---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/21/09: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (Bill Church) 2. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (Gene Rambo) 3. 05:10 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Skip Gadd) 4. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 5. 06:09 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Jack Phillips) 6. 06:37 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 7. 06:44 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Skip Gadd) 8. 08:04 AM - Re: Props for A 65 (Ryan Mueller) 9. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (David Paule) 10. 08:43 AM - lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (santiago morete) 11. 08:56 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Dick N.) 12. 08:58 AM - Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (helspersew@aol.com) 13. 10:27 AM - We have wings! (Ben Charvet) 14. 10:39 AM - Re: We have wings! (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 11:56 AM - Re: We have wings! (TOM STINEMETZE) 16. 11:56 AM - Re: We have wings! (Ryan Mueller) 17. 12:09 PM - Re: We have wings! (K5YAC) 18. 12:09 PM - Re: We have wings! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 19. 12:53 PM - Re: We have wings! (Jim Markle) 20. 12:54 PM - Re: We have wings! (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 21. 03:24 PM - Re: We have wings! (Ben Charvet) 22. 03:24 PM - Re: We have wings! (Jack Phillips) 23. 04:32 PM - Re: We have wings! (Jack) 24. 05:42 PM - Ohio Fall Colors (shad bell) 25. 05:56 PM - Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (shad bell) 26. 06:22 PM - Re: We have wings! (shad bell) 27. 06:38 PM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (Lagowski Morrow) 28. 07:16 PM - Re: We have wings! (H RULE) 29. 07:16 PM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (Skip Gadd) 30. 08:41 PM - Re: We have wings! (jorge lizarraga) 31. 10:02 PM - Re: We have wings! (Jim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol From: "Bill Church" Perhaps NOT. Jury struts do not affect the strength of the flying struts, in compression. What the jury struts do is provide lateral support for the flying struts, which makes them more resistant to buckling. Buckling only occurs when a member is loaded in compression. Jury struts also reduce the likelihood of strut vibration in flight. There's a whole science involved in determining buckling criteria, but it basically has to do with slenderness ratios (a ratio of cross-section to length). Suffice to say that jury struts ARE REQUIRED on a Pietenpol or a GN-1, built with typical streamline or round strut material. Bill C. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol What I've read is the struts beome much stronger in compression with jury struts. Perhaps twice as strong. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:49 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol this has probably already been said, or will be said a hundred times, but just in case someone new has not already heard it, the jury struts also prevent the struts from setting up a harmonic vibration that could result in a catastrophic strut or fitting failure. The jury struts MUST NOT be in the center of the strut in order to prevent the harmonic. If they are in the center, the strut would vibrate equally on each side of the jury strut, I.e. the same harmonic problem. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol Perhaps NOT. Jury struts do not affect the strength of the flying struts, in compression. What the jury struts do is provide lateral support for the flying struts, which makes them more resistant to buckling. Buckling only occurs when a member is loaded in compression. Jury struts also reduce the likelihood of strut vibration in flight. There's a whole science involved in determining buckling criteria, but it basically has to do with slenderness ratios (a ratio of cross-section to length). Suffice to say that jury struts ARE REQUIRED on a Pietenpol or a GN-1, built with typical streamline or round strut material. Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:21 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol What I've read is the struts beome much stronger in compression with jury struts. Perhaps twice as strong. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:22 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Thanks Dick, Sounds like that would be a little better cruise and about the same climb. I actually have a Sensenich, got it "thrown in" with an A-65 I bought last week for the Piet I am building. The thing is, it was sold by Sensenich as "souvenier propeller Cub style" and stamped on the back not airworthy. Which I belive means they could not certify it. Two A&P's told me they would fly with the prop, I haven't decided yet. There is no pitch number stamped on the prop, it is 72 inches long. Have you killed any deer yet? If not come on down to West Virginia, we have way more than we need. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N. Sent: 10/20/2009 11:05:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Hi Skip I'm not Jack but I have an A-65 and Sensenich 72x42 also. I cruise at 75-76 mph, climb at 150-200 fpm. For anyone else, Culver Props does very nice work, is very customer responsive and much cheaper. I have one on the radial Piet. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:20 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol I took that one to heart very seriously in the metal placement for the struts such that they are set for mounting above the half point rather than below. I do appreciate the reminder and added that tidbit to my build notes to insure that rule was not violated. Working with wood one needs to be really careful about throwing caution to the wind. I plan on metal for the jury struts stainless tubing I am thinking. All depends on price availability and fitting attachment points. Why invite corrosion if ya don't need too, I would prefer the added weight and strength of stainless rather than the reduction of weight of due to corrosion. Plus it looks really kool! John In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:09:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, generambo@msn.com writes: this has probably already been said, or will be said a hundred times, but just in case someone new has not already heard it, the jury struts also prevent the struts from setting up a harmonic vibration that could result in a catastrophic strut or fitting failure. The jury struts MUST NOT be in the center of the strut in order to prevent the harmonic. If they are in the center, the strut would vibrate equally on each side of the jury strut, I.e. the same harmonic problem. I Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: _Bill Church_ (mailto:eng@canadianrogers.com) Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol Perhaps NOT. Jury struts do not affect the strength of the flying struts, in compression. What the jury struts do is provide lateral support for the flying struts, which makes them more resistant to buckling. Buckling only occurs when a member is loaded in compression. Jury struts also reduce the likelihood of strut vibration in flight. There's a whole science involved in determining buckling criteria, but it basically has to do with slenderness ratios (a ratio of cross-section to length). Suffice to say that jury struts ARE REQUIRED on a Pietenpol or a GN-1, built with typical streamline or round strut material. Bill C. ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol What I've read is the struts beome much stronger in compression with jury struts. Perhaps twice as strong. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 I get about 2100 RPM static, and 2150 on climb. Full throttle level flight I can't quite get to 2350 redline. Solo climb on a cool day I get about 400 fpm. I'd like to at least have to throttle back in level flight to prevent exceeding the redline. With a passenger on a hot day I get about 100 - 150 fpm Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Jack, What numbers do you get with the Sensenich? The reason I have been wanting one is because they do pretty good on Cubs, and they are nice and fat and user friendly for hand propping. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: 10/20/2009 4:42:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 I=12ve got a Sensenich 72-42 and am not all that happy with it. I have a St Croix 76-36 that I have never tried but will some day. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Ryan, Have had 2 props on Felix the GN-1, A-65, plane weighs 720 lbs. 1. McCauley Met-L-Prop 74-43. Climbs good can handle pac up to 220 if is not too hot. Cruse at 2150 68 to 70 MPH. Max RPM 2375. 2. Hegy I got from Don E. 72-44 Climbs not as good can handle pac up to 180. Curse at 1950 72 MPH. Max RPM 2150. Interestingly, the plane seems to get 3.8 GPH with ether prop. I would like to have a Sensenich 72-42. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: 10/20/2009 7:59:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Good morning all, There will be an A-65-8 making it's way to our shop in a couple of weeks. I am contemplating it's future. It is complete, and should be a runner; however it does not come with a prop. I would prefer to have a wood prop on the Piet. Can those of you that have wood props flying on A-65's on your Pietenpol's comment on the make, size, and pitch that you are running, or you experiences in the past with varying configurations? Thanks much, and have a good morning. Ryan <> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution <> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:29 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 I am working with an A&P AI on my 0235 build up. He actually works for Sensenich in Lancaster one of their repair centers and original launch point of the wood and metal prop building companies. I am not certain when I will see him again but if you send me a pic and all the info maybe I can get him to shed some light on its origin, no promises. He is a rather skidish gentleman and may not be interested in supporting the notion of it being air worthy. He did tell me that when the business moved to Florida much of the wooden stock blanks were sent to the dumpster of which many were recovered by employees who collected the blanks, incomplete and not certified props. The one you have may have been one of those remnants which was not completed to certification standards and was branded as such for liability purposes. To my small and limited knowledge on the subject I suspect props that were blemished or not up to company standards were marked as non airworthy. I cant say that it would have been a deliberate market offering as I suspect building props with flaws for the fun of the novelty business would be outside thee company's Philosophy and business model. Lancaster county where cash is King. This information is speculative and based upon hearsay and conjecture and absent of fact which would require further investigation by interested parties to verify any of the speculative statements made herein. Not an engineer, rocket scientist scientific genius or legal mind, just me no more no less. John Do not archive In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:10:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, skipgadd@earthlink.net writes: Thanks Dick, Sounds like that would be a little better cruise and about the same climb. I actually have a Sensenich, got it "thrown in" with an A-65 I bought last week for the Piet I am building. The thing is, it was sold by Sensenich as "souvenier propeller Cub style" and stamped on the back not airworthy. Which I belive means they could not certify it. Two A&P's told me they would fly with the prop, I haven't decided yet. There is no pitch number stamped on the prop, it is 72 inches long. Have you killed any deer yet? If not come on down to West Virginia, we have way more than we need. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: _Dick N._ (mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net) Sent: 10/20/2009 11:05:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Hi Skip I'm not Jack but I have an A-65 and Sensenich 72x42 also. I cruise at 75-76 mph, climb at 150-200 fpm. For anyone else, Culver Props does very nice work, is very customer responsive and much cheaper. I have one on the radial Piet. Dick N. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:22 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Thanks Jack, Geez, if I could get your RPM and climb numbers and Dicks MPH numbers I would be happy. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: 10/21/2009 9:15:24 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 I get about 2100 RPM static, and 2150 on climb. Full throttle level flight I cant quite get to 2350 redline. Solo climb on a cool day I get about 400 fpm. Id like to at least have to throttle back in level flight to prevent exceeding the redline. With a passenger on a hot day I get about 100 - 150 fpm Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Jack, What numbers do you get with the Sensenich? The reason I have been wanting one is because they do pretty good on Cubs, and they are nice and fat and user friendly for hand propping. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: 10/20/2009 4:42:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Ive got a Sensenich 72-42 and am not all that happy with it. I have a St Croix 76-36 that I have never tried but will some day. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Ryan, Have had 2 props on Felix the GN-1, A-65, plane weighs 720 lbs. 1. McCauley Met-L-Prop 74-43. Climbs good can handle pac up to 220 if is not too hot. Cruse at 2150 68 to 70 MPH. Max RPM 2375. 2. Hegy I got from Don E. 72-44 Climbs not as good can handle pac up to 180. Curse at 1950 72 MPH. Max RPM 2150. Interestingly, the plane seems to get 3.8 GPH with ether prop. I would like to have a Sensenich 72-42. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: 10/20/2009 7:59:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Good morning all, There will be an A-65-8 making it's way to our shop in a couple of weeks. I am contemplating it's future. It is complete, and should be a runner; however it does not come with a prop. I would prefer to have a wood prop on the Piet. Can those of you that have wood props flying on A-65's on your Pietenpol's comment on the make, size, and pitch that you are running, or you experiences in the past with varying configurations? Thanks much, and have a good morning. Ryan <> http://www.matronics.com/contribution <> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Props for A 65 From: Ryan Mueller Thanks for the info Gene. You have a sharp looking Piet there, and the prop really sets it off. What speed do you see for cruising at 2150? Ryan On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Gene & Tammy wrote: > Ryan, here is a photo of my 76 X 38 Jay Anderson Scimitar prop. Before > it, I used a Sterba 74 X 38 which was good, but I like the Scimitar a lot > better. It "bites" very well for climb and then seems to flatens out for > cruise at 2150. Clears the ground with no problem. > We held a Aviation Day here at OM4 on the 10th of this month and had a > large number of WW II war birds plus the EAA B17, Aluminum Overcast, show > up. I put my Ol' Piet out on the ramp, just in case someone wanted to see > a real airplane. The B17 and the Piet stole the show! Crowd loved them > both. Lots of comments on both the piet and the prop. The crew of the B17 > invited me to take a flight with them and I must say it was a thrill. I sat > in the jump seat behind the pilot. I offered to let him fly my Piet if he > would let me fly the 17. He didn't answer. > Gene in Beautiful sunny Tennessee. (For the first time in several weeks > I'll have a day off tomorrow and the sun is suppose to shine. I'll spend > most of it flying N502R and the rest of it riding the Gold Wing.) > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:58 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol FYI, most stainless tubing is 300 series annealed. That stuff has a strength considerably less than normalized 4130. And its yield strength is less than 6061-T6 aluminum. David Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol I took that one to heart very seriously in the metal placement for the struts such that they are set for mounting above the half point rather than below. I do appreciate the reminder and added that tidbit to my build notes to insure that rule was not violated. Working with wood one needs to be really careful about throwing caution to the wind. I plan on metal for the jury struts stainless tubing I am thinking. All depends on price availability and fitting attachment points. Why invite corrosion if ya don't need too, I would prefer the added weight and strength of stainless rather than the reduction of weight of due to corrosion. Plus it looks really kool! John In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:09:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, generambo@msn.com writes: this has probably already been said, or will be said a hundred times, but just in case someone new has not already heard it, the jury struts also prevent the struts from setting up a harmonic vibration that could result in a catastrophic strut or fitting failure. The jury struts MUST NOT be in the center of the strut in order to prevent the harmonic. If they are in the center, the strut would vibrate equally on each side of the jury strut, I.e. the same harmonic problem. I Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol Perhaps NOT. Jury struts do not affect the strength of the flying struts, in compression. What the jury struts do is provide lateral support for the flying struts, which makes them more resistant to buckling. Buckling only occurs when a member is loaded in compression. Jury struts also reduce the likelihood of strut vibration in flight. There's a whole science involved in determining buckling criteria, but it basically has to do with slenderness ratios (a ratio of cross-section to length). Suffice to say that jury struts ARE REQUIRED on a Pietenpol or a GN-1, built with typical streamline or round strut material. Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:21 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol What I've read is the struts beome much stronger in compression with jury struts. Perhaps twice as strong. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:03 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol Hi Jon, - I don't know if I-can help you, since our Piet is not flying, but we have -round lift struts, 1"OD .049 wall, 1025 steel.- That's stronger than n ecessary. Saludos - Santiago=0A=0A=0A Yahoo! Cocina=0A=0AEncontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:55 AM PST US From: "Dick N." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Skip Got 1 deer in early season so far. Regular season opens Nov 5. Good to hear you are making progress on the Piet project. I'm starting to look forward to Sun n Fun, now that winter is coming in. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Gadd To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Thanks Dick, Sounds like that would be a little better cruise and about the same climb. I actually have a Sensenich, got it "thrown in" with an A-65 I bought last week for the Piet I am building. The thing is, it was sold by Sensenich as "souvenier propeller Cub style" and stamped on the back not airworthy. Which I belive means they could not certify it. Two A&P's told me they would fly with the prop, I haven't decided yet. There is no pitch number stamped on the prop, it is 72 inches long. Have you killed any deer yet? If not come on down to West Virginia, we have way more than we need. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: 10/20/2009 11:05:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Hi Skip I'm not Jack but I have an A-65 and Sensenich 72x42 also. I cruise at 75-76 mph, climb at 150-200 fpm. For anyone else, Culver Props does very nice work, is very customer responsive and much cheaper. I have one on the radial Piet. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol From: helspersew@aol.com Santago, Are you going to use balsa to streamline your struts? Saludos, Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: santiago morete Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 10:40 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol Hi Jon, I don't know if I can help you, since our Piet is not flying, but we have round lift struts, 1"OD .049 wall, 1025 steel. That's stronger than nece ssary. Saludos Santiago Encontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! 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Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! From: helspersew@aol.com Congrats Ben!!!!! Way to go. Your airplane looks awesome and begs to fly! ! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Charvet Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 12:16 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:08 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Beautiful airplane Ben. I really like your cowl! Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS do not archive >>> Ben Charvet 10/21/2009 12:16 PM >>> Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! From: Ryan Mueller Congratulations Ben. She's a beauty! I like the cowling, and the nice smooth transition to the air filter. Can you provide some more info on the cowling and how you constructed it? Again, great job. Have a good day, Ryan do not archive On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > Still hoping to fly in 09 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: We have wings! From: "K5YAC" WOW! That's cool. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268833#268833 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:36 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Nice looking Pietenpol Ben. Congratulations ! Looks like all you need are some wing fairings and safety cables on your bungees. (how's that for doing your inspection from 1,200 miles away ?) So who was the guilty culprit who dinged your nice paint job on your right wing ? Bet it happened in transport/ straps/ tie downs no ? I sure hope you get to fly in 2009. It looks like you could fly before Thanksgiving or sooner to me ! (especially in your sunny state of Florida) Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:20 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Exciting for the rest of us too!! Congrats! -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Charvet >Sent: Oct 21, 2009 1:16 PM >To: Pietenpol list >Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! > >Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! >Ben Charvet >Mims, Fl >Still hoping to fly in 09 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:28 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! She looks great congratulations! You got to love it when a plan comes together John In a message dated 10/21/2009 1:33:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bcharvet@bellsouth.net writes: Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:25 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Ryan Mueller wrote: > Congratulations Ben. She's a beauty! I like the cowling, and the nice > smooth transition to the air filter. Can you provide some more info on > the cowling and how you constructed it? > > Again, great job. Have a good day, > The cowl is made of fiberglass and took 2 months to complete. I bolted an old A-65 block to the motor mounts and inserted a piece of pvc into the crankshaft hole to locate where the prop would be. Then I put a few plywood frames around the engine and stapled wire lath to that. Next I layed on layers of drywall mud until I had the general shape. Lots of sanding, and I used two 5 gallon buckets of drywall mud. the thing was so heavy I had to weight the tail to keep it from taking a nose dive. After I had the basic male plug mold, I waxed it up real good and layed 5 layers of fiberglass cloth with polyester resin. Next itwas all block sanded, bondo'd etc, like doing body work on your car. It really turned out pretty nice and I hope it holds up, cause if anything happens to it I'll replace it with something simpler made of aluminum! Ben ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:25 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Looks good, Ben. Will we see it at Brodhead next summer? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Congratulations Ben. She's a beauty! I like the cowling, and the nice smooth transition to the air filter. Can you provide some more info on the cowling and how you constructed it? Again, great job. Have a good day, Ryan do not archive On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:52 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Ben, Congratulations on a aircraft! It's pictures and post like yours that keep me going. Jack DSM Do not archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:42:00 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:18 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors Well I got the spider out of my pants, I mean fuel gauge and went flying to day.- The fall colors look like they have peaked here in central Ohio, an d it was in the 70's today, so flying doesn't get too much better than that .- The old Corvair is running great, and pulls the Piet around at an hone st 80mph, and about 4.5-4.8 gph.- It is always supprising here in the mid west around harvest time to see how far spread the dust is when hundreds of combines are out cuting off beans, and corn as far as you can see.- Toni ght the dust was as far as I could see, and just looks like a light haze. -- Looking down at the fields below it is always tempting to go surpriz e the farmer on the tractor with a buzz job, but with my luck it would be a n off duty faa guy with a keen eye for tail numbers, so I just fly along at 500 ft and enjoy waving to the people who look up.- - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:06 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at m y home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. - I was thinking about- next June.- We have plenty of runway and park ing, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger).- It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys , or anyone else that wanted to fly in.- If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly.- If there is enough interest I will p lan further, if not oh well.- The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio.- This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since movin g in here.- It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it wou ld only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area.- I t would be nice to have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed.- Let me know if anyone is intrested. - Shad- "Spiderman" Bell=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:47 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Nice looking airplane!, Too bad about the gator flag in the- background t hough.- Just kidding OSU ain't looking too impresive this year.- Just w ondering what your lift struts are from.- Kind of look like modified trip acer struts.- I have an old-set and have wondered about using them in t he future if I ever Build a piet. - Shad In sunny Ohio (at least for the next couple days)=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:58 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio I have an interest, even 'tho I'm in N.W. Michigan. Where is Centerberg?-Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: Pietenpol Discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at my home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parking, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or anyone else that wanted to fly in. If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly. If there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since moving in here. It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it would only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area. It would be nice to have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is intrested. Shad "Spiderman" Bell ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:15 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! She looks like the red baron!!!! I have snoopy on my tail feathers so look out-- LOL!!!Nice and clean looking aircraft,a real beauty!!!=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet =0ATo: Pietenpol list =0ASent: Wed, O ctober 21, 2009 1:16:47 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings!=0A=0AP robably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build!=0ABen Ch arvet=0AMims, Fl=0AStill hoping to fly in 09 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:15 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Maybe 2 from Hales Landing, outside chance 3. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: 10/21/2009 8:58:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at my home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parking, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or anyone else that wanted to fly in. If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly. If there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since moving in here. It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it would only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area. It would be nice to have fun, fly ho me, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is intrested. Shad "Spiderman" Bell ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:26 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! do you have a pictured about these plane I like to see my I think looks lik e the black falcon from fly boys seyou jorge from hanford --- On Wed, 10/21/09, H RULE wrote: From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! She looks like the red baron!!!! I have snoopy on my tail feathers so look out-- LOL!!!Nice and clean looking aircraft,a real beauty!!! =0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: Ben Charvet Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 1:16:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 =0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:35 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! What a good looking Piet Ben. You should be excited and happy; love the colors too (red is my favorite). Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Oct 21, 2009, Ben Charvet wrote: Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! 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