Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sat 10/17/09


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     1. 05:22 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 10/15/09 (Donald Lane)
     2. 05:51 AM - Re: statistics (helspersew@aol.com)
     3. 06:35 AM - Re: statistics (899PM)
     4. 06:54 AM - Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig (helspersew@aol.com)
     5. 12:38 PM - Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (bryan green)
     6. 01:23 PM - Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig (Richard Schreiber)
     7. 03:22 PM - Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig (Jack Phillips)
     8. 03:23 PM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Jack Phillips)
     9. 03:39 PM - Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig (Richard Schreiber)
    10. 03:52 PM - time to cover airplanes/ wings (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    11. 03:52 PM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Gary Boothe)
    12. 04:09 PM - Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig (helspersew@aol.com)
    13. 05:41 PM - Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig (Richard Schreiber)
    14. 06:38 PM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (Jack Phillips)
    15. 06:39 PM - Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig (Jack Phillips)
    16. 06:39 PM - Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig (Jack Phillips)
    17. 09:31 PM - Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (coxwelljon)
    18. 10:39 PM - drilling spar in tight places (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
    19. 11:54 PM - Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets (H RULE)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:22:29 AM PST US
    From: "Donald Lane" <dslane@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 10/15/09
    >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:03:30 AM PST US > From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: how many Ford piets are being built? > > I'm curious what others are in the works that I'm unaware of. How 'bout > everyone building a Ford Piet give a shout and an update about where you > are > in the project. > > I'm excited to see some new ones at Brodhead next year! > > Douwe > > > I'm in Minnesott Beach NC, right across the river from Cherry Point Marine > Air Station, so I get to see Ospreys, Harriers, and C-130s every day. My Piet has a Ford A with some Ken Perkins parts. Runs great, but throws oil out the rear main bearing, which is now the front. I will just have to keep a rag handy to wipe it down after every flight. I am working on the engine cowling, and need to do the windscreens and cockpit interior. Also some painting of small parts. Then ready for final assembly and certification. It has Jenny gear and a latex paint job, not show quality. Don Lane > > >


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    Time: 05:51:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: statistics
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Tom, Could be right on. I started mine in July of 2000. Just spray painting now . All construction is complete except cockpit coaming. Life got in the way and had no support from home for the project. But I am not the kind of gu y to give up on a dream. I will fly her this next spring. Finally seeing the downhill stretch. Can't hardly believe it myself. The secret is just keep putting one foot in front of the other and always look ahead. You ca n do it too. Keep going. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 5:15 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: statistics Well, we've been really dead at work so in my spare time I did some guesti mating - not estimating - GUESStimating. This is based on what I percieve to have left to do on my Pietenpol and what I believe it will cost. Also based on the hours to date divided by the number of years/months etc, I'v e been working. Cost = $17/per week Hours per week = 2.5 Estimated completion March 2018. Guess I should speed up eh? Tom B. ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 06:35:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: statistics
    From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
    Tom, Discipline yourself to work at least 15 minutes a night(or morning) on some small part of the ship. You will be amazed at what gets done in a years time. I found that by just getting started each day, I would continue far past the 10 minute minimum. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268320#268320


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    Time: 06:54:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Good People, I remember somebody posting a message outlining how they set-up a jig to do engine-turning on large panels (cowlings). Can't find it in the archiv es. Anybody remember this one, or have any new ideas? Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.


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    Time: 12:38:18 PM PST US
    From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
    You may have to do the math Jon. I looked in the 1932 flying manual and the piet plans there called for streamline strut material. Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol > <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net> > > What is the correct size for ROUND lift struts. > > I know this has been discussed and I have looked back in the archives but > really did not find an answer to my question? > > When I purchased my project it came with 2 complete sets of struts. One > set which is round and a set of cub struts that were shortened. At first > I was delighted with the cub struts but the shortening was done right in > the middle and the cut and weld was done perpendicular to the strut rather > than on a diagonal. I do not know what the lower ends are like as they > are now sealed. > > There is a big difference in the weight of the 2 sets and I am leaning > toward ROUND struts with fairings but cannot find a size for this option > on either the GN-1 plans or the Pietenpol plans. I could do engineering > calculations if need be, but would rather not re-invent the wheel. > > Any help out there? > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268300#268300 > > >


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    Time: 01:23:43 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig
    Dan: Here is how I did my instrument panel. I used a 1" hole saw core from a 3/4" thick piece of pine for the mandrel. I glued in a hardwood dowel for the shaft. To the bottom of the mandrel, I then glued on a thin scotch brite pad. I chucked the mandrel into a drill press and applied light pressure for 2 seconds. I used a 50/50 mix of oil and kerosene for a lube. The attached photo shows the jig set up. I attached the aluminum I was turning, to a 3/8" thick piece of plywood. I made sure that the left edge and the bottom of the plywood that the aluminum was attached to was square, as I used these for the guide edges. I next laid out a grid pattern on paper and glued it to another sheet of plywood. You have to decide what the pattern is you are going to make to then determine the grid size (also the mandrel size). I think mine may have been 1/2". Next drill a series of locating pin holes on the left and right sides, along a left vertical and right vertical. These will be used to locate the horizontal edge guide. Next prepare the horizontal edge guide out of a 1 x 4 board. The guide needs one edge flat and two locating pin holes drilled. The rest is pretty self explanatory from the photo. I started at the upper left, indexing the horizontal edge with the board and aligning the left edge of the aluminum mounting board along one of the vertical lines. The only issue with doing a cowling is that you may have to move things around a bit to get clearance with the drill press. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN


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    Time: 03:22:05 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig
    I did mine very similar to how Rick did it, except I was lazy and just used an old Continental exhaust valve with scotchbrite glued onto it for the tool. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig Dan: Here is how I did my instrument panel. I used a 1" hole saw core from a 3/4" thick piece of pine for the mandrel. I glued in a hardwood dowel for the shaft. To the bottom of the mandrel, I then glued on a thin scotch brite pad. I chucked the mandrel into a drill press and applied light pressure for 2 seconds. I used a 50/50 mix of oil and kerosene for a lube. The attached photo shows the jig set up. I attached the aluminum I was turning, to a 3/8" thick piece of plywood. I made sure that the left edge and the bottom of the plywood that the aluminum was attached to was square, as I used these for the guide edges. I next laid out a grid pattern on paper and glued it to another sheet of plywood. You have to decide what the pattern is you are going to make to then determine the grid size (also the mandrel size). I think mine may have been 1/2". Next drill a series of locating pin holes on the left and right sides, along a left vertical and right vertical. These will be used to locate the horizontal edge guide. Next prepare the horizontal edge guide out of a 1 x 4 board. The guide needs one edge flat and two locating pin holes drilled. The rest is pretty self explanatory from the photo. I started at the upper left, indexing the horizontal edge with the board and aligning the left edge of the aluminum mounting board along one of the vertical lines. The only issue with doing a cowling is that you may have to move things around a bit to get clearance with the drill press. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN


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    Time: 03:23:14 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Markle's photos and Ford Piets
    Dan, just let her know that women have gotten themselves divorced for less (I've done it twice). Suggest that she might want to learn to fly, so you are not so inclined to stray. Point out how much fun it is to have your wife go on a Pietenpol cross country with you. My wife has done one (from Raleigh to Dulles International) and the discomfort and misery of that experience has faded to the point that she's beginning to talk about flying it down to Sun 'n' Fun with me next April. Here she is as we prepared to take off from Dulles (IAD) And here we were, waiting for the crowds of kids at the Udvar Hazy museum: As you can see I finally found a good one - a wife that enjoys flying. The first two pretended to enjoy it until they got a ring on their finger, then never flew again. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote: <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> > > All I can say is do your best to make the plane a pleasant experience. Get the kids/grandkids involved, invite her to the airport on pretty days for nice events. IF she will go up with you, keep the flight short 15-20 Min and only take her up in still air. Don't let her think that it competes with her for your time/attention. > > Lots of luck with that! > Steve D (with and understanding wife who still wants more of my time.) > That's sound advice, Steve. The girls are all over the airplane thing literally and figuratively, already: Claire: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0165 Sophie: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0160 Which does not please my wife much. At the MAAC fly-in a few weeks ago, I asked Rob Bach to take her for a flight in his Piet. First thing I asked her when she came down was, "How was it?" "Great! I loved it." "Oh, really? Then it's not such a bad thing that I own of these things?" "Uh, um, it was ok... just ok." Apparently, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. At least I got myself a nice airplane and I can already see my daughters getting into the more pleasurable aspects of aviation. Hopefully, my wife'll come around, eventually. I'm hoping a couple more trips to Brodhead will help change her currently distorted view of the aviation community: we both have a pretty bad taste in our mouth after my stint with a local gliding club. Don't get me wrong, there are some super people in the club, but there were a few who were a little high themselves and they really ruined the experience for a bunch of us. I am continually impressed by the high quality of the people in the Pietenpol community, especially this mailing list and forum. I probably haven't said this nearly enough in the past months, but thank you, thank you, thank you, one and all for giving freely of your knowledge and experience and bearing with my nearly incessant nattering about things that are, in hindsight, completely trivial. You are all top-notch folks, in my most humble opinion. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive


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    Time: 03:39:08 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig
    At the time I did mine I was trying to get an exhaust valve to use for the mandrel. I may have even gotten the idea from you Jack. I just didn't have one. I was looking around my shop trying to decide what I was going to use, when I saw this old scrap hole saw core sitting on the bench. Then the light bulb went on! Rick S


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    Time: 03:52:23 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: time to cover airplanes/ wings
    Doug D, Slow is a relative term Doug. Of course if wasn't working a 50 hour a week job I would have been able to cover the plane sooner, just like you and your Dad did recovering a Tri-Champ in 2 weeks. I had nobody slowing me down-- I was only dating Karen at the time and when she came over most times she would help as she is very mechanically inclined. I had never covered an airplane in my life so naturally if I had previous experience (like it sounds you and your Dad have) I could have done a much faster job. Also I didn't have the luxury of PK screws like you did with your Champ--- I had to rib stitch the wings, horizontal stabilizer, rudder, and elevators. I didn't use pre-sewn envelopes which certainly can speed up the process-- I used the overlap method on all structures. I also wanted to have a nice looking covering job, not like something that I threw together in a couple of weeks or rushed thru the finishing process so I took my time to make sure I would have no regrets looking at the finished product for the rest of my life. Lastly-- Did you own the TriChamp or just recover it for someone else. My next comment is purely opinion and preference but the Tri Champ has to be one of the most ugly planes ever produced. Point taken-- you can get lots done if you have full time to work on a project and funds to keep up with yourself. So when will you be flying your Pietenpol on the first flight Doug ? Let's see some progress photos of where you're at. Would love to see some. Mike C. not very beautifu, average small town Berea, Ohio do not archive


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    Time: 03:52:55 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Markle's photos and Ford Piets
    Jack, I was going to say that, "Now, you're just bragging!" But, as they say, it's not bragging if you can do it...good for you! For the most part, my wife leaves me alone about the plane, but I made the mistake the other day of letting her overhear my plans of flying to Brodhead in 2011...and here we go....the kitchen remodel, painting the house, the money, the job....yada, yada, yada.... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down...) _____________________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Dan, just let her know that women have gotten themselves divorced for less (I've done it twice). Suggest that she might want to learn to fly, so you are not so inclined to stray. Point out how much fun it is to have your wife go on a Pietenpol cross country with you. My wife has done one (from Raleigh to Dulles International) and the discomfort and misery of that experience has faded to the point that she's beginning to talk about flying it down to Sun 'n' Fun with me next April. Here she is as we prepared to take off from Dulles (IAD) And here we were, waiting for the crowds of kids at the Udvar Hazy museum: As you can see I finally found a good one - a wife that enjoys flying. The first two pretended to enjoy it until they got a ring on their finger, then never flew again. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote: <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> > > All I can say is do your best to make the plane a pleasant experience. Get the kids/grandkids involved, invite her to the airport on pretty days for nice events. IF she will go up with you, keep the flight short 15-20 Min and only take her up in still air. Don't let her think that it competes with her for your time/attention. > > Lots of luck with that! > Steve D (with and understanding wife who still wants more of my time.) > That's sound advice, Steve. The girls are all over the airplane thing literally and figuratively, already: Claire: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0165 Sophie: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0160 Which does not please my wife much. At the MAAC fly-in a few weeks ago, I asked Rob Bach to take her for a flight in his Piet. First thing I asked her when she came down was, "How was it?" "Great! I loved it." "Oh, really? Then it's not such a bad thing that I own of these things?" "Uh, um, it was ok... just ok." Apparently, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. At least I got myself a nice airplane and I can already see my daughters getting into the more pleasurable aspects of aviation. Hopefully, my wife'll come around, eventually. I'm hoping a couple more trips to Brodhead will help change her currently distorted view of the aviation community: we both have a pretty bad taste in our mouth after my stint with a local gliding club. Don't get me wrong, there are some super people in the club, but there were a few who were a little high themselves and they really ruined the experience for a bunch of us. I am continually impressed by the high quality of the people in the Pietenpol community, especially this mailing list and forum. I probably haven't said this nearly enough in the past months, but thank you, thank you, thank you, one and all for giving freely of your knowledge and experience and bearing with my nearly incessant nattering about things that are, in hindsight, completely trivial. You are all top-notch folks, in my most humble opinion. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive


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    Time: 04:09:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Thanks Rick and Jack, My problem is that the major piece of the cowl is all one piece, sides and bottom (photos attached). I will have to cannibalize a drill press, and make it a "deep throat" model in order to handle the size so I can reach the center. I think I have an idea that will work, the only unanswered qu estion in my mind now is can I "unbend" the nice gentle curve I have in my cowl piece to get a flat enough surface to work with? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.


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    Time: 05:41:23 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig
    Wow Dan!!! Its really looking good. You could probably make up a fixture out of wood for a 1/4" portable drill stand, but once the cowling is bent , that makes things a little more difficult. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN


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    Time: 06:38:55 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Markle's photos and Ford Piets
    Yeah, after I flew the Piet to Brodhead in 2008, I started working on Karen in January to break her into the idea of me flying it back there this summer "for the 80th Anniversary". She is not at all keen for me to fly it over the mountains. I've done it three times now ('05, '08 and '09) and each time it is getting harder to convince her of the necessity. She doen't mind me going to Brodhead (and she usually joins me in Oshkosh, flying up commerical), but she prefers me to fly the RV-4 as she knows how poor the Pietenpol is at outrunning weather. She doesn't worry about the money that much (although the Pietenpol costs twice what the RV-4 costs to make the same trip) - she's more concerned with the safety. Franly I don't worry about that - the Pietenpol is a better plane for scud-running than the RV-4 and could probably survive a crash in the mountains much better due to its slower stall speed. Just keep working on your wife Gary - she'll probably come around. Just don't mention that you've got to get over the Sierras and the Rockies to get there. Jack Phillips _____________________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Jack, I was going to say that, "Now, you're just bragging!" But, as they say, it's not bragging if you can do it...good for you! For the most part, my wife leaves me alone about the plane, but I made the mistake the other day of letting her overhear my plans of flying to Brodhead in 2011...and here we go....the kitchen remodel, painting the house, the money, the job....yada, yada, yada.... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (15 ribs down...) _____________________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Dan, just let her know that women have gotten themselves divorced for less (I've done it twice). Suggest that she might want to learn to fly, so you are not so inclined to stray. Point out how much fun it is to have your wife go on a Pietenpol cross country with you. My wife has done one (from Raleigh to Dulles International) and the discomfort and misery of that experience has faded to the point that she's beginning to talk about flying it down to Sun 'n' Fun with me next April. Here she is as we prepared to take off from Dulles (IAD) And here we were, waiting for the crowds of kids at the Udvar Hazy museum: As you can see I finally found a good one - a wife that enjoys flying. The first two pretended to enjoy it until they got a ring on their finger, then never flew again. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB wrote: <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> > > All I can say is do your best to make the plane a pleasant experience. Get the kids/grandkids involved, invite her to the airport on pretty days for nice events. IF she will go up with you, keep the flight short 15-20 Min and only take her up in still air. Don't let her think that it competes with her for your time/attention. > > Lots of luck with that! > Steve D (with and understanding wife who still wants more of my time.) > That's sound advice, Steve. The girls are all over the airplane thing literally and figuratively, already: Claire: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0165 Sophie: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0160 Which does not please my wife much. At the MAAC fly-in a few weeks ago, I asked Rob Bach to take her for a flight in his Piet. First thing I asked her when she came down was, "How was it?" "Great! I loved it." "Oh, really? Then it's not such a bad thing that I own of these things?" "Uh, um, it was ok... just ok." Apparently, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. At least I got myself a nice airplane and I can already see my daughters getting into the more pleasurable aspects of aviation. Hopefully, my wife'll come around, eventually. I'm hoping a couple more trips to Brodhead will help change her currently distorted view of the aviation community: we both have a pretty bad taste in our mouth after my stint with a local gliding club. Don't get me wrong, there are some super people in the club, but there were a few who were a little high themselves and they really ruined the experience for a bunch of us. I am continually impressed by the high quality of the people in the Pietenpol community, especially this mailing list and forum. I probably haven't said this nearly enough in the past months, but thank you, thank you, thank you, one and all for giving freely of your knowledge and experience and bearing with my nearly incessant nattering about things that are, in hindsight, completely trivial. You are all top-notch folks, in my most humble opinion. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. do not archive


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    Time: 06:39:22 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig
    Man! What a beautiful airplane! Unless you want to drill out all those rivets and work with flat pieces, I wouldn't touch it Dan. Too much chance of screwing it up. The scotchbrite pad on the hole drill core or exhaust valve has a bit of "give" in it and can work with a gentle curve. The hard part will be maintaining a uniform pattern over the whole cowling. It is far easier to engine turn the material first, then work with it to form the cowling. That way, you can ensure that the rows of swirls all line up properly Experiment first on some scrap material and see how well you can cover up a screwup with fresh swirl marks - it might work ok. Otherwise, get it flying with this cowling and make another cowl with the engine turning on it. Nice work, Dan. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig Thanks Rick and Jack, My problem is that the major piece of the cowl is all one piece, sides and bottom (photos attached). I will have to cannibalize a drill press, and make it a "deep throat" model in order to handle the size so I can reach the center. I think I have an idea that will work, the only unanswered question in my mind now is can I "unbend" the nice gentle curve I have in my cowl piece to get a flat enough surface to work with? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.


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    Time: 06:39:23 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig
    BTW, I wouldn't try flying it with that prop. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need help- Subject: Engine- turning jig Thanks Rick and Jack, My problem is that the major piece of the cowl is all one piece, sides and bottom (photos attached). I will have to cannibalize a drill press, and make it a "deep throat" model in order to handle the size so I can reach the center. I think I have an idea that will work, the only unanswered question in my mind now is can I "unbend" the nice gentle curve I have in my cowl piece to get a flat enough surface to work with? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL.


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    Time: 09:31:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
    From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
    Thanks Bryan, I was afraid of that. I hope I can apply some of my architectural structures to aeronautical engineering. I was hoping that since there are some airplanes flying around with wooden struts that someone may have already done the calculations. -------- Jon Coxwell Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268379#268379


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    Time: 10:39:32 PM PST US
    From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
    Subject: drilling spar in tight places
    I did a search on this and couldn't really find much - maybe didn't do it r ight.. Anyway=2C I'm going to be working on the CC and figured I better mak e the fittings first in order to get the holes drilled correctly. Assuming you catch every hole at this point (before the wing is assembled) this wil l work. What about holes that you have to drill once things are together - very little clearance for a drill / bit in some spaces. Tom B.


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    Time: 11:54:15 PM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: Markle's photos and Ford Piets
    =0A=0AWhen my wife found out I'd bought my GN-1 Aircamper she told me to go do somethin sexual with the gas tank that I can't mention on here!=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe < gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, Octob er 17, 2009 6:45:58 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and F ord Piets=0A=0AJack,=0A=0AI was going to say that, "Now, you're just braggi ng!" But, as they say, it's=0Anot bragging if you can do it...good for you! =0A=0AFor the most part, my wife leaves me alone about the plane, but I mad e the=0Amistake the other day of letting her overhear my plans of flying to Brodhead=0Ain 2011...and here we go....the kitchen remodel, painting the h ouse, the=0Amoney, the job....yada, yada, yada....=0A=0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion, mounted=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A(15 ribs down...)=0A=0A_____________________________________________ =0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpo l-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack=0APhillips=0ASent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:16 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets=0A=0ADan, just let her know that women have gotten themselves divorced for less=0A(I've done it twice) .- Suggest that she might want to learn to fly, so you=0Aare not so incli ned to stray.- Point out how much fun it is to have your=0Awife go on a P ietenpol cross country with you.- My wife has done one (from=0ARaleigh to Dulles International) and the discomfort and misery of that=0Aexperience h as faded to the point that she's beginning to talk about flying=0Ait down t o Sun 'n' Fun with me next April.=0A=0AHere she is as we prepared to take o ff from Dulles (IAD)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd here we were, waiting for the crowds of kids at the Udvar Hazy museum:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAs you can see I finally f ound a good one - a wife that enjoys flying.- The=0Afirst two pretended t o enjoy it until they got a ring on their finger, then=0Anever flew again. =0A=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ARaleigh, NC=0A=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0A-----O riginal Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[m ailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum=0AS ent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:15 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's photos and Ford Piets=0A=0A--> Pieten pol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>=0A=0A=0ADortch, Stev , Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"=0A<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>=0A> =0A> All I ca n say is do your best to make the plane a pleasant experience. Get=0Athe ki ds/grandkids involved, invite her to the airport on pretty days for=0Anice events. IF she will go up with you, keep the flight short 15-20 Min and=0Ao nly take her up in still air. Don't let her think that it competes with her =0Afor your time/attention.=0A> =0A> Lots of luck with that!=0A> Steve D (w ith and understanding wife who still wants more of my time.)=0A> =0A=0AThat 's sound advice, Steve.- The girls are all over the airplane thing =0Alit erally and figuratively, already:=0A=0AClaire: http://5n429glenoak.homelinu x.net/gallery/2009_07/img_0165=0ASophie: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/ gallery/2009_07/img_0160=0A=0AWhich does not please my wife much.=0A=0AAt t he MAAC fly-in a few weeks ago, I asked Rob Bach to take her for a =0Afligh t in his Piet.- First thing I asked her when she came down was, =0A"How w as it?"- "Great! I loved it."- "Oh, really?- Then it's not such a =0A bad thing that I own of these things?" "Uh, um, it was ok... just ok."=0A =0AApparently, I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.=0A=0AAt least I go t myself a nice airplane and I can already see my daughters =0Agetting into the more pleasurable aspects of aviation.- Hopefully, my =0Awife'll come around, eventually.=0A=0AI'm hoping a couple more trips to Brodhead will h elp change her =0Acurrently distorted view of the aviation community: we bo th have a =0Apretty bad taste in our mouth after my stint with a local glid ing club. =0A- Don't get me wrong, there are some super people in the clu b, but there =0Awere a few who were a little high themselves and they reall y ruined the =0Aexperience for a bunch of us.- I am continually impressed by the high =0Aquality of the people in the Pietenpol community, especiall y this =0Amailing list and forum.=0A=0AI probably haven't said this nearly enough in the past months, but thank =0Ayou, thank you, thank you, one and all for giving freely of your =0Aknowledge and experience and bearing with my nearly incessant nattering =0Aabout things that are, in hindsight, compl etely trivial.- You are all =0Atop-notch folks, in my most humble opinion .=0A=0ACheers,=0ADan=0A=0A=0A-- =0ADan Yocum=0AFermilab- 630.840.6509=0Ay ocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov=0AFermilab.- Just zeros and ones .=0A=0Ado not archive




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