---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/02/09: 83 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:09 AM - One vs Three piece wing (Dallas) 2. 01:13 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Robert Ray) 3. 01:17 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Robert Ray) 4. 03:21 AM - Re: Greg C. using brakes (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 03:44 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 04:20 AM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Michael Perez) 7. 04:24 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Ryan Mueller) 8. 04:29 AM - Re: Greg C. using brakes (gcardinal) 9. 05:14 AM - cutting/drilling lexan (Douwe Blumberg) 10. 05:23 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 11. 05:39 AM - Re: Spar splice (Bill Church) 12. 05:40 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Gary Boothe) 13. 05:40 AM - Re: cutting/drilling lexan (helspersew@aol.com) 14. 05:52 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 06:11 AM - Re: using brakes (Gene & Tammy) 16. 06:12 AM - Re: cutting/drilling lexan (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 17. 06:39 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Bill Church) 18. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: centersection flop (Jack Phillips) 19. 06:41 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 20. 06:42 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Lagowski Morrow) 21. 06:42 AM - Fw: using brakes (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 22. 06:43 AM - Re: cutting/drilling lexan (Jack Phillips) 23. 06:43 AM - Re: Staple Gun do not archive (Roman Bukolt) 24. 06:44 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 25. 06:53 AM - Staple Gun (Mark) 26. 06:54 AM - Re: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 27. 06:56 AM - cutting/drilling clear plastics (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 28. 07:03 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Ryan Mueller) 29. 07:12 AM - Re: cutting/drilling clear plastics (Jack Phillips) 30. 07:13 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 31. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: centersection flop (John Hofmann) 32. 07:23 AM - Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico (Oscar Zuniga) 33. 07:30 AM - Re: cutting/drilling clear plastics (Bill Church) 34. 08:13 AM - Re: Staple Gun (Matt Redmond) 35. 08:13 AM - avgas and Lexan (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 36. 08:43 AM - Re: Staple Gun (Ryan Mueller) 37. 08:57 AM - Re: 5 minutes (K5YAC) 38. 09:13 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum) 39. 09:43 AM - Re: Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 40. 09:43 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum) 41. 10:15 AM - Spar splice (santiago morete) 42. 10:48 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum) 43. 11:44 AM - Re: 5 minutes (mike) 44. 11:44 AM - Re: Staple Gun (Bill Church) 45. 12:08 PM - iphone app gps (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 46. 01:10 PM - wing choices (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 47. 01:48 PM - Re: avgas and Lexan (Don Emch) 48. 01:49 PM - One-piece wing (helspersew@aol.com) 49. 01:56 PM - Re: One-piece wing (helspersew@aol.com) 50. 02:06 PM - Re: One-piece wing (Gary Boothe) 51. 02:06 PM - Re: One-piece wing (Ryan Mueller) 52. 02:06 PM - Re: One-piece wing (Ryan Mueller) 53. 02:21 PM - Re: One-piece wing (Ryan Mueller) 54. 02:21 PM - Re: iphone app gps (Dan Yocum) 55. 02:40 PM - Re: One-piece wing (John Hofmann) 56. 02:44 PM - Wing Tip Bows (K5YAC) 57. 02:44 PM - Re: iphone app gps (Ryan Mueller) 58. 02:54 PM - Re: Wing Tip Bows (Don Emch) 59. 03:13 PM - Elevator trim system (Michael Perez) 60. 03:13 PM - Re: avgas and Lexan (Gene Rambo) 61. 03:13 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Gene Rambo) 62. 03:21 PM - Push/Pull on elevator (Michael Perez) 63. 03:22 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Matt Redmond) 64. 03:40 PM - Re: Wing Tip Bows (helspersew@aol.com) 65. 03:40 PM - Re: Push/Pull on elevator (gcardinal) 66. 03:40 PM - leading edge (Gene Rambo) 67. 03:52 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (Gene Rambo) 68. 03:56 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Gene Rambo) 69. 04:08 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Matt Redmond) 70. 04:39 PM - Re: leading edge (gcardinal) 71. 04:39 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Richard Schreiber) 72. 05:05 PM - don't worry Dan from Poplar Grove (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 73. 05:11 PM - Re: Staple Gun (David Paule) 74. 05:28 PM - 5 minutes (Oscar Zuniga) 75. 06:01 PM - Dacy, wingwalker etc... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 76. 06:45 PM - Re: wing choices (Doug Dever) 77. 07:24 PM - Re: Dacy, wingwalker etc... (Dan Yocum) 78. 09:03 PM - Re: 5 minutes (jorge lizarraga) 79. 09:07 PM - Re: Riblett 612 Leading Edge (jorge lizarraga) 80. 09:46 PM - landings with passengers in the front seat (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 81. 09:48 PM - Re: Staple Gun (Clif Dawson) 82. 09:50 PM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Bill Church) 83. 10:10 PM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:35 AM PST US From: Dallas Subject: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Howdy All, - Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piec e. I have started the ribs-which are-going well-but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could sh ed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. - Thanks, Dallas in NM (newbie)=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing From: Robert Ray How big is your work shop and work bench? Russell On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote: > Howdy All, > > Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three > piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I > just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed > some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks, > Dallas in NM (newbie) > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing From: Robert Ray Are you also a night worker or an early riser? On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray wrote: > How big is your work shop and work bench? > > Russell > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote: > >> Howdy All, >> >> Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three >> piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I >> just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed >> some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. >> >> Thanks, >> Dallas in NM (newbie) >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg C. using brakes From: helspersew@aol.com Greg Cardinal, Do you land at hard surfaced airports with your plane? I noticed your plas tic (nylon) pad on the bottom of your skid. Please give us the low-down on landing/taxi on hard surface with your skid. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a need fo r them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to increase drag on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations helps a lot. I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams..... =C2- Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be growi ng much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used=C2-fer slowi n down? =C2- Lets review the list of needs: =C2- parking run up fuel problems on landing fast approach on a short field high approach Reduction of orbit for reentry ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream) pavement rolling forever =C2- any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary br ake usage=C2-=C2-? =C2- =C2- =C2- In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Day light Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them.=C2- Like when you are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,0 00 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). =C2- As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just abou t roll forever on pavement.=C2- I=99ve had more problems with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have =98em. =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes =C2- Thanks guys, all good information in the planning. =C2- Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanica l vs juice, friction=C2-if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi, fueling=C2-and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unne cessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today. =C2- The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allow s me=C2-more concentration on the important issues like continued un int errupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall. =C2- Thanks =C2- John =C2- safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day!= 0 A =C2- In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. 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Mainly it is personal preference. A three-piece affords some advantages. Handling a one-piece is almost impossible for one person. You need a LOT of room to build also. Three-piece lends itself to putting dihedral in and may be a little more stable in flight. One-piece is simpler with no extra attach fittings in the center section. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Dallas Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 3:08 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Howdy All, ? Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs?which are?going well?but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. ? Thanks, Dallas in NM (newbie) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:14 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge See attached. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:58 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not archive' tag? 3 piece is a bit heavier, but far easier to handle.... Ryan Sent from my mobile device On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Robert Ray wrote: > Are you also a night worker or an early riser? > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray > wrote: > How big is your work shop and work bench? > > Russell > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote: > Howdy All, > > Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or > three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but > searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this > option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly > appreciate it. > > Thanks, > Dallas in NM (newbie) > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:06 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg C. using brakes Hi Dan, I do not land on hard surface. I can only imagine how squirrelly the handling would be. The pad on the tailskid is UHMW polyethylene. It is the same material used as truck bed liners to resist abrasion. It did not hold up to taxiing on aiport ramps and would wear out very quickly. The solution was to braze a couple of carbide machining inserts to the skid at the aft edge. No more problems. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg C. using brakes Greg Cardinal, Do you land at hard surfaced airports with your plane? I noticed your plastic (nylon) pad on the bottom of your skid. Please give us the low-down on landing/taxi on hard surface with your skid. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2009 7:00 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a need for them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to increase drag on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations helps a lot. I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams..... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer slowin down? Lets review the list of needs: parking run up fuel problems on landing fast approach on a short field high approach Reduction of orbit for reentry ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream) pavement rolling forever any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary brake usage ? In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about roll forever on pavement. I=99ve had more problems with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have =98em. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes Thanks guys, all good information in the planning. Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanical vs juic e, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today. The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall. Thanks John 0D safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day! In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes: Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup. I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you? Jack Philllips I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around the pattern before takeoff for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflection one way or the other works fine. 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Thanks Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:24 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing A major advantage to the 3 piece wing is spatial not special. I am building in my basement and there is no way I can find, locate,manufacture or create a clear pan of wall space, floor space or space of any type to accommodate a wing that's 36 feet long and 5 feet wide. My choice was no choice a 3 piece wing in the basement or a 1 piece wing outside in the yard. Pennsylvania is not known for having the friendliest weather or most accommodating neighbors so the 3 piece option was not a choice but a necessity. If you're not plagued by the same constraints then there is a choice option, for me there was none. I suppose I could have made the ultimate choice and built it in the kitchen to the family room following Chucks example, not too sure my wife (the practice one)would have liked it much and more than likely would have chosen for me to move out and live elsewhere.... hmmmmmmmm ! without her? hmmmmmmmmmm still thinking on that one..... John Do not archive In a message dated 10/2/2009 7:25:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rmueller23@gmail.com writes: Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not archive' tag? 3 piece is a bit heavier, but far easier to handle.... Ryan Sent from my mobile device On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Robert Ray <_rray032003@gmail.com_ (mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote: Are you also a night worker or an early riser? On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <_rray032003@gmail.com_ (mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote: How big is your work shop and work bench? Russell On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <_paradox4u2@yahoo.com_ (mailto:paradox4u2@yahoo.com) > wrote: Howdy All, Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Dallas in NM (newbie) " target="_blank">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice From: "Bill Church" Maybe Santiago is just a "belt and suspenders" kind of guy. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice --> Santiago: I'm sure you know this, but since you have cabane brace tubes going forward to the engine mount points, you don't need the X-brace wires on the side, between the cabanes. You could remove them and save some weight. Hermosa, la maquina tuya... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:32 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Do you like gladiator movies? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Are you also a night worker or an early riser? On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray wrote: How big is your work shop and work bench? Russell On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote: Howdy All, Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Dallas in NM (newbie) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan From: helspersew@aol.com Douwe, Please......a report of your progress. I know you are getting close to finishing. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 7:16 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan Hi all, Any suggestions on cutting and drilling Lexan? Thanks Douwe ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:10 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Ray, I work in the basement and if you're really interested I am certain I can send you a picture of the clutter palace. I have a 16 ' bench which occupies almost the entire length of my shop with the wings now hung of stair way and building support post that now forms a coriander from my saw area to the stair way. The good news is its my shop and my well almost all my , well sorta my domain, when I get permission. I have the welder and compressor in the garage and the tig in another location, so I always have a place to work in the evenings. Actually I get most of my work done on weekends and over the Christmas holiday when I take all my vacation then I get a solid 12 to 16 hours to work, Clutter palace airplane works, keys made while you wait, one hour martinizing! John In a message dated 10/2/2009 4:17:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rray032003@gmail.com writes: Are you also a night worker or an early riser? On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray <_rray032003@gmail.com_ (mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote: How big is your work shop and work bench? Russell On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas <_paradox4u2@yahoo.com_ (mailto:paradox4u2@yahoo.com) > wrote: Howdy All, Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Dallas in NM (newbie) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:58 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes The only time I normally use the brakes on N502R is during the run up, the 360 traffic check and the 90 degree "put the tail towards the hanger" maneuver at the end of the flight. I would vote that brakes are very important, unless you only fly off of strips that have little or no other traffic. As a pilot, it is our responsibility to operate as safely as possible at all times. Another reason, even thou most think it'll never happen, is when it comes time to sell. Most buyers will not even consider buying a brakeless airplane. Just my two cents worth Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes No brakes installed on NX18235. In 200 hours I haven't ever felt a need for them. I do the run-up during taxi and use up elevator to increase drag on the skid. Staying alert and knowing the limitations helps a lot. I generally avoid airports that attract Gulfstreams..... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer slowin down? Lets review the list of needs: parking run up fuel problems on landing fast approach on a short field high approach Reduction of orbit for reentry ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream) pavement rolling forever any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary brake usage ? In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about roll forever on pavement. I=99ve had more problems with the brakes than all other problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have =98em. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes Thanks guys, all good information in the planning. Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessary work for no benefit according too the comments of today. The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall. Thanks John safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day! In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes: Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup. I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you? Jack Philllips I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around the pattern before takeoff for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflection one way or the other works fine. 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(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan Douwe, I kept the protective plastic on my Lexan during cutting/fitting as it real ly scratches easily. I used a sabre saw to cut my 1/8" thick Lexan then filed and sanded the edg es to get all the stress riser marks out and simply used regular drill bits to drill the holes. I did debur the holes (on both sides) with a hand-held countersink bit (or larger than your hole-size drill bit if you don't have a countersink handy) like Bingelis suggests for all holes-in 4130, aluminum , or plastics. I cold-bent my windshields to fit my aluminum brackets. I don't think you can heat-form Lexan in an oven but then again memory fades on what Bingelis sez about these things. I know he shows in his books how to heat form Plexiglass but that stuff is a pain in the rectum to work with/ drill, cut. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing From: "Bill Church" John, are you sure it forms a coriander, and not a cilantro. Bill C. Once more, DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Ray, I work in the basement and if you're really interested I am certain I can send you a picture of the clutter palace. I have a 16 ' bench which occupies almost the entire length of my shop with the wings now hung of stair way and building support post that now forms a coriander from my saw area to the stair way. The good news is its my shop and my well almost all my , well sorta my domain, when I get permission. I have the welder and compressor in the garage and the tig in another location, so I always have a place to work in the evenings. Actually I get most of my work done on weekends and over the Christmas holiday when I take all my vacation then I get a solid 12 to 16 hours to work, Clutter palace airplane works, keys made while you wait, one hour martinizing! John ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:46 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop "Have some more saurkraut, Mr Hofmann?" We don't need no stinking archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul N. Peckham Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop Ryan, Sorry about the breach of etiquette, but I figured anytime somebody mentions Blazing Saddles, the campfire scene is the first thing they think of. And come to think of it, I did hear something, and then smelled something awful coming from the west side of the field at Brodhead airport (I was on the east side). Well, enough of that. "Rest your sphincters." Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265996#265996 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:58 AM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing John - 36 foot wing??? From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing A major advantage to the 3 piece wing is spatial not special. I am building in my basement and there is no way I can find=2C locate=2Cmanufacture or cr eate a clear pan of wall space=2C floor space or space of any type to accommodate a wing that's 36 feet long and 5 feet wide. My choice was no choice a 3 piece wing in the basement or a 1 piece wing outside in the yard. Pennsylvania is not kno wn for having the friendliest weather or most accommodating neighbors so the 3 piece option was not a choice but a necessity. If you're not plagued by the same constraints then there is a choice option=2C for me there was none. I suppose I could have made the ultimate choice and built it in the kitchen to the family room following Chucks example=2C not too sure my wife (the pr actice one)would have liked it much and more than likely would have chosen for me to move out and live elsewhere.... hmmmmmmmm ! without her? hmmmmmmmmmm still thinking on that one..... John Do not archive In a message dated 10/2/2009 7:25:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C rmueller23@gmail.com writes: Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not archive' tag? 3 piece is a bit heavier=2C but far easier to handle.... Ryan Sent from my mobile device On Oct 2=2C 2009=2C at 3:14 AM=2C Robert Ray wrote: Are you also a night worker or an early riser? On Fri=2C Oct 2=2C 2009 at 4:13 AM=2C Robert Ray wrote: How big is your work shop and work bench? Russell On Fri=2C Oct 2=2C 2009 at 4:08 AM=2C Dallas wrote: Howdy All=2C Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks=2C Dallas in NM (newbie) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:02 AM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes THANKS--JIM LAGOWSKI Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes > > The camera work isn't as good as Jack's video and there aren't any deer, > but it's still not a bad way to spend 5 minutes of your life: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6ycRzzO20 > > Hope you enjoy, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:05 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: using brakes Looks like we need to add Gas pumps Resale any others? ____________________________________ From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: 10/1/2009 4:54:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes wow dis here brake thing sure am confusing, and the need seems to be growing much furder and furder, I wonder if dey may even be used fer slow in down? Lets review the list of needs: parking run up fuel problems on landing fast approach on a short field high approach Reduction of orbit for reentry ground travel (taxi to hitting the gulfstream) pavement rolling forever any others we can add to the list of limited, unnecessary and auxiliary brake usage ? In a message dated 10/1/2009 4:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes: Well, when you need the brakes, you really NEED them. Like when you are taxiing along and a Gulfstream pulls out in front of you (that $100,000 liability policy you have will almost buy the aileron on a Gulfstream). As Don said, if you put wire wheels on, those things will just about roll foreve r on pavement. I=99ve had more problems with the brakes than all oth er problems put together on my plane, but I still am glad I have =98em . Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafety C@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: using brakes Thanks guys, all good information in the planning. Why so much previous discussion about brakes, cart brakes, hubs, mechanical vs juice, friction if the entire braking need is relegated to taxi, fueling and parking and on a limited basis. seems like a lot of unnecessa ry work for no benefit according too the comments of today. The good news is it takes another issue of concern off the table and allows me more concentration on the important issues like continued un interrupted building, saw dust, engine and firewall. Thanks John safe in the morning and so far, we shall see about the rest of the day! In a message dated 10/1/2009 3:38:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes: Same here as Jack. I only use my brakes when I=99m below 10 mph to facilitate slowing to make a u-turn on the runway or when coming up to the gas pump or inching along for takeoff in line or lastly, on runup. I rarely ever touch my brakes on the runway, except to turn around. Others flying Pietenpols, what about you? Jack Philllips I don=99t even use my brakes when doing a 180 turn or 360 turn to look around the pattern before takeoff for traffic=94the steerable tailwheel with full rudder bar deflecti on one way or the other works fine. 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AS&S sells a special bit for drilling plastics, with a much steeper angle on the cutting faces. I bought one to make my windshields (I used plexiglas, not polycarbonate). It works well. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling lexan Douwe, I kept the protective plastic on my Lexan during cutting/fitting as it really scratches easily. I used a sabre saw to cut my 1/8" thick Lexan then filed and sanded the edges to get all the stress riser marks out and simply used regular drill bits to drill the holes. I did debur the holes (on both sides) with a hand-held countersink bit (or larger than your hole-size drill bit if you don't have a countersink handy) like Bingelis suggests for all holes-in 4130, aluminum, or plastics. I cold-bent my windshields to fit my aluminum brackets. I don't think you can heat-form Lexan in an oven but then again memory fades on what Bingelis sez about these things. I know he shows in his books how to heat form Plexiglass but that stuff is a pain in the rectum to work with/ drill, cut. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:44 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun do not archive I used an ordinary office stapler, and I didn't pound on it, I merely pushed. It even worked on 1/8"ply gussets on the Fuse do not archive On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:52 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > Since you really only want to locate the gusset and have it stay > where you put it go buy a 22 guage pin nailer. The things are > so small you can't see where you put em! You can pop in > lots of the things and won't add more than an ounce to the > entire plane. > > Clif > Starting to build wing rigs, and wanted to know where you can bet > the light duty staple gun I think most use. I believe it takes > conventional office staples used for paper. If you know, please > provide the source, part number, and latest price if known. > > Thanks, > > Mark > Lake City, FL > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > - Release Date: 10/01/09 06:34:00 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:44 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing good point bill, thanks Moving too fast again today. we should chat off list on some engineering issues I am considering John In a message dated 10/2/2009 9:40:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eng@canadianrogers.com writes: John, are you sure it forms a coriander, and not a cilantro. Bill C. Once more, DO NOT ARCHIVE ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Ray, I work in the basement and if you're really interested I am certain I can send you a picture of the clutter palace. I have a 16 ' bench which occupies almost the entire length of my shop with the wings now hung of stair way and building support post that now forms a coriander from my saw area to the stair way. The good news is its my shop and my well almost all my , well sorta my domain, when I get permission. I have the welder and compressor in the garage and the tig in another location, so I always have a place to work in the evenings. Actually I get most of my work done on weekends and over the Christmas holiday when I take all my vacation then I get a solid 12 to 16 hours to work, Clutter palace airplane works, keys made while you wait, one hour martinizing! John (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:16 AM PST US From: "Mark" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I've seen used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office style of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that would be very helpful. Mark Lake City, FL Starting ribs ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:25 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing at Airports with Gulfstreams... That's a great story Don about landing in the grass at Auburn, IN. After I landed at Goshen, IN in 2005 a big business jet taxied up (I don't recall the type) and as I was getting fuel only two pilots came out of the jet and they came right over to the Pietenpol and were asking all kinds of questions. Turns out they were there to pickup the owners of the Indian apolis Colts to take them home from some B&B they were staying at near Goshen. Here I wanted to go see the jet and these two corporate pilots wanted to see the Piet ! Mike C. PS-- here's the Piet at Romeoville, IL Lewis U. Airport when I got weathered in enroute to Brodhead Friday night. That's a Falcon jet of some sort in the background. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:13 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics Jack is right about the special drill bits you can purchase for cutting Ple xiglas and in Tony's books he shows you how to grind a regular drill bit so that it doesn't catch or snag when used on Plexiglas. With Lexan you'll never hear or see that painful, sudden crack or break in your work piece when cutting or drilling but Lexan is more easily scratched than Plexiglas. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:31 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Have you ever seen a grown man naked? Please do not archive Sent from my mobile device On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:32 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Do you like gladiator movies? > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down) > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:14 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing > > Are you also a night worker or an early riser? > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray > wrote: > How big is your work shop and work bench? > > Russell > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote: > Howdy All, > > Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or > three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but > searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this > option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly > appreciate it. > > Thanks, > Dallas in NM (newbie) > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:32 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics Lexan is also very prone to stress-cracking when exposed to aggressive chemicals (such as gasoline). If using Lexan for windshields be very careful to not spill any gasoline on them, particularly if they are under stress (like being bent into a curve and held there by brackets). Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics Jack is right about the special drill bits you can purchase for cutting Plexiglas and in Tony's books he shows you how to grind a regular drill bit so that it doesn't catch or snag when used on Plexiglas. With Lexan you'll never hear or see that painful, sudden crack or break in your work piece when cutting or drilling but Lexan is more easily scratched than Plexiglas. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:53 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing not really more like 33 feet overall with 3 feet to move around it at one end In a message dated 10/2/2009 9:42:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tmbrant@msn.com writes: John - 36 foot wing??? ____________________________________ From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing A major advantage to the 3 piece wing is spatial not special. I am building in my basement and there is no way I can find, locate,manufacture or create a clear pan of wall space, floor space or space of any type to accommodate a wing that's 36 feet long and 5 feet wide. My choice was no choice a 3 piece wing in the basement or a 1 piece wing outside in the yard. Pennsylvania is not known for having the friendliest weather or most accommodating neighbors so the 3 piece option was not a choice but a necessity. If you're not plagued by the same constraints then there is a choice option, for me there was none. I suppose I could have made the ultimate choice and built it in the kitchen to the family room following Chucks example, not too sure my wife (the practice one)would have liked it much and more than likely would have chosen for me to move out and live elsewhere.... hmmmmmmmm ! without her? hmmmmmmmmmm still thinking on that one..... John Do not archive In a message dated 10/2/2009 7:25:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rmueller23@gmail.com writes: Are you someone that understands the reason for and value of the 'do not archive' tag? 3 piece is a bit heavier, but far easier to handle.... Ryan Sent from my mobile device On Oct 2, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Robert Ray <_rray032003@gmail.com_ (mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote: Are you also a night worker or an early riser? On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray < (mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) _rray032003@gmail.com_ (mailto:rray032003@gmail.com) > wrote: How big is your work shop and work bench? Russell On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas < (mailto:paradox4u2@yahoo.com) _paradox4u2@yahoo.com_ (mailto:paradox4u2@yahoo.com) > wrote: Howdy All, Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. 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John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Oct 2, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > > > > "Have some more saurkraut, Mr Hofmann?" > > > We don't need no stinking archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul > N. > Peckham > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:31 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop > > > > Ryan, > > Sorry about the breach of etiquette, but I figured anytime somebody > mentions > Blazing Saddles, the campfire scene is the first thing they think > of. And > come to think of it, I did hear something, and then smelled > something awful > coming from the west side of the field at Brodhead airport (I was on > the > east side). Well, enough of that. "Rest your sphincters." > > > Paul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265996#265996 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:30 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico Well, there goes any plan of ever flying 41CC down to Guadalajara, Mexico. They just passed a reg requiring the new UHF ELTs (406mHz) and I'm going to resist installing one of those for as long as I can. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics From: "Bill Church" Recently, I was talking to a Piet owner, who had just replaced his front windshield with Plexiglass. Previously, both windshields (front and back) were made of Lexan (with bends), and he has had to replace the front windshield several times, since it would crack whenever gas happened to accidentally get splashed on it. With the Plexi, no cracking. The Plexiglass turns a bit cloudy, or hazy for a while, but goes back to being clear when the gas evaporates. He left the rear windshield Lexan, since it never sees any gas. This is on a Piet with a fuel tank in the nose, so the liklihood of getting fuel on the front windshield is greater. Bill C. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics Lexan is also very prone to stress-cracking when exposed to aggressive chemicals (such as gasoline). If using Lexan for windshields be very careful to not spill any gasoline on them, particularly if they are under stress (like being bent into a curve and held there by brackets). Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cutting/drilling clear plastics Jack is right about the special drill bits you can purchase for cutting Plexiglas and in Tony's books he shows you how to grind a regular drill bit so that it doesn't catch or snag when used on Plexiglas. With Lexan you'll never hear or see that painful, sudden crack or break in your work piece when cutting or drilling but Lexan is more easily scratched than Plexiglas. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun From: Matt Redmond I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and they are nearly invisible. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark wrote: > Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I=92ve see n > used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office sty le > of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. th at > would be very helpful. > > > Mark > > Lake City, FL > > Starting ribs > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:44 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: avgas and Lexan I've spilled avgas on my front windshield many times and have never had to replace it. There have been zero adverse effects from avgas when splashed on Lexan, at least in my 11 years of flying with that windshield. I did have to replace the rear windshield once where it appeared to me that the stress of the bending eventually promoted stress fractures radiating from around the bracket and at the edge of the rounded corner at the two bottom corners of the windshield. At the end of one fl ying season one of the micro fractures turned into a crack about an inch long so I used the drill-stop m ethod to keep it from propagating and then replaced the rear windshield the next Spring. Mike C. There are PPP's Pietenpol Plexiglas Proponents and then there are PLP's, Pietenpol Lexan Proponents. The PLP's are generally more handsome and get more women than the PPP's. It's a proven fact:) ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun From: Ryan Mueller I can tell you how to get one that works. Take a ten dollar bill to your local Home Depot and exchange it for an Easy Shot staple gun. It's light duty, shoots staples, and works just fine for rib gussets. If you can't fin d a Home Depot, or have some aversion to that brand, then go to any big box home improvement or hardware store and ask them to lead you to a light duty staple gun. If you absolutely HAVE to have the exact same kind that they us e at OSH, then you're being too anal retentive about it. Just get one and get building! :) Ryan On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark wrote: > Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I=92ve see n > used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office sty le > of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. th at > would be very helpful. > > > Mark > > Lake City, FL > > Starting ribs > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 5 minutes From: "K5YAC" Awesome! I can't wait. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266074#266074 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:46 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Ryan Mueller wrote: > Just to clarify, that gent in the rear cockpit made of fast-twitch > muscle would be Mr. Dan Yocum; doing all the work too! You noticed that, too? I'm going to claim that 55 degrees gets darn cold at 75 mph - all the twitching was due to me shivering. Brrr. > > Thanks for sharing Dan, excellent vid. How many more hours til your freed? > I've got 7.5 with my CFI, so 2.5 more dual, then 10 solo before you and Jesse get to ride along (not at the same time, of course). Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:18 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico I didn't think you needed an ELT during solo flight. (of course the FAR's are certainly not my strong suit. do not archive PS-- I've never had an ELT from day one. The FAA inspector never said a word about it. Someone will see the black smoke. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:51 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > > > Excellent video Dan and nice, nice smooth landing at Dacy. That is one nice grass airport. Landed there for gas one year enroute to Wisconsin. > > Thanks for sharing that video. You fly lower than Jack P. and I did under a lowering cloud deck enroute to Dodge Co. Juneau, WI after Brodhead. > Must not be any cell phone towers around there. Yeah, I like 1000' feet or so too, but man, it was *cold* that day. 100-200' more and you could feel the temperature drop. We were definitely over sparsely populated areas with lots of bean fields (read as, landing spots), so I took the 500' minimum altitude requirement to heart. I just hope it warms up enough in the next couple of weeks so I can finish off the dual required by the insurance man. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:18 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar splice Gracias Oscar! - No Bill, I'm not a "belt and suspenders" guy- :o ) The X-brace wires are in place temporarily,-it's very easy to move-the wing fore and aft-using the wires and then you can make or adjust the dia gonals to the required lenght Saludos - Santiago -=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo ! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:18 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes mike wrote: > > There used to be a lot more bugs in northern Illinois, didn't there? Didn't you see them splattered all over the front windscreen? Yeah, I need to clean it... One last comment about the flight and I'll shaddap about the whole thing. I've got an iPhone and bought a $2.99 GPS app called MotionX GPS. Right after we took off I started the timer and it recorded our track. The software has the ability to email your track and current position to up to 5 people at the push of a button. I emailed the track to myself and in the email sent it provides a link to a track drawn on google maps. Here's the link to the track: http://tinyurl.com/ydty875 The software has support for waypoints, cached maps from openstreetmap.org, a compass, taking and attaching photos to the track, etc. It's a pretty cool add-on for $2.99. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:06 AM PST US From: "mike" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes I figured that your windscreen took out most of the remaining insect population and your wings probably had some biological vortex generators attached. Ah, the joys of low and slow. BTW, that is a cool iPhone app. I just now bought it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes mike wrote: > > There used to be a lot more bugs in northern Illinois, didn't there? Didn't you see them splattered all over the front windscreen? Yeah, I need to clean it... One last comment about the flight and I'll shaddap about the whole thing. I've got an iPhone and bought a $2.99 GPS app called MotionX GPS. Right after we took off I started the timer and it recorded our track. The software has the ability to email your track and current position to up to 5 people at the push of a button. I emailed the track to myself and in the email sent it provides a link to a track drawn on google maps. Here's the link to the track: http://tinyurl.com/ydty875 The software has support for waypoints, cached maps from openstreetmap.org, a compass, taking and attaching photos to the track, etc. It's a pretty cool add-on for $2.99. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun From: "Bill Church" Okay, $9.97. How's that? (be careful what you ask for) ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that would be very helpful. Mark Lake City, FL Starting ribs ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:08 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: iphone app gps Very cool Dan ! All the way up to Poplar Grove you went. Being iPhone illiterate, would something like that be $2.99 once or is that $2.99/ mo. onto your bill ? Just think how many wives could track their husbands whereabouts with THAT app ! Then again it sounded like you had to intentionally send your update/ track to certain e-mail accounts. Mike C. do not archive PS- the flight track wasn't taken on the flight/ trip to Dacy though correct ? ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:24 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing choices My reasoning for using the 3 piece wing: You can move everything, during every phase of wing building by yourself. Scarf joints don't look like any fun at all. You can pre-assemble for rigging, strut measurements, etc before covering b y yourself-I did it. If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you o nly have to fix one wing panel. The additional weight of a 3 piece wing has been exaggerated from time to t ime-you can still build a nice, light plane using a 3 pce wing. You can build a 3 pce wing Piet in a single car garage. Steve Eldredge fro m Utah is a prime example. I also had just a 1 car garage but used the living room to build the wings because it was nice and warm in the re and it was close to the remote, chips, and fridge. You can add dihedral to a 3 pce wing easier than you can a 1 pce wing. Th ere is no stress imparted to the spars when putting dihedral into a 3 pce w ing. You can use a 1987 Honda CRX Si to move your wing panels to the airport for painting, assembly, back to the house until spring, or just take them for ice cream. Makes life easier when routing things like aileron cables, pitot-static pol y tubing, and covering. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: avgas and Lexan From: "Don Emch" Wow... I didn't realize this... It looks like I need to convert to PLP... Don E. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266113#266113 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing From: helspersew@aol.com If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you only have to fix one wing panel. This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at OSH, because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering tailwind, and I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing panels home? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing From: helspersew@aol.com Correction. I meant to say "that wing panel" -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 3:45 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you only have to fix one wing panel. ? This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at OSH, because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering tailwind, and I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing panels home? ? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:32 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing You mean.. after the FAA closes the airport, grounds you, conducts a 2-hr investigation, and suffers you to water-boarding to find the real truth? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you only have to fix one wing panel. This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at OSH, because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering tailwind, and I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing panels home? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing From: Ryan Mueller Sorry, I meant circular saw, not axe. My bad.... On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > When Del delivered our Piet project (with a one piece wing) to us he drove > it down from up near Minneapolis on a full size car trailer, towing it with > his Suburban. He had built a rack, or scaffolding if you will, out of 2x4's > and had the wing running lengthwise on that, with the fuselage underneath. > If I recall it still hung over the back of the trailer a bit. With a covered > wing you could probably cradle it vertically (i.e. leading edge down) > running the length of a trailer with the fuselage next to it. > > Thankfully we don't have to worry about that because I took an axe and cut > it in half. Fab a center section and we have a three piece wing. > > Ryan > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM, wrote: > >> If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you >> only have to fix one wing panel. >> >> This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at >> OSH, because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering >> tailwind, and I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing >> panels home? >> >> Dan Helsper >> Poplar Grove, IL. >> > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing From: Ryan Mueller When Del delivered our Piet project (with a one piece wing) to us he drove it down from up near Minneapolis on a full size car trailer, towing it with his Suburban. He had built a rack, or scaffolding if you will, out of 2x4's and had the wing running lengthwise on that, with the fuselage underneath. If I recall it still hung over the back of the trailer a bit. With a covered wing you could probably cradle it vertically (i.e. leading edge down) running the length of a trailer with the fuselage next to it. Thankfully we don't have to worry about that because I took an axe and cut it in half. Fab a center section and we have a three piece wing. Ryan On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM, wrote: > If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you > only have to fix one wing panel. > > This kind of haunts me. Think about it. If I had an accident, let's say at > OSH, because those morons made me land on the asphalt in a quartering > tailwind, and I splintered-up the airplane, how would I get those wing > panels home? > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing From: Ryan Mueller Quoth the Fed: "A monoplane. Are you telling me you built me an airplane with only one wing?" And poof goes the ticket! Ryan do not archive On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > You mean=85. after the FAA closes the airport, grounds you, conducts a 2 -hr > investigation, and suffers you to water-boarding to find the real truth? > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down=85) > > Do not archive > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:53 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iphone app gps Hi Mike, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > > Very cool Dan ! All the way up to Poplar Grove you went. And right over Dan Helsper's house - nope, I didn't see his Piet out on the apron. > > Being iPhone illiterate, would something like that be $2.99 once or > is that $2.99/ mo. onto your bill ? That's a one time shot of $2.99. Some apps have monthly service fees - there's one for FAA sectionals that I can't recall atm... > > Just think how many wives could track their husbands whereabouts with THAT > app ! > > Then again it sounded like you had to intentionally send your update/ track > to certain e-mail accounts. Yep. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > PS- the flight track wasn't taken on the flight/ trip to Dacy though correct ? Yeah, that track goes through Dacy - that's the top right corner of the triangle. -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:04 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One-piece wing "The biplane's as dead as a Dodo." Do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Oct 2, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Quoth the Fed: "A monoplane. Are you telling me you built me an > airplane with only one wing?" > > And poof goes the ticket! > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Gary Boothe > wrote: > You mean=85. after the FAA closes the airport, grounds you, conducts a > 2-hr investigation, and suffers you to water-boarding to find the > real truth? > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down=85) > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Tip Bows From: "K5YAC" I have several pieces of 1-1/8" x 1/4" white pine. Any reason I shouldn't laminate these and use them for my wing tip bows? Perhaps I can glass them to make them a bit more durable? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266134#266134 ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: iphone app gps From: Ryan Mueller As Dan said, Dacy is up near the peak of the track to the north. If you start at the peak and come down the right side you can see a short section with a thicker double width line just south of Airport Rd. That would be Dan's landing, taxi back, and takeoff on 14/32 at Dacy. BTW, Dacy has a simple website, I just discovered. There's a short history, and a few neat photos of Dacy over the years: http://www.dacyairport.com/ Ryan On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > PS- the flight track wasn't taken on the flight/ trip to Dacy though > correct ? > > Yeah, that track goes through Dacy - that's the top right corner of the > triangle. > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows From: "Don Emch" You could, but just remember that is a structural part. It acts as a compression strut. There is a fairly good compression load on it. I probably wouldn't but then if I knew wood better, maybe I would. You really do get a warm and fuzzy feeling when the plane is racking around while flying through turbulence and you know you didn't skimp on materials. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266136#266136 ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:08 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator trim system I would also like to know more about the various elevator trim systems in place other then trim tabs. I have seen Mike Cuy's setup, anyone else have something? ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:10 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: avgas and Lexan My 2 cents worth . . . my windshields on the Travel Air are plexiglass. I replace them every few years. Once I tried lexan. Only a week or so old, I spilled avgas on one and it shattered like glass. Never again. Plexiglass every 4-5 years now. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: avgas and Lexan I've spilled avgas on my front windshield many times and have never had to replace it. There have been zero adverse effects from avgas when splashed on Lexan, at least in my 11 years of flying with that windshield. I did have to replace the rear windshield once where it appeared to me that the stress of the bending eventually promoted stress fractures radiating from around the bracket and at the edge of the rounded corner at the two bottom corners of the windshield. At the end of one flying season one of the micro fractures turned into a crack about an inch long so I used the drill-stop method to keep it from propagating and then replaced the rear windshield the next Spring. Mike C. There are PPP's Pietenpol Plexiglas Proponents and then there are PLP's, Pietenpol Lexan Proponents. The PLP's are generally more handsome and get more women than the PPP's. It's a proven factJ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:41 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Redmond To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and they are nearly invisible. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark > wrote: Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I=92ve seen used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office style of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that would be very helpful. Mark Lake City, FL Starting ribs " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:49 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator I am interested in those who may have installed a push/pull tube setup from the stick to the elevator bell crank. Pictures are best, but if anyone knows who has done this and how it is done, I would appreciate some pointers. ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun From: Matt Redmond Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as well. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there! > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Redmond > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun > I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They > don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I > wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and > they are nearly invisible. > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark wrote: >> >> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that Ive seen >> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office style >> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that >> would be very helpful. >> >> Mark >> >> Lake City, FL >> >> Starting ribs >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Tip Bows From: helspersew@aol.com Yes you can use these. That's what?I did. Pre-bent them (steamed) to the shape of the center line of a rib, then glued in a jig. Very strong. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: K5YAC Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 4:43 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Tip Bows I have several pieces of 1-1/8" x 1/4" white pine. Any reason I shouldn't laminate these and use them for my wing tip bows? Perhaps I can glass them to make them a bit more durable? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266134#266134 ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:16 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator You will need to make an intermediate pivot point just behind the seat. Check out Gary Boothe's pictures on www.westcoastpiet.com and see how he did it. Very nicely done. Just make sure you don't change the control travel geometry. Nothing wrong with cables and pulleys per the plans but the push/pull tube will clean up the cockpit nicely. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator I am interested in those who may have installed a push/pull tube setup from the stick to the elevator bell crank. Pictures are best, but if anyone knows who has done this and how it is done, I would appreciate some pointers. ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:32 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: leading edge I KNOW this has been discussed, but a search of the archives does not turn up an answer to my exact question. I am ready to install the plywood on my leading edge. (OK, let's get terminology out of the way here. The very front piece I am calling the "nose piece." That, together with the plywood on the top side back to the spar forms the "leading edge." On the top of the spar between the ribs are the "filler strips") Since the plans don't specify, I made the filler strips 1/2" wide and glued them flush with the front face of the spar (for several reasons that I won't go into here) Because they follow the curve of the top capstrip, they are about 3/8" tall at the rear. OK, the plans say for the plywood to be 9" wide. Even overlapping the ply over the nose piece 1/2", the ply goes about 3/4" beyond the back of the filler strip. I don't have a problem with that, it probably helps fair the fabric in, but I was wondering what most of you do. Do any of you cut the ply to end at the back of the filler strip? Seems like that would make the edge pretty sharp for the fabric to follow. The next question is the sequence of glueing it on. I am planning on using nail strips to hold it down to the nose piece. Just wondering whether to glue/nail to the spar filler first and then bend down, or the other way around, or am I worrying too much?? All this being said, I just found a place in Mass where I bought my 1/16" okume plywood. The 4x8 sheet was $27, the first two cuts were free. Cutting it into 9" pieces took 5 cuts, so for around $30 plus shipping, I had my leading edge material. Can't think of the name now, but contact me offline and I can give it to anyone who is interested. Gene ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:22 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge Oh, and another thing, for what it is worth, I looked for banister material too, but that stuff is expensive!!!!!! I bought a 16' fir 2x4 at a local building supply place and ripped it in half leaving 2 pieces 1 1/2 by 1 3/4 (almost, just shy of 3/4). Ripped them to 1" by 1 3/4 and made the two cuts to approximate the curve, minimal planing required. Total cost, $30. Gene ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:47 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun ya know, I really don't know. I HAVE seen old wings (Stearman, etc) where the steel nails have rusted and it does make a mess as they swell, etc, when they rust. Don't know whether it really hurts anything. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Redmond To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun > Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as well. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo > wrote: > just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there! > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Redmond > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun > I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They > don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I > wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and > they are nearly invisible. > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark > wrote: >> >> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I=92ve seen >> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office style >> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that >> would be very helpful. >> >> Mark >> >> Lake City, FL >> >> Starting ribs >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun From: Matt Redmond And... I forgot: You can buy stainless pins. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > ya know, I really don't know. I HAVE seen old wings (Stearman, etc)where > the steel nails have rusted and it does make a mess as they swell, etc, when > they rust. Don't know whether it really hurts anything. > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Redmond > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun > > Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them > to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as > well. > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: >> just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there! >> >> Gene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Matt Redmond >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun >> I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They >> don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I >> wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and >> they are nearly invisible. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark wrote: >>> >>> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that Ive seen >>> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office >>> style >>> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. >>> that >>> would be very helpful. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> Lake City, FL >>> >>> Starting ribs >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ttp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chttp://www.matnbsp; >> via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; > title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:31 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: leading edge Gene, Do not install the filler strips on top of the spar between the ribs. It will produce a sharp transition when the fabric is pulled tight. This needs to be a smooth transition where the plywood ends. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: leading edge I KNOW this has been discussed, but a search of the archives does not turn up an answer to my exact question. I am ready to install the plywood on my leading edge. (OK, let's get terminology out of the way here. The very front piece I am calling the "nose piece." That, together with the plywood on the top side back to the spar forms the "leading edge." On the top of the spar between the ribs are the "filler strips") Since the plans don't specify, I made the filler strips 1/2" wide and glued them flush with the front face of the spar (for several reasons that I won't go into here) Because they follow the curve of the top capstrip, they are about 3/8" tall at the rear. OK, the plans say for the plywood to be 9" wide. Even overlapping the ply over the nose piece 1/2", the ply goes about 3/4" beyond the back of the filler strip. I don't have a problem with that, it probably helps fair the fabric in, but I was wondering what most of you do. Do any of you cut the ply to end at the back of the filler strip? Seems like that would make the edge pretty sharp for the fabric to follow. The next question is the sequence of glueing it on. I am planning on using nail strips to hold it down to the nose piece. Just wondering whether to glue/nail to the spar filler first and then bend down, or the other way around, or am I worrying too much?? All this being said, I just found a place in Mass where I bought my 1/16" okume plywood. The 4x8 sheet was $27, the first two cuts were free. Cutting it into 9" pieces took 5 cuts, so for around $30 plus shipping, I had my leading edge material. Can't think of the name now, but contact me offline and I can give it to anyone who is interested. Gene ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:43 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun There is internal moisture in the spruce and the plywood, plus oxygen. You can seal it all you want and it will still rust and cause damage to the wood. If you are not going to pull out the fasteners, they must be coated aircraft nails. What I did was to use a light duty Stanley staple gun, model TR45. Used No. 3 light duty staples, both 1/4 and 5/16 inch. Once the parts have cured, used a small end nipper, nail puller to remove the staples. Ricks S. > [Original Message] > From: Matt Redmond > To: > Date: 10/2/2009 4:24:22 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun > > > Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them > to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as > well. > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > > just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there! > > > > Gene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Matt Redmond > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun > > I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They > > don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I > > wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and > > they are nearly invisible. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark wrote: > >> > >> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that Ive seen > >> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office style > >> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that > >> would be very helpful. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> Lake City, FL > >> > >> Starting ribs > >> > >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >> ttp://forums.matronics.com > >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 72 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:03 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: don't worry Dan from Poplar Grove You know Dan you mention if you're at Oshkosh and the controllers made you land on the asphalt in a quartering taiwind....is a valid point. I will give EAA credit on the issue of the Showcase Event/ Homebuilt Review in that during the flight briefing the Air Boss told us that if we were not comfortable with the runway in use at the time of landing that we could request the other runway and he would do everything he could to accommodate us. I saw what a difficult time your friend from Poplar Grove had landing into that really gusty 45 degree crosswind in his beautiful red (Junior Ace ?) Ace high wing but his alternative was to ask for the other runway which was also exactly 45 degrees into the crosswind. This Oshkosh presented some gusty, odd wind patterns (but nice cool temperatures) and it was challenging, even for the best of the best of us to handle them-- and I'm talking of our own Lowell Frank who I would let my first wife, current wife, first born, second born, third born, and relatives fly with anyday. You take yer chances. Keep going Dan-- you're going to be an award winner next summer when you take your pretty Ford Piet into Oshkosh. Ask em' for the ultralight runway like Greg Cardinal did or just land in the grass next to the assigned runway...what can they do ? Andrew King and Frank Pavliga have done that on numerous landings and nobody called them on it. If you need the grass, use it. Mike C Ohio ________________________________ Message 73 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:23 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun I have found that a common screwdriver, bent and filed to a shallow chisel end, is a great staple-removing aid. The bent end acts like a mini nail-puller, you can rock it on the gusset and get some leverage. David Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schreiber" Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun > > > There is internal moisture in the spruce and the plywood, plus oxygen. You > can seal it all you want and it will still rust and cause damage to the > wood. If you are not going to pull out the fasteners, they must be coated > aircraft nails. > > What I did was to use a light duty Stanley staple gun, model TR45. Used > No. > 3 light duty staples, both 1/4 and 5/16 inch. Once the parts have cured, > used a small end nipper, nail puller to remove the staples. > > Ricks S. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Matt Redmond >> To: >> Date: 10/2/2009 4:24:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun >> >> >> Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them >> to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as >> well. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: >> > just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there! >> > >> > Gene >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Matt Redmond >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM >> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun >> > I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They >> > don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things > together. I >> > wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most > and >> > they are nearly invisible. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark wrote: >> >> >> >> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I've >> >> seen >> >> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office > style >> >> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. > that >> >> would be very helpful. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> Lake City, FL >> >> >> >> Starting ribs >> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > >> > >> > title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic > s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 74 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:30 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Dan; excellent video. It really captures the essence of a typical Piet flight, or at least part of it. I notice that at least one of your lift struts has a splice in it. I also notice that your airplane wants to make carb ice as readily as mine does ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 75 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:15 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dacy, wingwalker etc... Hey Ryan-- thanks for helping me see Dan's landing/taxiback/ takeoff at Dacy Field. What a great airport that is. It felt like I landed at an airport from the 1950's when I went in to pay my bill for fuel. I loved it. Don't know if it is still the same but it was fun when I was there. Dave Dacy was kind of gruff but nice. My kind of airport. Okay Dan-- now let's see some video of your lousy landings. Actually I'm hoping to fly some rides here in October and my biggest request via intercom is that the passenger shifts to the right side of the seat so I can see down the runway during flare and roundout. Most times the passenger hears "duck down under the floor so I can see better" but in reality all it does to help me is for the passenger to slide to one side L or R so I can see down the middle a bit better. Mike ________________________________ Message 76 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:29 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing choices I like the reasoning for building in the living room. You obviously weren' t married at the time. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing choices My reasoning for using the 3 piece wing: You can move everything=2C during every phase of wing building by yourself. Scarf joints don=92t look like any fun at all. You can pre-assemble for rigging=2C strut measurements=2C etc before coveri ng by yourself=97I did it. If you groundloop and smash one wing into the ground and break a spar you o nly have to fix one wing panel. The additional weight of a 3 piece wing has been exaggerated from time to t ime=97you can still build a nice=2C light plane using a 3 pce wing. You can build a 3 pce wing Piet in a single car garage. Steve Eldredge fro m Utah is a prime example. I also had just a 1 car garage but used the living room to build the wings because it was nice and warm in the re and it was close to the remote=2C chips=2C and fridge. You can add dihedral to a 3 pce wing easier than you can a 1 pce wing. Th ere is no stress imparted to the spars when putting dihedral into a 3 pce w ing. You can use a 1987 Honda CRX Si to move your wing panels to the airport for painting=2C assembly=2C back to the house until spring=2C or just take the m for ice cream. Makes life easier when routing things like aileron cables=2C pitot-static p oly tubing=2C and covering. =0A _________________________________________________________________=0A Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.=0A ________________________________ Message 77 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:23 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dacy, wingwalker etc... Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Okay Dan-- now let's see some video of your lousy landings. Actually I'm hoping to fly some rides here in October and my biggest request via intercom > is that the passenger shifts to the right side of the seat so I can see down the runway during flare and roundout. N8031's got a big, long, high up nose (it matches it's owner). The thrustline has got to be a bit different than your Piet. Anyway, when I get down to the round-out and flare I completely de-focus my eyes and concentrate on my peripheral vision and keep her straight until I feel the bump/bounce and then just keep dancing on the pedals and brakes until I can turn off. I was quite happy with that flight on Thursday, and all but the last landing were right on the money. No bumps, no bounces, just a nice soft rumble. The last one, I caught some turbulence off the road traffic and bounced it a little, but not too bad. We'll see how well I do without the ballast in the front seat... Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive ________________________________ Message 78 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:57 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes oscar es pero que continues tanbien y disfrutando tus vuelos con tu piet yo estoy casi terminando toda la seccion de la cola y boy ha empesar algunas partes de metal para los horns y attach for cables te agradeseria mucho si me pudieras dar una idea mejor ge como construir una vercion mejor dela pal anca de aselerador del gas (turttel) asselerator ho algo asi estas son algu nas fotos gracias de nuevo jorge from hanford- y espero cuando my piet es te listo para volar poder bisitar ha todoes ustedes tanks bery mauchs --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote: From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Dan; excellent video.- It really captures the essence of a typical Piet flight, or at least part of it. I notice that at least one of your lift struts has a splice in it.- I also notice that your airplane wants to make carb ice as readily as mine does ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- -------- ------ --- - le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 79 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:37 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge estas con sigiendo una piesa de museo muchas felicidades es ta precioso tu avion ojala el mio se biera igual saludos from hanford jorge --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Michael Perez wrote: From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Leading Edge See attached. ________________________________ Message 80 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:25 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: landings with passengers in the front seat Good approach Dan-- that is what I normally do-- just use the peripheral image from either side of the fuselage to flare with a passenger. The time I like to have the passenger shift right or left is during final but again as you said, need not be done. Nice job feeling for the terra-firma !!! That's not an easy thing to do as runway widths vary, slopes, little hills and dips can mess with you in those final few inches before touchdown but that's what makes it so challenging and fun. If I have a bad landing with a passenger I just tell them that "someday I'm going to actually get my pilot license !" Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 81 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:33 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun These pins are so tiny any rusting will be insignificant. Remember, the ribs are, like everything else in the plane, overbuilt. We're not looking for any strength, just location. Even on a flat surface the gussets will slide and creep by themselves sometimes. Clif----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun ya know, I really don't know. I HAVE seen old wings (Stearman, etc) where the steel nails have rusted and it does make a mess as they swell, etc, when they rust. Don't know whether it really hurts anything. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Redmond To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun Think it'll hurt anything? I imagine it'll take many years for them to rust. They are coated with something and will be varnished over as well. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > just remember, those itty bitty pins WILL rust down in there! > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Redmond > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Staple Gun > I've got a 23 gauge pin nailer - shoots itty bitty headless pins. They > don't provide much clamping pressure but certainly hold things together. I > wonder if they could be used? 2000 pins weigh a couple ounces at most and > they are nearly invisible. > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Mark wrote: >> >> Can someone tell me how to get the light duty staple gun that I=92ve seen >> used at OSH to build the ribs? I think it was shooting common office style >> of staples. If you can provide a model number, source, and/or price.. that >> would be very helpful. >> >> Mark >> >> Lake City, FL >> >> Starting ribs >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10/02/09 18:24:00 ________________________________ Message 82 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:02 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing From: "Bill Church" "Have you ever seen a grown man, naked?" Now, this is where DO NOT ARCHIVE comes into play. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Do you like gladiator movies? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down...) ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Are you also a night worker or an early riser? On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray wrote: How big is your work shop and work bench? Russell On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote: Howdy All, Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three piece. I have started the ribs which are going well but searching around I just have'nt been able to get any info on this option. If anyone could shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Dallas in NM (newbie) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 83 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing From: Ryan Mueller At least it's Airplane! related.... do not archive On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Bill Church wrote: > "Have you ever seen a grown man, naked?" > > > Now, this is where DO NOT ARCHIVE comes into play. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Boothe > *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2009 8:33 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing > > Do you like gladiator movies? > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Ray > *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2009 1:14 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing > > > Are you also a night worker or an early riser? > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Robert Ray wrote: > > How big is your work shop and work bench? > > > Russell > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Dallas wrote: > > Howdy All, > > > Just can't decide on whether or not to build a one piece wing or three > piece. 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