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1. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (Bill Church)
2. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (Gene Rambo)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Skip Gadd)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Jack Phillips)
6. 06:37 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Skip Gadd)
8. 08:04 AM - Re: Props for A 65 (Ryan Mueller)
9. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (David Paule)
10. 08:43 AM - lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (santiago morete)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Dick N.)
12. 08:58 AM - Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (helspersew@aol.com)
13. 10:27 AM - We have wings! (Ben Charvet)
14. 10:39 AM - Re: We have wings! (helspersew@aol.com)
15. 11:56 AM - Re: We have wings! (TOM STINEMETZE)
16. 11:56 AM - Re: We have wings! (Ryan Mueller)
17. 12:09 PM - Re: We have wings! (K5YAC)
18. 12:09 PM - Re: We have wings! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
19. 12:53 PM - Re: We have wings! (Jim Markle)
20. 12:54 PM - Re: We have wings! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
21. 03:24 PM - Re: We have wings! (Ben Charvet)
22. 03:24 PM - Re: We have wings! (Jack Phillips)
23. 04:32 PM - Re: We have wings! (Jack)
24. 05:42 PM - Ohio Fall Colors (shad bell)
25. 05:56 PM - Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (shad bell)
26. 06:22 PM - Re: We have wings! (shad bell)
27. 06:38 PM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (Lagowski Morrow)
28. 07:16 PM - Re: We have wings! (H RULE)
29. 07:16 PM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (Skip Gadd)
30. 08:41 PM - Re: We have wings! (jorge lizarraga)
31. 10:02 PM - Re: We have wings! (Jim)
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Subject: | Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol |
Perhaps NOT.
Jury struts do not affect the strength of the flying struts, in
compression.
What the jury struts do is provide lateral support for the flying
struts, which makes them more resistant to buckling. Buckling only
occurs when a member is loaded in compression.
Jury struts also reduce the likelihood of strut vibration in flight.
There's a whole science involved in determining buckling criteria, but
it basically has to do with slenderness ratios (a ratio of cross-section
to length).
Suffice to say that jury struts ARE REQUIRED on a Pietenpol or a GN-1,
built with typical streamline or round strut material.
Bill C.
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Ray
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
What I've read is the struts beome much stronger in compression
with jury struts. Perhaps twice as strong.
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Subject: | Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol |
this has probably already been said, or will be said a hundred times,
but just in case someone new has not already heard it, the jury struts
also prevent the struts from setting up a harmonic vibration that could
result in a catastrophic strut or fitting failure. The jury struts MUST
NOT be in the center of the strut in order to prevent the harmonic. If
they are in the center, the strut would vibrate equally on each side of
the jury strut, I.e. the same harmonic problem.
Gene
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From: Bill Church<mailto:eng@canadianrogers.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
Perhaps NOT.
Jury struts do not affect the strength of the flying struts, in
compression.
What the jury struts do is provide lateral support for the flying
struts, which makes them more resistant to buckling. Buckling only
occurs when a member is loaded in compression.
Jury struts also reduce the likelihood of strut vibration in flight.
There's a whole science involved in determining buckling criteria, but
it basically has to do with slenderness ratios (a ratio of cross-section
to length).
Suffice to say that jury struts ARE REQUIRED on a Pietenpol or a GN-1,
built with typical streamline or round strut material.
Bill C.
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
What I've read is the struts beome much stronger in compression
with jury struts. Perhaps twice as strong.
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Subject: | Re: Prop choices for A-65 |
Thanks Dick,
Sounds like that would be a little better cruise and about the same climb.
I actually have a Sensenich, got it "thrown in" with an A-65 I bought last week
for the Piet I am building. The thing is, it was sold by Sensenich as "souvenier
propeller Cub style" and stamped on the back not airworthy. Which I belive
means they could not certify it. Two A&P's told me they would fly with the prop,
I haven't decided yet. There is no pitch number stamped on the prop, it is
72 inches long.
Have you killed any deer yet? If not come on down to West Virginia, we have way
more than we need.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick N.
Sent: 10/20/2009 11:05:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Hi Skip
I'm not Jack but I have an A-65 and Sensenich 72x42 also. I cruise at 75-76 mph,
climb at 150-200 fpm.
For anyone else, Culver Props does very nice work, is very customer responsive
and much cheaper. I have one on the radial Piet.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol |
I took that one to heart very seriously in the metal placement for the
struts such that they are set for mounting above the half point rather than
below. I do appreciate the reminder and added that tidbit to my build notes to
insure that rule was not violated. Working with wood one needs to be
really careful about throwing caution to the wind.
I plan on metal for the jury struts stainless tubing I am thinking. All
depends on price availability and fitting attachment points.
Why invite corrosion if ya don't need too, I would prefer the added weight
and strength of stainless rather than the reduction of weight of due to
corrosion. Plus it looks really kool!
John
In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:09:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
generambo@msn.com writes:
this has probably already been said, or will be said a hundred times, but
just in case someone new has not already heard it, the jury struts also
prevent the struts from setting up a harmonic vibration that could result in a
catastrophic strut or fitting failure. The jury struts MUST NOT be in the
center of the strut in order to prevent the harmonic. If they are in the
center, the strut would vibrate equally on each side of the jury strut,
I.e. the same harmonic problem. I
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: _Bill Church_ (mailto:eng@canadianrogers.com)
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
Perhaps NOT.
Jury struts do not affect the strength of the flying struts, in
compression.
What the jury struts do is provide lateral support for the flying struts,
which makes them more resistant to buckling. Buckling only occurs when a
member is loaded in compression.
Jury struts also reduce the likelihood of strut vibration in flight.
There's a whole science involved in determining buckling criteria, but it
basically has to do with slenderness ratios (a ratio of cross-section to
length).
Suffice to say that jury struts ARE REQUIRED on a Pietenpol or a GN-1,
built with typical streamline or round strut material.
Bill C.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
What I've read is the struts beome much stronger in compression
with jury struts. Perhaps twice as strong.
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Subject: | Prop choices for A-65 |
I get about 2100 RPM static, and 2150 on climb. Full throttle level
flight
I can't quite get to 2350 redline. Solo climb on a cool day I get about
400
fpm. I'd like to at least have to throttle back in level flight to
prevent
exceeding the redline. With a passenger on a hot day I get about 100 -
150
fpm
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip
Gadd
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Jack, What numbers do you get with the Sensenich? The reason I have been
wanting one is because they do pretty good on Cubs, and they are nice
and
fat and user friendly for hand propping.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: 10/20/2009 4:42:50 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
I=12ve got a Sensenich 72-42 and am not all that happy with it. I have
a St
Croix 76-36 that I have never tried but will some day.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip
Gadd
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Ryan,
Have had 2 props on Felix the GN-1, A-65, plane weighs 720 lbs.
1. McCauley Met-L-Prop 74-43. Climbs good can handle pac up to 220 if is
not
too hot. Cruse at 2150 68 to 70 MPH. Max RPM 2375.
2. Hegy I got from Don E. 72-44 Climbs not as good can handle pac up to
180.
Curse at 1950 72 MPH. Max RPM 2150.
Interestingly, the plane seems to get 3.8 GPH with ether prop.
I would like to have a Sensenich 72-42.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller <mailto:rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: 10/20/2009 7:59:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Good morning all,
There will be an A-65-8 making it's way to our shop in a couple of
weeks. I
am contemplating it's future. It is complete, and should be a runner;
however it does not come with a prop. I would prefer to have a wood prop
on
the Piet. Can those of you that have wood props flying on A-65's on your
Pietenpol's comment on the make, size, and pitch that you are running,
or
you experiences in the past with varying configurations? Thanks much,
and
have a good morning.
Ryan
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Subject: | Re: Prop choices for A-65 |
I am working with an A&P AI on my 0235 build up. He actually works for
Sensenich in Lancaster one of their repair centers and original launch point of
the wood and metal prop building companies. I am not certain when I will
see him again but if you send me a pic and all the info maybe I can get him
to shed some light on its origin, no promises. He is a rather skidish
gentleman and may not be interested in supporting the notion of it being air
worthy.
He did tell me that when the business moved to Florida much of the wooden
stock blanks were sent to the dumpster of which many were recovered by
employees who collected the blanks, incomplete and not certified props. The one
you have may have been one of those remnants which was not completed to
certification standards and was branded as such for liability purposes. To my
small and limited knowledge on the subject I suspect props that were
blemished or not up to company standards were marked as non airworthy. I cant
say
that it would have been a deliberate market offering as I suspect building
props with flaws for the fun of the novelty business would be outside thee
company's Philosophy and business model. Lancaster county where cash is
King.
This information is speculative and based upon hearsay and conjecture and
absent of fact which would require further investigation by interested
parties to verify any of the speculative statements made herein.
Not an engineer, rocket scientist scientific genius or legal mind, just me
no more no less.
John
Do not archive
In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:10:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
skipgadd@earthlink.net writes:
Thanks Dick,
Sounds like that would be a little better cruise and about the same climb.
I actually have a Sensenich, got it "thrown in" with an A-65 I bought last
week for the Piet I am building. The thing is, it was sold by Sensenich as
"souvenier propeller Cub style" and stamped on the back not airworthy.
Which I belive means they could not certify it. Two A&P's told me they would
fly with the prop, I haven't decided yet. There is no pitch number stamped
on the prop, it is 72 inches long.
Have you killed any deer yet? If not come on down to West Virginia, we
have way more than we need.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: _Dick N._ (mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net)
Sent: 10/20/2009 11:05:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Hi Skip
I'm not Jack but I have an A-65 and Sensenich 72x42 also. I cruise at
75-76 mph, climb at 150-200 fpm.
For anyone else, Culver Props does very nice work, is very customer
responsive and much cheaper. I have one on the radial Piet.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Prop choices for A-65 |
Thanks Jack, Geez, if I could get your RPM and climb numbers and Dicks MPH numbers
I would be happy.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: 10/21/2009 9:15:24 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
I get about 2100 RPM static, and 2150 on climb. Full throttle level flight I cant
quite get to 2350 redline. Solo climb on a cool day I get about 400 fpm.
Id like to at least have to throttle back in level flight to prevent exceeding
the redline. With a passenger on a hot day I get about 100 - 150 fpm
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Jack, What numbers do you get with the Sensenich? The reason I have been wanting
one is because they do pretty good on Cubs, and they are nice and fat and user
friendly for hand propping.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: 10/20/2009 4:42:50 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Ive got a Sensenich 72-42 and am not all that happy with it. I have a St Croix
76-36 that I have never tried but will some day.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Ryan,
Have had 2 props on Felix the GN-1, A-65, plane weighs 720 lbs.
1. McCauley Met-L-Prop 74-43. Climbs good can handle pac up to 220 if is not too
hot. Cruse at 2150 68 to 70 MPH. Max RPM 2375.
2. Hegy I got from Don E. 72-44 Climbs not as good can handle pac up to 180. Curse
at 1950 72 MPH. Max RPM 2150.
Interestingly, the plane seems to get 3.8 GPH with ether prop.
I would like to have a Sensenich 72-42.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: 10/20/2009 7:59:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Good morning all,
There will be an A-65-8 making it's way to our shop in a couple of weeks. I am
contemplating it's future. It is complete, and should be a runner; however it
does not come with a prop. I would prefer to have a wood prop on the Piet. Can
those of you that have wood props flying on A-65's on your Pietenpol's comment
on the make, size, and pitch that you are running, or you experiences in the
past with varying configurations? Thanks much, and have a good morning.
Ryan
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Subject: | Re: Props for A 65 |
Thanks for the info Gene. You have a sharp looking Piet there, and the prop
really sets it off. What speed do you see for cruising at 2150?
Ryan
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net
> wrote:
> Ryan, here is a photo of my 76 X 38 Jay Anderson Scimitar prop. Before
> it, I used a Sterba 74 X 38 which was good, but I like the Scimitar a lot
> better. It "bites" very well for climb and then seems to flatens out for
> cruise at 2150. Clears the ground with no problem.
> We held a Aviation Day here at OM4 on the 10th of this month and had a
> large number of WW II war birds plus the EAA B17, Aluminum Overcast, show
> up. I put my Ol' Piet out on the ramp, just in case someone wanted to see
> a real airplane. The B17 and the Piet stole the show! Crowd loved them
> both. Lots of comments on both the piet and the prop. The crew of the B17
> invited me to take a flight with them and I must say it was a thrill. I sat
> in the jump seat behind the pilot. I offered to let him fly my Piet if he
> would let me fly the 17. He didn't answer.
> Gene in Beautiful sunny Tennessee. (For the first time in several weeks
> I'll have a day off tomorrow and the sun is suppose to shine. I'll spend
> most of it flying N502R and the rest of it riding the Gold Wing.)
>
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Subject: | Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol |
FYI, most stainless tubing is 300 series annealed. That stuff has a
strength considerably less than normalized 4130. And its yield strength
is less than 6061-T6 aluminum.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
I took that one to heart very seriously in the metal placement for the
struts such that they are set for mounting above the half point rather
than below. I do appreciate the reminder and added that tidbit to my
build notes to insure that rule was not violated. Working with wood one
needs to be really careful about throwing caution to the wind.
I plan on metal for the jury struts stainless tubing I am thinking.
All depends on price availability and fitting attachment points.
Why invite corrosion if ya don't need too, I would prefer the added
weight and strength of stainless rather than the reduction of weight of
due to corrosion. Plus it looks really kool!
John
In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:09:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
generambo@msn.com writes:
this has probably already been said, or will be said a hundred
times, but just in case someone new has not already heard it, the jury
struts also prevent the struts from setting up a harmonic vibration that
could result in a catastrophic strut or fitting failure. The jury
struts MUST NOT be in the center of the strut in order to prevent the
harmonic. If they are in the center, the strut would vibrate equally on
each side of the jury strut, I.e. the same harmonic problem. I
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
Perhaps NOT.
Jury struts do not affect the strength of the flying struts, in
compression.
What the jury struts do is provide lateral support for the flying
struts, which makes them more resistant to buckling. Buckling only
occurs when a member is loaded in compression.
Jury struts also reduce the likelihood of strut vibration in
flight.
There's a whole science involved in determining buckling criteria,
but it basically has to do with slenderness ratios (a ratio of
cross-section to length).
Suffice to say that jury struts ARE REQUIRED on a Pietenpol or a
GN-1, built with typical streamline or round strut material.
Bill C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Ray
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:21 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
What I've read is the struts beome much stronger in compression
with jury struts. Perhaps twice as strong.
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Subject: | lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol |
Hi Jon,
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I don't know if I-can help you, since our Piet is not flying, but we have
-round lift struts, 1"OD .049 wall, 1025 steel.- That's stronger than n
ecessary.
Saludos
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Subject: | Re: Prop choices for A-65 |
Skip
Got 1 deer in early season so far. Regular season opens Nov 5.
Good to hear you are making progress on the Piet project.
I'm starting to look forward to Sun n Fun, now that winter is coming in.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Thanks Dick,
Sounds like that would be a little better cruise and about the same
climb.
I actually have a Sensenich, got it "thrown in" with an A-65 I bought
last week for the Piet I am building. The thing is, it was sold by
Sensenich as "souvenier propeller Cub style" and stamped on the back not
airworthy. Which I belive means they could not certify it. Two A&P's
told me they would fly with the prop, I haven't decided yet. There is no
pitch number stamped on the prop, it is 72 inches long.
Have you killed any deer yet? If not come on down to West Virginia, we
have way more than we need.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick N.
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 10/20/2009 11:05:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65
Hi Skip
I'm not Jack but I have an A-65 and Sensenich 72x42 also. I cruise
at 75-76 mph, climb at 150-200 fpm.
For anyone else, Culver Props does very nice work, is very customer
responsive and much cheaper. I have one on the radial Piet.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol |
Santago,
Are you going to use balsa to streamline your struts?
Saludos,
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 10:40 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol
Hi Jon,
I don't know if I can help you, since our Piet is not flying, but we have
round lift struts, 1"OD .049 wall, 1025 steel. That's stronger than nece
ssary.
Saludos
Santiago
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Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Still hoping to fly in 09
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
Congrats Ben!!!!! Way to go. Your airplane looks awesome and begs to fly!
!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 12:16 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings!
Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Still hoping to fly in 09
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
Beautiful airplane Ben. I really like your cowl!
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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>>> Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> 10/21/2009 12:16 PM >>>
Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Still hoping to fly in 09
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
Congratulations Ben. She's a beauty! I like the cowling, and the nice smooth
transition to the air filter. Can you provide some more info on the cowling
and how you constructed it?
Again, great job. Have a good day,
Ryan
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On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
> Still hoping to fly in 09
>
>
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
WOW! That's cool.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268833#268833
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Nice looking Pietenpol Ben. Congratulations ! Looks like all you need are
some wing fairings and safety cables on your bungees. (how's that for doing your
inspection from 1,200 miles away ?)
So who was the guilty culprit who dinged your nice paint job on your right wing
?
Bet it happened in transport/ straps/ tie downs no ?
I sure hope you get to fly in 2009. It looks like you could fly before Thanksgiving
or sooner to me !
(especially in your sunny state of Florida)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
Exciting for the rest of us too!! Congrats!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Oct 21, 2009 1:16 PM
>To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings!
>
>Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
>Ben Charvet
>Mims, Fl
>Still hoping to fly in 09
>
>
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
She looks great congratulations!
You got to love it when a plan comes together
John
In a message dated 10/21/2009 1:33:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bcharvet@bellsouth.net writes:
Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Still hoping to fly in 09
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Congratulations Ben. She's a beauty! I like the cowling, and the nice
> smooth transition to the air filter. Can you provide some more info on
> the cowling and how you constructed it?
>
> Again, great job. Have a good day,
>
The cowl is made of fiberglass and took 2 months to complete. I bolted
an old A-65 block to the motor mounts and inserted a piece of pvc into
the crankshaft hole to locate where the prop would be. Then I put a few
plywood frames around the engine and stapled wire lath to that. Next I
layed on layers of drywall mud until I had the general shape. Lots of
sanding, and I used two 5 gallon buckets of drywall mud. the thing was
so heavy I had to weight the tail to keep it from taking a nose dive.
After I had the basic male plug mold, I waxed it up real good and layed
5 layers of fiberglass cloth with polyester resin. Next itwas all
block sanded, bondo'd etc, like doing body work on your car. It really
turned out pretty nice and I hope it holds up, cause if anything happens
to it I'll replace it with something simpler made of aluminum!
Ben
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Looks good, Ben. Will we see it at Brodhead next summer?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings!
Congratulations Ben. She's a beauty! I like the cowling, and the nice smooth
transition to the air filter. Can you provide some more info on the cowling
and how you constructed it?
Again, great job. Have a good day,
Ryan
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On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Still hoping to fly in 09
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Ben,
Congratulations on a aircraft! It's pictures and post like yours that keep
me going.
Jack
DSM
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
18:42:00
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Subject: | Ohio Fall Colors |
Well I got the spider out of my pants, I mean fuel gauge and went flying to
day.- The fall colors look like they have peaked here in central Ohio, an
d it was in the 70's today, so flying doesn't get too much better than that
.- The old Corvair is running great, and pulls the Piet around at an hone
st 80mph, and about 4.5-4.8 gph.- It is always supprising here in the mid
west around harvest time to see how far spread the dust is when hundreds of
combines are out cuting off beans, and corn as far as you can see.- Toni
ght the dust was as far as I could see, and just looks like a light haze.
-- Looking down at the fields below it is always tempting to go surpriz
e the farmer on the tractor with a buzz job, but with my luck it would be a
n off duty faa guy with a keen eye for tail numbers, so I just fly along at
500 ft and enjoy waving to the people who look up.-
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio |
Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at m
y home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be.
- I was thinking about- next June.- We have plenty of runway and park
ing, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might
be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger).- It would
not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys
, or anyone else that wanted to fly in.- If any of you are interested let
me know so I can plan accordingly.- If there is enough interest I will p
lan further, if not oh well.- The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1
mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio.- This is just a shoot from the
hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since movin
g in here.- It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it wou
ld only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area.- I
t
would be nice to have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed.- Let me
know if anyone is intrested.
-
Shad- "Spiderman" Bell=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
Nice looking airplane!, Too bad about the gator flag in the- background t
hough.- Just kidding OSU ain't looking too impresive this year.- Just w
ondering what your lift struts are from.- Kind of look like modified trip
acer struts.- I have an old-set and have wondered about using them in t
he future if I ever Build a piet.
-
Shad
In sunny Ohio (at least for the next couple days)=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio |
I have an interest, even 'tho I'm in N.W. Michigan. Where is
Centerberg?-Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: Pietenpol Discussion
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio
Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol
gathering here at my home airport, and am wondering how many interested
people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty
of runway and parking, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even
shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse
in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of
the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or anyone else that wanted to fly in. If
any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly. If
there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The
airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of
Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have
been wanting to do for a little while, since moving in here. It would
be nice to have a gathering close enough that it would only be about 2hr
or less flight for most guys in the general area. It would be nice to
have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is
intrested.
Shad "Spiderman" Bell
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
She looks like the red baron!!!! I have snoopy on my tail feathers so look
out-- LOL!!!Nice and clean looking aircraft,a real beauty!!!=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellso
uth.net>=0ATo: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Wed, O
ctober 21, 2009 1:16:47 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings!=0A=0AP
robably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!=0ABen Ch
arvet=0AMims, Fl=0AStill hoping to fly in 09
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Subject: | Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio |
Maybe 2 from Hales Landing, outside chance 3.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 10/21/2009 8:58:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio
Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at my home
airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was
thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parking, camping if
anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill
into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just
a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or anyone else that wanted
to fly in. If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly.
If there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The airport
Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio.
This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for
a little while, since moving in here. It would be nice to have a gathering close
enough that it would only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the
general area. It would be nice to have fun, fly ho
me, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is intrested.
Shad "Spiderman" Bell
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
do you have a pictured about these plane I like to see my I think looks lik
e the black falcon from fly boys seyou jorge from hanford
--- On Wed, 10/21/09, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings!
She looks like the red baron!!!! I have snoopy on my tail feathers so look
out-- LOL!!!Nice and clean looking aircraft,a real beauty!!!
=0A
=0A=0A=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 1:16:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings!
Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Still hoping to fly in 09
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Subject: | Re: We have wings! |
What a good looking Piet Ben. You should be excited and happy; love the colors
too (red is my favorite).
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Oct 21, 2009, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Still hoping to fly in 09
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