---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/16/09: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Doug Dever) 2. 05:23 AM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (H RULE) 3. 06:42 AM - Ford Powered Piets (tbyh@aol.com) 4. 07:01 AM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (K5YAC) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: Ford Powered Piets (K5YAC) 6. 07:43 AM - Re: Ford Powered Piets (H RULE) 7. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: Ford Powered Piets (H RULE) 8. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Jim Markle) 9. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Ford Powered Piets (David Paule) 10. 08:43 AM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Dan Yocum) 11. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Gary Boothe) 12. 09:14 AM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 13. 09:25 AM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (amsafetyc@aol.com) 14. 10:04 AM - Vi's piet (Douwe Blumberg) 15. 10:20 AM - Re: Vi's piet (Perry Rhoads) 16. 10:36 AM - Re: Vi's piet (Bill Church) 17. 11:50 AM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (shad bell) 18. 12:09 PM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Ryan Mueller) 19. 12:18 PM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Dan Yocum) 20. 12:36 PM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets OT Hanger as a refuge. (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 21. 01:08 PM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (airlion) 22. 03:22 PM - statistics (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 23. 08:19 PM - lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (coxwelljon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:32 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Mike=2C You are slow. But=2C women can do that to you. I gave up a career flying for one. Not one of the brighter things I've done! My dad and I recovered a Tri-Champ in 2 weeks. Just to point out what can be done with a full time effort=3B-P Do not archive. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > From: michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 21:34:05 -0500 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets > Aerospace Corporation]" > > > > Dear Jim=2C > > You photo progress photos are REALLY encouraging however I too believe th at you will most likely be a 2011 Brodhead Newcomer because > unless you're going a really slip-shod job of fabric covering and rolling on some of that Sherwin-Williams house latex paint with a roller=2C > you'll not be in attendance at Brodhead 2010. > > It took me ONE ENTIRE YEAR to cover=2C paint=2C and assemble my plane to fly. Your mileage may vary. I'm talking everything running=2C ready > for flight=2C control cables in=2C wings rigged=2C struts made=2C the who le thing was pre-assembled (ala what the Tony Bingleis books suggest) > and it still took me ONE YEAR to cover=2C paint=2C and assemble. One year . I hope some of you guys are faster than I was but of course I had > to satisfy Piet groupies=2C girlfriends=2C and neighbor ladies during the last year of covering so don't go by my estimate. You may be much > more effiecient than I. Best wishes to all for those hoping to make it to Brodhead 2010 ! > > And most certainly I jest with some of this content. > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:21 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets =0A=0AI bought my first plane which was a Lazair ultralight off a guy who w as getting married and she wanted him to sell all his toys,plane,snowmobile ,RV,motor cycle,etc.Good for me but man that guy was wipped and he wasn't e ven married .My wife was so up set that I bought the plane and I put the ca r up for collateral.I just said "look it's somethin I hav ta do,get over it ."Then I ducked because somethin heavy was commin at me!!!-- LOL=0ANow I have two planes;a GN-1 and anN3PUP,get over that,oooooops look out someth in heavy commin at me again!=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: Doug Dever =0ATo: piete npol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, October 16, 2009 7:09:01 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets=0A=0AMike,=0A-=0AYou are slow.- But, women can do that to you.- I gave up a career flying fo r one.- Not one of the brighter things I've done!- =0A-=0AMy dad and I recovered a Tri-Champ in 2 weeks.- Just to point out what can be done w ith a full time effort;-P=0A-=0ADo not archive.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beau tiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A-=0A> From: michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov=0A> To: pie tenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:34:05 -0500=0A> Sub ject: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets =0A> =0A> --> Pietenpo l-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corpor ation]" =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Dear Jim, =0A> =0A> You photo progress photos are REALLY encouraging however I too believe that yo u will most likely be a 2011 Brodhead Newcomer because=0A> unless you're go ing a really slip-shod job of fabric covering and rolling on some of that S herwin-Williams house latex paint with a roller, =0A> you'll not be in atte ndance at Brodhead 2010. =0A> =0A> It took me ONE ENTIRE YEAR to cover, pai nt, and assemble my plane to fly. Your mileage may vary. I'm talking everyt hing running, ready=0A> for flight, control cables in, wings rigged, struts made, the whole thing was pre-assembled (ala what the Tony Bingleis books suggest)=0A> and it still took me ONE YEAR to cover, paint, and assemble. O ne year. I hope some of you guys are faster than I was but of course I had =0A> to satisfy Piet groupies, girlfriends, and neighbor ladies during the last year of covering so don't go by my estimate. You may be much=0A> more effiecient than I. Best wishes to all for those hoping to make it to Brodhe ad 2010 ! =0A> =0A> And most certainly I jest with some of this content. =0A> =0A> Mike C. in Ohio=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A______________ __________________=0AHotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Met='_ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Powered Piets From: tbyh@aol.com My Air Camper project is rather slow the last couple of years what with tw o boys in college. But the fuselage sits on the landing gear (Jennie style ) with control sticks in, motor mount from Ken Perkins, tail feathers buil t, ribs built (I cheated -- the late, great Charlie Rubeck ribs) and prop, prop hub and engine on hand -- the engine is in good shape but has to be rebuilt/modified...its last duty was as a saw mill/conveyor belt rig in Northern Minnesota. I'm like Jim Markle -- If I win the lottery we'll have it finished up in no time. Right now it is very easy to build faster than the budget allows . Gives new meaning to the term "budget overruns." One of these days I'll make another trip to McCormick's Lumber in Madison, WI, for wing spar mat erial. Funny story -- I bought a Kollsman altimeter on e-Bay a couple years ago -- advertised as "works." The price was right and so when it arrived I se t it for La Crosse's altitude and then took a drive up the nearby 600-feet bluffs -- works perfectly. Of course I like to have info on the various parts and pieces in my airplane, so I wrote to Kollsman (now part of Squa re D) and requested info on the altimeter. They wrote back and said that based on my model and serial number, my altimeter was built to a military contract (1938!) and therefore they were not authorised to release any in formation about it! So, my Pietenpol apparently has a top secret altimeter ! Fred B. La Crosse, WI TBYH@aol.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets From: "K5YAC" I have yet to see any Piet groupies at Jim's barn, so that shouldn't slow him down. His biggest problem is finding time to work on his project. The guy can't stop for 5 minutes! He came by last Saturday for a cup of coffee (supposedly) and all I saw was a spinning coffee cup in a cloud of dust. I suppose that was him that zipped through. I wouldn't even say that I knew for sure, but I was missing a few things, so it was either him or that other low down scoundrel that can sniff out a Piet project while standing at the baggage claim. Anyhow... I know that Jim is studying in his spare time, and he has help if he needs it. Could it be that he is up to the 2010 challenge? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268216#268216 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Powered Piets From: "K5YAC" Skunk Works... Squirrel Works... and now ??? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268221#268221 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:03 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ford Powered Piets Jims on the road quite a bit with his jjjjjob so he is quite busy most of t he time.Great guy to see and talk to.I wish him all the success in the worl d at building his piet.It should be interesting to see the finished product since unlike most of us he has been around to see quite a few projects.=0A =0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "t byh@aol.com" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, October 16, 2009 9:04:23 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Ford Powered Piets =0A=0AMy Air Camper project is rather slow the last couple of years what wi th two boys in college. But-the fuselage-sits on the landing gear (Jenn ie style)-with control sticks in, motor mount from Ken Perkins, tail feat hers built, ribs built (I cheated -- the late, great Charlie Rubeck ribs) -and prop, prop hub and-engine on hand -- the-engine is in good shape but has to be rebuilt/modified...its last duty was as-a saw mill/conveyo r belt rig in Northern Minnesota. =0A=0AI'm like Jim Markle ---If I win t he lottery we'll have it finished up in no time. Right now it is very easy to build faster than the budget allows. Gives new meaning to the term "budg et overruns." One of these days I'll make another trip to McCormick's Lumbe r in Madison, WI, for wing spar material. =0A=0AFunny story -- I bought a K ollsman altimeter on e-Bay a couple years ago -- advertised as "works." The price was right and so when it arrived I set it for La Crosse's altitude -and then took a drive up the nearby 600-feet bluffs --- works perfectl y. Of course I like to have info on the various parts and pieces in my airp lane, so I wrote to Kollsman (now part of Square D) and requested info on t he altimeter. They wrote back and said that based on my model and serial nu mber, my altimeter was built to a military contract (1938!) and therefore t hey were not authorised to release any information about it! So, my Pietenp ol apparently has a top secret altimeter! =0A=0AFred B.=0ALa Crosse, WI=0AT === ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:43 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Powered Piets Shades of the CIA!!!=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________ ____________=0AFrom: K5YAC =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronic s.com=0ASent: Fri, October 16, 2009 10:25:09 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: hangar10@cox.net>=0A=0ASkunk Works... Squirrel Works... and now ???=0A=0A-- ------=0AMark - working on wings=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online he re:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268221#268221=0A=0A ==================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:15 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets And as it turned out, it was a good thing I didn't stay as long as I wanted. I ended up finally locating some oval furnace ducting just 15 minutes before the store closed. And I had to get a furnace installed for a coooooold renter. But I got it done so this weekend I get to do FUN Pietenpol stuff!! What time will coffee be ready Dave? :-) jm -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC >Sent: Oct 16, 2009 7:01 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets > > >I have yet to see any Piet groupies at Jim's barn, so that shouldn't slow him down. His biggest problem is finding time to work on his project. The guy can't stop for 5 minutes! He came by last Saturday for a cup of coffee (supposedly) and all I saw was a spinning coffee cup in a cloud of dust. I suppose that was him that zipped through. I wouldn't even say that I knew for sure, but I was missing a few things, so it was either him or that other low down scoundrel that can sniff out a Piet project while standing at the baggage claim. > >Anyhow... I know that Jim is studying in his spare time, and he has help if he needs it. Could it be that he is up to the 2010 challenge? > >-------- >Mark - working on wings > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268216#268216 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:51 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Powered Piets I built a BD-5 out at a place I called the "Bug Farm." It was an old barn adjacent to a creek and the bugs were pretty bad. The comment to people who'd want to know what the Bug Farm thing was all about was, no, we weren't raising them intentionally, and that I was the harvest. Difficult workshop, pretty location though. David Paule P.S. The BD-5 wasn't mine. It was the job that put me through college. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford Powered Piets > > Skunk Works... Squirrel Works... and now ??? > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268221#268221 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:35 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets I'm with ya, Harvey... my wife has fluctuated between violently indifferent to violently angry about me buying N8031. And she's known that I was going to have a plane for 19+ years! You guys with supportive, or at the very least, permissive wives don't know how lucky you are. That's right, Mueller, I'm lookin' at you, buddy! Your wife's already talking about building ANOTHER Piet and you haven't finished the first one, yet. Bah, some guys have all the luck! ;-) H RULE wrote: > > I bought my first plane which was a Lazair ultralight off a guy who was > getting married and she wanted him to sell all his > toys,plane,snowmobile,RV,motor cycle,etc.Good for me but man that guy > was wipped and he wasn't even married .My wife was so up set that I > bought the plane and I put the car up for collateral.I just said "look > it's somethin I hav ta do,get over it."Then I ducked because somethin > heavy was commin at me!!! LOL > Now I have two planes;a GN-1 and anN3PUP,get over that,oooooops look out > somethin heavy commin at me again! -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:20 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets What...need more tools? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets And as it turned out, it was a good thing I didn't stay as long as I wanted. I ended up finally locating some oval furnace ducting just 15 minutes before the store closed. And I had to get a furnace installed for a coooooold renter. But I got it done so this weekend I get to do FUN Pietenpol stuff!! What time will coffee be ready Dave? :-) jm -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC >Sent: Oct 16, 2009 7:01 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets > > >I have yet to see any Piet groupies at Jim's barn, so that shouldn't slow him down. His biggest problem is finding time to work on his project. The guy can't stop for 5 minutes! He came by last Saturday for a cup of coffee (supposedly) and all I saw was a spinning coffee cup in a cloud of dust. I suppose that was him that zipped through. I wouldn't even say that I knew for sure, but I was missing a few things, so it was either him or that other low down scoundrel that can sniff out a Piet project while standing at the baggage claim. > >Anyhow... I know that Jim is studying in his spare time, and he has help if he needs it. Could it be that he is up to the 2010 challenge? > >-------- >Mark - working on wings > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268216#268216 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:54 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets All I can say is do your best to make the plane a pleasant experience. Get the kids/grandkids involved, invite her to the airport on pretty days for nice events. IF she will go up with you, keep the flight short 15-20 Min and only take her up in still air. Don't let her think that it competes with her for your time/attention. Lots of luck with that! Steve D (with and understanding wife who still wants more of my time.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets > > I'm with ya, Harvey... my wife has fluctuated between violently > indifferent to violently angry about me buying N8031. And she's known > that I was going to have a plane for 19+ years! > > You guys with supportive, or at the very least, permissive wives don't > know how lucky you are. > > That's right, Mueller, I'm lookin' at you, buddy! Your wife's already > talking about building ANOTHER Piet and you haven't finished the first > one, yet. Bah, some guys have all the luck! > > ;-) > > > H RULE wrote: > > > > I bought my first plane which was a Lazair ultralight off a guy who was > > getting married and she wanted him to sell all his > > toys,plane,snowmobile,RV,motor cycle,etc.Good for me but man that guy > > was wipped and he wasn't even married .My wife was so up set that I > > bought the plane and I put the car up for collateral.I just said "look > > it's somethin I hav ta do,get over it."Then I ducked because somethin > > heavy was commin at me!!! LOL > > Now I have two planes;a GN-1 and anN3PUP,get over that,oooooops look out > > somethin heavy commin at me again! > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets From: amsafetyc@aol.com Mine is consistent, she hates aviation, aviators and aircraft builders and airplanes being built so we are 4 for 4. Can't beat that score even if ya tried. Do not archive John ------Original Message------ From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Sent: Oct 16, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets All I can say is do your best to make the plane a pleasant experience. Get the kids/grandkids involved, invite her to the airport on pretty days for nice events. IF she will go up with you, keep the flight short 15-20 Min and only take her up in still air. Don't let her think that it competes with her for your time/attention. Lots of luck with that! Steve D (with and understanding wife who still wants more of my time.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets > > I'm with ya, Harvey... my wife has fluctuated between violently > indifferent to violently angry about me buying N8031. And she's known > that I was going to have a plane for 19+ years! > > You guys with supportive, or at the very least, permissive wives don't > know how lucky you are. > > That's right, Mueller, I'm lookin' at you, buddy! Your wife's already > talking about building ANOTHER Piet and you haven't finished the first > one, yet. Bah, some guys have all the luck! > > ;-) > > > H RULE wrote: > > > > I bought my first plane which was a Lazair ultralight off a guy who was > > getting married and she wanted him to sell all his > > toys,plane,snowmobile,RV,motor cycle,etc.Good for me but man that guy > > was wipped and he wasn't even married .My wife was so up set that I > > bought the plane and I put the car up for collateral.I just said "look > > it's somethin I hav ta do,get over it."Then I ducked because somethin > > heavy was commin at me!!! LOL > > Now I have two planes;a GN-1 and anN3PUP,get over that,oooooops look out > > somethin heavy commin at me again! > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > do not archive > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:38 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi's piet Bill Church provided a link but it just took me back to the matronics site, no photos. Where are you guys seeing pics of Vi's piet? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:32 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vi's piet Here's the pictures I sent to the list. Perry Rhoads N12939 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi's piet > > > Bill Church provided a link but it just took me back to the matronics > site, > no photos. > > Where are you guys seeing pics of Vi's piet? > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vi's piet From: "Bill Church" Douwe, It was a link to the original post, but on the Matronics Pietenpol Forum, which allows attachments. There are two photos attached to the original message. One is of Vi's new Piet, and the other is of Vi's old Piet, which he apparently just sold. Here's the same link once again. This is the only publicly available photo of Vi's new Piet that I'm aware of. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=63357&sid=60c7e748a1c33bc d61 4560a6e8f36cfc And, just in case that link somehow doesn't work for you (I just checked it, and it worked for me), I've attached a copy of that same photo to this message. Bill C. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vi's piet --> Bill Church provided a link but it just took me back to the matronics site, no photos. Where are you guys seeing pics of Vi's piet? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:22 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Thats right, you will want to use Sears Weatherbeater Latex paint, and brus hed on, not rolled on!- Ha ha ha - Shad > >> unless you're going a really slip-shod job of fabric covering and rollin g on some of that Sherwin-Williams house latex paint with a roller, =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets From: Ryan Mueller That's alright. You can love to hate me, I'm ok with it. ;) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > I'm with ya, Harvey... my wife has fluctuated between violently indifferent > to violently angry about me buying N8031. And she's known that I was going > to have a plane for 19+ years! > > You guys with supportive, or at the very least, permissive wives don't know > how lucky you are. > > That's right, Mueller, I'm lookin' at you, buddy! Your wife's already > talking about building ANOTHER Piet and you haven't finished the first one, > yet. Bah, some guys have all the luck! > > ;-) > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:20 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote: > > All I can say is do your best to make the plane a pleasant experience. Get the kids/grandkids involved, invite her to the airport on pretty days for nice events. IF she will go up with you, keep the flight short 15-20 Min and only take her up in still air. Don't let her think that it competes with her for your time/attention. > > Lots of luck with that! > Steve D (with and understanding wife who still wants more of my time.) > That's sound advice, Steve. The girls are all over the airplane thing literally and figuratively, already: Claire: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0165 Sophie: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0160 Which does not please my wife much. At the MAAC fly-in a few weeks ago, I asked Rob Bach to take her for a flight in his Piet. First thing I asked her when she came down was, "How was it?" "Great! I loved it." "Oh, really? Then it's not such a bad thing that I own of these things?" "Uh, um, it was ok... just ok." Apparently, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. At least I got myself a nice airplane and I can already see my daughters getting into the more pleasurable aspects of aviation. Hopefully, my wife'll come around, eventually. I'm hoping a couple more trips to Brodhead will help change her currently distorted view of the aviation community: we both have a pretty bad taste in our mouth after my stint with a local gliding club. Don't get me wrong, there are some super people in the club, but there were a few who were a little high themselves and they really ruined the experience for a bunch of us. I am continually impressed by the high quality of the people in the Pietenpol community, especially this mailing list and forum. I probably haven't said this nearly enough in the past months, but thank you, thank you, thank you, one and all for giving freely of your knowledge and experience and bearing with my nearly incessant nattering about things that are, in hindsight, completely trivial. You are all top-notch folks, in my most humble opinion. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:30 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets OT Hanger as a refuge. At my hanger, I always try to have an area with AC so that the wife (or me) can cool down on hot days. I always have things for the boys to do. (footballs, soccer etc.) and I will be leaving a foosball table, Pingpong table and Basketball goal at my hanger if possible. as well as a couple of bikes/skateboards for the boys. my boys know that you don't ever go in front of the wing of an airplane (where the prop/hamburger maker is). They stop doing things (riding, kicking balls etc) until planes taxi past and so on. heck we have even Camped out at the airport by putting up a screen shelter and inflated mattresses along with firing up the grill and looking at the stars/moon with a telescope. I see the hanger as an alternate getaway and not just for me. A guy in Virginia building a homebuilt ((RV?) set his hanger up with a little carpet, a couch and lazy boy recliner. He added a TV along with a kitchenette. His wife and young kids would come and play around while he built. Eventually, his wife got involved making the interior and she was soon really into it. Just some Ideas. Blue Skies, Steve D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets > > > Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote: > > > > All I can say is do your best to make the plane a pleasant experience. Get the kids/grandkids involved, invite her to the airport on pretty days for nice events. IF she will go up with you, keep the flight short 15-20 Min and only take her up in still air. Don't let her think that it competes with her for your time/attention. > > > > Lots of luck with that! > > Steve D (with and understanding wife who still wants more of my time.) > > > > That's sound advice, Steve. The girls are all over the airplane thing > literally and figuratively, already: > > Claire: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0165 > Sophie: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0160 > > Which does not please my wife much. > > At the MAAC fly-in a few weeks ago, I asked Rob Bach to take her for a > flight in his Piet. First thing I asked her when she came down was, > "How was it?" "Great! I loved it." "Oh, really? Then it's not such a > bad thing that I own of these things?" "Uh, um, it was ok... just ok." > > Apparently, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. > > At least I got myself a nice airplane and I can already see my daughters > getting into the more pleasurable aspects of aviation. Hopefully, my > wife'll come around, eventually. > > I'm hoping a couple more trips to Brodhead will help change her > currently distorted view of the aviation community: we both have a > pretty bad taste in our mouth after my stint with a local gliding club. > Don't get me wrong, there are some super people in the club, but there > were a few who were a little high themselves and they really ruined the > experience for a bunch of us. I am continually impressed by the high > quality of the people in the Pietenpol community, especially this > mailing list and forum. > > I probably haven't said this nearly enough in the past months, but thank > you, thank you, thank you, one and all for giving freely of your > knowledge and experience and bearing with my nearly incessant nattering > about things that are, in hindsight, completely trivial. You are all > top-notch folks, in my most humble opinion. > > Cheers, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:17 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Ryan, Is Jessie going to build her own Piet? She might finish hers before you do. I am impressed. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ________________________________ From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:06:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets That's alright. You can love to hate me, I'm ok with it. ;) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > >>I'm with ya, Harvey... my wife has fluctuated between violently indifferent to violently angry about me buying N8031. And she's known that I was going to have a plane for 19+ years! > >>You guys with supportive, or at the very least, permissive wives don't know how lucky you are. > >>That's right, Mueller, I'm lookin' at you, buddy! Your wife's already talking about building ANOTHER Piet and you haven't finished the first one, yet. Bah, some guys have all the luck! > >>;-) > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:06 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: statistics Well=2C we've been really dead at work so in my spare time I did some guest imating - not estimating - GUESStimating. This is based on what I percieve to have left to do on my Pietenpol and what I believe it will cost. Also based on the hours to date divided by the number of years/months etc=2C I'v e been working. Cost = $17/per week Hours per week = 2.5 Estimated completion March 2018. Guess I should speed up eh? Tom B. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol From: "coxwelljon" What is the correct size for ROUND lift struts. I know this has been discussed and I have looked back in the archives but really did not find an answer to my question? When I purchased my project it came with 2 complete sets of struts. One set which is round and a set of cub struts that were shortened. At first I was delighted with the cub struts but the shortening was done right in the middle and the cut and weld was done perpendicular to the strut rather than on a diagonal. I do not know what the lower ends are like as they are now sealed. There is a big difference in the weight of the 2 sets and I am leaning toward ROUND struts with fairings but cannot find a size for this option on either the GN-1 plans or the Pietenpol plans. I could do engineering calculations if need be, but would rather not re-invent the wheel. Any help out there? -------- Jon Coxwell Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268300#268300 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.