---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/25/09: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:42 AM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Gary Boothe) 2. 05:23 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jack Phillips) 3. 05:44 AM - Test (Ameet Savant) 4. 05:52 AM - Re: Test (Jack Phillips) 5. 06:00 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (K5YAC) 6. 06:11 AM - First Flight (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 06:13 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 8. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Gene & Tammy) 9. 06:25 AM - Re: Test (Gene & Tammy) 10. 06:40 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (K5YAC) 11. 06:57 AM - Re: Test (Ryan Mueller) 12. 07:12 AM - Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Richard Schreiber) 13. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jim Markle) 14. 07:25 AM - Re: Test (Gary Boothe) 15. 07:35 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (K5YAC) 16. 08:26 AM - Re: Test (Dan Yocum) 17. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Tim Willis) 18. 08:47 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jack Phillips) 19. 08:47 AM - Testing from gmail (Ameet Savant) 20. 08:52 AM - Re: Testing from gmail (Gary Boothe) 21. 08:58 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 22. 09:07 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Gary Boothe) 23. 09:10 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jack Phillips) 24. 10:12 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 25. 10:34 AM - Re: castoring vs. steerable (Dan Yocum) 26. 11:11 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Richard Schreiber) 27. 11:11 AM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Jack Phillips) 28. 11:41 AM - The Pietenpol Story (Gene & Tammy) 29. 12:21 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Matt Redmond) 30. 01:08 PM - The Pietenpol Story (Oscar Zuniga) 31. 01:11 PM - Kevin's Airplane and Lettering (Don Emch) 32. 02:41 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Steve Ruse) 33. 03:00 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Gene & Tammy) 34. 03:11 PM - Re: tailwheels (helspersew@aol.com) 35. 03:39 PM - Re: First Flight (Jim) 36. 03:51 PM - Re: The Pietenpol Story (Rick Holland) 37. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: how do I view photos (Robert Butsch) 38. 04:09 PM - Re: Kevin's Airplane and Lettering (Rick Holland) 39. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear (Jim) 40. 05:21 PM - Wood Options (Dave and Connie) 41. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: how do I view photos (Ryan Mueller) 42. 06:10 PM - Re: Wood Options (Gary Boothe) 43. 11:16 PM - Re: Wood Options (Mike Tunnicliffe) 44. 11:17 PM - Re: More cables and turnbuckles (Clif Dawson) 45. 11:38 PM - Re: Wood Options (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:51 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Why!...I ought'a..! Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of catdesigns@att.net Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Good question Rick, how ARE those ribs coming along Gary? I notice you still have 15 to build. Didn't you have 15 done last week? It should only take you another 15 days to finish them right? By the way, mine look really nice on the spars right next to my completed center section. I am determined to fly before you do so you might as well get back to the kitchen remodel. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear You had to ask! Are you a friend of Chris Tracy? He's always giving me grief that HE has HIS ribs done! Right now I'm on the center section. Wings to follow. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Gary: How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and stored them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really amazed at how much room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Richard, Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris=12 method is that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard. For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly? P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before the spreader bars were added.. Rick Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net <> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:33 AM PST US From: Ameet Savant Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some one reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol list? Thanks Ameet ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:40 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Test No -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet Savant Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some one reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol list? Thanks Ameet ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles From: "K5YAC" Darn, that is what I was afraid of... the pain in the butt part. Maybe some kind of jig can be devised to hold the thimble and cable while the nicopress sleeve is installed? Either way, I want to use the right stuff. Thanks for the info Jack. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264901#264901 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:56 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight Niner Kilo Papa, when I heard your static and WOT RPMs for that Corvair, I thought you were leaving quite a bit of HP on the table but it's not so. Looking at the power curves for the stock 110HP Corvair, at your static of 2650 RPM the gross output is 76 HP... more than my Cont. A75 ;o) And at your WOT of 2750, the book shows 80HP. So I guess you're entitled to drag around that extra empty weight. You listed 750 as your empty weight; my airplane weighs 627 with no fuel or oil aboard. I'll bet the higher weight also contributes to the descent rate on final and the need to bring it over the fence at 60 or so. I like 55 MPH in relatively calm air but I do carry a bit more airspeed when it's windy or gusty. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:13 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Jack why the different cables in those locations? I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where John In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:25 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles Mark, go to an electrical suppy store and buy yourself a split bolt. The kind electrical workers use to join two large copper wires together. That will firmly hold the cable together while you compress the nicopress. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles > > Darn, that is what I was afraid of... the pain in the butt part. Maybe > some kind of jig can be devised to hold the thimble and cable while the > nicopress sleeve is installed? Either way, I want to use the right stuff. > Thanks for the info Jack. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264901#264901 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:00:00 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:12 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Test that was mean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Test > > > No > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet > Savant > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test > > > Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some > one > reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol > list? > > Thanks > Ameet > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:00:00 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles From: "K5YAC" Thanks Gene... I pass a big electrical supply store every day on the way home. I'll stop in tonight. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264909#264909 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Test From: Ryan Mueller And that was pointless. :) If you want to see if your posts are making it through without sending "Hello, hello?" messages to the list (while also failing to add 'do not archive' to such messages), go to http://forum.matronics.com and scroll down to find the link to the web based version of the Pietenpol-List. If your messages are making it through you will find them in there. Ryan On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote: > zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> > > that was mean > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" > > To: > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:47 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Test > > >> pietflyr@bellsouth.net> >> >> No >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet >> Savant >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test >> >> > >> >> Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some >> one >> reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol >> list? >> >> Thanks >> Ameet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 18:00:00 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:42 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Chris: I know what you mean about wacking your head! I still have the scars. Rick Valparaiso, In ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 9/25/2009 1:22:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear Rick It's a great feeling and a big boost to finally get you fuselage on its gear. Just try not to sit in it to much and pretend. One of the reasons I built the gear with the fuselage upside down was to get it up out of the way of the wife and kids. With it up high they could still park the car in the garage and move about without bumping the plane. I on the other hand being taller whacked my head into the axel several times. Ouch! Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:29 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles It's not that bad. Come on by and I'll show you.... -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC >Sent: Sep 25, 2009 7:00 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles > > >Darn, that is what I was afraid of... the pain in the butt part. Maybe some kind of jig can be devised to hold the thimble and cable while the nicopress sleeve is installed? Either way, I want to use the right stuff. Thanks for the info Jack. > >-------- >Mark - working on wings > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264901#264901 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:12 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Test WOW! .mean, pointless and direct! This is a tough group! ;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:42 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Test And that was pointless. :) If you want to see if your posts are making it through without sending "Hello, hello?" messages to the list (while also failing to add 'do not archive' to such messages), go to http://forum.matronics.com and scroll down to find the link to the web based version of the Pietenpol-List. If your messages are making it through you will find them in there. Ryan On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote: that was mean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Test No -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet Savant Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some one reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol list? Thanks Ameet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:00:00 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles From: "K5YAC" It's going to be a beautiful weekend here Jim... are you going to be home? I'd like to take another look at your wing if you have time to be in the shop. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264923#264923 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:57 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Test Yup. Tough crowd, and we will be here all week. And next. And the next... Ameet - I had the same problem a couple days ago, too, so it's not just you. Dan Gary Boothe wrote: > WOW! mean, pointless and direct! This is a tough group! ;-) > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:28 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles Mark, you can get such a split bolt at Lowe's or Home Depot. I recall them to be about $2 each. You only need one. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Gene & Tammy >Sent: Sep 25, 2009 8:17 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: PieMartenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles > > >Mark, go to an electrical suppy store and buy yourself a split bolt. The >kind electrical workers use to join two large copper wires together. That >will firmly hold the cable together while you compress the nicopress. >Gene >----- Original Message ----- >From: "K5YAC" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:00 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles > > >> >> Darn, that is what I was afraid of... the pain in the butt part. Maybe >> some kind of jig can be devised to hold the thimble and cable while the >> nicopress sleeve is installed? Either way, I want to use the right stuff. >> Thanks for the info Jack. >> >> -------- >> Mark - working on wings >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264901#264901 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >18:00:00 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:00 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Jack why the different cables in those locations? I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where John In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858================== ============================= Use the ties Day ================================================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================ - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Testing from gmail From: Ameet Savant Hello all, My Yahoo email address is giving me a lot of grief. The Pietenpol list emails arrive late (sometimes days) and definitely out of order. Last 3 emails I sent to the list haven't even made it. I am changing my subscription to gmail and hence this test post. do not archive Ameet ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:46 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Testing from gmail Ameet, Loud and clear! Got any ribs done? Send some pics of your progress. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet Savant Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Testing from gmail Hello all, My Yahoo email address is giving me a lot of grief. The Pietenpol list emails arrive late (sometimes days) and definitely out of order. Last 3 emails I sent to the list haven't even made it. I am changing my subscription to gmail and hence this test post. do not archive Ameet ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:51 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material? In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19. Jack ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Jack why the different cables in those locations? I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where John In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858================== ==== Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:45 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Correction to an earlier post I made in haste (would that be "post haste"). I am using 7 x19 galvanized through out. Mine is not flight tested, but I am following the lead of others who have. I tried some 1 x 19 and decided it wasn't worth the PIA. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material? In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Jack why the different cables in those locations? I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where John In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858================== ==== Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:26 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I used stainless steel cable. Nicopress fittings were copper. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material? In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Jack why the different cables in those locations? I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where John In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858================== ==== Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:38 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Does anyone have any thoughts on this as a viable selection for a one stop shop for a Piets cable? I am interested in hearing your thoughts. Pro if any and con. Thanks John Wire Rope - Aircraft Cable 1/8", 7x7, 500 ft reel. Price: $25.00 This item is in stock Quantity: Brief Description Detailed Description Specifications Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength. Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength. In a message dated 9/25/2009 12:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: I used stainless steel cable. Nicopress fittings were copper. ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material? In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19. Jack ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Jack why the different cables in those locations? I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where John In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858================== ==== Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:20 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable Dan, I verified last night that the Sonex has a direct and hard steering link connection to the tailwheel - no springs, no castoring. I still think you could just make your tailwheel a non-castoring, non-steerable arrangement. Cheers, Dan helspersew@aol.com wrote: > The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my > opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be > wrong) is > when > you're going less than 5 mph. > > Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I > thought I was all done with that! > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:04 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles John: I asked a couple of AP's at the field about using cable from Sears or the local tractor supply. The cable was identified as being aircraft grade. All of them said don't. Just by from a legitimate aircraft supplier. Even though it may be listed as aircraft grade, it may not be. The risk is too grate for the cost savings. Actually the local stuff was more expensive than Aircraft Spruce. Rick S ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 9/25/2009 12:16:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Does anyone have any thoughts on this as a viable selection for a one stop shop for a Piets cable? I am interested in hearing your thoughts. Pro if any and con. Thanks John Wire Rope - Aircraft Cable 1/8", 7x7, 500 ft reel. Price: $25.00 This item is in stock Quantity: Brief Description Detailed Description Specifications Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength. Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength. In a message dated 9/25/2009 12:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: I used stainless steel cable. Nicopress fittings were copper. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material? In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19. Jack From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Jack why the different cables in those locations? I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where John In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858======================= Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:05 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Would probably be fine, although you don't need all that much 1/8" cable. I used 3/32" for the tail bracing wires and all the control cables. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Does anyone have any thoughts on this as a viable selection for a one stop shop for a Piets cable? I am interested in hearing your thoughts. Pro if any and con. Thanks John Wire Rope - Aircraft Cable 1/8", 7x7, 500 ft reel. Price: $25.00 This item is in stock Quantity: Brief Description Detailed Description Specifications Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength. Galvanized Aircraft Cable, 7x7 construction, 1700 lb Breaking Strength. In a message dated 9/25/2009 12:11:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: I used stainless steel cable. Nicopress fittings were copper. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I see that 7x7 as being listed as aircraft cable and appears to be between the 1x19 and 7 x 19 in flexibility. Any reason not to go with the one stop shop method and just use that through out? What was your cabling material stainless, galv, steel and what was the nicoprress crimping material? In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:47:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Simple. 1 x 19 is stronger but cannot flex over pulleys as well. So where I needed stength without flexibility, I used 1 x 19. For the control cables or the wires that are removed and re-installed more frquently (like the flying wires) I used the more flexible 7 x 19. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Jack why the different cables in those locations? I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and where John In a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing (straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858================== ==== Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:10 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Pietenpol Story Wondering if anyone has Chet Peek's e-mail or home address? Current price of "The Pietenpol Story"? Looking to buy one for a friend to encourage him to build a Piet. Gene in rainy Tennessee ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Pietenpol Story From: Matt Redmond Was about $24 at Oshkosh (at his table). Chester L. Peek 1861 Danfield Dr. Norman, Oklahoma 73072 http://www.threepeakspub.com/ On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Gene & Tammy wrote: > Wondering if anyone has Chet Peek's e-mail or home address? Current > price of "The Pietenpol Story"? Looking to buy one for a friend to > encourage him to build a Piet. > Gene in rainy Tennessee > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:51 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Pietenpol Story Such a deal! The book is $59.99 on Amazon, so go direct to Chet to buy one. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevin's Airplane and Lettering From: "Don Emch" Kevin... I did the same thing as you with the lettering. I used someone else's. I borrowed some of Frank Pavliga's pictures of Pietenpol's from the 1930's when I was getting ready to paint. Of course, just like today there were many different paint schemes and designs, but the one thing I really noticed was that none of them used the standard issue block letters and numbers. These were pictures from the very early '30's and those standard letters and numbers had not really come into use yet. So I picked one style that I thought was simple and 'Pietenpol-like', whatever that might be. When the sign painter arrived I just handed her the picture and said, "paint the numbers like those ones". This summer I added a little lettering to the side of the fuselage. Very simple and basic, but for those I just went to my friend down the road who does vinyl lettering and had her make a stencil for me that I then brushed on with "1 shot" sign paint. Very simple and much cheaper than paying a sign painter to do it. However it does not look anything like what a good sign painter can do. Those sign painter are very talented! Again Kevin, super looking airplane! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264997#264997 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:01 PM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Pietenpol Story If you are looking for the book, you can get it here: http://threepeakspub.com/ Steve Ruse Quoting Oscar Zuniga : > > > Such a deal! The book is $59.99 on Amazon, so go direct > to Chet to buy one. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:32 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Pietenpol Story Thanks everyone that replyed. The book is ordered. Thank you Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ruse" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Pietenpol Story > > > If you are looking for the book, you can get it here: > > http://threepeakspub.com/ > > Steve Ruse > > Quoting Oscar Zuniga : > >> >> >> >> Such a deal! The book is $59.99 on Amazon, so go direct >> to Chet to buy one. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:51:00 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels From: helspersew@aol.com Shad, I think after reading this post,?you have convinced me to do this. When I remove my "quick disconnect" tailwheel I will have to stash those cables inside the fuse somehow until I need them again. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2009 10:18 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels Dan, If I recall correctly, in my minds eye, making your current t/w assembly steerable?would not be very tough.? Just weld some ears on it to attatch cables to and run the cables up through the aft belly and nicopress them to the rudder cables behind the seat.? All you may need to make might be a few fittings to put cable fairleads in.? It might be better to weld up the lower part of the tail wheel "fork" to get a better fit for a steering arm.? Check out west coast piet and look at some pics of Don Emch's t/w, simple and easy to control.? Ours is similar and I have had it in 25-30mph gusty x-winds on pavement, and it can be an airplane saver.? Comparing it to the fixed t/w we had before steerable is 300% easier and more enjoyable. ? Shad ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:25 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Pietenpol Story From: Rick Holland Since you brought up the subject I would highly recommend 'The Pietenpol Story' to all Piet builders, should be required reading. Have several of Chet Peeks other books and they are just as good. Chet is a regular at Broadhead. rick On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Gene & Tammy < zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote: > Wondering if anyone has Chet Peek's e-mail or home address? Current > price of "The Pietenpol Story"? Looking to buy one for a friend to > encourage him to build a Piet. > Gene in rainy Tennessee > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:58 PM PST US From: "Robert Butsch" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: how do I view photos Hey Jim: I just read and went to the power toys site to download the picture seizer. Unfortunately, the first paragraph states that those applications will not work with VISTA. Too bad since they look very interesting. But thanks for the info anyhow. How it the Piet coming? Bob in Indy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimbir" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how do I view photos > > For everyone using Windows XP here is the handiest picture resizing tool > in the world. This link will tell you all about it. I wouldn't be without > it. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/learnmore/tips/eschelman2.mspx > > I don't know why it wouldn't work with Vista. > > -------- > Jim Birke > Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236300#236300 > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin's Airplane and Lettering From: Rick Holland Don What kind of paint do those sign painters use? Will they use the same paint we used for our top coat if we provided it for them to use? rick On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > Kevin... > > I did the same thing as you with the lettering. I used someone else's. I > borrowed some of Frank Pavliga's pictures of Pietenpol's from the 1930's > when I was getting ready to paint. Of course, just like today there were > many different paint schemes and designs, but the one thing I really noticed > was that none of them used the standard issue block letters and numbers. > These were pictures from the very early '30's and those standard letters > and numbers had not really come into use yet. So I picked one style that I > thought was simple and 'Pietenpol-like', whatever that might be. When the > sign painter arrived I just handed her the picture and said, "paint the > numbers like those ones". This summer I added a little lettering to the > side of the fuselage. Very simple and basic, but for those I just went to > my friend down the road who does vinyl lettering and had her make a stencil > for me that I then brushed on with "1 shot" sign paint. Very simple and > much cheaper than payi! > ng a sign painter to do it. However it does not look anything like what a > good sign painter can do. Those sign painter are very talented! > > Again Kevin, super looking airplane! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264997#264997 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:55 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:18 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options Quite a few years ago I was going to build a Pietenpol. I bought the Western Aircraft wood and started. A Taylorcraft, kids, and many other things got in the way so I sold the wood. The guy that bought it didn't want the plans so I kept them. I am thinking about picking up some wood and making a set of ribs this winter. If I get them done I will look for another piece to build. Locally I can easily get the following: Poplar White Pine Radiata Pine Western Red Cedar undefined versions of Hemlock Douglas Fir flooring The poplar and western red cedar are probably the easiest to find good wood but clear white pine is also available. What would be the first couple of preferences for wood? I was thinking of using red cedar because I had read that Charlie Rubeck (?) had used that. Looking at the archives there seems to be some disagreement on the type of cedar (red or Port Oxford) he used and there is a huge difference in the characteristics between the types. Dave ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: how do I view photos From: Ryan Mueller Rob, A program that I like is IrfanView: http://www.irfanview.com/ It's freeware, opens just about anything, and is nice and lightweight (small footprint and it runs well on older machines). With it you can resize, crop, adjust color levels, etc, but it's also just a really nice image viewer. It runs on Windows 9x through Windows 7 (this includes XP, Vista, etc). Ryan On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert Butsch wrote: > > > > Hey Jim: > > I just read and went to the power toys site to download the picture seizer. > Unfortunately, the first paragraph states that those applications will not > work with VISTA. Too bad since they look very interesting. But thanks for > the info anyhow. How it the Piet coming? > > Bob in Indy. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimbir" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:42 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how do I view photos > > >> >> For everyone using Windows XP here is the handiest picture resizing tool >> in the world. This link will tell you all about it. I wouldn't be without >> it. >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/learnmore/tips/eschelman2.mspx >> >> I don't know why it wouldn't work with Vista. >> >> -------- >> Jim Birke >> Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236300#236300 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:30 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options Dave, Good idea about building the ribs this winter. I was not so organized and have been fighting that hurdle for over a year. The rest of the plane is just too much fun to build!! I am using mostly poplar, and love working with it. However, I built the tail parts first out of hemlock and really liked that, too. Having not used any cedar, yet, I can't comment on that, but give both poplar and pine a big thumbs up. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear Working on center section (and kitchen) (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave and Connie Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options Quite a few years ago I was going to build a Pietenpol. I bought the Western Aircraft wood and started. A Taylorcraft, kids, and many other things got in the way so I sold the wood. The guy that bought it didn't want the plans so I kept them. I am thinking about picking up some wood and making a set of ribs this winter. If I get them done I will look for another piece to build. Locally I can easily get the following: Poplar White Pine Radiata Pine Western Red Cedar undefined versions of Hemlock Douglas Fir flooring The poplar and western red cedar are probably the easiest to find good wood but clear white pine is also available. What would be the first couple of preferences for wood? I was thinking of using red cedar because I had read that Charlie Rubeck (?) had used that. Looking at the archives there seems to be some disagreement on the type of cedar (red or Port Oxford) he used and there is a huge difference in the characteristics between the types. Dave ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:33 PM PST US From: Mike Tunnicliffe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options Hi, I am using port orford cedar, it is a delight to work with except for the smell, I would not use red cedar for an aircraft, it has no guts and is not an approved spruce substitute. regards Mike T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Connie" Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options > > > Quite a few years ago I was going to build a Pietenpol. I bought the > Western Aircraft wood and started. A Taylorcraft, kids, and many other > things got in the way so I sold the wood. The guy that bought it didn't > want the plans so I kept them. > > I am thinking about picking up some wood and making a set of ribs this > winter. If I get them done I will look for another piece to build. > > Locally I can easily get the following: > Poplar > White Pine > Radiata Pine > Western Red Cedar > undefined versions of Hemlock > Douglas Fir flooring > > The poplar and western red cedar are probably the easiest to find good > wood but clear white pine is also available. > > What would be the first couple of preferences for wood? I was thinking of > using red cedar because I had read that Charlie Rubeck (?) had used that. > Looking at the archives there seems to be some disagreement on the type of > cedar (red or Port Oxford) he used and there is a huge difference in the > characteristics between the types. > > Dave > > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:56 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles I'm with you. My cables are all done except wing related ones as I don't have those done. As soon as I've finished my tank I can start on the brakes. As soon as they're done I can move it all to a local field. Probably next spring or summer. I don't suppose anyone knows where I can get wiring info for a Collins mode C transponder. I haven't had any luck on the internet yet. Clif Correction to an earlier post I made in haste (would that be "post haste"). I am using 7 x19 galvanized through out. Mine is not flight tested, but I am following the lead of others who have. I tried some 1 x 19 and decided it wasn't worth the PIA. Gary Boothe ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:37 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options Red Cedar, because of it's low density, is only 2/3 the strength of Spruce. In other words if you wanted to use it in place of a 1" wide spruce or hemlock spar you would have to make it 1 1/2" wide. Port orford is completely different from red. Port Orford is actually stronger than spruce. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Connie" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Options > > > Quite a few years ago I was going to build a Pietenpol. I bought the > Western Aircraft wood and started. A Taylorcraft, kids, and many other > things got in the way so I sold the wood. The guy that bought it didn't > want the plans so I kept them. > > I am thinking about picking up some wood and making a set of ribs this > winter. If I get them done I will look for another piece to build. > > Locally I can easily get the following: > Poplar > White Pine > Radiata Pine > Western Red Cedar > undefined versions of Hemlock > Douglas Fir flooring > > The poplar and western red cedar are probably the easiest to find good > wood but clear white pine is also available. > > What would be the first couple of preferences for wood? I was thinking > of using red cedar because I had read that Charlie Rubeck (?) had used > that. Looking at the archives there seems to be some disagreement on > the type of cedar (red or Port Oxford) he used and there is a huge > difference in the characteristics between the types. > > Dave > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 17:52:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.