---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/14/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:21 AM - Re: Re: Vi Kapler's Piets (Jack) 2. 05:24 AM - Re: New to the list. (Skip Gadd) 3. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: any GN-1 builders (Thomas Bernie) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Re: Western Piets availabele next week? (Gary Boothe) 5. 07:55 AM - website to journal Piet build (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 09:14 AM - Re: any GN-1 builders (coxwelljon) 7. 09:30 AM - Re: New to the list. (coxwelljon) 8. 11:51 AM - Re: Fall flying (H RULE) 9. 12:58 PM - Don't leave your Piet unguarded (Gene & Tammy) 10. 02:35 PM - Re: Don't leave your Piet unguarded (TOM STINEMETZE) 11. 03:22 PM - Re: website to journal Piet build (swamppilot) 12. 03:48 PM - Re: Don't leave your Piet unguarded (David Paule) 13. 03:58 PM - Re: Don't leave your Piet unguarded (mike) 14. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: New to the list. (Tim Willis) 15. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: website to journal Piet build (Mike Tunnicliffe) 16. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: any GN-1 builders (bryan green) 17. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: website to journal Piet build (Tim Willis) 18. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Western Piets availabele next week? (Jim) 19. 08:53 PM - Re: Don't leave your Piet unguarded (Robert Ray) 20. 10:51 PM - Re: Don't leave your Piet unguarded (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:22 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vi Kapler's Piets Thanks for the info Dan. Am I correct that it has not flown? Please keep us up to date. Thanks, Jack DSM Vi says the dihedral is one inch. The Pietenpol Aircamper located at the Pioneer Museum in Oshkosh has two inches of dihedral. Vi stated that Bernard thought that was too much. It also has only 1/4 inch washout instead of 3/8 that Vi used to rig his wing. DW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267763#267763 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:33:00 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:49 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New to the list. Jon, Welcome to the list. I'm building a Piet but fly a Grega that I bought. Does your project have the plywood sides, pilot seat to tail post, per Grega plans? If so you can loose some weight there. The guys that built mine cut away most of the ply, leaving about an inch at the uprights and diagonals and more where the gussets are on the Piet plans. Skip I am working toward covering the fuselage but to do that I have needed to do preliminary rigging and found some guide blocks mis-located. Jon Coxwell ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:16 AM PST US From: Thomas Bernie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: any GN-1 builders Bryan, I have been working on my GN-1 for 3 1/2 years -- almost done. Here is a link to a 1000 photos of the project you may find useful. http://www.flickr.com/photos/berniejr/sets/72157617340470074/ Regards, Tom Bernie N666TB Gloucester Mass On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:43 PM, coxwelljon wrote: > > > > Hi Bryan, > > See my post "new to the list" I am about 1 year into finishing > someone else's project. My GN-1 has never flown. I purchased it > several years ago and I am now working on it in earnest. > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267840#267840 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:10 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? Want me to swing by and do some work for you on your plane? It'll only cost 15 ribs! Save travels... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? Gary, I don't know for sure. I think the lens is dirty and just haven'tchecked it yet. I will do that tomorrow or whenever I remember it. I knowI need a new prescription! Sorry it took so long to answer this; I have been busy and next Tuesday we will be in Arizona for a couple of weeks; holy delay Batman! Jim Do not archive Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Oct 9, 2009 05:52:54 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Jim, It's just about time!!! You must be excited! I have to ask, though: What's wrong with your camera? I notice that your pictures are getting fuzzy, or do I need a new prescription? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? Just had to send it to you; i.e. ask and you shall receive. I've got all the fuselage fittings off as I am sanding and varnishing the inside of the cockpits. Then paint all the control sticks, etc before mounting them again. Notice I still have the price tag on the tailwheel; I may leave it there ala Minnie Pearl. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair On Oct 9, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote: Hold the phone! You have her on the gear? Let's see some pics!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? John, If you don't mind a 40 mile detour off I-80 you are welcome to come to Santa Rosa and see my Piet under construction. I have the fuselage on wheels, wing ribs done, tail surfaces done, engine mount done, and engine about ready to hang.l Santa Rosa is North of San Francisco on highway 101 and about 40 miles West of I-80 via highway 12. My address is 3504 BAnyan St and phone is 707-571-8001. It would be nice to have a visitor and get some constructive comments. Cheers, Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair On Oct 9, 2009, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets, second request got 2 reply's anyone else interested? Lemme no John ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:17 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: website to journal Piet build Don & Peyton- I may have missed it on your nifty White Lightning web page, but where are you located? It helps the other builders to know where you are so maybe they can visit you or vice-versa. I see you guys are dreaming about that radial engine... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: any GN-1 builders From: "coxwelljon" Tom, Thank you for posting that link. I found the pictures to be very informative. I am sure that I will be back to the site many times. -------- Jon Coxwell Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267922#267922 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the list. From: "coxwelljon" Skip, I thought about that, but decided against it. All the fairings were in place and the plywood is so thin. I weighed some pieces and found that I was dealing with ounces so I decided that it would be a lot of work for very little gain. All of my mounting hardware on the tail was maked for 1/4" bolts instead of 3/16" I have remodeled that and where holes were already drilled in the wood, I plugged the holes with hardwood dowels and epoxy and re drilled the holes to a smaller size. .Some were miss placed so this allowed me to get proper alignment. The weight savings for smaller bolts and nuts adds up to quite a few square inches of plywood. I also am changing the tail wheel design as I mentioned before to save some weight. By the way I did check out the archives on weight and balance and found some good information. This list is a good resource. -------- Jon Coxwell Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267928#267928 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:26 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fall flying Thanks for that.LOL funny stuff,I love it!=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: Clif Dawson =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, October 13, 2009 10:58:54 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fall flying=0A=0A=0AI don't want none of your lip Harv!=0A-=0AClif=0A-=0ADo not archive=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: H RULE =0A>=0A>Great stuff;I wish I could do the same but even if I did have mine in running order it would be so cold that like Wap May, when I pulled my scarf off my lips would come with it.LOL!=0A>do not a = ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:57 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded Hope no one minds my passing this on to the list. It could happen to you! Gene N502R Brown Bear Damaged Piper Cub N9368D - 2009 I got this this a.m. from my old friend Randy K. who flys for K-2 Aviation in Talkeetna, Alaska. A bear mauled this Cub while parked in hunting camp in AK. The owner had not cleaned the plane since a fishing trip so obviously the bear smelled it. He had 2 new tires, 3 cases of Duct Tape and several rolls of thick plastic wrap brought out to him, repaired the plane and flew it home. I bet, from the look of the right side horizontal stabilizer, he still had to hold a lot of left rudder and stick. Gutsy eh? cr ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10/14/09 06:33:00 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:03 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded There 'ya go. Who needs that expensive Ceconite covering material. Just use 200 MPH duct tape and plastic sheets. Wonder what kind of paint would stick to that? TS - McPherson, KS do not archive >>> "Gene & Tammy" 10/14/2009 2:53 PM >>> Hope no one minds my passing this on to the list. It could happen to you! Gene N502R Brown Bear Damaged Piper Cub N9368D - 2009 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: website to journal Piet build From: "swamppilot" Hi Oscar, We are located in Shreveport, Louisiana. As far as we can determine we may be the only active Piet build in the State. I hope not. It would be great to have another build going on close by. At this point we are planning for a C-200. A radial would be way cool but is probably not realistic based what we have learned so far. Don >Don & Peyton- I may have missed it on your nifty White Lightning web page, but where are you located? It helps the other builders to know where you are so maybe they can visit you or vice-versa. I see you guys are dreaming about that radial engine... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267972#267972 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:44 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded That duct tape was good for more than 200 mph. When I worked for a large airplane company out at Edwards AFB in the early '70s, they frequently had to run instrumentation wiring externally under the wing. They'd tape it on. They did use a high-grade duct tape, a lot like gaffer's tape, and the rule was that if they were going to go supersonic, they had to epoxy the edges. Subsonic, not to bother. Years later I got to figuring, and it turns out that 17 knots in water is the same dynamic pressure as 500 knots in air. 500 knots is the max sea level airspeed limit of an SR-71 and while I didn't have one of those, I did have a fast sailboat, and wanted to compare them. You can't go supersonic in an SR-71 at sea level anyway. After a while, another sailor ripped up his boat on some rocks. He got it to the dock, and we duct-taped it back together. Lots of duct tape, we did a good job. I told him to keep it under 17 knots and he'd be okay, and he sailed the rest of the weekend like that. True stories, too. David Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM STINEMETZE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded There 'ya go. Who needs that expensive Ceconite covering material. Just use 200 MPH duct tape and plastic sheets. Wonder what kind of paint would stick to that? TS - McPherson, KS do not archive >>> "Gene & Tammy" 10/14/2009 2:53 PM >>> Hope no one minds my passing this on to the list. It could happen to you! Gene N502R Brown Bear Damaged Piper Cub N9368D - 2009 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:38 PM PST US From: "mike" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded It was called "Mach 2 tape" and it stuck on better than paint, except close to the leading edges or nose where it got hot after "cruising" for a while. Mike Hardaway _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded That duct tape was good for more than 200 mph. When I worked for a large airplane company out at Edwards AFB in the early '70s, they frequently had to run instrumentation wiring externally under the wing. They'd tape it on. They did use a high-grade duct tape, a lot like gaffer's tape, and the rule was that if they were going to go supersonic, they had to epoxy the edges. Subsonic, not to bother. Years later I got to figuring, and it turns out that 17 knots in water is the same dynamic pressure as 500 knots in air. 500 knots is the max sea level airspeed limit of an SR-71 and while I didn't have one of those, I did have a fast sailboat, and wanted to compare them. You can't go supersonic in an SR-71 at sea level anyway. After a while, another sailor ripped up his boat on some rocks. He got it to the dock, and we duct-taped it back together. Lots of duct tape, we did a good job. I told him to keep it under 17 knots and he'd be okay, and he sailed the rest of the weekend like that. True stories, too. David Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded There 'ya go. Who needs that expensive Ceconite covering material. Just use 200 MPH duct tape and plastic sheets. Wonder what kind of paint would stick to that? TS - McPherson, KS do not archive >>> "Gene & Tammy" 10/14/2009 2:53 PM >>> Hope no one minds my passing this on to the list. It could happen to you! Gene N502R Brown Bear Damaged Piper Cub N9368D - 2009 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:07 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the list. Jon, It sounds like you are in the swing of things, and that you are unlikely to have a CG problem. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: coxwelljon >Sent: Oct 14, 2009 11:29 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to the list. > > >Skip, > >I thought about that, but decided against it. All the fairings were in place and the plywood is so thin. I weighed some pieces and found that I was dealing with ounces so I decided that it would be a lot of work for very little gain. All of my mounting hardware on the tail was maked for 1/4" bolts instead of 3/16" I have remodeled that and where holes were already drilled in the wood, I plugged the holes with hardwood dowels and epoxy and re drilled the holes to a smaller size. .Some were miss placed so this allowed me to get proper alignment. The weight savings for smaller bolts and nuts adds up to quite a few square inches of plywood. I also am changing the tail wheel design as I mentioned before to save some weight. > >By the way I did check out the archives on weight and balance and found some good information. This list is a good resource. > >-------- >Jon Coxwell >Recycle and preserve the planet > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267928#267928 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:28 PM PST US From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: website to journal Piet build Have you had a look at the Rotec radials made in Australia, you get a lot of engine for the money and I haven't heard anything bad about them. regards Mike T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "swamppilot" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: website to journal Piet build > > > Hi Oscar, > > We are located in Shreveport, Louisiana. As far as we can determine we may > be the only active Piet build in the State. I hope not. It would be great > to have another build going on close by. At this point we are planning for > a C-200. A radial would be way cool but is probably not realistic based > what we have learned so far. > > Don > > >>Don & Peyton- > > I may have missed it on your nifty White Lightning > web page, but where are you located? It helps the > other builders to know where you are so maybe they > can visit you or vice-versa. > > I see you guys are dreaming about that radial engine... > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267972#267972 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:25 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: any GN-1 builders Thanks Tom. Do not archive Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Bernie To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: any GN-1 builders Bryan, I have been working on my GN-1 for 3 1/2 years -- almost done. Here is a link to a 1000 photos of the project you may find useful. http://www.flickr.com/photos/berniejr/sets/72157617340470074/ Regards, Tom Bernie N666TB Gloucester Mass On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:43 PM, coxwelljon wrote: Hi Bryan, See my post "new to the list" I am about 1 year into finishing someone else's project. My GN-1 has never flown. I purchased it several years ago and I am now working on it in earnest. -------- Jon Coxwell Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267840#267840 - The --> &n======================== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:18 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: website to journal Piet build Don, "Swamppilot," talk to Corky in Shreveport, right in your hometown. He built Oscar's Piet and my project and has started another Piet. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Mike Tunnicliffe >Sent: Oct 14, 2009 7:23 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: website to journal Piet build > > >Have you had a look at the Rotec radials made in Australia, you get a lot of >engine for the money and I haven't heard anything bad about them. >regards Mike T. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "swamppilot" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:21 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: website to journal Piet build > > >> >> >> Hi Oscar, >> >> We are located in Shreveport, Louisiana. As far as we can determine we may >> be the only active Piet build in the State. I hope not. It would be great >> to have another build going on close by. At this point we are planning for >> a C-200. A radial would be way cool but is probably not realistic based >> what we have learned so far. >> >> Don >> >> >> >>>Don & Peyton- >> >> I may have missed it on your nifty White Lightning >> web page, but where are you located? It helps the >> other builders to know where you are so maybe they >> can visit you or vice-versa. >> >> I see you guys are dreaming about that radial engine... >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267972#267972 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:11 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? Nah; the 15 ribs make me feel like I'm not that far behind you Gary. Arlene is excited about going but have to admit I would rather stay home and work on the Piet. Hope you all make good progress over the next couple of weeks while I just fume. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Oct 14, 2009 07:46:57 AM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Want me to swing by and do some work for you on your plane? It'll only cost 15 ribs! Save travels... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: Re: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? Gary, I don't know for sure. I think the lens is dirty and just haven'tchecked it yet. I will do that tomorrow or whenever I remember it. I knowI need a new prescription! Sorry it took so long to answer this; I have been busy and next Tuesday we will be in Arizona for a couple of weeks; holy delay Batman! Jim Do not archive Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Oct 9, 2009 05:52:54 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Jim, It's just about time!!! You must be excited! I have to ask, though: What's wrong with your camera? I notice that your pictures are getting fuzzy, or do I need a new prescription? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? Just had to send it to you; i.e. ask and you shall receive. I've got all the fuselage fittings off as I am sanding and varnishing the inside of the cockpits. Then paint all the control sticks, etc before mounting them again. Notice I still have the price tag on the tailwheel; I may leave it there ala Minnie Pearl. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair On Oct 9, 2009, Gary Boothe wrote: Hold the phone! You have her on the gear? Let's see some pics!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Western Piets availabele next week? John, If you don't mind a 40 mile detour off I-80 you are welcome to come to Santa Rosa and see my Piet under construction. I have the fuselage on wheels, wing ribs done, tail surfaces done, engine mount done, and engine about ready to hang.l Santa Rosa is North of San Francisco on highway 101 and about 40 miles West of I-80 via highway 12. My address is 3504 BAnyan St and phone is 707-571-8001. It would be nice to have a visitor and get some constructive comments. Cheers, Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol builder with Corvair On Oct 9, 2009, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: Going to Portland, Sacramento and Stockton next week looking for Piets, second request got 2 reply's anyone else interested? Lemme no John ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded From: Robert Ray I afraid after this I would would have an electric wire around the plane. The kind used in AK by campers. Russell On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:57 PM, mike wrote: > It was called "Mach 2 tape" and it stuck on better than paint, except > close to the leading edges or nose where it got hot after "cruising" for a > while. > Mike Hardaway > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David Paule > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:46 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded > > That duct tape was good for more than 200 mph. > > When I worked for a large airplane company out at Edwards AFB in the early > '70s, they frequently had to run instrumentation wiring externally under the > wing. They'd tape it on. They did use a high-grade duct tape, a lot like > gaffer's tape, and the rule was that if they were going to go supersonic, > they had to epoxy the edges. Subsonic, not to bother. > > Years later I got to figuring, and it turns out that 17 knots in water is > the same dynamic pressure as 500 knots in air. 500 knots is the max sea > level airspeed limit of an SR-71 and while I didn't have one of those, I did > have a fast sailboat, and wanted to compare them. You can't go supersonic in > an SR-71 at sea level anyway. After a while, another sailor ripped up his > boat on some rocks. He got it to the dock, and we duct-taped it back > together. Lots of duct tape, we did a good job. I told him to keep it under > 17 knots and he'd be okay, and he sailed the rest of the weekend like that. > > True stories, too. > > David Paule > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* TOM STINEMETZE > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded > > *There 'ya go. Who needs that expensive Ceconite covering material. Just > use 200 MPH duct tape and plastic sheets. Wonder what kind of paint would > stick to that?* > ** > *TS - McPherson, KS* > do not archive > > >>> "Gene & Tammy" 10/14/2009 2:53 PM >>> > Hope no one minds my passing this on to the list. It could happen to you! > Gene > N502R > > ****** > Brown Bear Damaged Piper Cub N9368D - 2009* * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:51 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded Can't help but be impressed..it almost looks airworthy after the repairs! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Don't leave your Piet unguarded Hope no one minds my passing this on to the list. It could happen to you! Gene N502R Brown Bear Damaged Piper Cub N9368D - 2009 I got this this a.m. from my old friend Randy K. who flys for K-2 Aviation in Talkeetna, Alaska. A bear mauled this Cub while parked in hunting camp in AK. The owner had not cleaned the plane since a fishing trip so obviously the bear smelled it. He had 2 new tires, 3 cases of Duct Tape and several rolls of thick plastic wrap brought out to him, repaired the plane and flew it home. I bet, from the look of the right side horizontal stabilizer, he still had to hold a lot of left rudder and stick. 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