
you
another 15 days to finish them right?
By the way, mine look really nice on the spars right next to my
completed
center section. I am determined to fly before you do so you might as
well
get back to the kitchen remodel.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
You had to ask! Are you a friend of Chris Tracy? He's always giving me
grief
that HE has HIS ribs done! Right now I'm on the center section. Wings to
follow.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Gary:
How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and
stored them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really
amazed
at how much room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris=12 method is
that you
get another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to
say
this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet.
It
certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going
to
be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his
website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours
of
grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always
planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have
dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had
completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I
am
there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel
for
finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way
along,
have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do
when
we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now,
just
before the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | More cables and turnbuckles |
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
Suggestions?
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Mark - working on wings
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Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some one reply
back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol list?
Thanks
Ameet
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No
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet Savant
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test
Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some one
reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol
list?
Thanks
Ameet
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| Subject: | Re: More cables and turnbuckles |
Darn, that is what I was afraid of... the pain in the butt part. Maybe some kind
of jig can be devised to hold the thimble and cable while the nicopress sleeve
is installed? Either way, I want to use the right stuff. Thanks for the
info Jack.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Niner Kilo Papa, when I heard your static and WOT RPMs for
that Corvair, I thought you were leaving quite a bit of HP
on the table but it's not so. Looking at the power curves
for the stock 110HP Corvair, at your static of 2650 RPM the
gross output is 76 HP... more than my Cont. A75 ;o) And at
your WOT of 2750, the book shows 80HP. So I guess you're
entitled to drag around that extra empty weight. You listed
750 as your empty weight; my airplane weighs 627 with no
fuel or oil aboard.
I'll bet the higher weight also contributes to the descent
rate on final and the need to bring it over the fence at
60 or so. I like 55 MPH in relatively calm air but I
do carry a bit more airspeed when it's windy or gusty.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: More cables and turnbuckles |
Jack why the different cables in those locations?
I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and
where
John
In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
Suggestions?
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: More cables and turnbuckles |
Mark, go to an electrical suppy store and buy yourself a split bolt. The
kind electrical workers use to join two large copper wires together. That
will firmly hold the cable together while you compress the nicopress.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles
>
> Darn, that is what I was afraid of... the pain in the butt part. Maybe
> some kind of jig can be devised to hold the thimble and cable while the
> nicopress sleeve is installed? Either way, I want to use the right stuff.
> Thanks for the info Jack.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264901#264901
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that was mean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Test
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> No
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet
> Savant
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test
>
>
> Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some
> one
> reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol
> list?
>
> Thanks
> Ameet
>
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| Subject: | Re: More cables and turnbuckles |
Thanks Gene... I pass a big electrical supply store every day on the way home.
I'll stop in tonight.
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And that was pointless. :)
If you want to see if your posts are making it through without sending
"Hello, hello?" messages to the list (while also failing to add 'do not
archive' to such messages), go to http://forum.matronics.com and scroll down
to find the link to the web based version of the Pietenpol-List. If your
messages are making it through you will find them in there.
Ryan
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net
> wrote:
> zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
>
> that was mean
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net
> >
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:47 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Test
>
>
>> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> No
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet
>> Savant
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test
>>
>> >
>>
>> Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some
>> one
>> reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol
>> list?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ameet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Chris:
I know what you mean about wacking your head! I still have the scars.
Rick
Valparaiso, In
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 9/25/2009 1:22:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Rick
It's a great feeling and a big boost to finally get you fuselage on its gear.
Just try not to sit in it to much and pretend.
One of the reasons I built the gear with the fuselage upside down was to get it
up out of the way of the wife and kids. With it up high they could still park
the car in the garage and move about without bumping the plane. I on the other
hand being taller whacked my head into the axel several times. Ouch!
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: More cables and turnbuckles |
It's not that bad. Come on by and I'll show you....
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Sep 25, 2009 7:00 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles
>
>
>Darn, that is what I was afraid of... the pain in the butt part. Maybe some kind
of jig can be devised to hold the thimble and cable while the nicopress sleeve
is installed? Either way, I want to use the right stuff. Thanks for the
info Jack.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264901#264901
>
>
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WOW! .mean, pointless and direct! This is a tough group! ;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Test
And that was pointless. :)
If you want to see if your posts are making it through without sending
"Hello, hello?" messages to the list (while also failing to add 'do not
archive' to such messages), go to http://forum.matronics.com and scroll down
to find the link to the web based version of the Pietenpol-List. If your
messages are making it through you will find them in there.
Ryan
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Gene & Tammy
<zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
<zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
that was mean
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Test
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
No
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet Savant
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test
Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some one
reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol
list?
Thanks
Ameet
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| Subject: | Re: More cables and turnbuckles |
It's going to be a beautiful weekend here Jim... are you going to be home? I'd
like to take another look at your wing if you have time to be in the shop.
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Yup. Tough crowd, and we will be here all week. And next. And the next...
Ameet - I had the same problem a couple days ago, too, so it's not just you.
Dan
Gary Boothe wrote:
> WOW! mean, pointless and direct! This is a tough group! ;-)
>
>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
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Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: More cables and turnbuckles |
Mark, you can get such a split bolt at Lowe's or Home Depot. I recall them to
be about $2 each. You only need one.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
>Sent: Sep 25, 2009 8:17 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: PieMartenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles
>
>
>Mark, go to an electrical suppy store and buy yourself a split bolt. The
>kind electrical workers use to join two large copper wires together. That
>will firmly hold the cable together while you compress the nicopress.
>Gene
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:00 AM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles
>
>
>>
>> Darn, that is what I was afraid of... the pain in the butt part. Maybe
>> some kind of jig can be devised to hold the thimble and cable while the
>> nicopress sleeve is installed? Either way, I want to use the right stuff.
>> Thanks for the info Jack.
>>
>> --------
>> Mark - working on wings
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264901#264901
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| Subject: | More cables and turnbuckles |
Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where
I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables
or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the
flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Jack why the different cables in those locations?
I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and
where
John
In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
Suggestions?
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My Yahoo email address is giving me a lot of grief. The Pietenpol list
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Ameet,
Loud and clear!
Got any ribs done? Send some pics of your progress.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between
the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop
shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material
stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material?
In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So
where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control
cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the
flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19.
Jack
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Jack why the different cables in those locations?
I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and
where
John
In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
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Correction to an earlier post I made in haste (would that be "post haste").
I am using 7 x19 galvanized through out. Mine is not flight tested, but I am
following the lead of others who have. I tried some 1 x 19 and decided it
wasn't worth the PIA.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between
the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop
shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material
stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material?
In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where
I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables
or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the
flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19.
Jack
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Jack why the different cables in those locations?
I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and
where
John
In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
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I used stainless steel cable. Nicopress fittings were copper.
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between
the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop
shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material
stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material?
In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where
I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables
or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the
flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19.
Jack
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Jack why the different cables in those locations?
I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and
where
John
In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on this as a viable selection for a one stop
shop for a Piets cable? I am interested in hearing your thoughts. Pro if
any and con.
Thanks
John
Wire Rope - Aircraft Cable 1/8", 7x7, 500 ft reel.
Price: $25.00
This item is in stock
Quantity:
Brief Description
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Specifications
Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength.
Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength.
In a message dated 9/25/2009 12:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
I used stainless steel cable. Nicopress fittings were copper.
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I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between
the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop
shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material
stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material?
In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So
where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control
cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the
flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19.
Jack
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Jack why the different cables in those locations?
I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and
where
John
In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
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Dan,
I verified last night that the Sonex has a direct and hard steering link
connection to the tailwheel - no springs, no castoring.
I still think you could just make your tailwheel a non-castoring,
non-steerable arrangement.
Cheers,
Dan
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> opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be
> wrong) is
> when
> you're going less than 5 mph.
>
> Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I
> thought I was all done with that!
>
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John:
I asked a couple of AP's at the field about using cable from Sears or the local
tractor supply. The cable was identified as being aircraft grade. All of them
said don't. Just by from a legitimate aircraft supplier. Even though it may be
listed as aircraft grade, it may not be. The risk is too grate for the cost
savings. Actually the local stuff was more expensive than Aircraft Spruce.
Rick S
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Does anyone have any thoughts on this as a viable selection for a one stop shop
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Thanks
John
Wire Rope - Aircraft Cable 1/8", 7x7, 500 ft reel.
Price: $25.00
This item is in stock
Quantity:
Brief Description
Detailed Description
Specifications
Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength. Galvanized
Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength.
In a message dated 9/25/2009 12:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net
writes:
I used stainless steel cable. Nicopress fittings were copper.
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:57 AM
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I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between the
1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop shop method
and just use that through out? What was your cabling material stainless,
galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material?
In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net
writes:
Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where I needed
stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables or the
wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the flying wires)
I used the more flexible 7 x 19.
Jack
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Jack why the different cables in those locations?
I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where
John
In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net
writes:
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
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Would probably be fine, although you don't need all that much 1/8" cable. I
used 3/32" for the tail bracing wires and all the control cables.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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and con.
Thanks
John
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Price: $25.00
This item is in stock
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Brief Description
Detailed Description
Specifications
Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength.
Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength.
In a message dated 9/25/2009 12:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
I used stainless steel cable. Nicopress fittings were copper.
_____
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I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between
the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop
shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material
stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material?
In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where
I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables
or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the
flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19.
Jack
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Jack why the different cables in those locations?
I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and
where
John
In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
Suggestions?
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| Subject: | The Pietenpol Story |
Wondering if anyone has Chet Peek's e-mail or home address? Current
price of "The Pietenpol Story"? Looking to buy one for a friend to
encourage him to build a Piet.
Gene in rainy Tennessee
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| Subject: | Re: The Pietenpol Story |
Was about $24 at Oshkosh (at his table).
Chester L. Peek
1861 Danfield Dr.
Norman, Oklahoma 73072
http://www.threepeakspub.com/
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net
> wrote:
> Wondering if anyone has Chet Peek's e-mail or home address? Current
> price of "The Pietenpol Story"? Looking to buy one for a friend to
> encourage him to build a Piet.
> Gene in rainy Tennessee
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | The Pietenpol Story |
Such a deal! The book is $59.99 on Amazon, so go direct
to Chet to buy one.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Kevin's Airplane and Lettering |
Kevin...
I did the same thing as you with the lettering. I used someone else's. I borrowed
some of Frank Pavliga's pictures of Pietenpol's from the 1930's when I was
getting ready to paint. Of course, just like today there were many different
paint schemes and designs, but the one thing I really noticed was that none
of them used the standard issue block letters and numbers. These were pictures
from the very early '30's and those standard letters and numbers had not really
come into use yet. So I picked one style that I thought was simple and 'Pietenpol-like',
whatever that might be. When the sign painter arrived I just
handed her the picture and said, "paint the numbers like those ones". This summer
I added a little lettering to the side of the fuselage. Very simple and
basic, but for those I just went to my friend down the road who does vinyl lettering
and had her make a stencil for me that I then brushed on with "1 shot"
sign paint. Very simple and much cheaper than paying a sign painter to do it.
However it does not look anything like what a good sign painter can do. Those
sign painter are very talented!
Again Kevin, super looking airplane!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: The Pietenpol Story |
If you are looking for the book, you can get it here:
http://threepeakspub.com/
Steve Ruse
Quoting Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> Such a deal! The book is $59.99 on Amazon, so go direct
> to Chet to buy one.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Pietenpol Story |
Thanks everyone that replyed. The book is ordered.
Thank you
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Pietenpol Story
> <steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> If you are looking for the book, you can get it here:
>
> http://threepeakspub.com/
>
> Steve Ruse
>
> Quoting Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>:
>
>> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Such a deal! The book is $59.99 on Amazon, so go direct
>> to Chet to buy one.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
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Shad,
I think after reading this post,?you have convinced me to do this. When I remove
my "quick disconnect" tailwheel I will have to stash those cables inside the
fuse somehow until I need them again. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:18 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels
Dan, If I recall correctly, in my minds eye, making your current t/w assembly steerable?would
not be very tough.? Just weld some ears on it to attatch cables
to and run the cables up through the aft belly and nicopress them to the rudder
cables behind the seat.? All you may need to make might be a few fittings to
put cable fairleads in.? It might be better to weld up the lower part of the
tail wheel "fork" to get a better fit for a steering arm.? Check out west coast
piet and look at some pics of Don Emch's t/w, simple and easy to control.?
Ours is similar and I have had it in 25-30mph gusty x-winds on pavement, and it
can be an airplane saver.? Comparing it to the fixed t/w we had before steerable
is 300% easier and more enjoyable.
?
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: The Pietenpol Story |
Since you brought up the subject I would highly recommend 'The Pietenpol
Story' to all Piet builders, should be required reading. Have several of
Chet Peeks other books and they are just as good. Chet is a regular at
Broadhead.
rick
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Gene & Tammy <
zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
> Wondering if anyone has Chet Peek's e-mail or home address? Current
> price of "The Pietenpol Story"? Looking to buy one for a friend to
> encourage him to build a Piet.
> Gene in rainy Tennessee
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: how do I view photos |
Hey Jim:
I just read and went to the power toys site to download the picture seizer.
Unfortunately, the first paragraph states that those applications will not
work with VISTA. Too bad since they look very interesting. But thanks for
the info anyhow. How it the Piet coming?
Bob in Indy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimbir" <jimbir@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how do I view photos
>
> For everyone using Windows XP here is the handiest picture resizing tool
> in the world. This link will tell you all about it. I wouldn't be without
> it.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/learnmore/tips/eschelman2.mspx
>
> I don't know why it wouldn't work with Vista.
>
> --------
> Jim Birke
> Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236300#236300
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin's Airplane and Lettering |
Don
What kind of paint do those sign painters use? Will they use the same paint
we used for our top coat if we provided it for them to use?
rick
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Kevin...
>
> I did the same thing as you with the lettering. I used someone else's. I
> borrowed some of Frank Pavliga's pictures of Pietenpol's from the 1930's
> when I was getting ready to paint. Of course, just like today there were
> many different paint schemes and designs, but the one thing I really noticed
> was that none of them used the standard issue block letters and numbers.
> These were pictures from the very early '30's and those standard letters
> and numbers had not really come into use yet. So I picked one style that I
> thought was simple and 'Pietenpol-like', whatever that might be. When the
> sign painter arrived I just handed her the picture and said, "paint the
> numbers like those ones". This summer I added a little lettering to the
> side of the fuselage. Very simple and basic, but for those I just went to
> my friend down the road who does vinyl lettering and had her make a stencil
> for me that I then brushed on with "1 shot" sign paint. Very simple and
> much cheaper than payi!
> ng a sign painter to do it. However it does not look anything like what a
> good sign painter can do. Those sign painter are very talented!
>
> Again Kevin, super looking airplane!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264997#264997
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Quite a few years ago I was going to build a Pietenpol. I bought the
Western Aircraft wood and started. A Taylorcraft, kids, and many other
things got in the way so I sold the wood. The guy that bought it didn't
want the plans so I kept them.
I am thinking about picking up some wood and making a set of ribs this
winter. If I get them done I will look for another piece to build.
Locally I can easily get the following:
Poplar
White Pine
Radiata Pine
Western Red Cedar
undefined versions of Hemlock
Douglas Fir flooring
The poplar and western red cedar are probably the easiest to find good
wood but clear white pine is also available.
What would be the first couple of preferences for wood? I was thinking
of using red cedar because I had read that Charlie Rubeck (?) had used
that. Looking at the archives there seems to be some disagreement on
the type of cedar (red or Port Oxford) he used and there is a huge
difference in the characteristics between the types.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: how do I view photos |
Rob,
A program that I like is IrfanView:
http://www.irfanview.com/
It's freeware, opens just about anything, and is nice and lightweight (small
footprint and it runs well on older machines). With it you can resize, crop,
adjust color levels, etc, but it's also just a really nice image viewer. It
runs on Windows 9x through Windows 7 (this includes XP, Vista, etc).
Ryan
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert Butsch <rbutsch@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
>
> Hey Jim:
>
> I just read and went to the power toys site to download the picture seizer.
> Unfortunately, the first paragraph states that those applications will not
> work with VISTA. Too bad since they look very interesting. But thanks for
> the info anyhow. How it the Piet coming?
>
> Bob in Indy.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimbir" <jimbir@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:42 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how do I view photos
>
>
>>
>> For everyone using Windows XP here is the handiest picture resizing tool
>> in the world. This link will tell you all about it. I wouldn't be without
>> it.
>>
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/learnmore/tips/eschelman2.mspx
>>
>> I don't know why it wouldn't work with Vista.
>>
>> --------
>> Jim Birke
>> Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236300#236300
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Dave,
Good idea about building the ribs this winter. I was not so organized and
have been fighting that hurdle for over a year. The rest of the plane is
just too much fun to build!!
I am using mostly poplar, and love working with it. However, I built the
tail parts first out of hemlock and really liked that, too.
Having not used any cedar, yet, I can't comment on that, but give both
poplar and pine a big thumbs up.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
Working on center section (and kitchen)
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave and
Connie
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options
<dmatt@frontiernet.net>
Quite a few years ago I was going to build a Pietenpol. I bought the
Western Aircraft wood and started. A Taylorcraft, kids, and many other
things got in the way so I sold the wood. The guy that bought it didn't
want the plans so I kept them.
I am thinking about picking up some wood and making a set of ribs this
winter. If I get them done I will look for another piece to build.
Locally I can easily get the following:
Poplar
White Pine
Radiata Pine
Western Red Cedar
undefined versions of Hemlock
Douglas Fir flooring
The poplar and western red cedar are probably the easiest to find good
wood but clear white pine is also available.
What would be the first couple of preferences for wood? I was thinking
of using red cedar because I had read that Charlie Rubeck (?) had used
that. Looking at the archives there seems to be some disagreement on
the type of cedar (red or Port Oxford) he used and there is a huge
difference in the characteristics between the types.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Options |
Hi, I am using port orford cedar, it is a delight to work with except for
the smell, I would not use red cedar for an aircraft, it has no guts and is
not an approved spruce substitute.
regards Mike T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Connie" <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options
> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>
> Quite a few years ago I was going to build a Pietenpol. I bought the
> Western Aircraft wood and started. A Taylorcraft, kids, and many other
> things got in the way so I sold the wood. The guy that bought it didn't
> want the plans so I kept them.
>
> I am thinking about picking up some wood and making a set of ribs this
> winter. If I get them done I will look for another piece to build.
>
> Locally I can easily get the following:
> Poplar
> White Pine
> Radiata Pine
> Western Red Cedar
> undefined versions of Hemlock
> Douglas Fir flooring
>
> The poplar and western red cedar are probably the easiest to find good
> wood but clear white pine is also available.
>
> What would be the first couple of preferences for wood? I was thinking of
> using red cedar because I had read that Charlie Rubeck (?) had used that.
> Looking at the archives there seems to be some disagreement on the type of
> cedar (red or Port Oxford) he used and there is a huge difference in the
> characteristics between the types.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More cables and turnbuckles |
I'm with you. My cables are all done except wing related
ones as I don't have those done. As soon as I've finished
my tank I can start on the brakes. As soon as they're done
I can move it all to a local field. Probably next spring or summer.
I don't suppose anyone knows where I can get wiring info
for a Collins mode C transponder. I haven't had any luck
on the internet yet.
Clif
Correction to an earlier post I made in haste (would that be "post
haste"). I am using 7 x19 galvanized through out. Mine is not flight
tested, but I am following the lead of others who have. I tried some 1 x
19 and decided it wasn't worth the PIA.
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Options |
Red Cedar, because of it's low density, is only 2/3 the
strength of Spruce. In other words if you wanted to
use it in place of a 1" wide spruce or hemlock spar
you would have to make it 1 1/2" wide.
Port orford is completely different from red. Port
Orford is actually stronger than spruce.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Connie" <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options
> <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
>
> Quite a few years ago I was going to build a Pietenpol. I bought the
> Western Aircraft wood and started. A Taylorcraft, kids, and many other
> things got in the way so I sold the wood. The guy that bought it didn't
> want the plans so I kept them.
>
> I am thinking about picking up some wood and making a set of ribs this
> winter. If I get them done I will look for another piece to build.
>
> Locally I can easily get the following:
> Poplar
> White Pine
> Radiata Pine
> Western Red Cedar
> undefined versions of Hemlock
> Douglas Fir flooring
>
> The poplar and western red cedar are probably the easiest to find good
> wood but clear white pine is also available.
>
> What would be the first couple of preferences for wood? I was thinking
> of using red cedar because I had read that Charlie Rubeck (?) had used
> that. Looking at the archives there seems to be some disagreement on
> the type of cedar (red or Port Oxford) he used and there is a huge
> difference in the characteristics between the types.
>
> Dave
>
>
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