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1. 01:09 AM - One vs Three piece wing (Dallas)
2. 01:13 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Robert Ray)
3. 01:17 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Robert Ray)
4. 03:21 AM - Re: Greg C. using brakes (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 03:44 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 04:20 AM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Michael Perez)
7. 04:24 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Ryan Mueller)
8. 04:29 AM - Re: Greg C. using brakes (gcardinal)
9. 05:14 AM - cutting/drilling lexan (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 05:23 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
11. 05:39 AM - Re: Spar splice (Bill Church)
12. 05:40 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Gary Boothe)
13. 05:40 AM - Re: cutting/drilling lexan (helspersew@aol.com)
14. 05:52 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 06:11 AM - Re: using brakes (Gene & Tammy)
16. 06:12 AM - Re: cutting/drilling lexan (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 06:39 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Bill Church)
18. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: centersection flop (Jack Phillips)
19. 06:41 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
20. 06:42 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Lagowski Morrow)
21. 06:42 AM - Fw: using brakes (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
22. 06:43 AM - Re: cutting/drilling lexan (Jack Phillips)
23. 06:43 AM - Re: Staple Gun do not archive (Roman Bukolt)
24. 06:44 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
25. 06:53 AM - Staple Gun (Mark)
26. 06:54 AM - Re: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
27. 06:56 AM - cutting/drilling clear plastics (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
28. 07:03 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Ryan Mueller)
29. 07:12 AM - Re: cutting/drilling clear plastics (Jack Phillips)
30. 07:13 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
31. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: centersection flop (John Hofmann)
32. 07:23 AM - Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico (Oscar Zuniga)
33. 07:30 AM - Re: cutting/drilling clear plastics (Bill Church)
34. 08:13 AM - Re: Staple Gun (Matt Redmond)
35. 08:13 AM - avgas and Lexan (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
36. 08:43 AM - Re: Staple Gun (Ryan Mueller)
37. 08:57 AM - Re: 5 minutes (K5YAC)
38. 09:13 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum)
39. 09:43 AM - Re: Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
40. 09:43 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum)
41. 10:15 AM - Spar splice (santiago morete)
42. 10:48 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum)
43. 11:44 AM - Re: 5 minutes (mike)
44. 11:44 AM - Re: Staple Gun (Bill Church)
45. 12:08 PM - iphone app gps (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
46. 01:10 PM - wing choices (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
47. 01:48 PM - Re: avgas and Lexan (Don Emch)
48. 01:49 PM - One-piece wing (helspersew@aol.com)
49. 01:56 PM - Re: One-piece wing (helspersew@aol.com)
50. 02:06 PM - Re: One-piece wing (Gary Boothe)
51. 02:06 PM - Re: One-piece wing (Ryan Mueller)
52. 02:06 PM - Re: One-piece wing (Ryan Mueller)
53. 02:21 PM - Re: One-piece wing (Ryan Mueller)
54. 02:21 PM - Re: iphone app gps (Dan Yocum)
55. 02:40 PM - Re: One-piece wing (John Hofmann)
56. 02:44 PM - Wing Tip Bows (K5YAC)
57. 02:44 PM - Re: iphone app gps (Ryan Mueller)
58. 02:54 PM - Re: Wing Tip Bows (Don Emch)
59. 03:13 PM - Elevator trim system (Michael Perez)
60. 03:13 PM - Re: avgas and Lexan (Gene Rambo)
61. 03:13 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Gene Rambo)
62. 03:21 PM - Push/Pull on elevator (Michael Perez)
63. 03:22 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Matt Redmond)
64. 03:40 PM - Re: Wing Tip Bows (helspersew@aol.com)
65. 03:40 PM - Re: Push/Pull on elevator (gcardinal)
66. 03:40 PM - leading edge (Gene Rambo)
67. 03:52 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Gene Rambo)
68. 03:56 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Gene Rambo)
69. 04:08 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Matt Redmond)
70. 04:39 PM - Re: leading edge (gcardinal)
71. 04:39 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Richard Schreiber)
72. 05:05 PM - don't worry Dan from Poplar Grove (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
73. 05:11 PM - Re: Staple Gun (David Paule)
74. 05:28 PM - 5 minutes (Oscar Zuniga)
75. 06:01 PM - Dacy, wingwalker etc... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
76. 06:45 PM - Re: wing choices (Doug Dever)
77. 07:24 PM - Re: Dacy, wingwalker etc... (Dan Yocum)
78. 09:03 PM - Re: 5 minutes (jorge lizarraga)
79. 09:07 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (jorge lizarraga)
80. 09:46 PM - landings with passengers in the front seat (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
81. 09:48 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Clif Dawson)
82. 09:50 PM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Bill Church)
83. 10:10 PM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | One vs Three piece wing |
Howdy All,
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Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piec
e. I have started the ribs-which are-going well-but searching around
I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could sh
ed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
-
Thanks,
Dallas in NM (newbie)=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: One vs Three piece wing |
How big is your work shop and work bench?
Russell
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Howdy All,
>
> Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three
> piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I
> just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed
> some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Dallas in NM (newbie)
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One vs Three piece wing |
Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> How big is your work shop and work bench?
>
> Russell
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Howdy All,
>>
>> Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three
>> piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I
>> just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed
>> some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dallas in NM (newbie)
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Greg C. using brakes |
Greg Cardinal,
Do you land at hard surfaced airports with your plane? I noticed your plas
tic (nylon) pad on the bottom of your skid. Please give us the low-down on
landing/taxi on hard surface with your skid. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:00 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a need fo
r them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to increase drag
on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations helps a lot.
I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams.....
=C2-
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be growi
ng much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used=C2-fer slowi
n down?
=C2-
Lets review the list of needs:
=C2-
parking
run up
fuel
problems on landing
fast approach on a short field
high approach
Reduction of orbit for reentry
ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)
pavement rolling forever
=C2-
any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary br
ake usage=C2-=C2-?
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Day
light Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them.=C2- Like when you
are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,0
00 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream).
=C2- As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just abou
t roll forever on pavement.=C2- I=99ve had more problems with the
brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I still am
glad I have =98em.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
=C2-
Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
=C2-
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanica
l vs juice, friction=C2-if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi,
fueling=C2-and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unne
cessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today.
=C2-
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allow
s me=C2-more concentration on the important issues like continued un int
errupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
=C2-
Thanks
=C2-
John
=C2-
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day!=
0
A
=C2-
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d
.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack.=C2-=C2-=C2- I only use my brakes when I=99m
below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when
coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly,
on runup.=C2-
=C2-
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around.=C2-
Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?=C2-
Jack Philllips
=C2-
I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to lo
ok around the pattern before takeoff
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflectio
n one way or the other works fine.=C2-
=C2-
Mike C.
=C2-
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: One vs Three piece wing |
Hi Dallas,
I built a one-piece wing. Mainly it is personal preference. A three-piece affords
some advantages. Handling a one-piece is almost impossible for one person.
You need a LOT of room to build also. Three-piece lends itself to putting dihedral
in and may be a little more stable in flight. One-piece is simpler with no
extra attach fittings in the center section.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 3:08 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Howdy All,
?
Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I
have started the ribs?which are?going well?but searching around I just have'nt
been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on
this I would greatly appreciate it.
?
Thanks,
Dallas in NM (newbie)
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
See attached.
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| Subject: | Re: One vs Three piece wing |
Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do
not archive' tag?
3 piece is a bit heavier, but far easier to handle....
Ryan
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On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> How big is your work shop and work bench?
>
> Russell
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Howdy All,
>
> Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or
> three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but
> searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this
> option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Dallas in NM (newbie)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Greg C. using brakes |
Hi Dan,
I do not land on hard surface. I can only imagine how squirrelly the
handling would be.
The pad on the tailskid is UHMW polyethylene. It is the same material
used as truck bed liners to resist abrasion.
It did not hold up to taxiing on aiport ramps and would wear out very
quickly.
The solution was to braze a couple of carbide machining inserts to the
skid at the aft edge. No more problems.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg C. using brakes
Greg Cardinal,
Do you land at hard surfaced airports with your plane? I noticed your
plastic (nylon) pad on the bottom of your skid. Please give us the
low-down on landing/taxi on hard surface with your skid. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:00 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a
need for them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to
increase drag on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations
helps a lot.
I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams.....
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be
growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer
slowin down?
Lets review the list of needs:
parking
run up
fuel
problems on landing
fast approach on a short field
high approach
Reduction of orbit for reentry
ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)
pavement rolling forever
any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and
auxiliary brake usage ?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when
you are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that
$100,000 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a
Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will
just about roll forever on pavement. I=99ve had more problems
with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I
still am glad I have =98em.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs,
mechanical vs juic e, friction if the entire braking need is relegated
to taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of
unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today.
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table
and allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued
un interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
Thanks
John
0D
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the
day!
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m
below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or
when coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or
lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn
around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360
turn to look around the pattern before takeoff
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar
deflection one way or the other works fine.
Mike C.
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Hi all,
Any suggestions on cutting and drilling Lexan?
Thanks
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: One vs Three piece wing |
A major advantage to the 3 piece wing is spatial not special. I am building
in my basement and there is no way I can find, locate,manufacture or
create a clear pan of wall space, floor space or space of any type to
accommodate a wing that's 36 feet long and 5 feet wide. My choice was no choice
a 3
piece wing in the basement or a 1 piece wing outside in the yard.
Pennsylvania is not known for having the friendliest weather or most accommodating
neighbors so the 3 piece option was not a choice but a necessity. If you're
not plagued by the same constraints then there is a choice option, for me
there was none.
I suppose I could have made the ultimate choice and built it in the kitchen
to the family room following Chucks example, not too sure my wife (the
practice one)would have liked it much and more than likely would have chosen
for me to move out and live elsewhere.... hmmmmmmmm ! without her?
hmmmmmmmmmm still thinking on that one.....
John
Do not archive
In a message dated 10/2/2009 7:25:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not
archive' tag?
3 piece is a bit heavier, but far easier to handle....
Ryan
Sent from my mobile device
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Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <_rray032003@gmail.com_
(mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote:
How big is your work shop and work bench?
Russell
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <_paradox4u2@yahoo.com_
(mailto:paradox4u2@yahoo.com) > wrote:
Howdy All,
Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three
piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I
just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed
some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Dallas in NM (newbie)
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Maybe Santiago is just a "belt and suspenders" kind of guy.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Santiago:
I'm sure you know this, but since you have cabane brace tubes going
forward to the engine mount points, you don't need the X-brace wires on
the side, between the cabanes.
You could remove them and save some weight.
Hermosa, la maquina tuya...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | One vs Three piece wing |
Do you like gladiator movies?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
How big is your work shop and work bench?
Russell
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy All,
Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three
piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I
just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed
some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Dallas in NM (newbie)
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Douwe,
Please......a report of your progress. I know you are getting close to finishing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 7:16 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan
Hi all,
Any suggestions on cutting and drilling Lexan?
Thanks
Douwe
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Ray,
I work in the basement and if you're really interested I am certain I can
send you a picture of the clutter palace. I have a 16 ' bench which occupies
almost the entire length of my shop with the wings now hung of stair way
and building support post that now forms a coriander from my saw area to the
stair way.
The good news is its my shop and my well almost all my , well sorta my
domain, when I get permission. I have the welder and compressor in the garage
and the tig in another location, so I always have a place to work in the
evenings. Actually I get most of my work done on weekends and over the
Christmas holiday when I take all my vacation then I get a solid 12 to 16 hours
to
work,
Clutter palace airplane works, keys made while you wait, one hour
martinizing!
John
In a message dated 10/2/2009 4:17:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rray032003@gmail.com writes:
Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <_rray032003@gmail.com_
(mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote:
How big is your work shop and work bench?
Russell
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <_paradox4u2@yahoo.com_
(mailto:paradox4u2@yahoo.com) > wrote:
Howdy All,
Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three
piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I
just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed
some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Dallas in NM (newbie)
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| Subject: | Re: using brakes |
The only time I normally use the brakes on N502R is during the run up,
the 360 traffic check and the 90 degree "put the tail towards the
hanger" maneuver at the end of the flight. I would vote that brakes are
very important, unless you only fly off of strips that have little or no
other traffic. As a pilot, it is our responsibility to operate as
safely as possible at all times. Another reason, even thou most think
it'll never happen, is when it comes time to sell. Most buyers will not
even consider buying a brakeless airplane.
Just my two cents worth
Gene
N502R
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From: gcardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a
need for them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to
increase drag on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations
helps a lot.
I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams.....
Greg C.
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From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be
growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer
slowin down?
Lets review the list of needs:
parking
run up
fuel
problems on landing
fast approach on a short field
high approach
Reduction of orbit for reentry
ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)
pavement rolling forever
any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and
auxiliary brake usage ?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when
you are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that
$100,000 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a
Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will
just about roll forever on pavement. I=99ve had more problems
with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I
still am glad I have =98em.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs,
mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to
taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of
unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today.
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table
and allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued
un interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
Thanks
John
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the
day!
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m
below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or
when coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or
lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn
around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360
turn to look around the pattern before takeoff
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar
deflection one way or the other works fine.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | cutting/drilling lexan |
Douwe,
I kept the protective plastic on my Lexan during cutting/fitting as it real
ly scratches easily.
I used a sabre saw to cut my 1/8" thick Lexan then filed and sanded the edg
es to get all the stress riser
marks out and simply used regular drill bits to drill the holes.
I did debur the holes (on both sides) with a hand-held countersink bit (or
larger than your hole-size drill bit if you don't have
a countersink handy) like Bingelis suggests for all holes-in 4130, aluminum
, or plastics.
I cold-bent my windshields to fit my aluminum brackets. I don't think you
can heat-form Lexan in an oven but then again
memory fades on what Bingelis sez about these things. I know he shows in
his books how to heat form Plexiglass but that
stuff is a pain in the rectum to work with/ drill, cut.
Mike C.
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John, are you sure it forms a coriander, and not a cilantro.
Bill C.
Once more,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Ray,
I work in the basement and if you're really interested I am certain I
can send you a picture of the clutter palace. I have a 16 ' bench which
occupies almost the entire length of my shop with the wings now hung of
stair way and building support post that now forms a coriander from my
saw area to the stair way.
The good news is its my shop and my well almost all my , well sorta my
domain, when I get permission. I have the welder and compressor in the
garage and the tig in another location, so I always have a place to work
in the evenings. Actually I get most of my work done on weekends and
over the Christmas holiday when I take all my vacation then I get a
solid 12 to 16 hours to work,
Clutter palace airplane works, keys made while you wait, one hour
martinizing!
John
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"Have some more saurkraut, Mr Hofmann?"
We don't need no stinking archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul N.
Peckham
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop
<peckham9@countryspeed.com>
Ryan,
Sorry about the breach of etiquette, but I figured anytime somebody mentions
Blazing Saddles, the campfire scene is the first thing they think of. And
come to think of it, I did hear something, and then smelled something awful
coming from the west side of the field at Brodhead airport (I was on the
east side). Well, enough of that. "Rest your sphincters."
Paul
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265996#265996
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John - 36 foot wing???
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
A major advantage to the 3 piece wing is spatial not special. I am building
in my basement and there is no way I can find=2C locate=2Cmanufacture or cr
eate a
clear pan of wall space=2C floor space or space of any type to accommodate
a wing
that's 36 feet long and 5 feet wide. My choice was no choice a 3 piece wing
in
the basement or a 1 piece wing outside in the yard. Pennsylvania is not kno
wn
for having the friendliest weather or most accommodating neighbors so the 3
piece option was not a choice but a necessity. If you're not plagued by the
same
constraints then there is a choice option=2C for me there was none.
I suppose I could have made the ultimate choice and built it in the kitchen
to the family room following Chucks example=2C not too sure my wife (the pr
actice
one)would have liked it much and more than likely would have chosen for me
to
move out and live elsewhere.... hmmmmmmmm ! without her? hmmmmmmmmmm still
thinking on that one.....
John
Do not archive
In a message dated 10/2/2009 7:25:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not
archive' tag?
3 piece is a bit heavier=2C but far easier to handle....
Ryan
Sent from my mobile device
On Oct 2=2C 2009=2C at 3:14 AM=2C Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>
wrote:
Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
On Fri=2C Oct 2=2C 2009 at 4:13 AM=2C Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>
wrote:
How big is your work shop and work bench?
Russell
On Fri=2C Oct 2=2C 2009 at 4:08 AM=2C Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Howdy All=2C
Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing
or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going
well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any
info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this
I
would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks=2C
Dallas in NM (newbie)
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THANKS--JIM LAGOWSKI
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes
>
> The camera work isn't as good as Jack's video and there aren't any deer,
> but it's still not a bad way to spend 5 minutes of your life:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6ycRzzO20
>
> Hope you enjoy,
> Dan
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Looks like we need to add
Gas pumps
Resale
any others?
____________________________________
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: 10/1/2009 4:54:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be
growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer slow
in down?
Lets review the list of needs:
parking
run up
fuel
problems on landing
fast approach on a short field
high approach
Reduction of orbit for reentry
ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream)
pavement rolling forever
any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary
brake usage ?
In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you are
taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000
liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream).
As Don
said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about roll foreve
r
on pavement. I=99ve had more problems with the brakes than all oth
er
problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have =98em
.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafety
C@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes
Thanks guys, all good information in the planning.
Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs,
mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to
taxi,
fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessa
ry
work for no benefit according too the comments of today.
The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and
allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un
interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall.
Thanks
John
safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day!
In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below 10 mph
to
facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the
gas
pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup.
I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around.
Others flying Pietenpols, what about you?
Jack Philllips
I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to
look
around the pattern before takeoff
for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflecti
on one
way or the other works fine.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | cutting/drilling lexan |
One key for cutting and drilling any plastic is "High speed - slow feed".
AS&S sells a special bit for drilling plastics, with a much steeper angle on
the cutting faces. I bought one to make my windshields (I used plexiglas,
not polycarbonate). It works well.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan
Douwe,
I kept the protective plastic on my Lexan during cutting/fitting as it
really scratches easily.
I used a sabre saw to cut my 1/8" thick Lexan then filed and sanded the
edges to get all the stress riser
marks out and simply used regular drill bits to drill the holes.
I did debur the holes (on both sides) with a hand-held countersink bit (or
larger than your hole-size drill bit if you don't have
a countersink handy) like Bingelis suggests for all holes-in 4130, aluminum,
or plastics.
I cold-bent my windshields to fit my aluminum brackets. I don't think you
can heat-form Lexan in an oven but then again
memory fades on what Bingelis sez about these things. I know he shows in
his books how to heat form Plexiglass but that
stuff is a pain in the rectum to work with/ drill, cut.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Staple Gun do not archive |
I used an ordinary office stapler, and I didn't pound on it, I merely
pushed. It even worked on 1/8"ply gussets on the Fuse
do not archive
On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:52 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> Since you really only want to locate the gusset and have it stay
> where you put it go buy a 22 guage pin nailer. The things are
> so small you can't see where you put em! You can pop in
> lots of the things and won't add more than an ounce to the
> entire plane.
>
> Clif
> Starting to build wing rigs, and wanted to know where you can bet
> the light duty staple gun I think most use. I believe it takes
> conventional office staples used for paper. If you know, please
> provide the source, part number, and latest price if known.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
> Lake City, FL
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
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| Subject: | Re: One vs Three piece wing |
good point bill, thanks
Moving too fast again today.
we should chat off list on some engineering issues I am considering
John
In a message dated 10/2/2009 9:40:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
eng@canadianrogers.com writes:
John, are you sure it forms a coriander, and not a cilantro.
Bill C.
Once more,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Ray,
I work in the basement and if you're really interested I am certain I can
send you a picture of the clutter palace. I have a 16 ' bench which occupies
almost the entire length of my shop with the wings now hung of stair way
and building support post that now forms a coriander from my saw area to
the stair way.
The good news is its my shop and my well almost all my , well sorta my
domain, when I get permission. I have the welder and compressor in the garage
and the tig in another location, so I always have a place to work in the
evenings. Actually I get most of my work done on weekends and over the
Christmas holiday when I take all my vacation then I get a solid 12 to 16 hours
to work,
Clutter palace airplane works, keys made while you wait, one hour
martinizing!
John
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I've seen used
at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office style of
staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that
would be very helpful.
Mark
Lake City, FL
Starting ribs
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| Subject: | Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams... |
That's a great story Don about landing in the grass at Auburn, IN.
After I landed at Goshen, IN in 2005 a big business jet taxied up (I don't
recall the type) and as I was getting fuel only two pilots came out of
the jet and they came right over to the Pietenpol and were asking all kinds
of questions. Turns out they were there to pickup the owners of the Indian
apolis
Colts to take them home from some B&B they were staying at near Goshen.
Here I wanted to go see the jet and these two corporate pilots wanted to
see the Piet !
Mike C.
PS-- here's the Piet at Romeoville, IL Lewis U. Airport when I got
weathered in enroute to Brodhead Friday night. That's a Falcon jet of
some sort in the background.
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| Subject: | cutting/drilling clear plastics |
Jack is right about the special drill bits you can purchase for cutting Ple
xiglas and in Tony's books he shows you how
to grind a regular drill bit so that it doesn't catch or snag when used on
Plexiglas.
With Lexan you'll never hear or see that painful, sudden crack or break in
your work piece when cutting
or drilling but Lexan is more easily scratched than Plexiglas.
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| Subject: | Re: One vs Three piece wing |
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Please do not archive
Sent from my mobile device
On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:32 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Do you like gladiator movies?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (15 ribs down)
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:14 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
>
> Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> How big is your work shop and work bench?
>
> Russell
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Howdy All,
>
> Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or
> three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but
> searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this
> option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Dallas in NM (newbie)
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | cutting/drilling clear plastics |
Lexan is also very prone to stress-cracking when exposed to aggressive
chemicals (such as gasoline). If using Lexan for windshields be very
careful to not spill any gasoline on them, particularly if they are under
stress (like being bent into a curve and held there by brackets).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics
Jack is right about the special drill bits you can purchase for cutting
Plexiglas and in Tony's books he shows you how
to grind a regular drill bit so that it doesn't catch or snag when used on
Plexiglas.
With Lexan you'll never hear or see that painful, sudden crack or break in
your work piece when cutting
or drilling but Lexan is more easily scratched than Plexiglas.
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| Subject: | Re: One vs Three piece wing |
not really more like 33 feet overall with 3 feet to move around it at one
end
In a message dated 10/2/2009 9:42:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tmbrant@msn.com writes:
John - 36 foot wing???
____________________________________
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
A major advantage to the 3 piece wing is spatial not special. I am
building in my basement and there is no way I can find, locate,manufacture or
create a clear pan of wall space, floor space or space of any type to
accommodate a wing that's 36 feet long and 5 feet wide. My choice was no choice
a 3
piece wing in the basement or a 1 piece wing outside in the yard.
Pennsylvania is not known for having the friendliest weather or most accommodating
neighbors so the 3 piece option was not a choice but a necessity. If you're
not plagued by the same constraints then there is a choice option, for me
there was none.
I suppose I could have made the ultimate choice and built it in the
kitchen to the family room following Chucks example, not too sure my wife (the
practice one)would have liked it much and more than likely would have chosen
for me to move out and live elsewhere.... hmmmmmmmm ! without her?
hmmmmmmmmmm still thinking on that one.....
John
Do not archive
In a message dated 10/2/2009 7:25:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not
archive' tag?
3 piece is a bit heavier, but far easier to handle....
Ryan
Sent from my mobile device
On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Robert Ray <_rray032003@gmail.com_
(mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote:
Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray < (mailto:rray032003@gmail.com)
_rray032003@gmail.com_ (mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote:
How big is your work shop and work bench?
Russell
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas < (mailto:paradox4u2@yahoo.com)
_paradox4u2@yahoo.com_ (mailto:paradox4u2@yahoo.com) > wrote:
Howdy All,
Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three
piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I
just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed
some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Dallas in NM (newbie)
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| Subject: | Re: centersection flop |
No Comment....
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> >
>
> "Have some more saurkraut, Mr Hofmann?"
>
>
> We don't need no stinking archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> N.
> Peckham
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:31 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop
>
> <peckham9@countryspeed.com>
>
> Ryan,
>
> Sorry about the breach of etiquette, but I figured anytime somebody
> mentions
> Blazing Saddles, the campfire scene is the first thing they think
> of. And
> come to think of it, I did hear something, and then smelled
> something awful
> coming from the west side of the field at Brodhead airport (I was on
> the
> east side). Well, enough of that. "Rest your sphincters."
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265996#265996
>
>
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| Subject: | Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico |
Well, there goes any plan of ever flying 41CC down to
Guadalajara, Mexico. They just passed a reg requiring
the new UHF ELTs (406mHz) and I'm going to resist installing
one of those for as long as I can.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | cutting/drilling clear plastics |
Recently, I was talking to a Piet owner, who had just replaced his front
windshield with Plexiglass. Previously, both windshields (front and
back) were made of Lexan (with bends), and he has had to replace the
front windshield several times, since it would crack whenever gas
happened to accidentally get splashed on it. With the Plexi, no
cracking. The Plexiglass turns a bit cloudy, or hazy for a while, but
goes back to being clear when the gas evaporates. He left the rear
windshield Lexan, since it never sees any gas. This is on a Piet with a
fuel tank in the nose, so the liklihood of getting fuel on the front
windshield is greater.
Bill C.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics
Lexan is also very prone to stress-cracking when exposed to aggressive
chemicals (such as gasoline). If using Lexan for windshields be very
careful to not spill any gasoline on them, particularly if they are
under stress (like being bent into a curve and held there by brackets).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics
Jack is right about the special drill bits you can purchase for cutting
Plexiglas and in Tony's books he shows you how
to grind a regular drill bit so that it doesn't catch or snag when used
on Plexiglas.
With Lexan you'll never hear or see that painful, sudden crack or break
in your work piece when cutting
or drilling but Lexan is more easily scratched than Plexiglas.
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I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They
don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I
wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and
they are nearly invisible.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark <mscca@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I=92ve see
n
> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office sty
le
> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. th
at
> would be very helpful.
>
>
> Mark
>
> Lake City, FL
>
> Starting ribs
>
> *
>
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I've spilled avgas on my front windshield many times and have never had to
replace it. There have
been zero adverse effects from avgas when splashed on Lexan, at least in my
11 years of flying with
that windshield.
I did have to replace the rear windshield once where it appeared to me that
the stress of the bending
eventually promoted stress fractures radiating from around the bracket and
at the edge of the rounded
corner at the two bottom corners of the windshield. At the end of one fl
ying season one of the micro
fractures turned into a crack about an inch long so I used the drill-stop m
ethod to keep it from
propagating and then replaced the rear windshield the next Spring.
Mike C.
There are PPP's Pietenpol Plexiglas Proponents and then there are PLP's,
Pietenpol Lexan Proponents.
The PLP's are generally more handsome and get more women than the PPP's.
It's a proven fact:)
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I can tell you how to get one that works. Take a ten dollar bill to your
local Home Depot and exchange it for an Easy Shot staple gun. It's light
duty, shoots staples, and works just fine for rib gussets. If you can't fin
d
a Home Depot, or have some aversion to that brand, then go to any big box
home improvement or hardware store and ask them to lead you to a light duty
staple gun. If you absolutely HAVE to have the exact same kind that they us
e
at OSH, then you're being too anal retentive about it. Just get one and get
building! :)
Ryan
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark <mscca@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I=92ve see
n
> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office sty
le
> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. th
at
> would be very helpful.
>
>
> Mark
>
> Lake City, FL
>
> Starting ribs
>
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Awesome! I can't wait.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266074#266074
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Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Just to clarify, that gent in the rear cockpit made of fast-twitch
> muscle would be Mr. Dan Yocum; doing all the work too!
You noticed that, too? I'm going to claim that 55 degrees gets darn
cold at 75 mph - all the twitching was due to me shivering. Brrr.
>
> Thanks for sharing Dan, excellent vid. How many more hours til your freed?
>
I've got 7.5 with my CFI, so 2.5 more dual, then 10 solo before you and
Jesse get to ride along (not at the same time, of course).
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico |
I didn't think you needed an ELT during solo flight. (of course the FAR's
are certainly not my strong suit.
do not archive
PS-- I've never had an ELT from day one. The FAA inspector never said a word
about it. Someone will see the black smoke.
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Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>
>
> Excellent video Dan and nice, nice smooth landing at Dacy. That is one nice
grass airport. Landed there for gas one year enroute to Wisconsin.
>
> Thanks for sharing that video. You fly lower than Jack P. and I did under a
lowering cloud deck enroute to Dodge Co. Juneau, WI after Brodhead.
> Must not be any cell phone towers around there.
Yeah, I like 1000' feet or so too, but man, it was *cold* that day.
100-200' more and you could feel the temperature drop.
We were definitely over sparsely populated areas with lots of bean
fields (read as, landing spots), so I took the 500' minimum altitude
requirement to heart.
I just hope it warms up enough in the next couple of weeks so I can
finish off the dual required by the insurance man.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Gracias Oscar!
-
No Bill, I'm not a "belt and suspenders" guy- :o )
The X-brace wires are in place temporarily,-it's very easy to move-the
wing fore and aft-using the wires and then you can make or adjust the dia
gonals to the required lenght
Saludos
-
Santiago
-=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo
! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/
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mike wrote:
>
> There used to be a lot more bugs in northern Illinois, didn't there?
Didn't you see them splattered all over the front windscreen? Yeah, I
need to clean it...
One last comment about the flight and I'll shaddap about the whole
thing. I've got an iPhone and bought a $2.99 GPS app called MotionX
GPS. Right after we took off I started the timer and it recorded our
track. The software has the ability to email your track and current
position to up to 5 people at the push of a button. I emailed the track
to myself and in the email sent it provides a link to a track drawn on
google maps. Here's the link to the track:
http://tinyurl.com/ydty875
The software has support for waypoints, cached maps from
openstreetmap.org, a compass, taking and attaching photos to the track,
etc. It's a pretty cool add-on for $2.99.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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I figured that your windscreen took out most of the remaining insect
population and your wings probably had some biological vortex generators
attached. Ah, the joys of low and slow.
BTW, that is a cool iPhone app. I just now bought it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes
mike wrote:
>
> There used to be a lot more bugs in northern Illinois, didn't there?
Didn't you see them splattered all over the front windscreen? Yeah, I need
to clean it...
One last comment about the flight and I'll shaddap about the whole thing.
I've got an iPhone and bought a $2.99 GPS app called MotionX GPS. Right
after we took off I started the timer and it recorded our track. The
software has the ability to email your track and current position to up to 5
people at the push of a button. I emailed the track to myself and in the
email sent it provides a link to a track drawn on google maps. Here's the
link to the track:
http://tinyurl.com/ydty875
The software has support for waypoints, cached maps from openstreetmap.org,
a compass, taking and attaching photos to the track, etc. It's a pretty
cool add-on for $2.99.
Cheers,
Dan
--
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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Okay, $9.97.
How's that?
(be careful what you ask for)
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that would be
very helpful.
Mark
Lake City, FL
Starting ribs
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Very cool Dan ! All the way up to Poplar Grove you went.
Being iPhone illiterate, would something like that be $2.99 once or
is that $2.99/ mo. onto your bill ?
Just think how many wives could track their husbands whereabouts with THAT
app !
Then again it sounded like you had to intentionally send your update/ track
to certain e-mail accounts.
Mike C.
do not archive
PS- the flight track wasn't taken on the flight/ trip to Dacy though correct ?
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My reasoning for using the 3 piece wing:
You can move everything, during every phase of wing building by yourself.
Scarf joints don't look like any fun at all.
You can pre-assemble for rigging, strut measurements, etc before covering b
y yourself-I did it.
If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you o
nly have to fix one wing panel.
The additional weight of a 3 piece wing has been exaggerated from time to t
ime-you can still build a nice, light plane using a 3 pce wing.
You can build a 3 pce wing Piet in a single car garage. Steve Eldredge fro
m Utah is a prime example. I also had just a 1 car garage but
used the living room to build the wings because it was nice and warm in the
re and it was close to the remote, chips, and fridge.
You can add dihedral to a 3 pce wing easier than you can a 1 pce wing. Th
ere is no stress imparted to the spars when putting dihedral into a 3 pce w
ing.
You can use a 1987 Honda CRX Si to move your wing panels to the airport for
painting, assembly, back to the house until spring, or just take them for
ice cream.
Makes life easier when routing things like aileron cables, pitot-static pol
y tubing, and covering.
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| Subject: | Re: avgas and Lexan |
Wow... I didn't realize this... It looks like I need to convert to PLP...
Don E.
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If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you only
have to fix one wing panel.
This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at OSH,
because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering tailwind, and
I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing panels home?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: One-piece wing |
Correction. I meant to say "that wing panel"
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From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 3:45 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing
If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you only
have to fix one wing panel.
?
This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at OSH,
because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering tailwind, and
I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing panels home?
?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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You mean.. after the FAA closes the airport, grounds you, conducts a 2-hr
investigation, and suffers you to water-boarding to find the real truth?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing
If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you
only have to fix one wing panel.
This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at
OSH, because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering
tailwind, and I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing
panels home?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: One-piece wing |
Sorry, I meant circular saw, not axe. My bad....
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> When Del delivered our Piet project (with a one piece wing) to us he drove
> it down from up near Minneapolis on a full size car trailer, towing it with
> his Suburban. He had built a rack, or scaffolding if you will, out of 2x4's
> and had the wing running lengthwise on that, with the fuselage underneath.
> If I recall it still hung over the back of the trailer a bit. With a covered
> wing you could probably cradle it vertically (i.e. leading edge down)
> running the length of a trailer with the fuselage next to it.
>
> Thankfully we don't have to worry about that because I took an axe and cut
> it in half. Fab a center section and we have a three piece wing.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you
>> only have to fix one wing panel.
>>
>> This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at
>> OSH, because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering
>> tailwind, and I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing
>> panels home?
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One-piece wing |
When Del delivered our Piet project (with a one piece wing) to us he drove
it down from up near Minneapolis on a full size car trailer, towing it with
his Suburban. He had built a rack, or scaffolding if you will, out of 2x4's
and had the wing running lengthwise on that, with the fuselage underneath.
If I recall it still hung over the back of the trailer a bit. With a covered
wing you could probably cradle it vertically (i.e. leading edge down)
running the length of a trailer with the fuselage next to it.
Thankfully we don't have to worry about that because I took an axe and cut
it in half. Fab a center section and we have a three piece wing.
Ryan
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you
> only have to fix one wing panel.
>
> This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at
> OSH, because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering
> tailwind, and I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing
> panels home?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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| Subject: | Re: One-piece wing |
Quoth the Fed: "A monoplane. Are you telling me you built me an airplane
with only one wing?"
And poof goes the ticket!
Ryan
do not archive
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> You mean=85. after the FAA closes the airport, grounds you, conducts a 2
-hr
> investigation, and suffers you to water-boarding to find the real truth?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
>
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: iphone app gps |
Hi Mike,
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>
> Very cool Dan ! All the way up to Poplar Grove you went.
And right over Dan Helsper's house - nope, I didn't see his Piet out on
the apron.
>
> Being iPhone illiterate, would something like that be $2.99 once or
> is that $2.99/ mo. onto your bill ?
That's a one time shot of $2.99. Some apps have monthly service fees -
there's one for FAA sectionals that I can't recall atm...
>
> Just think how many wives could track their husbands whereabouts with THAT
> app !
>
> Then again it sounded like you had to intentionally send your update/ track
> to certain e-mail accounts.
Yep.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
> PS- the flight track wasn't taken on the flight/ trip to Dacy though correct
?
Yeah, that track goes through Dacy - that's the top right corner of the
triangle.
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: One-piece wing |
"The biplane's as dead as a Dodo."
Do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 2, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Quoth the Fed: "A monoplane. Are you telling me you built me an
> airplane with only one wing?"
>
> And poof goes the ticket!
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> You mean=85. after the FAA closes the airport, grounds you, conducts a
> 2-hr investigation, and suffers you to water-boarding to find the
> real truth?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (15 ribs down=85)
> Do not archive
>
>
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I have several pieces of 1-1/8" x 1/4" white pine. Any reason I shouldn't laminate
these and use them for my wing tip bows? Perhaps I can glass them to make
them a bit more durable?
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: iphone app gps |
As Dan said, Dacy is up near the peak of the track to the north. If you
start at the peak and come down the right side you can see a short section
with a thicker double width line just south of Airport Rd. That would be
Dan's landing, taxi back, and takeoff on 14/32 at Dacy.
BTW, Dacy has a simple website, I just discovered. There's a short history,
and a few neat photos of Dacy over the years:
http://www.dacyairport.com/
Ryan
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
> PS- the flight track wasn't taken on the flight/ trip to Dacy though
> correct ?
>
> Yeah, that track goes through Dacy - that's the top right corner of the
> triangle.
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Bows |
You could, but just remember that is a structural part. It acts as a compression
strut. There is a fairly good compression load on it. I probably wouldn't
but then if I knew wood better, maybe I would. You really do get a warm and
fuzzy feeling when the plane is racking around while flying through turbulence
and you know you didn't skimp on materials.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Elevator trim system |
I would also like to know more about the various elevator trim systems in place
other then trim tabs. I have seen Mike Cuy's setup, anyone else have something?
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| Subject: | Re: avgas and Lexan |
My 2 cents worth . . . my windshields on the Travel Air are plexiglass.
I replace them every few years. Once I tried lexan. Only a week or so
old, I spilled avgas on one and it shattered like glass. Never again.
Plexiglass every 4-5 years now.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation]<mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: avgas and Lexan
I've spilled avgas on my front windshield many times and have never
had to replace it. There have
been zero adverse effects from avgas when splashed on Lexan, at least
in my 11 years of flying with
that windshield.
I did have to replace the rear windshield once where it appeared to me
that the stress of the bending
eventually promoted stress fractures radiating from around the bracket
and at the edge of the rounded
corner at the two bottom corners of the windshield. At the end of
one flying season one of the micro
fractures turned into a crack about an inch long so I used the
drill-stop method to keep it from
propagating and then replaced the rear windshield the next Spring.
Mike C.
There are PPP's Pietenpol Plexiglas Proponents and then there are
PLP's, Pietenpol Lexan Proponents.
The PLP's are generally more handsome and get more women than the
PPP's. It's a proven factJ
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just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there!
Gene
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From: Matt Redmond<mailto:mdredmond@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins.
They don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things
together. I wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple
ounces at most and they are nearly invisible.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark
<mscca@comcast.net<mailto:mscca@comcast.net>> wrote:
Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I=92ve
seen used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common
office style of staples. If you can provide a model number, source,
and/or price.. that would be very helpful.
Mark
Lake City, FL
Starting ribs
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| Subject: | Push/Pull on elevator |
I am interested in those who may have installed a push/pull tube setup from the
stick to the elevator bell crank. Pictures are best, but if anyone knows who
has done this and how it is done, I would appreciate some pointers.
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Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them
to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as
well.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there!
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matt Redmond
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
> I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They
> don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I
> wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and
> they are nearly invisible.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark <mscca@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that Ive seen
>> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office style
>> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that
>> would be very helpful.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Lake City, FL
>>
>> Starting ribs
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Bows |
Yes you can use these. That's what?I did. Pre-bent them (steamed) to the shape
of the center line of a rib, then glued in a jig. Very strong.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 4:43 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Tip Bows
I have several pieces of 1-1/8" x 1/4" white pine. Any reason I shouldn't
laminate these and use them for my wing tip bows? Perhaps I can glass them to
make them a bit more durable?
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Push/Pull on elevator |
You will need to make an intermediate pivot point just behind the seat.
Check out Gary Boothe's pictures on www.westcoastpiet.com and see how he
did it. Very nicely done.
Just make sure you don't change the control travel geometry.
Nothing wrong with cables and pulleys per the plans but the push/pull
tube will clean up the cockpit nicely.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator
I am interested in those who may have installed a push/pull tube
setup from the stick to the elevator bell crank. Pictures are best, but
if anyone knows who has done this and how it is done, I would appreciate
some pointers.
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I KNOW this has been discussed, but a search of the archives does not
turn up an answer to my exact question. I am ready to install the
plywood on my leading edge. (OK, let's get terminology out of the way
here. The very front piece I am calling the "nose piece." That,
together with the plywood on the top side back to the spar forms the
"leading edge." On the top of the spar between the ribs are the "filler
strips")
Since the plans don't specify, I made the filler strips 1/2" wide and
glued them flush with the front face of the spar (for several reasons
that I won't go into here) Because they follow the curve of the top
capstrip, they are about 3/8" tall at the rear. OK, the plans say for
the plywood to be 9" wide. Even overlapping the ply over the nose piece
1/2", the ply goes about 3/4" beyond the back of the filler strip. I
don't have a problem with that, it probably helps fair the fabric in,
but I was wondering what most of you do. Do any of you cut the ply to
end at the back of the filler strip? Seems like that would make the
edge pretty sharp for the fabric to follow.
The next question is the sequence of glueing it on. I am planning on
using nail strips to hold it down to the nose piece. Just wondering
whether to glue/nail to the spar filler first and then bend down, or the
other way around, or am I worrying too much??
All this being said, I just found a place in Mass where I bought my
1/16" okume plywood. The 4x8 sheet was $27, the first two cuts were
free. Cutting it into 9" pieces took 5 cuts, so for around $30 plus
shipping, I had my leading edge material. Can't think of the name now,
but contact me offline and I can give it to anyone who is interested.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
Oh, and another thing, for what it is worth, I looked for banister
material too, but that stuff is expensive!!!!!! I bought a 16' fir 2x4
at a local building supply place and ripped it in half leaving 2 pieces
1 1/2 by 1 3/4 (almost, just shy of 3/4). Ripped them to 1" by 1 3/4
and made the two cuts to approximate the curve, minimal planing
required. Total cost, $30.
Gene
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ya know, I really don't know. I HAVE seen old wings (Stearman, etc)
where the steel nails have rusted and it does make a mess as they swell,
etc, when they rust. Don't know whether it really hurts anything.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Redmond<mailto:mdredmond@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
<mdredmond@gmail.com<mailto:mdredmond@gmail.com>>
Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them
to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as
well.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo
<generambo@msn.com<mailto:generambo@msn.com>> wrote:
> just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there!
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matt Redmond
> To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
> I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins.
They
> don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things
together. I
> wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at
most and
> they are nearly invisible.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark
<mscca@comcast.net<mailto:mscca@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that
I=92ve seen
>> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common
office style
>> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or
price.. that
>> would be very helpful.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Lake City, FL
>>
>> Starting ribs
>>
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And... I forgot: You can buy stainless pins.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> ya know, I really don't know. I HAVE seen old wings (Stearman, etc)where
> the steel nails have rusted and it does make a mess as they swell, etc, when
> they rust. Don't know whether it really hurts anything.
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matt Redmond
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
>
> Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them
> to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as
> well.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>> just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there!
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Matt Redmond
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
>> I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They
>> don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I
>> wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and
>> they are nearly invisible.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark <mscca@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that Ive seen
>>> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office
>>> style
>>> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price..
>>> that
>>> would be very helpful.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Lake City, FL
>>>
>>> Starting ribs
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge |
Gene,
Do not install the filler strips on top of the spar between the ribs. It
will produce a sharp transition when the fabric is pulled tight.
This needs to be a smooth transition where the plywood ends.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: leading edge
I KNOW this has been discussed, but a search of the archives does not
turn up an answer to my exact question. I am ready to install the
plywood on my leading edge. (OK, let's get terminology out of the way
here. The very front piece I am calling the "nose piece." That,
together with the plywood on the top side back to the spar forms the
"leading edge." On the top of the spar between the ribs are the "filler
strips")
Since the plans don't specify, I made the filler strips 1/2" wide and
glued them flush with the front face of the spar (for several reasons
that I won't go into here) Because they follow the curve of the top
capstrip, they are about 3/8" tall at the rear. OK, the plans say for
the plywood to be 9" wide. Even overlapping the ply over the nose piece
1/2", the ply goes about 3/4" beyond the back of the filler strip. I
don't have a problem with that, it probably helps fair the fabric in,
but I was wondering what most of you do. Do any of you cut the ply to
end at the back of the filler strip? Seems like that would make the
edge pretty sharp for the fabric to follow.
The next question is the sequence of glueing it on. I am planning on
using nail strips to hold it down to the nose piece. Just wondering
whether to glue/nail to the spar filler first and then bend down, or the
other way around, or am I worrying too much??
All this being said, I just found a place in Mass where I bought my
1/16" okume plywood. The 4x8 sheet was $27, the first two cuts were
free. Cutting it into 9" pieces took 5 cuts, so for around $30 plus
shipping, I had my leading edge material. Can't think of the name now,
but contact me offline and I can give it to anyone who is interested.
Gene
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There is internal moisture in the spruce and the plywood, plus oxygen. You
can seal it all you want and it will still rust and cause damage to the
wood. If you are not going to pull out the fasteners, they must be coated
aircraft nails.
What I did was to use a light duty Stanley staple gun, model TR45. Used No.
3 light duty staples, both 1/4 and 5/16 inch. Once the parts have cured,
used a small end nipper, nail puller to remove the staples.
Ricks S.
> [Original Message]
> From: Matt Redmond <mdredmond@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/2/2009 4:24:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
>
>
> Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them
> to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as
> well.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> > just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there!
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Matt Redmond
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
> > I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They
> > don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things
together. I
> > wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most
and
> > they are nearly invisible.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark <mscca@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that Ive seen
> >> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office
style
> >> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price..
that
> >> would be very helpful.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> Lake City, FL
> >>
> >> Starting ribs
> >>
> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> >> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
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> >
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s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | don't worry Dan from Poplar Grove |
You know Dan you mention if you're at Oshkosh and the controllers made you land
on the asphalt in a quartering taiwind....is
a valid point. I will give EAA credit on the issue of the Showcase Event/ Homebuilt
Review in that during the flight briefing
the Air Boss told us that if we were not comfortable with the runway in use at
the time of landing that we could request the other
runway and he would do everything he could to accommodate us. I saw what a difficult
time your friend from Poplar Grove
had landing into that really gusty 45 degree crosswind in his beautiful red (Junior
Ace ?) Ace high wing but his alternative was
to ask for the other runway which was also exactly 45 degrees into the crosswind.
This Oshkosh presented some gusty, odd
wind patterns (but nice cool temperatures) and it was challenging, even for the
best of the best of us to handle them-- and I'm
talking of our own Lowell Frank who I would let my first wife, current wife, first
born, second born, third born, and relatives fly
with anyday.
You take yer chances.
Keep going Dan-- you're going to be an award winner next summer when you take your
pretty Ford Piet into Oshkosh.
Ask em' for the ultralight runway like Greg Cardinal did or just land in the grass
next to the assigned runway...what can they do ?
Andrew King and Frank Pavliga have done that on numerous landings and nobody called
them on it. If you need the grass, use it.
Mike C
Ohio
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I have found that a common screwdriver, bent and filed to a shallow chisel
end, is a great staple-removing aid. The bent end acts like a mini
nail-puller, you can rock it on the gusset and get some leverage.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
> <lmforge@earthlink.net>
>
> There is internal moisture in the spruce and the plywood, plus oxygen. You
> can seal it all you want and it will still rust and cause damage to the
> wood. If you are not going to pull out the fasteners, they must be coated
> aircraft nails.
>
> What I did was to use a light duty Stanley staple gun, model TR45. Used
> No.
> 3 light duty staples, both 1/4 and 5/16 inch. Once the parts have cured,
> used a small end nipper, nail puller to remove the staples.
>
> Ricks S.
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Matt Redmond <mdredmond@gmail.com>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 10/2/2009 4:24:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
>>
>>
>> Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them
>> to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as
>> well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>> > just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there!
>> >
>> > Gene
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Matt Redmond
>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM
>> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
>> > I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They
>> > don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things
> together. I
>> > wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most
> and
>> > they are nearly invisible.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark <mscca@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I've
>> >> seen
>> >> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office
> style
>> >> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price..
> that
>> >> would be very helpful.
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >>
>> >> Lake City, FL
>> >>
>> >> Starting ribs
>> >>
>> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> >> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Dan; excellent video. It really captures the essence of
a typical Piet flight, or at least part of it.
I notice that at least one of your lift struts has a splice
in it. I also notice that your airplane wants to make carb
ice as readily as mine does ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Dacy, wingwalker etc... |
Hey Ryan-- thanks for helping me see Dan's landing/taxiback/ takeoff at Dacy Field.
What a great airport that is. It felt like I landed at an airport
from the 1950's when I went in to pay my bill for fuel. I loved it. Don't know
if it is still the same but it was fun when I was there. Dave Dacy was
kind of gruff but nice. My kind of airport.
Okay Dan-- now let's see some video of your lousy landings. Actually I'm hoping
to fly some rides here in October and my biggest request via intercom
is that the passenger shifts to the right side of the seat so I can see down the
runway during flare and roundout.
Most times the passenger hears "duck down under the floor so I can see better"
but in reality all it does to help me is for the passenger to slide to one
side L or R so I can see down the middle a bit better.
Mike
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I like the reasoning for building in the living room. You obviously weren'
t married at the time.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing choices
My reasoning for using the 3 piece wing:
You can move everything=2C during every phase of wing building by yourself.
Scarf joints don=92t look like any fun at all.
You can pre-assemble for rigging=2C strut measurements=2C etc before coveri
ng by yourself=97I did it.
If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you o
nly have to fix one wing panel.
The additional weight of a 3 piece wing has been exaggerated from time to t
ime=97you can still build a nice=2C light plane using a 3 pce wing.
You can build a 3 pce wing Piet in a single car garage. Steve Eldredge fro
m Utah is a prime example. I also had just a 1 car garage but
used the living room to build the wings because it was nice and warm in the
re and it was close to the remote=2C chips=2C and fridge.
You can add dihedral to a 3 pce wing easier than you can a 1 pce wing. Th
ere is no stress imparted to the spars when putting dihedral into a 3 pce w
ing.
You can use a 1987 Honda CRX Si to move your wing panels to the airport for
painting=2C assembly=2C back to the house until spring=2C or just take the
m for ice cream.
Makes life easier when routing things like aileron cables=2C pitot-static p
oly tubing=2C and covering.
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| Subject: | Re: Dacy, wingwalker etc... |
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> Okay Dan-- now let's see some video of your lousy landings. Actually I'm hoping
to fly some rides here in October and my biggest request via intercom
> is that the passenger shifts to the right side of the seat so I can see down
the runway during flare and roundout.
N8031's got a big, long, high up nose (it matches it's owner). The
thrustline has got to be a bit different than your Piet.
Anyway, when I get down to the round-out and flare I completely de-focus
my eyes and concentrate on my peripheral vision and keep her straight
until I feel the bump/bounce and then just keep dancing on the pedals
and brakes until I can turn off.
I was quite happy with that flight on Thursday, and all but the last
landing were right on the money. No bumps, no bounces, just a nice soft
rumble. The last one, I caught some turbulence off the road traffic and
bounced it a little, but not too bad. We'll see how well I do without
the ballast in the front seat...
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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oscar es pero que continues tanbien y disfrutando tus vuelos con tu piet yo
estoy casi terminando toda la seccion de la cola y boy ha empesar algunas
partes de metal para los horns y attach for cables te agradeseria mucho si
me pudieras dar una idea mejor ge como construir una vercion mejor dela pal
anca de aselerador del gas (turttel) asselerator ho algo asi estas son algu
nas fotos gracias de nuevo jorge from hanford- y espero cuando my piet es
te listo para volar poder bisitar ha todoes ustedes tanks bery mauchs
--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes
Dan; excellent video.- It really captures the essence of
a typical Piet flight, or at least part of it.
I notice that at least one of your lift struts has a splice
in it.- I also notice that your airplane wants to make carb
ice as readily as mine does ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge |
estas con sigiendo una piesa de museo muchas felicidades es ta precioso tu avion
ojala el mio se biera igual saludos from hanford jorge
--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge
See attached.
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| Subject: | landings with passengers in the front seat |
Good approach Dan-- that is what I normally do-- just use the peripheral image
from either side of the fuselage
to flare with a passenger. The time I like to have the passenger shift right
or left is during final but again as you said, need
not be done. Nice job feeling for the terra-firma !!!
That's not an easy thing to do as runway widths vary, slopes, little hills and
dips can mess with you in those final few inches
before touchdown but that's what makes it so challenging and fun. If I have a
bad landing with a passenger I just tell them
that "someday I'm going to actually get my pilot license !"
Mike C.
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These pins are so tiny any rusting will be insignificant.
Remember, the ribs are, like everything else in the
plane, overbuilt. We're not looking for any strength,
just location. Even on a flat surface the gussets will
slide and creep by themselves sometimes.
Clif----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
ya know, I really don't know. I HAVE seen old wings (Stearman, etc)
where the steel nails have rusted and it does make a mess as they swell,
etc, when they rust. Don't know whether it really hurts anything.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Redmond
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
<mdredmond@gmail.com>
Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them
to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over
as
well.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
wrote:
> just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there!
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matt Redmond
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun
> I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins.
They
> don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things
together. I
> wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at
most and
> they are nearly invisible.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark <mscca@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that
I=92ve seen
>> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common
office style
>> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or
price.. that
>> would be very helpful.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Lake City, FL
>>
>> Starting ribs
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"Have you ever seen a grown man, naked?"
Now, this is where DO NOT ARCHIVE comes into play.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
Do you like gladiator movies?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down...)
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Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
How big is your work shop and work bench?
Russell
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy All,
Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three
piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around
I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could
shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Dallas in NM (newbie)
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At least it's Airplane! related....
do not archive
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> "Have you ever seen a grown man, naked?"
>
>
> Now, this is where DO NOT ARCHIVE comes into play.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Boothe
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2009 8:33 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
>
> Do you like gladiator movies?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Ray
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2009 1:14 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing
>
>
> Are you also a night worker or an early riser?
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How big is your work shop and work bench?
>
>
> Russell
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <paradox4u2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Howdy All,
>
>
> Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three
> piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around
I
> just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could sh
ed
> some light on this I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dallas in NM (newbie)
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