---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/03/09: 49 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:22 AM - Leading edge fillerstrips (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:04 AM - Winter flying (Gene & Tammy) 3. 05:22 AM - off topic- but related- Wright replica crash in Dayton (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 05:25 AM - Re: leading edge (tkreiner) 5. 06:22 AM - Re: 5 minutes (ALAN LYSCARS) 6. 06:27 AM - Re: Leading edge fillerstrips (Gene Rambo) 7. 06:41 AM - Re: leading edge (Gene Rambo) 8. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: leading edge (Gene Rambo) 9. 06:53 AM - Re: Leading edge fillerstrips (Michael Perez) 10. 07:16 AM - Re: Push/Pull on elevator (Michael Perez) 11. 07:20 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum) 12. 07:42 AM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum) 13. 07:43 AM - Re: Push/Pull on elevator (Peter W Johnson) 14. 07:55 AM - Re: avgas and Lexan (H RULE) 15. 08:04 AM - Re: Winter flying (Don Emch) 16. 08:13 AM - Re: reinforced "end" ribs (Robert Ray) 17. 08:42 AM - One vs Three piece wing (Oscar Zuniga) 18. 08:52 AM - Push/Pull on elevator (Oscar Zuniga) 19. 08:53 AM - 5 minutes (Oscar Zuniga) 20. 08:55 AM - Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico (Oscar Zuniga) 21. 09:14 AM - Re: reinforced "end" ribs (Bill Church) 22. 09:14 AM - Re: Leading edge fillerstrips (gcardinal) 23. 09:15 AM - translating Jorge's post- #1 (Oscar Zuniga) 24. 09:21 AM - Re: off topic- but related- Wright replica crash in Dayton (K5YAC) 25. 09:24 AM - translating Jorge's post- #2 (Oscar Zuniga) 26. 09:26 AM - 3-piece wing fairings (Gary Boothe) 27. 09:37 AM - Re: Push/Pull on elevator (Thomas Bernie) 28. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Winter flying (Gene & Tammy) 29. 10:04 AM - Re: One vs Three piece wing (Lagowski Morrow) 30. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Winter flying (Jim Markle) 31. 11:33 AM - Re: Winter flying (K5YAC) 32. 12:10 PM - Re: 5 minutes (Dan Yocum) 33. 12:54 PM - Re: landings with passengers in the front seat (Tim Willis) 34. 01:28 PM - Re: 5 minutes (David Paule) 35. 02:53 PM - Re: Winter flying (Graham Hansen) 36. 02:55 PM - Re: Push/Pull on elevator (Michael Perez) 37. 03:04 PM - Re: Push/Pull on elevator (Michael Perez) 38. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Winter flying (H RULE) 39. 04:14 PM - 5 minutes (Oscar Zuniga) 40. 05:44 PM - Re: Winter flying (Gary Boothe) 41. 06:38 PM - Thickness of spar? (stephen labash) 42. 07:22 PM - Re: translating Jorge's post- #1 (ALAN LYSCARS) 43. 07:29 PM - Re: Winter flying (Don Emch) 44. 07:35 PM - Re: Thickness of spar? (Bill Church) 45. 07:49 PM - emergency runways (Clif Dawson) 46. 08:22 PM - Re: emergency runways (Matt Redmond) 47. 08:42 PM - Re: Push/Pull on elevator (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 48. 11:12 PM - Re: translating Jorge's post- #1 (jorge lizarraga) 49. 11:23 PM - Re: Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico warning (jorge lizarraga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge fillerstrips From: helspersew@aol.com Gene, The filler strips that you mention...that's what I did.? Later I read that a few of the fellows said not to do this, because of what Greg C. said. I contemplated cutting it away, but after much contemplation decided to leave them. So we shall see if this was a mistake or not when it flies. I was really unsure which way to go. Any flight reports out there?to substantiate? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:10 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Winter flying Good morning Pieters. I've spent most of my life where cold weather and winter are a fact of life. I don't understand the concept "O my god, it's below 70 degrees out, I must put my Piet away until next summer and it's 70 again." I'm just wondering, how many of you are going to put some clothes on this winter and enjoy the very best flying there is? Winter time is truly a wonderland for pilots. I know that a lot of our brothers in Canada fly their open cockpit planes all winter long, enjoying the frozen lakes as new and wonderful landing spots. I would love to hear from both sides, year around flyers as well as summer only flyers. Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic- but related- Wright replica crash in Dayton From: helspersew@aol.com http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/pilot-in-serious-condition-after-wright-flyer-replica-crash-328592.html ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge From: "tkreiner" Gene, Any way you can post a couple of pix on this? I'm having a difficult time understanding where the filler strip is located. Thanks, Tom -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266233#266233 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:54 AM PST US From: "ALAN LYSCARS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Qe?? Al ----- Original Message ----- From: jorge lizarraga To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes oscar es pero que continues tanbien y disfrutando tus vuelos con tu piet yo estoy casi terminando toda la seccion de la cola y boy ha empesar algunas partes de metal para los horns y attach for cables te agradeseria mucho si me pudieras dar una idea mejor ge como construir una vercion mejor dela palanca de aselerador del gas (turttel) asselerator ho algo asi estas son algunas fotos gracias de nuevo jorge from hanford y espero cuando my piet este listo para volar poder bisitar ha todoes ustedes tanks bery mauchs --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote: From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes To: "Pietenpol List" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:26 PM Dan; excellent video. It really captures the essence of a typical Piet flight, or at least part of it. I notice that at least one of your lift struts has a splice in it. I also notice that your airplane wants to make carb ice as readily as mine does ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net = - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.com/atronics.com" bsp; -Matt Dralle, List Adontribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:28 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge fillerstrips well, the filler strips are in the plans, and otherwise there is nothing for the rear of the plywood to nail to other than the ribs. For me, leaving it out is not an option, I think it would "buckle" between the ribs even forward of the spar and I do not think that would look good. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge fillerstrips Gene, The filler strips that you mention...that's what I did. Later I read that a few of the fellows said not to do this, because of what Greg C. said. I contemplated cutting it away, but after much contemplation decided to leave them. So we shall see if this was a mistake or not when it flies. I was really unsure which way to go. Any flight reports out there to substantiate? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:13 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: leading edge that is why (I think) the plywood extends past the filler strip, so there will be no sharp edge. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: leading edge Gene, Do not install the filler strips on top of the spar between the ribs. It will produce a sharp transition when the fabric is pulled tight. This needs to be a smooth transition where the plywood ends. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: leading edge I KNOW this has been discussed, but a search of the archives does not turn up an answer to my exact question. I am ready to install the plywood on my leading edge. (OK, let's get terminology out of the way here. The very front piece I am calling the "nose piece." That, together with the plywood on the top side back to the spar forms the "leading edge." On the top of the spar between the ribs are the "filler strips") Since the plans don't specify, I made the filler strips 1/2" wide and glued them flush with the front face of the spar (for several reasons that I won't go into here) Because they follow the curve of the top capstrip, they are about 3/8" tall at the rear. OK, the plans say for the plywood to be 9" wide. Even overlapping the ply over the nose piece 1/2", the ply goes about 3/4" beyond the back of the filler strip. I don't have a problem with that, it probably helps fair the fabric in, but I was wondering what most of you do. Do any of you cut the ply to end at the back of the filler strip? Seems like that would make the edge pretty sharp for the fabric to follow. The next question is the sequence of glueing it on. I am planning on using nail strips to hold it down to the nose piece. Just wondering whether to glue/nail to the spar filler first and then bend down, or the other way around, or am I worrying too much?? All this being said, I just found a place in Mass where I bought my 1/16" okume plywood. The 4x8 sheet was $27, the first two cuts were free. Cutting it into 9" pieces took 5 cuts, so for around $30 plus shipping, I had my leading edge material. Can't think of the name now, but contact me offline and I can give it to anyone who is interested. Gene href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:38 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge on top of the spar between the ribs ----- Original Message ----- From: tkreiner To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge > Gene, Any way you can post a couple of pix on this? I'm having a difficult time understanding where the filler strip is located. Thanks, Tom -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266233#266233 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:51 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge fillerstrips I posted an earlier photo of my leading edge ply wrapped around the nose of the Riblett 612. I stopped the plywood short of the front spar intentional ly. The fabric "sags" between the ribs-everywhere else on the wing and, I assume, will pull down on the rear plywood edge some as well, then transit ion flat as it approaches the nose and wrap around. I would think this woul d help eliminate some of the hard lines seen under the fabric where the ply wood ends and leaves a noticeable hard line the length of the wing. It shou ld also give a nice smooth transition from the sags between the ribs and th e smooth flat leading edge just prior to wrapping around the nose. - My wings are not covered yet, so I don't know this for sure. But I did stre tch some large plastic trash bags over it and it seemed to look the way I t hought it would. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:28 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Thanks Greg, that's the kind of pictures I need. I want to go with the push /pull to the bell crank, then from there back, have cables. I like the clea ner cockpit by far...no cables and no pulleys sticking up. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, gcardinal wrote: From: gcardinal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator You will need to make an intermediate pivot point just behind the seat. Che ck out Gary Boothe's pictures on www.westcoastpiet.com and see how he did i t. Very nicely done. Just make sure you don't change the control travel-geometry. - Nothing wrong with cables and pulleys per the plans but the push/pull tube will clean up the cockpit nicely. - Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator I am interested in those who may have installed a push/pull tube setup from the stick to the elevator bell crank. Pictures are best, but if anyone kno ws who has done this and how it is done, I would appreciate some pointers. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:42 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Hi Jorge, [Google has a pretty good translator - you should probably type your message in there, translate it, and post both the original en Espanol and the English version. The URL is http://translate.google.org. This is what your last message came out as (it is not perfect, but close):] Google tiene un traductor muy bueno - es probable que escriba su mensaje all, traducir y publicar el original en Espaol y la versin en Ingls. La URL es http://translate.google.org. Esto es lo que su ltimo mensaje sali como (no es perfecto, pero casi): oscar is but continues tanbien and enjoy your flight with your piet I'm almost finished with the entire tail section and get started boy has some metal parts for the horns and attach cables for agradeseria much if you could give me a better idea as ge build a better vercion aselerador dela gas lever (turttel) asselerator ho something like this are some photos from jorge thanks again and I hope when my hanford piet ready to fly you to bisita todoes tanks has bery mauchs Cheers, Dan jorge lizarraga wrote: > oscar es pero que continues tanbien y disfrutando tus vuelos con tu piet > yo estoy casi terminando toda la seccion de la cola y boy ha empesar > algunas partes de metal para los horns y attach for cables te > agradeseria mucho si me pudieras dar una idea mejor ge como construir > una vercion mejor dela palanca de aselerador del gas (turttel) > asselerator ho algo asi estas son algunas fotos gracias de nuevo jorge > from hanford y espero cuando my piet este listo para volar poder > bisitar ha todoes ustedes tanks bery mauchs > > --- On *Fri, 10/2/09, Oscar Zuniga //* wrote: > > > From: Oscar Zuniga > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes > To: "Pietenpol List" > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 5:26 PM > > > > > > Dan; excellent video. It really captures the essence of > a typical Piet flight, or at least part of it. > > I notice that at least one of your lift struts has a splice > in it. I also notice that your airplane wants to make carb > ice as readily as mine does ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net = > - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum > -http://www.matronics.com/atronics.com" bsp; -Matt > Dralle, List Adontribution" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:05 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Hi Oscar, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > I notice that at least one of your lift struts has a splice > in it. I also notice that your airplane wants to make carb > ice as readily as mine does ;o) There's nothing in the logs about the splice, so I can only assume that it was done during construction. The A&P said it was done correctly and should be no problem. It's a go plane, not a show plane, so I'm satisfied. Can you elaborate on your carb ice comment? In the first part of the vido the carb heat is off and during the long final it was on... could you really tell the difference in the sound of the engine between the two portions of the video? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:02 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Michael, I used a push/pull system on my Piet. Check out Page 11 of the build photos on http://www.cpc-world.com. You can also see the trim wheel and spring system. Everything worked well but the rotation on the torque tube when using aileron (and hence the rotation of the control rods) caused one rod end on the rod between the control stick and the intermediate lever to slacken off. It was not a problem other than one rod end was not lock nutted. Page three of the build photos shows the system in greater detail (the side ply is not on the side of the fuse) so I hope you can understand how it all fits together No problems were encountered in flight. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Thanks Greg, that's the kind of pictures I need. I want to go with the push/pull to the bell crank, then from there back, have cables. I like the cleaner cockpit by far...no cables and no pulleys sticking up. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, gcardinal wrote: From: gcardinal Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator You will need to make an intermediate pivot point just behind the seat. Check out Gary Boothe's pictures on www.westcoastpiet.com and see how he did it. Very nicely done. Just make sure you don't change the control travel geometry. Nothing wrong with cables and pulleys per the plans but the push/pull tube will clean up the cockpit nicely. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator I am interested in those who may have installed a push/pull tube setup from the stick to the elevator bell crank. Pictures are best, but if anyone knows who has done this and how it is done, I would appreciate some pointers. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:07 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: avgas and Lexan Reg mogas will eat it like candy.Even Super Shell=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________ _____________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Co rporation]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" < pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Friday, October 2, 2009 11:13:22 AM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: avgas and Lexan=0A=0A=0AI=99ve spilled av gas on my front windshield many times and have never had to replace it.=C2 -=C2- There have=0Abeen zero adverse effects from avgas when splashed o n Lexan, at least in my 11 years of flying with=0Athat windshield. =0A=C2 -=0AI did have to replace the rear windshield once where it appeared to m e that the stress of the bending=0Aeventually promoted stress fractures rad iating from around the bracket and at the edge of the rounded=0Acorner at t he two bottom corners of the windshield.=C2-=C2-=C2- At the end of on e flying season one of the micro=0Afractures turned into a crack about an i nch long so I used the drill-stop method to keep it from =0Apropagating and then replaced the rear =C2-windshield the next Spring. =0A=C2-=0AMike C. =0A=C2-=0AThere are PPP=99s=C2-=C2-=C2- Pietenpol Plexigla s Proponents and then there are PLP=99s,=C2- Pietenpol Lexan Propon ents.=C2-=C2-=C2- =0AThe PLP=99s are generally more handsome an d get more women than the PPP=99s.=C2-=C2-=C2- It=99s a p -======================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying From: "Don Emch" Absolutely love winter flying. If you dress in layers its really not too bad. The key is keeping the exposed skin covered up. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/skiflyin_004.jpg Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266263#266263 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: reinforced "end" ribs From: Robert Ray I've seen people reinforce the wing tip where as a ground loop is less likely to damage and also the end ribs need extra rigidity to keep the fabric from pulling them, there is info I think on this web site and west coast, I remeber one guy built his wing tip rib out of ash, he said incase he ground loops. I'm thinking of taking okume 1/8 over to the next rib on the inward one. or 1/16 okume with 1/4 runners. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:38 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: > I've seen a lot of people mention to add 1/16"th ply to reinforce the end > ribs of each wing panel and center section. I don't see this anywhere in > the plans - is it only to terminate the covering or is there another > reason. The plans call for extra braces... Also, it calls for 1 1/4" x > 1/16"thk. ply to be added to the top of the center section and inboard end > ribs. The center section plans call out 3/16" thk. capstrip in this area - > my ribs are all 1/4 x 1/2. Will adding 1/16" to the top be a problem? > > Thanks, > > Tom B. > Brooklyn Park, MN > working on the center section > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:36 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing As Mikee said... don't let the weight issue deter you from using the 3-piece wing. Corky was able to build 41CC to an empty weight of right around 630 lbs. with the 3-piece wing and I think that's a pretty good weight. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:34 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Michael: you can see the bungee trim system that I have on 41CC here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/trim.html Really all it does is apply some nose-down bias to the elevators to make them a bit lighter. Some Piets can be tail-heavy and 41CC is no exception. The airplane does not fly hands-off in any trim or loading condition but this bungee makes the elevator lighter and reduces stick forces. Although it was made to be adjustable, I've never adjusted after it was installed and set. I'm sure the cheap bungee is losing its bungee-ness over time, so I'll need to replace it at some point. Corky flew 41CC with a bungee from the pilot's seat, around the stick, and back. Sliding it up or down the stick provided a varying amount of back-stick trim. I have no pictures of that setup and the only time I really notice that I need to hold back stick in cruise flight is for the first hour or so after I fill the fuel tank, which is in the nose. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:23 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Dan; One of these days, a bunch of Pietenpolers are going to take you to the woodshed and take away all those electronic gadgets that distract you from your flying. Friends don't let friends fly with electronic gadgets. Just look what driving and talking on the cellphone is leading to! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:51 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico Mikee- it's Mexico, not the U.S., that has put in place the UHF ELT requirement. Sorry if I wasn't clear when I made the statement. Still not mandatory here in the States (other rules apply; I'm strictly talking about existing installations in existing airplanes). Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: reinforced "end" ribs From: "Bill Church" Sounds like you're planning ahead for ground loops, and recently you posted a message that indicated you were planning for an inflight engine fire. Why such a negative outlook? Bill C. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Robert Ray Sent: Sat 03/10/2009 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: reinforced "end" ribs I've seen people reinforce the wing tip where as a ground loop is less likely to damage and also the end ribs need extra rigidity to keep the fabric from pulling them, there is info I think on this web site and west coast, I remeber one guy built his wing tip rib out of ash, he said incase he ground loops. I'm thinking of taking okume 1/8 over to the next rib on the inward one. or 1/16 okume with 1/4 runners. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:38 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: > I've seen a lot of people mention to add 1/16"th ply to reinforce the end > ribs of each wing panel and center section. I don't see this anywhere in > the plans - is it only to terminate the covering or is there another > reason. The plans call for extra braces... Also, it calls for 1 1/4" x > 1/16"thk. ply to be added to the top of the center section and inboard end > ribs. The center section plans call out 3/16" thk. capstrip in this area - > my ribs are all 1/4 x 1/2. Will adding 1/16" to the top be a problem? > > Thanks, > > Tom B. > Brooklyn Park, MN > working on the center section > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:42 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge fillerstrips I believe the filler strip shown on the plans is for the center section only, not the entire wing. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge fillerstrips well, the filler strips are in the plans, and otherwise there is nothing for the rear of the plywood to nail to other than the ribs. For me, leaving it out is not an option, I think it would "buckle" between the ribs even forward of the spar and I do not think that would look good. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge fillerstrips Gene, The filler strips that you mention...that's what I did. Later I read that a few of the fellows said not to do this, because of what Greg C. said. I contemplated cutting it away, but after much contemplation decided to leave them. So we shall see if this was a mistake or not when it flies. I was really unsure which way to go. Any flight reports out there to substantiate? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:11 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: translating Jorge's post- #1 For the benefit of those who don't know Spanish, here is a rough translation of what he wrote: "Oscar, I hope that you keep flying and enjoying your flights in your Piet. I am almost completing the tail secion and I'll be starting some of the metal parts for the horns and cable attachments. I would appreciate it very much if you could give me a better idea of how to make a better version of the throttle. These are some pictures. Thanks again; Jorge from Hanford, and I hope that when my Piet is ready to fly I can visit with all of you. Thanks very much." Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off topic- but related- Wright replica crash in Dayton From: "K5YAC" Bummer. The article states that the aircraft is situated, "face-down in the middle of the field, its tail sticking up in the air." I think it is actually the opposite, right? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266278#266278 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:04 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: translating Jorge's post- #2 Referring to Michael's post on the Riblett 612, Jorge wrote: "You're building a museum piece and I'm very happy for you. Your airplane is beautiful. I only wish my airplane looked as good. Greetings from Hanford. -Jorge" estas con sigiendo una piesa de museo muchas felicidades es ta precioso tu avionojala el mio se biera igual saludos from hanford jorge Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:02 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairings Assuming that I do not want to attach my wing fairings with leather lacing like Larry Williams (a very nice touch), how are some of you attaching the aluminum fairing? The plans call for the 1/16" x 2" plywood, which will keep the fabric from sucking in the rib, and provide an attach for the fairing. But there must be a trick way of backing up the screws. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:41 AM PST US From: Thomas Bernie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Michael, Maby you could adapt the GN-1 style controls. Tom IMG_1155 IMG_1156 IMG_1157 IMG_1158 IMG_1159 On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Peter W Johnson wrote: > Michael, > > I used a push/pull system on my Piet. Check out Page 11 of the build > photos on http://www.cpc-world.com. You can also see the trim wheel > and spring system. > > Everything worked well but the rotation on the torque tube when > using aileron (and hence the rotation of the control rods) caused > one rod end on the rod between the control stick and the > intermediate lever to slacken off. It was not a problem other than > one rod end was not lock nutted. Page three of the build photos > shows the system in greater detail (the side ply is not on the side > of the fuse) so I hope you can understand how it all fits together > No problems were encountered in flight. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez > Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 12:05 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator > > Thanks Greg, that's the kind of pictures I need. I want to go with > the push/pull to the bell crank, then from there back, have cables. > I like the cleaner cockpit by far...no cables and no pulleys > sticking up. > > --- On Fri, 10/2/09, gcardinal wrote: > > From: gcardinal > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 6:32 PM > > You will need to make an intermediate pivot point just behind the > seat. Check out Gary Boothe's pictures on www.westcoastpiet.com and > see how he did it. Very nicely done. > Just make sure you don't change the control travel geometry. > > Nothing wrong with cables and pulleys per the plans but the push/ > pull tube will clean up the cockpit nicely. > > Greg C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Perez > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:08 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator > > I am interested in those who may have installed a push/pull tube > setup from the stick to the elevator bell crank. Pictures are best, > but if anyone knows who has done this and how it is done, I would > appreciate some pointers. > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:36 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying Don, what a beautiful photo! It just doesn't get any better than that! Did you design and build your skies?? And your correct about dressing in layers. No one thinks a thing about running a snow machine when it's zero or 10 below. You just need to dress for it. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying > > Absolutely love winter flying. If you dress in layers its really not too > bad. The key is keeping the exposed skin covered up. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/skiflyin_004.jpg > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266263#266263 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:20:00 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:42 AM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing Mine with the 3 piece and 65 Cont. weighs 607#--Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing > > > As Mikee said... don't let the weight issue deter you > from using the 3-piece wing. Corky was able to build > 41CC to an empty weight of right around 630 lbs. with > the 3-piece wing and I think that's a pretty good weight. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:32 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying That's just about one of the neatest Pietenpol pictures I've ever seen.... -----Original Message----- >From: Don Emch >Sent: Oct 3, 2009 9:04 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying > > >Absolutely love winter flying. If you dress in layers its really not too bad. The key is keeping the exposed skin covered up. > >http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/skiflyin_004.jpg > >Don Emch >NX899DE > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266263#266263 > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying From: "K5YAC" Some of you guys have all the luck... snow on the ground that stays around for more than 5 minutes and flat wheels! Oh dang... what am I saying? I like those 70 degree January days. Yep we have em occasionally, I just hope I haven't jinxed us into having another ice storm. We have no idea how to cope with that stuff down here. Ha ha! Cool photo Don! -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266301#266301 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:40 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Dan; > > One of these days, a bunch of Pietenpolers are going > to take you to the woodshed and take away all those > electronic gadgets that distract you from your flying. > Sir, yes, SIR! Ok, yes, I *can* actually tell the difference when the carb heat is on and when it ain't... when I'm *in the plane*. On the video, I can't hear the difference. But, I'm still curious... what can you hear that suggests that there's ice forming? I can hear a little more throaty growl when I pull on the heat at 17-1800RPM, but I always chalked that up to the warmer, lower density air being jammed into the carb. Maybe my hearing is going... or maybe it's 'cause I haven't actually been able to watch the video without one 2-year-old or another talking in my ear, saying, "Daddy. Daddy. Daddy. DADDY! Daddy. Daddy. Does, does, does, does... um, does, does, does... Is this Friday? Is tomorrow Saturday? Um, are we going to have waffles, tomorrow?" > Friends don't let friends fly with electronic gadgets. > Just look what driving and talking on the cellphone > is leading to! Well, maybe down thar in Texas country you can tell the difference between one 10,000 acre cow pasture and another, but since I'm pretty new to the Northern Illinois skies, everything looks like the same darn 40 acre bean field! I have to say that getting the dual with this particular CFI has been really good, if only for the tour I'm getting of all the little grass strips between here, Poplar Grove, and Burlington, WI. He took me to one place called Hilbert's Funny Farm. The east-west runway is really hilly - about 15' down from the west end to mid-field and then about 25' up to the east end. The southern approach to the north-south runway goes UNDER a huge power line. It's wild! Here's a bird's eye view of the place: http://tinyurl.com/yak6v66 Note the tall high-voltage line towers. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:06 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landings with passengers in the front seat Mike, I love your comment. I'll play along.... "Wait, license... are we supposed to get licenses?" When I see you again at Brodhead, I will tell you a story about "no license," involving a paractical joke on a friend. I did not find out until later that my friend was deathly afraid of flying, even 4 engine commercial, and we were in a Cessna 172 when we pulled the joke. Like amny good practical jokes, it's too involved to tell by typing, IMO, and goes better over a cold Leinenkugel, anyway. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" >Sent: Oct 2, 2009 11:28 PM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: landings with passengers in the front seat > > > >Good approach Dan-- that is what I normally do-- just use the peripheral image from either side of the fuselage >to flare with a passenger. The time I like to have the passenger shift right or left is during final but again as you said, need >not be done. Nice job feeling for the terra-firma !!! > >That's not an easy thing to do as runway widths vary, slopes, little hills and dips can mess with you in those final few inches >before touchdown but that's what makes it so challenging and fun. If I have a bad landing with a passenger I just tell them >that "someday I'm going to actually get my pilot license !" > >Mike C. > >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:35 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes If your carburetor will accept it, and if your plane has electricity, and if your panel has room for a light and a rheostat and a switch.... ah, but what are the chances for all that? Well then, if the answer is yes, then you can install the ARP carburetor ice detector: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/icedetect2.php I have on in my Cessna 180, and it has worked reliably and saved my sorry self a number of times. It has found ice near virga, on the ground downwind of some irrigation while waiting to take off, but almost never in the pattern. That thing really, really works. David Paule Not connected to ARP, just a very satisfied customer. Darn glad to have that gadget. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes > > > Oscar Zuniga wrote: >> >> >> >> Dan; >> One of these days, a bunch of Pietenpolers are going >> to take you to the woodshed and take away all those >> electronic gadgets that distract you from your flying. >> > > Sir, yes, SIR! > > Ok, yes, I *can* actually tell the difference when the carb heat is on and > when it ain't... when I'm *in the plane*. On the video, I can't hear the > difference. > > But, I'm still curious... what can you hear that suggests that there's ice > forming? I can hear a little more throaty growl when I pull on the heat > at 17-1800RPM, but I always chalked that up to the warmer, lower density > air being jammed into the carb. > > Maybe my hearing is going... or maybe it's 'cause I haven't actually been > able to watch the video without one 2-year-old or another talking in my > ear, saying, "Daddy. Daddy. Daddy. DADDY! Daddy. Daddy. Does, does, does, > does... um, does, does, does... Is this Friday? Is tomorrow Saturday? > Um, are we going to have waffles, tomorrow?" > >> Friends don't let friends fly with electronic gadgets. >> Just look what driving and talking on the cellphone >> is leading to! > > Well, maybe down thar in Texas country you can tell the difference between > one 10,000 acre cow pasture and another, but since I'm pretty new to the > Northern Illinois skies, everything looks like the same darn 40 acre bean > field! > > I have to say that getting the dual with this particular CFI has been > really good, if only for the tour I'm getting of all the little grass > strips between here, Poplar Grove, and Burlington, WI. He took me to one > place called Hilbert's Funny Farm. The east-west runway is really hilly - > about 15' down from the west end to mid-field and then about 25' up to the > east end. The southern approach to the north-south runway goes UNDER a > huge power line. It's wild! Here's a bird's eye view of the place: > http://tinyurl.com/yak6v66 Note the tall high-voltage line towers. > > Cheers, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:28 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter flying Gene, The Pietenpol is an excellent skiplane, but has a lousy heater. I test flew mine on skis November 15, 1970 and recommend using skis for test flying from nice big fields and lakes. You can always take off and land into the wind if the area is large enough, and that is a real advantage for safety. Of course, one has to avoid snow drifts which can be rough enough to break something. Years ago I considered making a canopy for the rear cockpit, but never got around to doing it. A simple, side-hinged canopy would make a huge difference. The front pit would be covered because no passenger would be carried, unless he/she was crazy/tough enough to ride in the open cockpit. It would be more difficult to fit a canopy under the wing, but it's not impossible to do so. With the open cockpit, one can hear the heels of the skis dragging on the snow surface while landing and it is easy to land "by ear". If the temperature is at, or above, freezing, having face protection and warm clothes in layers will make the experience tolerable. It is great fun to race the snowmobiles and watch your shadow fleeting along the surface on a sunny day. Usually, with no wind, the air is smooth and the Pietenpol is delightful to fly under these conditions. In rough air, it is a handful. (Yesterday I flew mine--on wheels--and felt like a butterfly in a tornado. Not much fun doing that!) I used to fly my Pietenpol every month of the year and put it on skis every winter. I don't do that anymore because, while I am just as crazy as before, I'm not as tough as I used to be (I'll be 81 in December). But maybe I'll put it on skis again this coming winter for old times' sake. If I do, I'll let you know how it went. Cheers, Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada---where we are now on the cusp of winter) ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:03 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Thanks Peter. I have a very good idea now how to make the push /pull work on my setup. It should prove to be very clean, simple and work just the way I hope. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:10 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Understood Oscar and thanks. I will be checking out your pictures next. The few trim systems I have seen use a locking knob, so to speak, that the pil ot loosens, moves the trim lever, then re-tightens.- I am designing a sim ple way so that a knob is not necessary...just the lever. I am thinking alo ng the lines of detents...like the height adjustments on push lawn mowers. - If I put the lever on the left side, coming through the pilot seat, the n the lever would need to be pulled into the pilot to release it from the d etent, then moved for or aft to trim and released back into another detent. This way, if the pilot bumps the lever, it will be bumped into the detents and not out of them.- Once I get a good clean design made and working, I 'll post pictures. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:00 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying you can have this stuff you call luck any time you want;i'm not crazy about it personally.If I had my way I'd be flying in Florida all the time.From c old Ottawa in Canada=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturd ay, October 3, 2009 2:32:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying =0ASome of you guys have all the luck... snow on the ground that stays arou nd for more than 5 minutes and flat wheels!=0A=0AOh dang... what am I sayin g?- I like those 70 degree January days.- Yep we have em occasionally, I just hope I haven't jinxed us into having another ice storm.- We have n o idea how to cope with that stuff down here. Ha ha! =0A=0ACool photo Don! =0A=0A--------=0AMark - working on wings=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic o nline here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266301#26630 ======================= ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:29 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 5 minutes Dan wrote- >what can you hear that suggests that there's >ice forming? [In the video, rolling to the centerline for takeoff, pilot advances the throttle, engine hesitates, and someone says] "carb heat!" Honestly, I didn't hear anything other than that. My engine has died a time or two in that very situation, before I could apply carb heat. Now I just keep it pulled all the way from runup to wheels off the ground on takeoff, and from just prior to power reduction on downwind, all the way to the ground. Plus I blip the throttle periodically on base and final to clear the engine. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Winter flying Graham, You're my Hero for the Day! I hope I'm still contemplating skis when I'm 81. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hansen Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Winter flying Gene, The Pietenpol is an excellent skiplane, but has a lousy heater. I test flew mine on skis November 15, 1970 and recommend using skis for test flying from nice big fields and lakes. You can always take off and land into the wind if the area is large enough, and that is a real advantage for safety. Of course, one has to avoid snow drifts which can be rough enough to break something. Years ago I considered making a canopy for the rear cockpit, but never got around to doing it. A simple, side-hinged canopy would make a huge difference. The front pit would be covered because no passenger would be carried, unless he/she was crazy/tough enough to ride in the open cockpit. It would be more difficult to fit a canopy under the wing, but it's not impossible to do so. With the open cockpit, one can hear the heels of the skis dragging on the snow surface while landing and it is easy to land "by ear". If the temperature is at, or above, freezing, having face protection and warm clothes in layers will make the experience tolerable. It is great fun to race the snowmobiles and watch your shadow fleeting along the surface on a sunny day. Usually, with no wind, the air is smooth and the Pietenpol is delightful to fly under these conditions. In rough air, it is a handful. (Yesterday I flew mine--on wheels--and felt like a butterfly in a tornado. Not much fun doing that!) I used to fly my Pietenpol every month of the year and put it on skis every winter. I don't do that anymore because, while I am just as crazy as before, I'm not as tough as I used to be (I'll be 81 in December). But maybe I'll put it on skis again this coming winter for old times' sake. If I do, I'll let you know how it went. Cheers, Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada---where we are now on the cusp of winter) ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:40 PM PST US From: stephen labash Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thickness of spar? Any thoughts of adequacy of 3/4 inch non routed versus 1 inch non routed sp ar? Thanks Steve =0A _________________________________________________________________=0A Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.=0A ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:17 PM PST US From: "ALAN LYSCARS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: translating Jorge's post- #1 Thanks, Oscar. In my racket I ought to be more literate. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: translating Jorge's post- #1 > > > For the benefit of those who don't know Spanish, > here is a rough translation of what he wrote: > > "Oscar, I hope that you keep flying and enjoying your > flights in your Piet. I am almost completing the > tail secion and I'll be starting some of the metal > parts for the horns and cable attachments. I would > appreciate it very much if you could give me a better > idea of how to make a better version of the throttle. > These are some pictures. Thanks again; Jorge from > Hanford, and I hope that when my Piet is ready to fly > I can visit with all of you. Thanks very much." > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Winter flying From: "Don Emch" Gene, The skiis are borrowed from Frank Pavliga. I've used them the last two winters. I might be pushing it to borrow them again this winter! Frank bought the old bottoms and made a pylon type of structure to fit. They really are fairly simple and someday I intend to draw up some prints for them and make a set for myself. When I do I'll post them on here. Here is a closer shot of them... http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/skiflyin_005.jpg Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266348#266348 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:02 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thickness of spar? From: "Bill Church" What do you mean? I don't understand the question. Adequate for what? -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of stephen labash Sent: Sat 03/10/2009 9:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thickness of spar? Any thoughts of adequacy of 3/4 inch non routed versus 1 inch non routed spar? Thanks Steve _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:48 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: emergency runways Here's a little something that will be of interest http://www.emergencyrunways.com/#lat=37439974|lng=-152402344|zoom=3 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: emergency runways From: Matt Redmond Here's something I found funny... That site has Google Ads on it. Google ads are somewhat 'smart' in that Google tries to insert appropriate ads based on the content of the site hosting them (AFAIK the site owner does not have control over this). All of the Google ads on this site are for treatment of anxiety / panic disorders. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Clif Dawson wrote: > Here's a little something that will be of interest > > http://www.emergencyrunways.com/#lat=37439974|lng=-152402344|zoom=3 > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:27 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Michael, - Please take good photos and share with others. I too an wondering what to d o with-for trim set-up. I was think if 5 indents to lift the handle up an d slide across until I found the right tension. - Keep good measurements and details please... KMHeide Fargo, ND - --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Michael Perez wrote: From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push/Pull on elevator Understood Oscar and thanks. I will be checking out your pictures next. The few trim systems I have seen use a locking knob, so to speak, that the pil ot loosens, moves the trim lever, then re-tightens.- I am designing a sim ple way so that a knob is not necessary...just the lever. I am thinking alo ng the lines of detents...like the height adjustments on push lawn mowers. - If I put the lever on the left side, coming through the pilot seat, the n the lever would need to be pulled into the pilot to release it from the d etent, then moved for or aft to trim and released back into another detent. This way, if the pilot bumps the lever, it will be bumped into the detents and not out of them.- Once I get a good clean design made and working, I 'll post pictures. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:58 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: translating Jorge's post- #1 hi oscar Im bery sorry for the confucion I think these mail come to you web but I think put in the rown way bery sorry ebry one and tanks for oscar to nise work seyou all jorge --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote: From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: translating Jorge's post- #1 For the benefit of those who don't know Spanish, here is a rough translation of what he wrote: "Oscar, I hope that you keep flying and enjoying your flights in your Piet.- I am almost completing the tail secion and I'll be starting some of the metal parts for the horns and cable attachments.- I would appreciate it very much if you could give me a better idea of how to make a better version of the throttle. These are some pictures.- Thanks again; Jorge from Hanford, and I hope that when my Piet is ready to fly I can visit with all of you.- Thanks very much." Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- -------- ------ --- - le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:42 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico warning if you planing fly to guadalajara air port be sure the rules change because i live from 7 years in there and is the worse nainmare airport i now in th at time i see alot com pain from comercial pilots and privet ones yust i li ke you have bery nise fly in there i hope the rules change but dificult to say i travel to mexico 2 monts ago is continue same good look to all --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Oscar Zuniga wrote: From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet to Guadalajara, Mexico Well, there goes any plan of ever flying 41CC down to Guadalajara, Mexico.- They just passed a reg requiring the new UHF ELTs (406mHz) and I'm going to resist installing one of those for as long as I can. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- -------- ------ --- - le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.