Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sat 10/10/09


Total Messages Posted: 24



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:06 AM - Re: tailwheel springs (skellytown flyer)
     2. 06:13 AM - Re: bell crank spring for trim control (skellytown flyer)
     3. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Gary Boothe)
     4. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Gary Boothe)
     5. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Gary Boothe)
     6. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: tailwheel springs (Gene Rambo)
     7. 07:26 AM - Cowling idea (skellytown flyer)
     8. 08:13 AM - firewall material (Oscar Zuniga)
     9. 08:40 AM - Re: firewall material (Gary Boothe)
    10. 10:17 AM - Re: firewall material (Gene Rambo)
    11. 10:42 AM - Re: firewall material (Gary Boothe)
    12. 05:11 PM - Fw: Pietenpol-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 10/09/09 (jim)
    13. 05:24 PM - Substitute for mahogany plywood (jim)
    14. 05:43 PM - Re: firewall material (Gene Rambo)
    15. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: tailwheel springs (Doug Dever)
    16. 06:54 PM - Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood (Robert Ray)
    17. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: tailwheel springs (Robert Ray)
    18. 07:21 PM - Re: Vi Kapler's Piets (dwilson)
    19. 07:25 PM - Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood (Ryan Mueller)
    20. 07:38 PM - Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood (Paul N. Peckham)
    21. 07:46 PM - Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood (Paul N. Peckham)
    22. 07:49 PM - Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood (Paul N. Peckham)
    23. 07:54 PM - Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood (Paul N. Peckham)
    24. 11:06 PM - Re: Re: tailwheel springs (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:06:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: tailwheel springs
    From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
    I just quickly scanned the answers but didn't see what I would say is a big reason- if you are running the leaf type tail spring like I am-as it flattens out it will get longer and if you have no springs in there to give it some relief something is going to give. might not notice it at the time but who knows what damage could occur? maybe a cracked rudder,bent control horn or such? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267328#267328


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    Time: 06:13:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: bell crank spring for trim control
    From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
    I'd guess the spring tension would mainly depend on how well your CG is set up and how well you have the angle of your horizontal stabilizer set so you don't have so much need for stick pressure in flight.a Rans S-12 I had once used bungee cord wound around a plastic wheel and attached to the elevator linkage.worked fair but the cord wasn't that great over time.I basically ignored it and flew the plane.but it didn't need that much stick pressure.probably a simple trim tab would have been better. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267329#267329


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    Time: 07:07:13 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs
    I hope I remember to remove the tire chains in the tail before I cover! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of catdesigns@att.net Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs I highly recommend you all go to Gary's house. Not only does he generously loan you lots of stuff from his garage but he feeds you lunch and chauffeurs you around as well. His low cost Poplarpol is coming along nicely and I am currious to see how the weight compairs to my high cost Sprucenpol. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs Jim, Sure wish you hadn't of said that. Here's my garage when they arrived: Here's how it looked when they left: I'm still trying to figure out what's missing.. .and I thought we were having such fun! Chris Tracy on my right wing, Mike Weaver on my left wing. We got to go to Georgetown Airport(E36) and see Bob O'Hara's nice Piet. He is actually one of three owner/builders. C-85 Piper Colt gear (reversed).and, NO, that is not a GN-1! They did some interesting reinforcing for that rear gear leg! Incidentally, Bob's so old he remembers when they invented dirt, still flies!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs Hey Chris and Mike, Be sure to check out his kitchen remodel job to see if we can't slow him down. Swipe some of those 15 ribs or something. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair On Oct 9, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> Gary It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got halfway done with the camera installation and moved on to other things. Be warned, we will be counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding the numbers. Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs I'm over it now. What concerns me today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver are coming over to eat my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have installed security cameras in my garage, but I cannot account for the intellectual property they will take. Fortunately, there isn't much! We will finish off the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob O'Hara's Piet, just a few miles away at the Georgetown airport. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: Ryan, Now, that's simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with skinny legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least on one point, someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs part). And you died a little bit inside....it's ok...you can admit it. ;) Ryan do not archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics .comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 07:17:34 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs
    Ryan, The intakes are just tack welded for now. When I start on the cowling I'll have a better idea about how they need to be angled. I wish my cowling to be more 'slant nosed', like MC's or JP's, so lots of stuff will be exposed (like the oil filler, exhaust, oil breathers, etc.). Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs Jim, I believe you are correct. There is more of a gap to the south than there is to the north. I would posit two theories: Gary was showing off his immaculate valve train to his guests and forgot to tighten, and they promptly absconded with his entire project, or Gary is going to pull the covers to set the lifters before his first start. Gary, I see you have the carb mounting pads still on the cylinders...what are you doing for your intake setup? (I don't recall) Have a good night, Ryan On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote: cool pictures. Looks like you guys had some fun.... So is the valve cover crooked a bit in your corvair picture (starboard side) or is that just the photo distortion? Looks like the bottom is tilted outward a bit.... Sure is encouraging to see completed and progressing Air Campers! -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >Sent: Oct 9, 2009 7:37 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > >Jim, > > >Sure wish you hadn't of said that. Here's my garage when they arrived: > > >Here's how it looked when they left: > > >I'm still trying to figure out what's missing.. > > >.and I thought we were having such fun! Chris Tracy on my right wing, Mike >Weaver on my left wing. > > >We got to go to Georgetown Airport(E36) and see Bob O'Hara's nice Piet. He >is actually one of three owner/builders. > > >C-85 > >Piper Colt gear (reversed).and, NO, that is not a GN-1! They did some >interesting reinforcing for that rear gear leg! > > >Incidentally, Bob's so old he remembers when they invented dirt, still >flies!! > > >Gary Boothe > >Cool, Ca. > >Pietenpol > >WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > >Tail done, Fuselage on gear > >(15 ribs down.) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:22 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > > >Hey Chris and Mike, > >Be sure to check out his kitchen remodel job to see if we can't slow him >down. Swipe some of those 15 ribs or something. > >Jim B. > > >Jim Boyer > >Santa Rosa, CA > >Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > >On Oct 9, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: > > >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > >Gary > > >It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got > >halfway done with the camera installation and moved on to other things. Be > >warned, we will be counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding > >the numbers. > > >Chris > >Sacramento, > >CA > >WestCoastPiet.com > > >Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Gary > > Boothe > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 > > AM > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory > > wood-skinny legs > > > I'm over it > > now. > > > What concerns me > > today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver are coming over to >eat > > my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have installed security >cameras > > in my garage, but I cannot account for the intellectual property they will > > > take. Fortunately, there isn't much! > > > We will finish off > > the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob O'Hara's Piet, >just a > > few miles away at the Georgetown > > airport. > > > Gary > > Boothe > > > Cool, > > Ca. > > > Pietenpol > > > WW Corvair > > Conversion, mounted > > > Tail > > done, Fuselage on gear > > > (15 ribs > > down.) > > > Do not > > archive > > > From: > > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan >Mueller > >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 > > AM > >To: > > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory > > wood-skinny legs > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > Ryan, > > > Now, that's simply > > not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the archives for a > > correlation between my love of hickory and women with skinny legs. Lo and > > behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least on one point, > > > someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs > > part). > > >And you died a little bit inside....it's > > ok...you can admit it. ;) > > >Ryan > > >do not > > archive > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com / >Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronic s >.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contrib u >tion > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni c >s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ==================== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==========


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    Time: 07:18:34 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs
    Jim, Observant, as always, but you may have blown my story! I told Mike, "That's the way it's s'posed to be," and he believed me!...Just kidding.Chris and Mike really didn't steal me blind. That's an old picture just before I removed the valve cover to add the oil filler and paint. It's still just 'pinned' on with the screws, though. The gold hub in this picture was slid on to the hybrid studs, as I do not yet have the starter ring gear (funny thing - can't seem to find the gold hub this morning.). Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs cool pictures. Looks like you guys had some fun.... So is the valve cover crooked a bit in your corvair picture (starboard side) or is that just the photo distortion? Looks like the bottom is tilted outward a bit.... Sure is encouraging to see completed and progressing Air Campers! -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >Sent: Oct 9, 2009 7:37 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > >Jim, > > > >Sure wish you hadn't of said that. Here's my garage when they arrived: > > > > > > > >Here's how it looked when they left: > > > > > > > >I'm still trying to figure out what's missing.. > > > > > > > >.and I thought we were having such fun! Chris Tracy on my right wing, Mike >Weaver on my left wing. > > > > > > > >We got to go to Georgetown Airport(E36) and see Bob O'Hara's nice Piet. He >is actually one of three owner/builders. > > > >C-85 > >Piper Colt gear (reversed).and, NO, that is not a GN-1! They did some >interesting reinforcing for that rear gear leg! > > > >Incidentally, Bob's so old he remembers when they invented dirt, still >flies!! > > > >Gary Boothe > >Cool, Ca. > >Pietenpol > >WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > >Tail done, Fuselage on gear > >(15 ribs down.) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:22 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > > > > > > >Hey Chris and Mike, > >Be sure to check out his kitchen remodel job to see if we can't slow him >down. Swipe some of those 15 ribs or something. > >Jim B. > > > >Jim Boyer > >Santa Rosa, CA > >Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > > >On Oct 9, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: > > > > > >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gary > > > >It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got > >halfway done with the camera installation and moved on to other things. Be > >warned, we will be counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding > >the numbers. > > > >Chris > >Sacramento, > >CA > >WestCoastPiet.com > > > >Do not archive > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Gary > > Boothe > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 > > AM > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory > > wood-skinny legs > > > > > > > > I'm over it > > now. > > > > > > > > What concerns me > > today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver are coming over to >eat > > my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have installed security >cameras > > in my garage, but I cannot account for the intellectual property they will > > > take. Fortunately, there isn't much! > > > > > > > > We will finish off > > the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob O'Hara's Piet, >just a > > few miles away at the Georgetown > > airport. > > > > > > > > > > Gary > > Boothe > > > > Cool, > > Ca. > > > > Pietenpol > > > > WW Corvair > > Conversion, mounted > > > > Tail > > done, Fuselage on gear > > > > (15 ribs > > down.) > > > > Do not > > archive > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan >Mueller > >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 > > AM > >To: > > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory > > wood-skinny legs > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ryan, > > > > > > > > Now, that's simply > > not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the archives for a > > correlation between my love of hickory and women with skinny legs. Lo and > > behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least on one point, > > > someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs > > part). > > > > > > > > > > > >And you died a little bit inside....it's > > ok...you can admit it. ;) > > > >Ryan > > > >do not > > archive > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com / >Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronic s >.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contrib u >tion > > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni c >s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:19:03 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: tailwheel springs
    there it is!! I was not thinking when I said there had to be a reason that all light aircraft use springs, I forgot that it is for exactly that--to allow the leaf spring to move without causing damage that a solid cable definitely would. Duh! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: skellytown flyer<mailto:skellflyer1@yahoo.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel springs <skellflyer1@yahoo.com<mailto:skellflyer1@yahoo.com>> I just quickly scanned the answers but didn't see what I would say is a big reason- if you are running the leaf type tail spring like I am-as it flattens out it will get longer and if you have no springs in there to give it some relief something is going to give. might not notice it at the time but who knows what damage could occur? maybe a cracked rudder,bent control horn or such? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267328#267328<http://forums .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267328#267328> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 07:26:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Cowling idea
    From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
    Well I m slowly trying to get a cowl built for my GN-1/ Corvair setup.I have the lower section going on and what I did is bring the framework as close in at the front as possible and just under the exhaust manifolds.I am for now at least just turning the exhaust pipes out the sides so a lot of heat will not actually be down in the cowl even though I left a good size opening where it goes under the belly for air to exit.I am thinking about not cutting in an inlet box for the Stromberg air inlet in it for now and just let it draw the warmer air from inside. nothing will fit really tight and my thinking is maybe the warmer air will lessen the carb ice problems I hear the old Continentals have since they don't feed through the oil pan.-what is your thinking here? I guess if it doesn't run well it would be easy enough to cut in an air intake box from the front later on. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267339#267339


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    Time: 08:13:57 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: firewall material
    Gary; is your firewall fabricated from galvanized sheet metal? I like the look of it on older planes. Ernie Moreno's airplane has a galvanized firewall. Not sure how it works out weight-wise to the other choices; I made the new firewall on 41CC from stainless and while it's very attractive, it shows every tiny oil smudge and fingerprint. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 08:40:54 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: firewall material
    Oscar, Yes, it is galvanized. If I had more money, or if I wasn't so frugal-minded (thanks, Dad), I might have sprung for SS. This material was left over from an abandoned 601 project. I thought it would be a chore to shape it, as all the sheet metal work I have done has been with aluminum. The process I used was exactly like making aluminum ribs. I was especially, and pleasantly, surprised at how easy galvanized bends!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall material Gary; is your firewall fabricated from galvanized sheet metal? I like the look of it on older planes. Ernie Moreno's airplane has a galvanized firewall. Not sure how it works out weight-wise to the other choices; I made the new firewall on 41CC from stainless and while it's very attractive, it shows every tiny oil smudge and fingerprint. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 10:17:57 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: firewall material
    galvanized is very cheap and very easy to work. I wish I could afford stainless, but always end up using galvanized. did I mention that it was cheap?? Gene do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe<mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: firewall material Oscar, Yes, it is galvanized. If I had more money, or if I wasn't so frugal-minded (thanks, Dad), I might have sprung for SS. This material was left over from an abandoned 601 project. I thought it would be a chore to shape it, as all the sheet metal work I have done has been with aluminum. The process I used was exactly like making aluminum ribs. I was especially, and pleasantly, surprised at how easy galvanized bends!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:08 AM To: Pietenpol List Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall material <taildrags@hotmail.com> Gary; is your firewall fabricated from galvanized sheet metal? I like the look of it on older planes. Ernie Moreno's airplane has a galvanized firewall. Not sure how it works out weight-wise to the other choices; I made the new firewall on 41CC from stainless and while it's very attractive, it shows every tiny oil smudge and fingerprint. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 10:42:34 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: firewall material
    Yes, and as I recall, Gene, the edges can be sharp! Especially when the wind picks up the whole piece! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: firewall material galvanized is very cheap and very easy to work. I wish I could afford stainless, but always end up using galvanized. did I mention that it was cheap?? Gene do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: firewall material Oscar, Yes, it is galvanized. If I had more money, or if I wasn't so frugal-minded (thanks, Dad), I might have sprung for SS. This material was left over from an abandoned 601 project. I thought it would be a chore to shape it, as all the sheet metal work I have done has been with aluminum. The process I used was exactly like making aluminum ribs. I was especially, and pleasantly, surprised at how easy galvanized bends!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall material Gary; is your firewall fabricated from galvanized sheet metal? I like the look of it on older planes. Ernie Moreno's airplane has a galvanized firewall. Not sure how it works out weight-wise to the other choices; I made the new firewall on 41CC from stainless and while it's very attractive, it shows every tiny oil smudge and fingerprint. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 05:11:44 PM PST US
    From: "jim" <quinnj@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 10/09/09
    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pietenpol-List Digest Server" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 10/09/09 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-10-09&Archive=Pietenpol > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-10-09&Archive=Pietenpol > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Fri 10/09/09: 36 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 03:39 AM - Re: straight axle bungees (Robert Ray) > 2. 04:42 AM - bungee/springs (Douwe Blumberg) > 3. 05:04 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Gary Boothe) > 4. 05:11 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Ryan Mueller) > 5. 05:24 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Gary Boothe) > 6. 05:27 AM - Re: straight axle bungees (wizzard187@aol.com) > 7. 05:52 AM - Western Piets availabele next week? (AMsafetyC@aol.com) > 8. 06:07 AM - Re: 3-piece wing fairing attach method (Gary Boothe) > 9. 06:25 AM - Re: hickory wood (TOM STINEMETZE) > 10. 07:24 AM - Sort of Piet related (jeremy bramall) > 11. 07:42 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs () > 12. 07:48 AM - Re: Sort of Piet related (AMsafetyC@aol.com) > 13. 08:03 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Gary Boothe) > 14. 08:46 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Ryan Mueller) > 15. 08:48 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Jim Markle) > 16. 09:34 AM - hickory wood- skinny legs (Oscar Zuniga) > 17. 09:35 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Gary Boothe) > 18. 09:47 AM - Re: Sort of Piet related (Gary Boothe) > 19. 10:20 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Jim Markle) > 20. 10:41 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Bill Church) > 21. 10:55 AM - Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Jim Markle) > 22. 12:09 PM - Re: Spring Gear (Bill Church) > 23. 12:55 PM - the "do not archive" option (Cuy, Michael D. > (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) > 24. 01:22 PM - Re: Western Piets availabele next week? (Jim) > 25. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Jim) > 26. 01:31 PM - Re: Western Piets availabele next week? > (AMsafetyC@aol.com) > 27. 03:39 PM - Re: the "do not archive" option (Dave and Connie) > 28. 03:56 PM - Re: Western Piets availabele next week? (Gary Boothe) > 29. 04:22 PM - Re: the "do not archive" option (Ryan Mueller) > 30. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Western Piets availabele next week? (Jim) > 31. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: Western Piets availabele next week? (Gary > Boothe) > 32. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Gary Boothe) > 33. 09:12 PM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Jim Markle) > 34. 10:02 PM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs (Ryan Mueller) > 35. 11:06 PM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs () > 36. 11:22 PM - Re: Re: hickory wood-skinny legs () > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:39:45 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight axle bungees > From: Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> > > Also by the end of the war they weren't putting rubber tires on there > fighters, > they were steaming wood and making tires out of wood. > > Russell > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> > wrote: > >> eng@canadianrogers.com> >> >> Douwe, >> Do you mean the springs were used as bungees? Long springs wrapped in >> the same manner as bungees? >> I would imagine that set-up would have its own bunch of problems, even >> more troublesome than the rubber bungees. >> I think the springs would become entangled as they were stretched, >> side-by-side, and jostled around, ending up with a tangled mess. >> And springs break too - not just bungees. >> Do you have one of those photos to share? Just curious as to what it >> looked like. >> >> Bill C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe >> Blumberg >> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:11 AM >> To: pietenpolgroup >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle bungees >> >> --> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >> >> The other day I came across some photos of WWI german airplanes where >> the landing gear bungees had been replaced with long coil springs >> wrapped around the axle in a similar manner. I am assuming this >> expedient was due to their rubber shortage, but it set me thinking... >> >> Though heavier, I wonder if it would work. Over the years, I've heard >> of two incidents with straight axle gears due to broken bungees. >> Stainless steel springs can be had which would virtually eliminate worry >> over aging bungees and the headache of replacing them every so often. >> >> I wonder how much heavier it would be. >> >> Douwe >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:42:20 AM PST US > From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee/springs > > > I don't have the photo, but they used long springs and wrapped the axle > exactly like a bungee. > > D > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:04:20 AM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > Ryan, > > > Now, that's simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the > archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with > skinny > legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least > on > one point, someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs part). > > > I will say, though, that I am as guilty as anyone of forgetting to add, > from > time to time, "Do not archive." > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down.) > > Definitely, DO NOT ARCHIVE > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood > > > Russell, > > > There is a feature on the Pietenpol list called the 'do not archive' tag. > I'm sure you have noticed some of list subscribers use it from time to > time. > It allows your message to go out to the list and be seen and read by all, > but it does not store a copy of the message in the archive for posterity. > You use this for messages that have no need to be stored in the archives, > usually because they contain no useful information for people that go > searching in the archives for building hints, data, methods and practices, > etc. These may be messages welcoming someone to the list, giving > congratulations for achievements; all sorts of things. > > > I can, shall we say, guaran-damn-teed you that there is no one - > absolutely > no one - who will be searching for information in the archives about wood > cabane struts that will gain anything from reading that you don't want no > skinny cabanes, but you like women with skinny legs. Not a soul. So if > such > a message must be sent out, it would be the polite thing to do to just put > 'do not archive' at the end of the message, to help out those folks down > the > road who are looking for information in the always helpful Pietenpol list > archive. Just a suggestion. Thanks! > > > Ryan > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't want no skinny cabanes no sir, how ever I like women with skinny > legs! > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> > wrote: > > > For the loads imposed on the cabane struts (only about 50 pounds or so, > each), ALMOST any type of wood would likely be sufficient. I wrote the > word "almost" in caps to avoid having anyone following up with wiseguy > suggestions like using spalted burls for the cabanes (well, that's what > I would probably do anyway). > Cabane struts made of Spruce can handle the loads - provided an adequate > cross-section is used, and the connection details are also properly > thought out. > Actually, the connection details are likely more important than the > species of wood used. > Substituting wood cabanes for the streamline steel shown in the plans is > a structural change, so of course, anyone proposing making a change like > this should either do the calculations themselves (if they are > qualified), or have them done by someone who is qualified. Don't mess > with it if you don't know what you're doing. > > I don't have the info at my fingertips, but as I recall, if made of > 4130, the cabanes could be as small as (maybe) 1/2" diameter tube (?) to > carry the loads imposed on them. But they would look stupid. Visually > they would not appear to be correct. > > Bill C. > > s List Un/Subscription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > === > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > a>http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:11:50 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Ryan, >> >> >> Now, that=92s simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching t > he >> archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with skin > ny >> legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell=92s entry, confirming that, at lea > st on >> one point, someone out there agrees with me=85(on the skinny legs part). >> >> > > And you died a little bit inside....it's ok...you can admit it. ;) > > Ryan > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:24:58 AM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > I'm over it now. > > > What concerns me today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver > are > coming over to eat my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have > installed security cameras in my garage, but I cannot account for the > intellectual property they will take. Fortunately, there isn't much! > > > We will finish off the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob > O'Hara's Piet, just a few miles away at the Georgetown airport. > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down.) > > Do not archive > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > Ryan, > > > Now, that's simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the > archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with > skinny > legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least > on > one point, someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs part). > > > And you died a little bit inside....it's ok...you can admit it. ;) > > Ryan > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:27:58 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight axle bungees > From: wizzard187@aol.com > > Does anyone? have any experience in pressing new sleeve bushing?on? > contintal connecting > rods?? I now heating rod and? freezing bushing. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> > Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:34 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight axle bungees > > > Also by the end of the war they weren't putting rubber tires on there > fighters, > > they were steaming wood and making tires out of wood. > > ? > > Russell > > ? > > > ? > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> > wrote: > > > Douwe, > Do you mean the springs were used as bungees? Long springs wrapped in > the same manner as bungees? > I would imagine that set-up would have its own bunch of problems, even > more troublesome than the rubber bungees. > I think the springs would become entangled as they were stretched, > side-by-side, and jostled around, ending up with a tangled mess. > And springs break too - not just bungees. > Do you have one of those photos to share? Just curious as to what it > looked like. > > Bill C. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe > Blumberg > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:11 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle bungees > > --> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > The other day I came across some photos of WWI german airplanes where > the landing gear bungees had been replaced with long coil springs > wrapped around the axle in a similar manner. ?I am assuming this > expedient was due to their rubber shortage, but it set me thinking... > > Though heavier, I wonder if it would work. ?Over the years, I've heard > of two incidents with straight axle gears due to broken bungees. > Stainless steel springs can be had which would virtually eliminate worry > over aging bungees and the headache of replacing them every so often. > > : > tenpol-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol================ > http://forums.mle, List Admin. > === > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:52:19 AM PST US > From: AMsafetyC@aol.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets, > second request got 2 reply's anyone else interested? > > Lemme no > > John > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:07:52 AM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairing attach method > > Charlie, Mike, Jack, Clif, (and anyone else I forgot) > > > Thanks for the replies on the wing fairings! 4 responses, and 4 different > methods.tells me that it's probably not that critical. I won't lose > anymore > sleep over it. > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down.) > > Do not archive > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, > Michael > D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:08 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3-piece wing fairing attach method > > > Gary, > > > I glued little blocks of wood every 3-4" to the plywood-sheeted but rib > ends > and > > CC sheeted ribs with T-88 and then used small flathead wood screws thru my > aluminum > > fairings to attach. Worked fine. > > > Mike C. > > > PS-I considered Velcro for a time but...decided against it. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:25:15 AM PST US > From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood > > Oooooooo Oscar. You are such a poet! > > Stinemetze in "no beaches here" Kansas. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:24:06 AM PST US > From: jeremy bramall <outofthebox50@yahoo.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sort of Piet related > > I always wanted to have a drafting table in my office.- My dad has one in > his office, I should get to have one too right?- I thought of this table > last night.- The top is glass.- The base for the glass will be made fr > om wing ribs and some short spars.- I was thinking of adding the drag/ant > idrag wires inside the wing portion.- The stand will be made similar to a > fuselage.- I was thinking of adding a turtle deck to the back, and makin > g it all from poplar. > - > See what you think.- There is a poor drawing at the bottom of my webpage. > http://www.myaffordaplane.com/other_stuff- It could be a good use for th > ose extra wood and ribs you build that get culled in the end. > - > If you hover over the picture and click the magnifying glass. -It will ge > t a little bigger. > - > Jeremy Bramall > Dallas, TX > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:58 AM PST US > From: <catdesigns@att.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > Gary > > It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got halfway done with the > camera installation and moved on to other things. Be warned, we will be > counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding the numbers. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > Do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Boothe > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > I'm over it now. > > > What concerns me today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike > Weaver are coming over to eat my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! > I have installed security cameras in my garage, but I cannot account for > the intellectual property they will take. Fortunately, there isn't much! > > > We will finish off the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to > Bob O'Hara's Piet, just a few miles away at the Georgetown airport. > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down.) > > Do not archive > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > wrote: > > Ryan, > > > Now, that's simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching > the archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with > skinny legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, > at least on one point, someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny > legs part). > > > And you died a little bit inside....it's ok...you can admit it. ;) > > Ryan > > do not archive > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. > comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:48:22 AM PST US > From: AMsafetyC@aol.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sort of Piet related > > Really neat stuff, I like the table design. I guess I am not too far from > ya, I built a CJ7 for my son with the lift kit and plastic body, a 1973 > MGB > for my wife, rebuilt a few bikes along the way for friends and a place > for > my Daughter to live, an office and a Gelataria and a bunch of computers. > > As far as the enlargement part well I'll have to give that one a try when > I get home, so far not much has really worked in that department plus they > frown on that stuff at work! > > DO not archive > > John > > > In a message dated 10/9/2009 10:24:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > outofthebox50@yahoo.com writes: > > I always wanted to have a drafting table in my office. My dad has one in > his office, I should get to have one too right? I thought of this table > last night. The top is glass. The base for the glass will be made from > wing > > ribs and some short spars. I was thinking of adding the drag/antidrag > wires inside the wing portion. The stand will be made similar to a > fuselage. > > I was thinking of adding a turtle deck to the back, and making it all > from > poplar. > > See what you think. There is a poor drawing at the bottom of my webpage. > _http://www.myaffordaplane.com/other_stuff_ > (http://www.myaffordaplane.com/other_stuff) It could be a good use for > those extra wood and ribs you > build that get culled in the end. > > If you hover over the picture and click the magnifying glass. It will get > a little bigger. > > Jeremy Bramall > Dallas, TX > > > (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) > (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:03:14 AM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > That was cruel & viscous! No soup for you! > > > Do not archive > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > catdesigns@att.net > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:31 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Gary > > > It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got halfway done with the > camera installation and moved on to other things. Be warned, we will be > counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding the numbers. > > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> > > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 AM > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > I'm over it now. > > > What concerns me today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver > are > coming over to eat my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have > installed security cameras in my garage, but I cannot account for the > intellectual property they will take. Fortunately, there isn't much! > > > We will finish off the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob > O'Hara's Piet, just a few miles away at the Georgetown airport. > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down.) > > Do not archive > > > _____ > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > Ryan, > > > Now, that's simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the > archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with > skinny > legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least > on > one point, someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs part). > > > And you died a little bit inside....it's ok...you can admit it. ;) > > Ryan > > do not archive > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic > s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > ________________________________ Message 14 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:46:45 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> > > That's how it goes...one minute you're looking forward to a nice weekend, > next thing you know you are mired in gelatinous goo, having insults hurled > at you. ;) > > No archiving for you! > do not archive > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > >> That was cruel & viscous! No soup for you! >> >> >> Do not archive >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:48:50 AM PST US > From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Hey Gary, let me know if you need some help with this.... > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >>Sent: Oct 9, 2009 7:57 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >>That was cruel & viscous! No soup for you! >> >> >> >>Do not archive >> >> _____ >> >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>catdesigns@att.net >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:31 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >>Gary >> >> >> >>It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got halfway done with the >>camera installation and moved on to other things. Be warned, we will be >>counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding the numbers. >> >> >> >>Chris >>Sacramento, CA >>WestCoastPiet.com >> >> >> >>Do not archive >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> >> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 AM >> >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >>I'm over it now. >> >> >> >>What concerns me today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver >>are >>coming over to eat my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have >>installed security cameras in my garage, but I cannot account for the >>intellectual property they will take. Fortunately, there isn't much! >> >> >> >>We will finish off the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob >>O'Hara's Piet, just a few miles away at the Georgetown airport. >> >> >> >>Gary Boothe >> >>Cool, Ca. >> >>Pietenpol >> >>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >> >>Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> >>(15 ribs down.) >> >>Do not archive >> >> >> _____ >> >> >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan >>Mueller >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >>On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>Ryan, >> >> >> >>Now, that's simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the >>archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with >>skinny >>legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least >>on >>one point, someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs part). >> >> >> >> >>And you died a little bit inside....it's ok...you can admit it. ;) >> >>Ryan >> >>do not archive >> >> >> >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>http://forums.matronics.com >>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic >>s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:34:47 AM PST US > From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood- skinny legs > > > Yeh... I made enough money selling cheap pulp romance > paperbacks that I could finally afford to buy my own > Piet. > > Seriously, though, the airplane insprires flights of > fancy. That and a few glasses of red wine. > > Meanwhile, I do want to mention that the latest edition > of the BPA Newsletter is a good one (and aren't they all?) > so if you aren't subscribed, it's a good old fashioned > read with pictures and everything. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________ Message 17 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:35:00 AM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Jim, > > You mean with the soup? Or the cameras? Or the intellectual property? > > I'm not worried about the soup, 'cause he doesn't get any! The cameras, > maybe, Yes. But here's where I got them, on the intellectual property: > > I used no common sense, good judgment or acceptable building > practices...just let them try to steal my ideas! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down.) > Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:23 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Hey Gary, let me know if you need some help with this.... > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >>Sent: Oct 9, 2009 7:57 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >>That was cruel & viscous! No soup for you! >> >> >> >>Do not archive >> >> _____ >> >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>catdesigns@att.net >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:31 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >>Gary >> >> >> >>It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got halfway done with the >>camera installation and moved on to other things. Be warned, we will be >>counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding the numbers. >> >> >> >>Chris >>Sacramento, CA >>WestCoastPiet.com >> >> >> >>Do not archive >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> >> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 AM >> >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >>I'm over it now. >> >> >> >>What concerns me today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver > are >>coming over to eat my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have >>installed security cameras in my garage, but I cannot account for the >>intellectual property they will take. Fortunately, there isn't much! >> >> >> >>We will finish off the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob >>O'Hara's Piet, just a few miles away at the Georgetown airport. >> >> >> >>Gary Boothe >> >>Cool, Ca. >> >>Pietenpol >> >>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >> >>Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> >>(15 ribs down.) >> >>Do not archive >> >> >> _____ >> >> >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >>On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>Ryan, >> >> >> >>Now, that's simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the >>archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with >>skinny >>legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least > on >>one point, someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs part). >> >> >> >> >>And you died a little bit inside....it's ok...you can admit it. ;) >> >>Ryan >> >>do not archive >> >> >> >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>http://forums.matronics.com >>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni > c >>s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:47:50 AM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sort of Piet related > > John, > > > You give a new meaning to the phrase, "Flying a desk!" Good luck, and I > definitely think you should build that! > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down.) > > Do not archive > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > AMsafetyC@aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sort of Piet related > > > Really neat stuff, I like the table design. I guess I am not too far from > ya, I built a CJ7 for my son with the lift kit and plastic body, a 1973 > MGB > for my wife, rebuilt a few bikes along the way for friends and a place for > my Daughter to live, an office and a Gelataria and a bunch of computers. > > > As far as the enlargement part well I'll have to give that one a try when > I > get home, so far not much has really worked in that department plus they > frown on that stuff at work! > > > DO not archive > > > John > > > In a message dated 10/9/2009 10:24:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > outofthebox50@yahoo.com writes: > > > I always wanted to have a drafting table in my office. My dad has one in > his office, I should get to have one too right? I thought of this table > last night. The top is glass. The base for the glass will be made from > wing ribs and some short spars. I was thinking of adding the > drag/antidrag > wires inside the wing portion. The stand will be made similar to a > fuselage. I was thinking of adding a turtle deck to the back, and making > it > all from poplar. > > > See what you think. There is a poor drawing at the bottom of my webpage. > http://www.myaffordaplane.com/other_stuff It could be a good use for > those > extra wood and ribs you build that get culled in the end. > > > If you hover over the picture and click the magnifying glass. It will get > a > little bigger. > > > Jeremy Bramall > > Dallas, TX > > > ================================== > t > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic > s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ================================== > ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > ================================== > tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ================================== > > > ________________________________ Message 19 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:20:12 AM PST US > From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > HA! My thoughts exactly. > > Hey, there's nothing in my shop that I actually came up with so help > yourself! > Even if I was smart enough to come up with a good idea, there are plenty > out > there better than anything I could EVER come up with! > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >>Sent: Oct 9, 2009 9:31 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >>Jim, >> >>You mean with the soup? Or the cameras? Or the intellectual property? >> >>I'm not worried about the soup, 'cause he doesn't get any! The cameras, >>maybe, Yes. But here's where I got them, on the intellectual property: >> >>I used no common sense, good judgment or acceptable building >>practices...just let them try to steal my ideas! >> >>Gary Boothe >>Cool, Ca. >>Pietenpol >>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >>Tail done, Fuselage on gear >>(15 ribs down.) >>Do not archive >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:23 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >>Hey Gary, let me know if you need some help with this.... >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >>>Sent: Oct 9, 2009 7:57 AM >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >>> >>>That was cruel & viscous! No soup for you! >>> >>> >>> >>>Do not archive >>> >>> _____ >>> >>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>>catdesigns@att.net >>>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:31 AM >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >>> >>> >>> >>>Gary >>> >>> >>> >>>It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got halfway done with the >>>camera installation and moved on to other things. Be warned, we will be >>>counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding the numbers. >>> >>> >>> >>>Chris >>>Sacramento, CA >>>WestCoastPiet.com >>> >>> >>> >>>Do not archive >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> >>> >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> >>>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 AM >>> >>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm over it now. >>> >>> >>> >>>What concerns me today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver >>are >>>coming over to eat my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have >>>installed security cameras in my garage, but I cannot account for the >>>intellectual property they will take. Fortunately, there isn't much! >>> >>> >>> >>>We will finish off the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to >>>Bob >>>O'Hara's Piet, just a few miles away at the Georgetown airport. >>> >>> >>> >>>Gary Boothe >>> >>>Cool, Ca. >>> >>>Pietenpol >>> >>>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >>> >>>Tail done, Fuselage on gear >>> >>>(15 ribs down.) >>> >>>Do not archive >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> >>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan >>Mueller >>>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 AM >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>Ryan, >>> >>> >>> >>>Now, that's simply not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the >>>archives for a correlation between my love of hickory and women with >>>skinny >>>legs. Lo and behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least >>on >>>one point, someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs part). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>And you died a little bit inside....it's ok...you can admit it. ;) >>> >>>Ryan >>> >>>do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>http://forums.matronics.com >>>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni >>c >>>s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:41:25 AM PST US > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> > > > So Jim, you're saying that you were already thinking that Gary used no > common sense, good judgement or acceptable building practices. > > (just stirring the pot on a Friday) > > By the way, Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Markle > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:00 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > --> <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > > HA! My thoughts exactly. > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >>Sent: Oct 9, 2009 9:31 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >>--> <gboothe5@comcast.net> >> >>Jim, >> >>... >>I used no common sense, good judgment or acceptable building >>practices... >> >>Gary Boothe >>Cool, Ca. >>Pietenpol >>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >>Tail done, Fuselage on gear >>(15 ribs down.) > > ________________________________ Message 21 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:55:21 AM PST US > From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > hahahaha, that's great. Well, I wasn't going anywhere NEAR that thought > but...I > like it! I think that will be my final answer.... > > I'm always amazed how I can type a message into an email and be thinking > one thing..... > but go back a re read it and see a totally different message! > > Thanks for the laugh! > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> >>Sent: Oct 9, 2009 1:37 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >>So Jim, you're saying that you were already thinking that Gary used no >>common sense, good judgement or acceptable building practices. >> >>(just stirring the pot on a Friday) >> >>By the way, Do not archive >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >>Markle >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:00 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >>--> <jim_markle@mindspring.com> >> >> >>HA! My thoughts exactly. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >>>Sent: Oct 9, 2009 9:31 AM >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >>> >>>--> <gboothe5@comcast.net> >>> >>>Jim, >>> >>>... >>>I used no common sense, good judgment or acceptable building >>>practices... >>> >>>Gary Boothe >>>Cool, Ca. >>>Pietenpol >>>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >>>Tail done, Fuselage on gear >>>(15 ribs down.) > > > ________________________________ Message 22 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:09:28 PM PST US > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spring Gear > From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> > > Steve, > > Looks like Ryan did my work for me. > Everything he wrote makes sense to me. > > I believe the H-56L is just the new name for H-56. My guess is that the > L stands for Lamina. There was a corporate merger a few years ago, and > Anchor-lamina merged with Danly, to form Anchor-Danly. I think the L was > added to the end of any Lamina part numbers, to easily differentiate > between the Lamina springs and the Danly springs. So, it looks like > there's basically one source for die springs, whether you choose to go > with Lamina or Danly (which is the manufacturer of the springs used by > Hans, as sold by Aircraft Spruce). So, in short, I don't think there's > any signficant difference between the H-56 and the H-56L (except for the > paint job). > As far as I know, the H-56 Lamina springs have been used successfully > for some time for homebuilt aircraft landing gear applications. > One thing to keep in mind, regarding the loading is the geometrical > arrangement of the landing gear, with the springs being applied to > diagonal members. Another thing is the softness of the tires, as > mentioned by Oscar. For some reference, the Flybaby homebuilt relies > solely on the softness of the fat tires for shock absorption. The > Flybaby landing gear is rigid. > > My guess is that Hans' set-up provides a bit stiffer suspension than the > H-56 springs, but that both are quite acceptable. > I would make the slot long enough to permit full compression of whatever > spring you choose to go with. > > Good luck with your progress over the weekend. > > Bill C. > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spring Gear > > > Steve, > > You may want to check with a supplier or distributor of Lamina products, > but I think you may be looking at an outdated catalog. I believe Bill > pulled that page from the most recent catalog, dated May 20, 2008, > available from the Anchor Lamina website: > > http://www.anchorlamina.com/pdf.d/DieMaxDieSprings.pdf > > <http://www.anchorlamina.com/pdf.d/DieMaxDieSprings.pdf> The H56L spring > listed is the only spring shown in any of the current catalogs on the > Anchor Lamina site (that I can find) that is almost identical to the > H-56 listings that I can find in the older catalogs from third party > suppliers websites. Two main differences: they have appended an 'L' to > the part name, and the wire dimensions changed from .225" x .350" for > the H56 to .245" x .328" for the H56L. > > The maximum operating deflection of 1.80" for the H56 that you give is > at 30% of the free length of the spring. The H56L catalog listing does > not give a value for maximum operating deflection at 30% of the free > length; they now consider 28% of the free length to be the maximum > operating deflection, which for the H56L is 1.68". If you compressed the > H56L to 30% of the free length would the deflection increase 0.12"? I > don't know, but I think it's a moot point because it's pretty close, and > because both catalogs make note that the 28/30% max deflection is for > design and informational purposes only; you wouldn't want to be > approaching those values in practical application. As far as the > deflection values at 15% and 20% of free length, they are exactly the > same between the H56 and H56L. > > In a nutshell, it would appear to me that the H56 spring became (or has > been superseded by) the H56L, but thankfully they have almost identical > operating properties according to the catalog. Again, give Anchor Lamina > or a distributor a call to be sure. HTH, > > Ryan > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:19 PM, steven sadler > <steven244sadler@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Bill, > > Thanks for the information. This is an important subject for me > as I intend to finish putting the springs on my landing gear this > weekend. Can you take a look at my information below and see if I have > missed something? > > I think we are looking at different springs. The Lamina H-56 and > H-56L springs are shown in different Lamina catalogs and have slightly > different information. The H-56 springs show a maximum allowable > deflection of 1.80" (not the 1.65" I stated earlier - I misread the > number) at 1.8 * 10 * 58.4 lbs/0.1 inch = 1051 lbs at full deflection. > It is interesting that the H-56L spring shows a fully compressed length > but the H-56 doesn't. The H-56L appears to have a bit more travel and > might actually be a better choice. > > My arithmetic shows, for a 2.18" travel @ 58.4" per 1/10" > travel: 2.18 * 10 * 58.4 = 1273 lbs at full compression. With two > springs, the total available force before bottoming out will be 2500 > lbs+. > > Either way, it looks like a hard landing in a 1200 lb airplane > will probably bottom out the springs. > > Steve in Winnipeg > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Bill Church > <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote: > > > I've attached a JPG image of the Lamina catalog page > that shows the H56 spring data, highlighted. > The maximum recommended operating deflection is 1.68", > but the Max compressed length is 3.82", which means that the spring can > actually compress 6 - 3.82 = 2.18". This is not recommended, but is > possible. > > The H-56 Lamina is the spring called for in the Frank > Pavliga drawing: > > > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=lndg_gear_s > p > ring.jpg&PhotoID 09 > > In that drawing, the arrangement uses a 1/4" diameter > cross-bolt. > There is a note that says the slot should be 1/4" x > length to allow for full compression of spring (2 3/4" for H-56). > Based on the data from the catalog, full compression of > the spring will take 2.18" of travel. Add the diameter of the cross bolt > (0.25") for the minimum slot length: 2.18 + 0.25 = 2.43". So, a 2 > 1/2" > slot would suffice. > > If a slot with length of only 1 3/4" is used with the > H-56 spring, and a 1/4" diameter cross-bolt, the spring will only be > able to compress 1 3/4" - 1/4" = 1 1/2". Based on the catalog data, > the > H-56 spring takes 58.4 pounds per 1/10" of deflection, so the landing > gear will reach the end of the slot at a loading of 876 pounds. That > might not be enough travel. > > But in general, the slot length should be just slightly > longer than the sum of the spring full compression distance plus the > diameter of the cross-bolt (or pin). > > Bill C. > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steven > sadler > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:18 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spring Gear > > > For a Lamina H-56 spring (a common die spring for small > aircraft use), the manufacturer's numbers show a maximum compression of > 1.65". For that spring, there isn't any point in making the slot much > longer than 1 3/4" because the spring will be fully compressed already. > > I am thinking that for any spring, you want the slot > just slightly longer than the spring full compression distance. > > Steve in Winnipeg > > > " > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 23 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:55:05 PM PST US > From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: the "do not archive" option > > I agree with Ryan's post about frivolous (yet perhaps fun, jovial) posts > th > at would merely take up precious > space in the Matronics archives, especially to those searching the > archived > posts looking for solid information > when they have to dredge up a bunch of seaweed with it and sort thru the > BS > and the good. > > And Russell, have you gotten any more of those free Jim Beam hats lately > o > r do you have to have your card > punched so many times at the beverage store before you get the t-shirt > nex > t ? > > Okay-here's a little hint. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > ________________________________ Message 24 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:22:24 PM PST US > From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > John, > If you don't mind a 40 mile detour off I-80 you are welcome to come to > Santa Rosa > and see my Piet under construction. I have the fuselage on wheels, wing > ribs > done, tail surfaces done, engine mount done, and engine about ready to > hang.l > Santa Rosa is North of San Francisco on highway 101 and about 40 miles > West of > I-80 via highway 12. > My address is 3504 BAnyan St and phone is 707-571-8001. > It would be nice to have a visitor and get some constructive comments. > Cheers, > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > On Oct 9, 2009, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > > Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets, > second > request got 2 reply's anyone else interested?Lemme noJohn > > > ________________________________ Message 25 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:22:24 PM PST US > From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Hey Chris and Mike, > Be sure to check out his kitchen remodel job to see if we can't slow him > down. > Swipe some of those 15 ribs or something. > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > On Oct 9, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: > > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > > Gary > > It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got > halfway done with the camera installation and moved on to other things. Be > warned, we will be counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding > the numbers. > > Chris > Sacramento, > CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Gary > Boothe > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 > AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory > wood-skinny legs > > > Im over it > now > > > What concerns me > today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver are coming over > to eat > > my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have installed security > cameras > > in my garage, but I cannot account for the intellectual property they > will > take. Fortunately, there isnt much! > > > We will finish off > the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob OHaras Piet, just > a > few miles away at the Georgetown > airport. > > > Gary > Boothe > > Cool, > Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair > Conversion, mounted > > Tail > done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs > down) > > Do not > archive > > > From: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 > AM > To: > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory > wood-skinny legs > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > Ryan, > > > Now, thats simply > not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the archives for a > correlation between my love of hickory and women with skinny legs. Lo and > behold, there was Russells entry, confirming that, at least on one point, > someone out there agrees with me(on the skinny legs > part). > > > And you died a little bit inside....it's > ok...you can admit it. ;) > > Ryan > > do not > archive > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > ________________________________ Message 26 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:31:41 PM PST US > From: AMsafetyC@aol.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > In a message dated 10/9/2009 4:23:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jimboyer@hughes.net writes: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> > > > John, > If you don't mind a 40 mile detour off I-80 you are welcome to come to > Santa Rosa and see my Piet under construction. I have the fuselage on > wheels, > > wing ribs done, tail surfaces done, engine mount done, and engine about > ready to hang.l > Santa Rosa is North of San Francisco on highway 101 and about 40 miles > West of I-80 via highway 12. > My address is 3504 BAnyan St and phone is 707-571-8001. > It would be nice to have a visitor and get some constructive comments. > Cheers, > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > On Oct 9, 2009, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > > Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets, > second request got 2 reply's anyone else interested? Lemme no John > > > ________________________________ Message 27 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:39:04 PM PST US > From: Dave and Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the "do not archive" option > > > I am looking at restarting an old project and have been closely reading > posts and doing a lot of searching lately. One problem that I have seen > with Do Not Archive is that it appears in a lot of posts that contain > information that should be in the archives. Some posters seem to almost > have it in their signatures. > > Dave > > > ________________________________ Message 28 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:56:39 PM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > Hold the phone! You have her on the gear? Let's see some pics!! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down) > Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > John, > If you don't mind a 40 mile detour off I-80 you are welcome to come to > Santa > Rosa and see my Piet under construction. I have the fuselage on wheels, > wing > ribs done, tail surfaces done, engine mount done, and engine about ready > to > hang.l > Santa Rosa is North of San Francisco on highway 101 and about 40 miles > West > of I-80 via highway 12. > My address is 3504 BAnyan St and phone is 707-571-8001. > It would be nice to have a visitor and get some constructive comments. > Cheers, > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > On Oct 9, 2009, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > > Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets, > second request got 2 reply's anyone else interested?Lemme noJohn > > > ________________________________ Message 29 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:22:42 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the "do not archive" option > From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> > > Dave, > If that is the case, then that is no problem with the 'do not archive' > tag, > that would just be an issue with the person posting. If you see someone > putting a 'do not archive' tag on a message that you feel contains > valuable > information, you can always repost that information yourself for inclusion > in the archives. On a side note, the archives contain lots of information > going back at least 13 years now. Quite possibly some of the stuff you are > referring to has already been hashed/rehashed out in the past.... > > Ryan > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Dave and Connie > <dmatt@frontiernet.net>wrote: > >> dmatt@frontiernet.net> >> >> I am looking at restarting an old project and have been closely reading >> posts and doing a lot of searching lately. One problem that I have seen >> with Do Not Archive is that it appears in a lot of posts that contain >> information that should be in the archives. Some posters seem to almost >> have it in their signatures. >> >> Dave >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 30 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:04:17 PM PST US > From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> > Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > Just had to send it to you; i.e. ask and you shall receive. I've got all > th > e fuselage fittings off as I am sanding and varnishing the inside of the > co > ckpits. Then paint all the control sticks, etc before mounting them again. > Notice I still have the price tag on the tailwheel; I may leave it there > al > a Minnie Pearl. > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > On Oct 9, 2009, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Hold the phone! You have her on the gear? Let's see some pics!! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down=C2=85) > Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > John, > If you don't mind a 40 mile detour off I-80 you are welcome to come to > Sant > a > Rosa and see my Piet under construction. I have the fuselage on wheels, > win > g > ribs done, tail surfaces done, engine mount done, and engine about ready > to > hang.l > Santa Rosa is North of San Francisco on highway 101 and about 40 miles > West > of I-80 via highway 12. > My address is 3504 BAnyan St and phone is 707-571-8001. > It would be nice to have a visitor and get some constructive comments. > Cheers, > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > On Oct 9, 2009, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > > Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets, > second request=C2- got 2 reply's anyone else interested?=C2-Lemme no=C2 > -John > > > ________________________________ Message 31 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:17:43 PM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > Jim, > > It's just about time!!! You must be excited! > > I have to ask, though: What's wrong with your camera? I notice that your > pictures are getting fuzzy, or do I need a new prescription? > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down) > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:02 PM > Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > Just had to send it to you; i.e. ask and you shall receive. I've got all > the > fuselage fittings off as I am sanding and varnishing the inside of the > cockpits. Then paint all the control sticks, etc before mounting them > again. > Notice I still have the price tag on the tailwheel; I may leave it there > ala > Minnie Pearl. > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > On Oct 9, 2009, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Hold the phone! You have her on the gear? Let's see some pics!! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down) > Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? > > > John, > If you don't mind a 40 mile detour off I-80 you are welcome to come to > Santa > Rosa and see my Piet under construction. I have the fuselage on wheels, > wing > ribs done, tail surfaces done, engine mount done, and engine about ready > to > hang.l > Santa Rosa is North of San Francisco on highway 101 and about 40 miles > West > of I-80 via highway 12. > My address is 3504 BAnyan St and phone is 707-571-8001. > It would be nice to have a visitor and get some constructive comments. > Cheers, > Jim B. > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > On Oct 9, 2009, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > > Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets, > second request got 2 reply's anyone else interested?Lemme noJohn > > > ________________________________ Message 32 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:38:54 PM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > Jim, > > > Sure wish you hadn't of said that. Here's my garage when they arrived: > > > Here's how it looked when they left: > > > I'm still trying to figure out what's missing.. > > > .and I thought we were having such fun! Chris Tracy on my right wing, Mike > Weaver on my left wing. > > > We got to go to Georgetown Airport(E36) and see Bob O'Hara's nice Piet. He > is actually one of three owner/builders. > > > C-85 > > Piper Colt gear (reversed).and, NO, that is not a GN-1! They did some > interesting reinforcing for that rear gear leg! > > > Incidentally, Bob's so old he remembers when they invented dirt, still > flies!! > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down.) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Hey Chris and Mike, > > Be sure to check out his kitchen remodel job to see if we can't slow him > down. Swipe some of those 15 ribs or something. > > Jim B. > > > Jim Boyer > > Santa Rosa, CA > > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > > On Oct 9, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: > > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > > Gary > > > It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got > > halfway done with the camera installation and moved on to other things. Be > > warned, we will be counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding > > the numbers. > > > Chris > > Sacramento, > > CA > > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Gary > > Boothe > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 > > AM > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory > > wood-skinny legs > > > I'm over it > > now. > > > What concerns me > > today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver are coming over > to > eat > > my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have installed security > cameras > > in my garage, but I cannot account for the intellectual property they > will > > > take. Fortunately, there isn't much! > > > We will finish off > > the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob O'Hara's Piet, > just a > > few miles away at the Georgetown > > airport. > > > Gary > > Boothe > > > Cool, > > Ca. > > > Pietenpol > > > WW Corvair > > Conversion, mounted > > > Tail > > done, Fuselage on gear > > > (15 ribs > > down.) > > > Do not > > archive > > > From: > > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 > > AM > > To: > > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory > > wood-skinny legs > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > Ryan, > > > Now, that's simply > > not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the archives for a > > correlation between my love of hickory and women with skinny legs. Lo and > > behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least on one > point, > > > someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs > > part). > > > And you died a little bit inside....it's > > ok...you can admit it. ;) > > > Ryan > > > do not > > archive > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/ > Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics > .comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribu > tion > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic > s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > ________________________________ Message 33 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:12:33 PM PST US > From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> > Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > cool pictures. Looks like you guys had some fun.... > > So is the valve cover crooked a bit in your corvair picture (starboard > side) or > is that just the photo distortion? Looks like the bottom is tilted > outward a > bit.... > > Sure is encouraging to see completed and progressing Air Campers! > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >>Sent: Oct 9, 2009 7:37 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >>Jim, >> >> >> >>Sure wish you hadn't of said that. Here's my garage when they arrived: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Here's how it looked when they left: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I'm still trying to figure out what's missing.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>.and I thought we were having such fun! Chris Tracy on my right wing, Mike >>Weaver on my left wing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>We got to go to Georgetown Airport(E36) and see Bob O'Hara's nice Piet. He >>is actually one of three owner/builders. >> >> >> >>C-85 >> >>Piper Colt gear (reversed).and, NO, that is not a GN-1! They did some >>interesting reinforcing for that rear gear leg! >> >> >> >>Incidentally, Bob's so old he remembers when they invented dirt, still >>flies!! >> >> >> >>Gary Boothe >> >>Cool, Ca. >> >>Pietenpol >> >>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >> >>Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> >>(15 ribs down.) >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:22 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hey Chris and Mike, >> >>Be sure to check out his kitchen remodel job to see if we can't slow him >>down. Swipe some of those 15 ribs or something. >> >>Jim B. >> >> >> >>Jim Boyer >> >>Santa Rosa, CA >> >>Pietenpol builder with Corvair >> >> >> >>On Oct 9, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v >> >>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o >> >>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w >> >>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 >> >>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Gary >> >> >> >>It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got >> >>halfway done with the camera installation and moved on to other things. Be >> >>warned, we will be counting those ribs just to make sure your not padding >> >>the numbers. >> >> >> >>Chris >> >>Sacramento, >> >>CA >> >>WestCoastPiet.com >> >> >> >>Do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: >> >> Gary >> >> Boothe >> >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> >> >> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 >> >> AM >> >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory >> >> wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm over it >> >> now. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What concerns me >> >> today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver are coming over >> to >>eat >> >> my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have installed security >>cameras >> >> in my garage, but I cannot account for the intellectual property they >> will >> >> >> take. Fortunately, there isn't much! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We will finish off >> >> the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob O'Hara's Piet, >>just a >> >> few miles away at the Georgetown >> >> airport. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary >> >> Boothe >> >> >> >> Cool, >> >> Ca. >> >> >> >> Pietenpol >> >> >> >> WW Corvair >> >> Conversion, mounted >> >> >> >> Tail >> >> done, Fuselage on gear >> >> >> >> (15 ribs >> >> down.) >> >> >> >> Do not >> >> archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: >> >> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan >>Mueller >> >>Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 >> >> AM >> >>To: >> >> pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory >> >> wood-skinny legs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ryan, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Now, that's simply >> >> not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the archives for a >> >> correlation between my love of hickory and women with skinny legs. Lo >> and >> >> behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least on one >> point, >> >> >> someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs >> >> part). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And you died a little bit inside....it's >> >> ok...you can admit it. ;) >> >> >> >>Ryan >> >> >> >>do not >> >> archive >> >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/ >>Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics >>.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribu >>tion >> >> >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic >>s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 34 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:02:36 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> > > Jim, > > I believe you are correct. There is more of a gap to the south than there > is > to the north. I would posit two theories: Gary was showing off his > immaculate valve train to his guests and forgot to tighten, and they > promptly absconded with his entire project, or Gary is going to pull the > covers to set the lifters before his first start. > > Gary, I see you have the carb mounting pads still on the cylinders...what > are you doing for your intake setup? (I don't recall) > > Have a good night, > > Ryan > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Jim Markle > <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote: > >> jim_markle@mindspring.com> >> >> cool pictures. Looks like you guys had some fun.... >> >> So is the valve cover crooked a bit in your corvair picture (starboard >> side) or is that just the photo distortion? Looks like the bottom is >> tilted >> outward a bit.... >> >> Sure is encouraging to see completed and progressing Air Campers! >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >> >Sent: Oct 9, 2009 7:37 PM >> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> > >> >Jim, >> > >> > >> > >> >Sure wish you hadn't of said that. Here's my garage when they arrived: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Here's how it looked when they left: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >I'm still trying to figure out what's missing.. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >.and I thought we were having such fun! Chris Tracy on my right wing, >> >Mike >> >Weaver on my left wing. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >We got to go to Georgetown Airport(E36) and see Bob O'Hara's nice Piet. >> >He >> >is actually one of three owner/builders. >> > >> > >> > >> >C-85 >> > >> >Piper Colt gear (reversed).and, NO, that is not a GN-1! They did some >> >interesting reinforcing for that rear gear leg! >> > >> > >> > >> >Incidentally, Bob's so old he remembers when they invented dirt, still >> >flies!! >> > >> > >> > >> >Gary Boothe >> > >> >Cool, Ca. >> > >> >Pietenpol >> > >> >WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >> > >> >Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> > >> >(15 ribs down.) >> > >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:22 PM >> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Hey Chris and Mike, >> > >> >Be sure to check out his kitchen remodel job to see if we can't slow him >> >down. Swipe some of those 15 ribs or something. >> > >> >Jim B. >> > >> > >> > >> >Jim Boyer >> > >> >Santa Rosa, CA >> > >> >Pietenpol builder with Corvair >> > >> > >> > >> >On Oct 9, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v >> > >> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o >> > >> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w >> > >> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 >> > >> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Gary >> > >> > >> > >> >It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got >> > >> >halfway done with the camera installation and moved on to other things. >> >Be >> > >> >warned, we will be counting those ribs just to make sure your not >> >padding >> > >> >the numbers. >> > >> > >> > >> >Chris >> > >> >Sacramento, >> > >> >CA >> > >> >WestCoastPiet.com >> > >> > >> > >> >Do not archive >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > From: >> > >> > Gary >> > >> > Boothe >> > >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 >> > >> > AM >> > >> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory >> > >> > wood-skinny legs >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I'm over it >> > >> > now. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > What concerns me >> > >> > today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver are coming >> > over >> to >> >eat >> > >> > my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have installed security >> >cameras >> > >> > in my garage, but I cannot account for the intellectual property they >> will >> > >> > >> > take. Fortunately, there isn't much! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > We will finish off >> > >> > the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob O'Hara's Piet, >> >just a >> > >> > few miles away at the Georgetown >> > >> > airport. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Gary >> > >> > Boothe >> > >> > >> > >> > Cool, >> > >> > Ca. >> > >> > >> > >> > Pietenpol >> > >> > >> > >> > WW Corvair >> > >> > Conversion, mounted >> > >> > >> > >> > Tail >> > >> > done, Fuselage on gear >> > >> > >> > >> > (15 ribs >> > >> > down.) >> > >> > >> > >> > Do not >> > >> > archive >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: >> > >> > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> > >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan >> >Mueller >> > >> >Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 >> > >> > AM >> > >> >To: >> > >> > pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> > >> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory >> > >> > wood-skinny legs >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Ryan, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Now, that's simply >> > >> > not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the archives for a >> > >> > correlation between my love of hickory and women with skinny legs. Lo >> and >> > >> > behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least on one >> point, >> > >> > >> > someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs >> > >> > part). >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >And you died a little bit inside....it's >> > >> > ok...you can admit it. ;) >> > >> > >> > >> >Ryan >> > >> > >> > >> >do not >> > >> > archive >> > >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> >> http://www.matronics.com/ >> >Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com"> >> http://forums.matronics >> >.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution"> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribu >> >tion >> > >> > >> > >> >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> >> http://www.matronic >> >s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > >> >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> > >> >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 35 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:06:18 PM PST US > From: <catdesigns@att.net> > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > Jim, > > Here is a picture I found in Gary's security camera. If you look closely > you can see Mike making a few helpful adjustments to Gary valve cover > just as Gary seems to notice. Good thing I accidentally found the camera > in the trunk of the car when I got home or he might think we were up to > no good. I spoke to his wife about the kitchen remodel but Gary had > recently bought her silence with a bunch of quilting supplies. I think > it's hopeless to slow him down. We are just going to have to build > faster. This new kid on the block must not fly before us! If so we > will have wasted 8 years of procrastination and excuses. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Do NOT Archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Boothe > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:37 PM > Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Jim, > > > Sure wish you hadn't of said that. Here's my garage when they arrived: > > > Here's how it looked when they left: > > > I'm still trying to figure out what's missing.. > > > .and I thought we were having such fun! Chris Tracy on my right wing, > Mike Weaver on my left wing. > > > ________________________________ Message 36 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:22:54 PM PST US > From: <catdesigns@att.net> > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > I highly recommend you all go to Gary's house. Not only does he > generously loan you lots of stuff from his garage but he feeds you lunch > and chauffeurs you around as well. His low cost Poplarpol is coming > along nicely and I am currious to see how the weight compairs to my high > cost Sprucenpol. > > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > Do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Boothe > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:37 PM > Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Jim, > > > Sure wish you hadn't of said that. Here's my garage when they arrived: > > > Here's how it looked when they left: > > > I'm still trying to figure out what's missing.. > > > .and I thought we were having such fun! Chris Tracy on my right wing, > Mike Weaver on my left wing. > > > We got to go to Georgetown Airport(E36) and see Bob O'Hara's nice > Piet. He is actually one of three owner/builders. > > > C-85 > > Piper Colt gear (reversed).and, NO, that is not a GN-1! They did some > interesting reinforcing for that rear gear leg! > > > Incidentally, Bob's so old he remembers when they invented dirt, still > flies!! > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, Ca. > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > (15 ribs down.) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:22 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory wood-skinny legs > > > Hey Chris and Mike, > > Be sure to check out his kitchen remodel job to see if we can't slow > him down. Swipe some of those 15 ribs or something. > > Jim B. > > > Jim Boyer > > Santa Rosa, CA > > Pietenpol builder with Corvair > > > On Oct 9, 2009, catdesigns@att.net wrote: > > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 > > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"> > > > Gary > > > It should be easy pickings as I'm betting you got > > halfway done with the camera installation and moved on to other > things. Be > > warned, we will be counting those ribs just to make sure your not > padding > > the numbers. > > > Chris > > Sacramento, > > CA > > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Gary > > Boothe > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:20 > > AM > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hickory > > wood-skinny legs > > > I'm over it > > now. > > > What concerns me > > today is that Piet builders Chris Tracy and Mike Weaver are coming > over to eat > > my food, drink my beer and steal my tools! I have installed security > cameras > > in my garage, but I cannot account for the intellectual property > they will > > take. Fortunately, there isn't much! > > > We will finish off > > the day on a positive note, though, with a visit to Bob O'Hara's > Piet, just a > > few miles away at the Georgetown > > airport. > > > Gary > > Boothe > > > Cool, > > Ca. > > > Pietenpol > > > WW Corvair > > Conversion, mounted > > > Tail > > done, Fuselage on gear > > > (15 ribs > > down.) > > > Do not > > archive > > > From: > > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:11 > > AM > > To: > > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hickory > > wood-skinny legs > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > Ryan, > > > Now, that's simply > > not true! Why, just the other day, I was searching the archives for > a > > correlation between my love of hickory and women with skinny legs. > Lo and > > behold, there was Russell's entry, confirming that, at least on one > point, > > someone out there agrees with me.(on the skinny legs > > part). > > > And you died a little bit inside....it's > > ok...you can admit it. ;) > > > Ryan > > > do not > > archive > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.c > om/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.mat > ronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com > /contribution > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat > ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > >


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    Time: 05:24:12 PM PST US
    From: "jim" <quinnj@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Substitute for mahogany plywood
    What is an acceptable substitute for 1/8" mahogany plywood for the fuselage? Can't find it locally (Milwaukee) and shipping from AC Spruce is outrageous. Thanks, Jim


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    Time: 05:43:03 PM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: firewall material
    I'll say it is sharp! A few months ago I was working on firewall and dropped it . . . it slid across the back of my knee/calf. 12 stitches later, I had to call in sick and miss a four-day trip, no fun stretching into cramped cockpit with stitches in knee! Gene do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe<mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: firewall material Yes, and as I recall, Gene, the edges can be sharp! Especially when the wind picks up the whole piece! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-ser ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:16 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: firewall material galvanized is very cheap and very easy to work. I wish I could afford stainless, but always end up using galvanized. did I mention that it was cheap?? Gene do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe<mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: firewall material Oscar, Yes, it is galvanized. If I had more money, or if I wasn't so frugal-minded (thanks, Dad), I might have sprung for SS. This material was left over from an abandoned 601 project. I thought it would be a chore to shape it, as all the sheet metal work I have done has been with aluminum. The process I used was exactly like making aluminum ribs. I was especially, and pleasantly, surprised at how easy galvanized bends!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:08 AM To: Pietenpol List Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall material <taildrags@hotmail.com> Gary; is your firewall fabricated from galvanized sheet metal? I like the look of it on older planes. Ernie Moreno's airplane has a galvanized firewall. Not sure how it works out weight-wise to the other choices; I made the new firewall on 41CC from stainless and while it's very attractive, it shows every tiny oil smudge and fingerprint. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 05:56:41 PM PST US
    From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: tailwheel springs
    Sonex runs a direct linkage and uses a round spring Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel springs > From: skellflyer1@yahoo.com > Date: Sat=2C 10 Oct 2009 06:06:03 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > oo.com> > > I just quickly scanned the answers but didn't see what I would say is a b ig reason- if you are running the leaf type tail spring like I am-as it fla ttens out it will get longer and if you have no springs in there to give it some relief something is going to give. might not notice it at the time bu t who knows what damage could occur? maybe a cracked rudder=2Cbent control horn or such? Raymond > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267328#267328 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > =0A _________________________________________________________________=0A Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.=0A


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    Time: 06:54:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
    From: Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>
    Okume, also a direct sub is meranti, Meranti is almost the same strength to weight and okume is lighter and not quite as strong. I bought baltic birch that is three ply, the outer ply's are perfect no knots no imperfections, I can't see the inner ply however bending shows no voids or inclination to change bend radius at a splice. This wasn't sold to me as having water proof glue however I have soaked in in the bath tub 1 week, took it out smashed it with a hammer it failed in the grain not glue lamination line, I then took the remaining pieces and placed them out side where it rained one week the sun shined and then it rained another week, I then place the plywood in the oven at 170 for three days, still no DE lamination, I then tried the old hammer trick, no fail. I think this is more abuse and water than it will experience on a plane so there fore I'm using it. 20 dollars for a 5'x5' sheet, the shock resistance of birch is WOW, but then it's heavier, I would not use luan or regular ply that has gaps in the inner ply. Also you can and I have gone to lumber supply and hardware places and get door skins, you can pick them up cheap where a door has been accidental damaged. This was done on the original Bowers Fly Baby or at least so I've heard that it was built with door skins. Russell Russell On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM, jim <quinnj@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > What is an acceptable substitute for 1/8" mahogany plywood for the > fuselage? Can't find it locally (Milwaukee) and shipping from AC Spruce is > outrageous. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 06:55:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: tailwheel springs
    From: Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com>
    Yeah the champ I used to fly broke a spring, we were lucky no damge. I have a spring off a frieght harbor trailer but I don't know, I could also use the setup with the coil spring don't know the pros and cons between the two spring types. I have a motorcycle savage yard close and plenty of springs of the correct tension and probably would not break? Wonder what the weight comparison is? Russell On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>wrote: > Sonex runs a direct linkage and uses a round spring > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel springs > > From: skellflyer1@yahoo.com > > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:06:03 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > skellflyer1@yahoo.com> > > > > I just quickly scanned the answers but didn't see what I would say is a > big reason- if you are running the leaf type tail spring like I am-as it > flattens out it will get longer and if you have no springs in there to give > it some relief something is going to give. might not notice it at the time > but who knows what damage could occur? maybe a cracked rudder,bent control > horn or such? Raymond > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267328#267328 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Free, tru84/direct/01/' target='_new'>Get it now. > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 07:21:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Vi Kapler's Piets
    From: "dwilson" <marwilson@charter.net>
    I am sure that Vi has one inch of dihedral. He stretched a string from wingtip to wingtip along the front spar and there is 1 inch at the center. Yes it is a one piece wing and he used his cast aluminum hinges for the rudder and elevator. I believe his aileron hinges are built to plans. The craftsmanship must really be seen to be appreciated. Ask him how he removed his completed wing from his basement workshop! Dan Wilson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267422#267422


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    Time: 07:25:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Jim, Have you tried contacting McCormick Lumber in Madison? They are known for being a source of aircraft quality spruce and plywood....it's aircraft quality, it's just not certified, so it's not as expensive as actual certified aircraft wood/plywood. Madison, as you know, is not too far away for you. http://www.mccormicklumber.com/ (608) 244-4741 Ryan On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:23 PM, jim <quinnj@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > What is an acceptable substitute for 1/8" mahogany plywood for the > fuselage? Can't find it locally (Milwaukee) and shipping from AC Spruce is > outrageous. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 07:38:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
    From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9@countryspeed.com>
    Jim, McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some there a few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its good stuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage but they only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn't match up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for 1/4" Okume. They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly. Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easily enough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forget it. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thicker spar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuff they had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths. Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267425#267425


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    Time: 07:46:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
    From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9@countryspeed.com>
    Jim, McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some there a few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its good stuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage but they only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn't match up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for 1/4" Okume. They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly. Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easily enough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forget it. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thicker spar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuff they had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths. Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267428#267428


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    Time: 07:49:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
    From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9@countryspeed.com>
    Jim, McCormick Lumber in Madison carries 1/8" Okume in 4x8 sheets. I bought some there a few months ago and paid around $75 a sheet. Its marine grade, so its good stuff. I wanted to get some 1/4" Okume for the bottom of the fuselage but they only had Meranti. Nice plywood but it is darker than Okume and wouldn't match up well with the fuselage sides. I wound up going to Wicks Aircraft for 1/4" Okume. They also carry sitka spruce, about $9.00 a board foot, if I remember correctly. Its rough sawn, about 1 1/16" thick so you can plane it down to 3/4" easily enough, if you're making spars that size. If you're making 1" spars, forget it. Not enough there that you can plane down. I asked them about getting thicker spar material and they said there was not much demand for it. The stuff they had there was nice though, very straight grained, and in 16'-20' lengths. Their web site is: www.mccormicklumber.com and you can reach them at (608)244-4741. Good luck. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267429#267429


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    Time: 07:54:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Substitute for mahogany plywood
    From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9@countryspeed.com>
    Jim, I see that Ryan and I agree. Hey Ryan, I didn't get a harumph out of you. Harumph! Harumph! Paul Oh yeah, do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267430#267430


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    Time: 11:06:10 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: tailwheel springs
    Apples and oranges. As has been noted, with our type of standard, curved springs, the wheel moves further aft as it moves upward. The Sonex spring is a long straight bar, parallel with the cables that does NOT get longer with weight on it.Hence, no need for the springs. Clif Sonex runs a direct linkage and uses a round spring Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio




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