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1. 04:54 AM - Re: Fall flying (H RULE)
2. 05:18 AM - Re: website to journal Piet build (H RULE)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: Quiet (TulsaFlyer)
4. 09:07 AM - Fall flying (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 09:53 AM - Re: Quiet (K5YAC)
6. 10:21 AM - Re: Vi Kapler's Piets (dwilson)
7. 10:23 AM - Re: Fall flying (mike)
8. 11:23 AM - Fall flying (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 11:23 AM - Vi Kapler's Piets (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Fall flying (Jeff Boatright)
11. 12:27 PM - Fall flying (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 12:53 PM - Re: Fall flying (Jeff Boatright)
13. 01:25 PM - Re: Forward Visibility (Wayne Bressler)
14. 02:36 PM - New to the list. (coxwelljon)
15. 02:52 PM - Re: New to the list. (Gary Boothe)
16. 03:50 PM - Re: New to the list. (Dick N.)
17. 03:57 PM - Re: New to the list. (Tim Willis)
18. 05:09 PM - Re: New to the list. (coxwelljon)
19. 05:34 PM - Re: New to the list. (coxwelljon)
20. 06:06 PM - Re: website to journal Piet build (swamppilot)
21. 06:07 PM - Re: website to journal Piet build (swamppilot)
22. 06:31 PM - any GN-1 builders (bryan green)
23. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: New to the list. (Gary Boothe)
24. 06:32 PM - Re: New to the list. (bryan green)
25. 06:38 PM - Re: website to journal Piet build (coxwelljon)
26. 06:43 PM - Re: any GN-1 builders (coxwelljon)
27. 06:52 PM - Re: New to the list. (coxwelljon)
28. 07:29 PM - Re: any GN-1 builders (ALAN LYSCARS)
29. 07:50 PM - New to the list (Oscar Zuniga)
30. 07:58 PM - Re: Fall flying (Clif Dawson)
31. 08:26 PM - Re: any GN-1 builders (coxwelljon)
32. 08:33 PM - Re: New to the list (coxwelljon)
33. 09:39 PM - Re: Re: Re: Western Piets availabele next week? (Jim)
34. 09:53 PM - Re: Forward Visibility (Clif Dawson)
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Great stuff;I wish I could do the same but even if I did have mine in runni
ng order it would be so cold that like Wap May, when I pulled my scarf off
my lips would come with it.LOL!=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________
____________________=0AFrom: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pieten
pol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, October 12, 2009 8:57:17 PM=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-List: Fall flying=0A=0A=0AHello Fellers, =0AI was glad to- get
in an hour of flying on sunday evening after work, but it was chilly.- It
was about 50-55 degrees or so, and not much wind so I had to go.- I flew
over to say hi to a friend of mine, and my low pass brought him and his wi
fe and the kids out from the dinner table-to wave and wait for a second p
ass.- He lives out in farm country away from pretty much any thing but co
rn and bean fields, so there is not to much to run into except the occasion
al stray cell tower.- After the 20 mile flight over my face was cold and
numb, so I figured I would go home and shoot a few landings.- On the way
home I saw a bunch of farmers cutting off their beans, and a couple of hot
air balloons off in the distance.-I was-flying along at 500 ft, watchin
g the shadows grow longer and seeing the trees change color in the sinking
sun, I completly forgot about my face being cold.- After my 1st wheel lan
ding touch and go, I flew out made a 180 and landed long
the oppisite direction to cut down on my taxi back to my hanger.- I had
planned on making that the last landing, but the sky was so calm and clear
that I had to turn around and go around once more, before the daylight was
completly gone.- I don't get to fly as much as I did last year, before I
was a father, but I can't wait untill he is old enough to fly around with m
e and see the beauty of a cool fall afternoon,-on the loud, windy magic c
arpet that is the Pietenpol.=0A=0AShad =0A_________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: website to journal Piet build |
The son of the builder of my plane got hold of me.Just for the hell of it,
he googled his fathers name and it came up in an RAA magazine here in Canad
a.He had never seen the completed aircraft and wanted to see it flying.He l
ooked at the aircraft and after peeking inside the fusalage he said all the
smell brought back memories of when he was a boy crawling through the fusy
running the cables and installing the pullies.After he seen it fly and too
k all the pictures he wanted, he said it completed a life long dream to see
her completed and flying.She was started way back in 77 and completed in 2
005 and she flys like a dream.SNOOP DOG GN-1 Aircamper C-IOVC started by Ge
orge Uranick of Perth Ontario Canada,sold to Robert Greyham of Manotick Ont
ario and then sold to me.Snoop dog with Snoopy painted on the tail- looki
ng like Sherlock Homes with that hat and magnifying glass because George wa
s an Ontario Provincial Policeman attached to the Snoop division-
before he passed away.The work those men did and the ones that helped me c
omplete it are all mentioned in the RAA magazine.Guys like George Uranick,R
obert Greyham,Tom Bennate and Bob Moorhead. Crafts men, that if they had no
t been there for me, I doubt if Snoop would be flying today.These guys real
ly know their stuff.I'm just a flyboy myself.My wife told me after seeing a
bird house I'd made, said they won't go in that, and they didn't.That's ho
w good I am at building anything.--=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________
___________=0AFrom: "amsafetyc@aol.com" <amsafetyc@aol.com>=0ATo: Pietenpol
builders Board <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, October 12, 200
9 7:26:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: website to journal Piet build
=0A=0AHaving a build buddy that happens to be your son brings with it good
times, great memories and a deeper and richer relationship for both to shar
e for years to come. =0A=0AJohn=0A=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lis
t=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref
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Hey Mark,
Your logo was kinda' messed up so I fixed it for you. :D
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Here's a shot of our oldest grandson Brandon sitting
in 41CC. Tell me he's not enjoying himself:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/brandon_003.jpg
The only problem was, he thought it was a jet, or at
least that's what it sounded like when he "flew" the
airplane.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Haaaa ha ha! Well see about that.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Vi Kapler's Piets |
Vi says the dihedral is one inch. The Pietenpol Aircamper located at the Pioneer
Museum in Oshkosh has two inches of dihedral. Vi stated that Bernard thought
that was too much. It also has only 1/4 inch washout instead of 3/8 that Vi
used to rig his wing.
DW
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Doggone it Oscar, I'm already motivated. Stop throwing kerosene on the
fire.
(My oldest grandson can't see over the cockpit coaming yet so I have a
little breathing space.)
Mike Hardaway
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fall flying
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Here's a shot of our oldest grandson Brandon sitting in 41CC. Tell me he's
not enjoying himself:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/brandon_003.jpg
The only problem was, he thought it was a jet, or at least that's what it
sounded like when he "flew" the airplane.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Mike wrote:
>My oldest grandson can't see over the cockpit coaming yet
>so I have a little breathing space.
All taildragger pilots can tell you that you don't need to
be able to see over the cockpit coaming, and the Ford Piet
guys don't get to see straight ahead any of the time due to
the radiator anyway.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Vi Kapler's Piets |
dwilson wrote-
>It also has only 1/4 inch washout instead of 3/8 that
>Vi used to rig his wing.
Shoot... my Piet building ruler doesn't even have fractions
that small, my eyes can't see 'em even if they were there,
and I'll bet the plane doesn't know the difference ;o)
Beautiful, classic Air Campers. And I do like the look
with minimal dihedral even though 41CC has about 3" of it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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It's all them fancy gauges that fooled him, Oscar. Whut are they fer?
>
>
>Here's a shot of our oldest grandson Brandon sitting
>in 41CC. Tell me he's not enjoying himself:
>
>http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/brandon_003.jpg
>
>The only problem was, he thought it was a jet, or at
>least that's what it sounded like when he "flew" the
>airplane.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
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Jeff asked-
>It's all them fancy gauges that fooled him, Oscar.
>Whut are they fer?
Well, I got me a mock-meter on the far left. It
tells me how close I'm flyin' to the speed of sound.
Then next to it I got me an exhaust gas analyzer to
tell me if the water injection system needs to be
backed off or if it's set just right. Above that is
the visual approach slope indicator, which I don't
need to explain to such a sharp gent as yourself.
To the right of it is the tomfoolerimeter, which goes
from green to yellow as my credibility level drops,
and it's set to sound a 'harumph' if the needle keeps
climbing from yellow into the red.
Last, but not least, on the far right of the panel is
the gauge that tells me when it's Miller time. It
has an adjustable bug that allows me to set it to any
value that I want, but I have the threshold set pretty
low at the moment because my Dad always cautioned me,
"never pass a waterhole, because the next one might be dry."
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Heh - water injection system. Sounds like something the passenger
does on any number of my landings... <:-|
>
>
>Jeff asked-
>
>>It's all them fancy gauges that fooled him, Oscar.
>>Whut are they fer?
>
>Well, I got me a mock-meter on the far left. It
>tells me how close I'm flyin' to the speed of sound.
>Then next to it I got me an exhaust gas analyzer to
>tell me if the water injection system needs to be
>backed off or if it's set just right.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Forward Visibility |
"Forward visibility is a luxury, not a right.". -me
I'm sure you've all seen examples of this on the past, but a few
examples come immediately to mind:
Laird Super Solution
Spirit of St Louis
Corben Super Ace
Most Taildraggers in the 3-point attitude.
Not that I'm suggesting it's a good idea (which it isn't), or even
that I like the idea (which I don't), but has anyone ever put a
nosewheel on a Piet? I know they've done if on the Champ, the folks
who sell the Baby Ace have disfigured their airframe in this manner,
and even aviation legend Steve Wittman put a nose gear on a Tailwind,
but I don't personally know of anyone who has done this to an Aircamper.
Gross...
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
>
> Mike wrote:
>
>> My oldest grandson can't see over the cockpit coaming yet
>> so I have a little breathing space.
>
> All taildragger pilots can tell you that you don't need to
> be able to see over the cockpit coaming, and the Ford Piet
> guys don't get to see straight ahead any of the time due to
> the radiator anyway.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | New to the list. |
Hello,
I am new to this list but looking over the archives I found lots of interesting
stuff and I hope this will be a place to get questions answered or at least experienced
opinions. Just a little about myself as a means of introduction.
I am an architect by trade and still working as a partial retirement. I have
held a private license since 1967 and along the way got my instrument and a commercial
ticket (which I never used). I currently have about 1700 hours in lots
of different airplanes, all single engine and including about 100 hrs in tail
wheel . And in the last 20 years have flown just enough to be able to pass
my BFR.
I am located in upstate NY in the Adirondack Park. I am building or finishing
someone else's project, a GN-1 Aircamper. Project is 75% done with 75% to go.
The project started in Canada and then ended up in Iowa. I have no documentation
from the original builders who did all the wood work. As I understand it
the plane was part of an estate sale and then passed to someone else in payment
of a debt. I bought it from a person that had done the conversion of a corvair
engine and some covering and that documentation wasn't too bad. Good enough
to let me know that I need to do some things over.
It has been interesting taking someone else's work and trying to decide if it is
OK. When I first started it was overwhelming. I am making headway now, but
with each thing I do I find something else that was done before but does not
quit work right based on the way I want things to end up. The GN-1 was heavy
and this one is not exception.
Wings are done and one is covered. Tail surfaces are done and covered but I have
had to do some remodeling to make new attachment fittings work. I am working
toward covering the fuselage but to do that I have needed to do preliminary rigging
and found some guide blocks mis-located.
Because these birds tend to be tail heavy I am going to build a Piet style skid
but with a tail wheel and try to reduce weight at the tail. A friend gave me
a used Scott tail wheel but it is way too heavy in my opinion especially hanging
back another 12 " beyond the end of the Fues. Building the tail wheel assembly
will put the fuselage covering on hold for a while as I want the mounting
hardware in place before covering. Well you get the picture.
Apparently Grega is no longer supporting his plans (or his father's plans) so
information on the GN-1 is scarce. I hope there are some GN-1 builders that frequent
this list that will be willing to share there building experiences.
Sorry for being so wordy here, but I thought I would give a little background.
--------
Jon Coxwell
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | New to the list. |
Welcome, Jon!! You're at the right place. Are you sure you're 75%, and not
51%?
Don't forget to consider moving the engine forward, maybe 2"? should help
with that heavy tail.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of coxwelljon
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to the list.
<coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
Hello,
I am new to this list but looking over the archives I found lots of
interesting stuff and I hope this will be a place to get questions answered
or at least experienced opinions. Just a little about myself as a means of
introduction. I am an architect by trade and still working as a partial
retirement. I have held a private license since 1967 and along the way got
my instrument and a commercial ticket (which I never used). I currently
have about 1700 hours in lots of different airplanes, all single engine and
including about 100 hrs in tail wheel . And in the last 20 years have flown
just enough to be able to pass my BFR.
I am located in upstate NY in the Adirondack Park. I am building or
finishing someone else's project, a GN-1 Aircamper. Project is 75% done
with 75% to go. The project started in Canada and then ended up in Iowa. I
have no documentation from the original builders who did all the wood work.
As I understand it the plane was part of an estate sale and then passed to
someone else in payment of a debt. I bought it from a person that had done
the conversion of a corvair engine and some covering and that documentation
wasn't too bad. Good enough to let me know that I need to do some things
over.
It has been interesting taking someone else's work and trying to decide if
it is OK. When I first started it was overwhelming. I am making headway
now, but with each thing I do I find something else that was done before but
does not quit work right based on the way I want things to end up. The GN-1
was heavy and this one is not exception.
Wings are done and one is covered. Tail surfaces are done and covered but I
have had to do some remodeling to make new attachment fittings work. I am
working toward covering the fuselage but to do that I have needed to do
preliminary rigging and found some guide blocks mis-located.
Because these birds tend to be tail heavy I am going to build a Piet style
skid but with a tail wheel and try to reduce weight at the tail. A friend
gave me a used Scott tail wheel but it is way too heavy in my opinion
especially hanging back another 12 " beyond the end of the Fues. Building
the tail wheel assembly will put the fuselage covering on hold for a while
as I want the mounting hardware in place before covering. Well you get the
picture.
Apparently Grega is no longer supporting his plans (or his father's plans)
so information on the GN-1 is scarce. I hope there are some GN-1 builders
that frequent this list that will be willing to share there building
experiences.
Sorry for being so wordy here, but I thought I would give a little
background.
--------
Jon Coxwell
Recycle and preserve the planet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267805#267805
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list. |
I REALLY agree with Gary. If you are taking over a project, you will have
to review everything that has been done. In looking at work YOU WILL
complete more than 51% of the construction.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New to the list.
>
> Welcome, Jon!! You're at the right place. Are you sure you're 75%, and not
> 51%?
>
> Don't forget to consider moving the engine forward, maybe 2"? should help
> with that heavy tail.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (15 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of coxwelljon
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:36 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to the list.
>
> <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am new to this list but looking over the archives I found lots of
> interesting stuff and I hope this will be a place to get questions
> answered
> or at least experienced opinions. Just a little about myself as a means
> of
> introduction. I am an architect by trade and still working as a partial
> retirement. I have held a private license since 1967 and along the way
> got
> my instrument and a commercial ticket (which I never used). I currently
> have about 1700 hours in lots of different airplanes, all single engine
> and
> including about 100 hrs in tail wheel . And in the last 20 years have
> flown
> just enough to be able to pass my BFR.
>
> I am located in upstate NY in the Adirondack Park. I am building or
> finishing someone else's project, a GN-1 Aircamper. Project is 75% done
> with 75% to go. The project started in Canada and then ended up in Iowa.
> I
> have no documentation from the original builders who did all the wood
> work.
> As I understand it the plane was part of an estate sale and then passed to
> someone else in payment of a debt. I bought it from a person that had
> done
> the conversion of a corvair engine and some covering and that
> documentation
> wasn't too bad. Good enough to let me know that I need to do some things
> over.
>
> It has been interesting taking someone else's work and trying to decide if
> it is OK. When I first started it was overwhelming. I am making headway
> now, but with each thing I do I find something else that was done before
> but
> does not quit work right based on the way I want things to end up. The
> GN-1
> was heavy and this one is not exception.
>
> Wings are done and one is covered. Tail surfaces are done and covered but
> I
> have had to do some remodeling to make new attachment fittings work. I am
> working toward covering the fuselage but to do that I have needed to do
> preliminary rigging and found some guide blocks mis-located.
>
> Because these birds tend to be tail heavy I am going to build a Piet style
> skid but with a tail wheel and try to reduce weight at the tail. A friend
> gave me a used Scott tail wheel but it is way too heavy in my opinion
> especially hanging back another 12 " beyond the end of the Fues. Building
> the tail wheel assembly will put the fuselage covering on hold for a while
> as I want the mounting hardware in place before covering. Well you get
> the
> picture.
>
> Apparently Grega is no longer supporting his plans (or his father's
> plans)
> so information on the GN-1 is scarce. I hope there are some GN-1 builders
> that frequent this list that will be willing to share there building
> experiences.
>
> Sorry for being so wordy here, but I thought I would give a little
> background.
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267805#267805
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list. |
Jon,
You have your work cut out. Your piloting and architecture skills will serve you
well.
It sounds like you have been going it alone, which raises some immediate questions:
Do you have at least some Piet and GN-1 prints?
Do you have other Piets and builders nearby as resources?
You say "heavy"-- how so, have you weighed what you have, and/or estimated the
rest?
Have you made an estimate of the CG, using a spreadsheet?
Have you read the Piet archives on weight and balance, weight, and CG?
Is your own weight a negative factor (like mine), or are you OK there (e.g., <200#)?
Have you looked at some of the Piet coil spring tailwheel designs?
Answers to these questions will let some of us here help you solve your problems.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>Sent: Oct 13, 2009 5:35 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to the list.
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I am new to this list but looking over the archives I found lots of interesting
stuff and I hope this will be a place to get questions answered or at least
experienced opinions. Just a little about myself as a means of introduction.
I am an architect by trade and still working as a partial retirement. I have
held a private license since 1967 and along the way got my instrument and a commercial
ticket (which I never used). I currently have about 1700 hours in lots
of different airplanes, all single engine and including about 100 hrs in tail
wheel . And in the last 20 years have flown just enough to be able to pass
my BFR.
>
>I am located in upstate NY in the Adirondack Park. I am building or finishing
someone else's project, a GN-1 Aircamper. Project is 75% done with 75% to go.
The project started in Canada and then ended up in Iowa. I have no documentation
from the original builders who did all the wood work. As I understand
it the plane was part of an estate sale and then passed to someone else in payment
of a debt. I bought it from a person that had done the conversion of a corvair
engine and some covering and that documentation wasn't too bad. Good enough
to let me know that I need to do some things over.
>
>It has been interesting taking someone else's work and trying to decide if it
is OK. When I first started it was overwhelming. I am making headway now, but
with each thing I do I find something else that was done before but does not
quit work right based on the way I want things to end up. The GN-1 was heavy
and this one is not exception.
>
>Wings are done and one is covered. Tail surfaces are done and covered but I have
had to do some remodeling to make new attachment fittings work. I am working
toward covering the fuselage but to do that I have needed to do preliminary
rigging and found some guide blocks mis-located.
>
>Because these birds tend to be tail heavy I am going to build a Piet style skid
but with a tail wheel and try to reduce weight at the tail. A friend gave me
a used Scott tail wheel but it is way too heavy in my opinion especially hanging
back another 12 " beyond the end of the Fues. Building the tail wheel assembly
will put the fuselage covering on hold for a while as I want the mounting
hardware in place before covering. Well you get the picture.
>
>Apparently Grega is no longer supporting his plans (or his father's plans) so
information on the GN-1 is scarce. I hope there are some GN-1 builders that
frequent this list that will be willing to share there building experiences.
>
>Sorry for being so wordy here, but I thought I would give a little background.
>
>--------
>Jon Coxwell
>Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267805#267805
>
>
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Welcome, Jon!! You're at the right place. Are you sure you're 75%, and not
51%?
I REALLY agree with Gary. If you are taking over a project, you will have
to review everything that has been done. In looking at work YOU WILL
complete more than 51% of the construction.
Gary & Dick,
I have discussed this quite a bit with my local EAA and with our local DAR. All
have encouraged me to really document what I am doing. I believe that with
all I am having to redo I will have no problem being designated as the builder.
In fact I have gone through the process with FAA and I am now listed on the
registration as the builder. This airplane already had an N-number even though
it had never flown or been fully assembled. It took some doing to get the
previous builder removed but I got that acomplished. As for the 51% rule, a fellow
EAA sent me an exerpt from some FAA documentation and you can use the previous
builder as well as your own work for compliance with the 51% rule.
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Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list. |
Tim thanks for your interest, You guys are asking the right questions.
Do you have at least some Piet and GN-1 prints?
Yes, both
Do you have other Piets and builders nearby as resources?
A former Piet builder, but he is a purist and is not enamored by by the GN-1.
He is some help though if I ask the right questions. I did go to Brodhead this
summer and joined the Brodhead Assoc. and get their newsletter.
You say "heavy"-- how so, have you weighed what you have, and/or estimated the
rest?
I have done this and it looks like i will be within gross but close.
Have you made an estimate of the CG, using a spreadsheet?
No, I am going to do a careful weighing when I get the fuselage covered and then
do some calculations. The airplane came with a motor mount for the corvair.
The diagonal tube is going the wrong way for the way the engine turns so I will
have to redo that. That will be the time to change the engine location if
I need to.
Is your own weight a negative factor (like mine), or are you OK there (e.g.,
--------
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| Subject: | Re: website to journal Piet build |
Many thanks to all for the nice comments. We will keep our website up to date and
hope to meet all of you at Broadhead. Thanks in advance for the many answers
to questions we will have along the way.
Thanks,
Don & Peyton
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| Subject: | Re: website to journal Piet build |
Many thanks to all for the nice comments. We will keep our website up to date and
hope to meet all of you at Broadhead. Thanks in advance for the many answers
to questions we will have along the way.
Thanks,
Don & Peyton
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| Subject: | any GN-1 builders |
Hi I know this is a piet list but are there any GN-1 (wood) builders or
owners here. I just purchased a GN-1 that was attacked by a tree and am
starting rebuild. When finished I'll be flying it to Piet flyins.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1@netzero.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quiet
>
> Hey Mark,
>
> Your logo was kinda' messed up so I fixed it for you. :D
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267723#267723
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/untitled_193.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list. |
Tim,
I see that Jon skillfully avoided the last question!! You are amongst
'friends', Jon! ;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of coxwelljon
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the list.
<coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
Tim thanks for your interest, You guys are asking the right questions.
Do you have at least some Piet and GN-1 prints?
Yes, both
Do you have other Piets and builders nearby as resources?
A former Piet builder, but he is a purist and is not enamored by by the
GN-1. He is some help though if I ask the right questions. I did go to
Brodhead this summer and joined the Brodhead Assoc. and get their
newsletter.
You say "heavy"-- how so, have you weighed what you have, and/or estimated
the rest?
I have done this and it looks like i will be within gross but close.
Have you made an estimate of the CG, using a spreadsheet?
No, I am going to do a careful weighing when I get the fuselage covered and
then do some calculations. The airplane came with a motor mount for the
corvair. The diagonal tube is going the wrong way for the way the engine
turns so I will have to redo that. That will be the time to change the
engine location if I need to.
Is your own weight a negative factor (like mine), or are you OK there (e.g.,
--------
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Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list. |
Hi Jon saw your post. I'm rebuilding a GN-1 and putting a corvair on it.
Maybe we can share info. E-mail me off list and I'll give you a call this
weekend.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to the list.
> <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am new to this list but looking over the archives I found lots of
> interesting stuff and I hope this will be a place to get questions
> answered or at least experienced opinions. Just a little about myself as
> a means of introduction. I am an architect by trade and still working as
> a partial retirement. I have held a private license since 1967 and along
> the way got my instrument and a commercial ticket (which I never used). I
> currently have about 1700 hours in lots of different airplanes, all single
> engine and including about 100 hrs in tail wheel . And in the last 20
> years have flown just enough to be able to pass my BFR.
>
> I am located in upstate NY in the Adirondack Park. I am building or
> finishing someone else's project, a GN-1 Aircamper. Project is 75% done
> with 75% to go. The project started in Canada and then ended up in Iowa.
> I have no documentation from the original builders who did all the wood
> work. As I understand it the plane was part of an estate sale and then
> passed to someone else in payment of a debt. I bought it from a person
> that had done the conversion of a corvair engine and some covering and
> that documentation wasn't too bad. Good enough to let me know that I need
> to do some things over.
>
> It has been interesting taking someone else's work and trying to decide if
> it is OK. When I first started it was overwhelming. I am making headway
> now, but with each thing I do I find something else that was done before
> but does not quit work right based on the way I want things to end up.
> The GN-1 was heavy and this one is not exception.
>
> Wings are done and one is covered. Tail surfaces are done and covered but
> I have had to do some remodeling to make new attachment fittings work. I
> am working toward covering the fuselage but to do that I have needed to do
> preliminary rigging and found some guide blocks mis-located.
>
> Because these birds tend to be tail heavy I am going to build a Piet style
> skid but with a tail wheel and try to reduce weight at the tail. A friend
> gave me a used Scott tail wheel but it is way too heavy in my opinion
> especially hanging back another 12 " beyond the end of the Fues. Building
> the tail wheel assembly will put the fuselage covering on hold for a while
> as I want the mounting hardware in place before covering. Well you get
> the picture.
>
> Apparently Grega is no longer supporting his plans (or his father's
> plans) so information on the GN-1 is scarce. I hope there are some GN-1
> builders that frequent this list that will be willing to share there
> building experiences.
>
> Sorry for being so wordy here, but I thought I would give a little
> background.
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267805#267805
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: website to journal Piet build |
[quote="swamppilot"]All,
As some of you know my 14 year old son and I are building a Piet (his project). We created a website for the project. The site includes a blog that he will use as a journal to post each step of the build. If you would like to check it out the URL is: www.firstwings.net (http://www.firstwings.net) We will expand the site to included a photo album as time goes on.
Don
12 ribs complete
> [b]
Don & Peyton,
Nice website. Good luck, I look forward to following your progress.
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| Subject: | Re: any GN-1 builders |
Hi Bryan,
See my post "new to the list" I am about 1 year into finishing someone else's
project. My GN-1 has never flown. I purchased it several years ago and I am
now working on it in earnest.
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list. |
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I see that Jon skillfully avoided the last question!! You are amongst
> 'friends', Jon! ;-)
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (15 ribs down.)
> Do not archive
>
> --
You must mean the one about the archives, No I haven't looked there yet.
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| Subject: | Re: any GN-1 builders |
Bryan..
I'm starting a GN-1 from plans here in New Hampshire.
Al Lyscars
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: any GN-1 builders
>
> Hi I know this is a piet list but are there any GN-1 (wood) builders or
> owners here. I just purchased a GN-1 that was attacked by a tree and am
> starting rebuild. When finished I'll be flying it to Piet flyins.
> Bryan Green
> Elgin SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1@netzero.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:58 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quiet
>
>
>>
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> Your logo was kinda' messed up so I fixed it for you. :D
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267723#267723
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/untitled_193.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jon; what the jokers were baiting you into was the question
about your own personal "gross weight". Some pilots tip
the scales at a bit more than the FAA "standard weight" of
170 lbs. and they tend to pick on the ones who don't quite
come up to snuff. I presently weigh just a pound or two over
150 myself, so they would say I don't measure up to what the
FAA considers to be a "standard pilot".
For those building a Grega GN-1 Aircamper, don't feel a bit
put off by this being formally a discussion group for the
Pietenpol Air Camper. I submitted a detailed response to
Doc Mosher regarding the nuanced differences between Mr.
Pietenpol's original Air Camper design and Mr. Grega's
follow-on GN-1 Aircamper redesign/revision/improvement, but I
respect both men and their designs and believe them to be
worthy compatriots in the challenge to see who can fly lowest
and slowest and provide pilots with the most fun, at the lowest
cost, with the simplest construction, and to give the most
consternation to the tin-and-rivet crowd. I doubt that you
will find any Piet pilot on this list who would not share a beer
with a GN-1 pilot, but there are a few of them (mostly over
170 lbs.) who will throw down a gauntlet and challenge you to
a spot landing contest or something when they find out you fly
a GN-1. Like as not, they will also 'harumph' loudly when you
step into the bar.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I don't want none of your lip Harv!
Clif
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----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
Great stuff;I wish I could do the same but even if I did have mine in
running order it would be so cold that like Wap May, when I pulled my
scarf off my lips would come with it.LOL!
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| Subject: | Re: any GN-1 builders |
alyscars(at)myfairpoint.n wrote:
> Bryan..
>
> I'm starting a GN-1 from plans here in New Hampshire.
>
> Al Lyscars
>
> ---
Al, we are not too far apart. I live in Remsen, NY just N of Utica.
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list |
Thanks for the kind words. 200 is a good and accurate number but I am trying for
20 under that just to extend longevity. Not only do I want to complete the
GN-1, but I want to be healthy enough to fly it. At this age one has to think
about these things.
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| Subject: | Re: Western Piets availabele next week? |
Gary,
I don't know for sure. I think the lens is dirty and just haven'tchecked it yet.
I will do that tomorrow or whenever I remember it. I knowI need a new
prescription!
Sorry it took so long to answer this; I have been busy and next Tuesday we will
be in Arizona for a couple of weeks; holy delay Batman!
Jim
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Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Oct 9, 2009 05:52:54 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
Jim,
It's just about time!!! You must be excited!
I have to ask, though: What's wrong with your camera? I notice that your
pictures are getting fuzzy, or do I need a new prescription?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week?
Just had to send it to you; i.e. ask and you shall receive. I've got all the
fuselage fittings off as I am sanding and varnishing the inside of the
cockpits. Then paint all the control sticks, etc before mounting them again.
Notice I still have the price tag on the tailwheel; I may leave it there ala
Minnie Pearl.
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
On Oct 9, 2009, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Hold the phone! You have her on the gear? Let's see some pics!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week?
John,
If you don't mind a 40 mile detour off I-80 you are welcome to come to Santa
Rosa and see my Piet under construction. I have the fuselage on wheels, wing
ribs done, tail surfaces done, engine mount done, and engine about ready to
hang.l
Santa Rosa is North of San Francisco on highway 101 and about 40 miles West
of I-80 via highway 12.
My address is 3504 BAnyan St and phone is 707-571-8001.
It would be nice to have a visitor and get some constructive comments.
Cheers,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol builder with Corvair
On Oct 9, 2009, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets,
second request got 2 reply's anyone else interested? Lemme no John
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| Subject: | Re: Forward Visibility |
There is a rumour of same. As the story goes, someone
had such a light engine and extra long nose( no, not the pilot)
that he couldn't overcome takeoff prop forces, His
solution was to level the plane.
Clif
has anyone ever put a
> nosewheel on a Piet? I know they've done if on the Champ, > Wayne
> Bressler Jr.
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