---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/22/09: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:10 AM - Re: We have wings! (Gene & Tammy) 2. 02:47 AM - Re: Props for A 65 (Gene & Tammy) 3. 03:07 AM - Re: Props for A 65 (Gene & Tammy) 4. 04:01 AM - Re: We have wings! (Skip Gadd) 5. 04:34 AM - Re: Prop choices for A-65 (Skip Gadd) 6. 06:15 AM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (shad bell) 7. 06:28 AM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 8. 07:47 AM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (Lagowski Morrow) 9. 08:04 AM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (Don Emch) 10. 08:14 AM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 11. 10:13 AM - couple of Piets/ GN-1's on Barnstormers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 12. 11:43 AM - exhaust manifold [was Re: humped center section] (Dan Yocum) 13. 12:19 PM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (Doug Dever) 14. 01:13 PM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (coxwelljon) 15. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 16. 01:49 PM - Prop choices for Corvair (Michael Groah) 17. 02:18 PM - Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol (coxwelljon) 18. 03:09 PM - Re: Hanford Piet (Gary Boothe) 19. 03:45 PM - Re: Ohio Fall Colors (Tim Willis) 20. 04:42 PM - Re: Ohio Fall Colors (David Paule) 21. 05:11 PM - Cable travel on elevator (Michael Perez) 22. 06:12 PM - Re: Prop choices for Corvair (Rick Holland) 23. 07:33 PM - Re: Hanford Piet ok (jorge lizarraga) 24. 07:53 PM - Re: Hanford Piet ok (Gary Boothe) 25. 08:16 PM - Speed Check - was: Ohio Fall Colors (gcardinal) 26. 08:41 PM - Re: Speed Check - was: Ohio Fall Colors (Gary Boothe) 27. 08:57 PM - Re: Prop choices for Corvair (shad bell) 28. 09:20 PM - Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio (shad bell) 29. 11:50 PM - Re: exhaust manifold [was Re: humped center section] (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:21 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Awsome Bird!! Gene Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! > Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > Still hoping to fly in 09 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:42:00 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:10 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Props for A 65 Thanks Ryan, As an average, I show 76 mph. I measured my prop from ground to tip while my bird was in flight attitude and I have 8.5" of clearance. I was more interested in climb than I was in speed (the Piet is such a fast ship a few extra mph just doesn't matter) and she really climbs. If you like to hand prop with your fingers over the edge of the prop (I don't, I kinda like my fingers attached) then the Anderson prop may not be the prop for you. The prop edge is sharper than a lot of the others. Gene N502R (great flying day in Tennessee) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Props for A 65 Thanks for the info Gene. You have a sharp looking Piet there, and the prop really sets it off. What speed do you see for cruising at 2150? Ryan . Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10/20/09 18:42:00 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:38 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Props for A 65 Hi Tim, If you'd seen Western Tennessee yesterday, in full color, you'd never leave. The paint is Poly Fiber. The white is "Juneau White" and the green is "Everglades Green". The heat muffs are "T'ed" into each other and run to the carb. I really don't think heat into the cockpit would help much, as it's pretty windy in there. The stacks are stainless. I bought the stainless tube and fittings from AS&S. Thank you for your kind words. I'm looking forward to seeing your plane. How about some photo? Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Willis" Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Props for A 65 > > > Gene, > Your plane is a knockout, and the prop really helps the effect. I can > believe that you and the B-17 were the stars. > > A couple of unrelated questions: > -- Which color white and green on your paint, is the green "Cubby Trainer > Green"? > -- Do we see heat muffs on each side for rear exhausts, and if so, how > plumbed, one for carb, one for cockpit heat? Are your stacks stainless, > and where sourced? (I like your lack of merging exhausts, keeping good > flow, and avoiding custom complexity.) > > (I am planning white for my wing and much metal work [have that white > 2-part epoxy], and still considering many different bright and/or darker > colors for contrast.) > Tim in central TX > (still missing TN) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:42:00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:15 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Very nice Ben, Hope to see it in person next April at Sun N Fun. Skip > [Original Message] > From: Ben Charvet > To: Pietenpol list > Date: 10/21/2009 2:05:53 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! > > Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > Still hoping to fly in 09 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:53 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Thanks for the offer John, The prop came with a receipt on Sensenich letter head, with the words Souvenier propeller "Cub style" as the name of product being sold. Yesterday I installed the prop on the GN-1, tied it down, ran it up and than flew it. It went up to red line static, came off the ground very quick and climbed real good, had to keep backing off the throttle on climb-out. Cruise was only about 62 to 64 MPH, and that was at 2200 RPM. The pitch must be about 38 or less. I will take it off today and reinstall the McCauly. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 10/21/2009 9:43:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 I am working with an A&P AI on my 0235 build up. He actually works for Sensenich in Lancaster one of their repair centers and original launch point of the wood and metal prop building companies. I am not certain when I will see him again but if you send me a pic and all the info maybe I can get him to shed some light on its origin, no promises. He is a rather skidish gentleman and may not be interested in supporting the notion of it being air worthy. He did tell me that when the business moved to Florida much of the wooden stock blanks were sent to the dumpster of which many were recovered by employees who collected the blanks, incomplete and not certified props. The one you have may have been one of those remnants which was not completed to certification standards and was branded as such for liability purposes. To my small and limited knowledge on the subject I suspect props that were blemished or not up to company standards were marked as non airworthy. I cant say that it would have been a deliberate market offering as I suspect building props with flaws for the fun of the novelty business would be outside thee company's Philosophy and business model. Lancaster county where cash is King. This information is speculative and based upon hearsay and conjecture and absent of fact which would require further investigation by interested parties to verify any of the speculative statements made herein. Not an engineer, rocket scientist scientific genius or legal mind, just me no more no less. John Do not archive In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:10:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, skipgadd@earthlink.net writes: Thanks Dick, Sounds like that would be a little better cruise and about the same climb. I actually have a Sensenich, got it "thrown in" with an A-65 I bought last week for the Piet I am building. The thing is, it was sold by Sensenich as "souvenier propeller Cub style" and stamped on the back not airworthy. Which I belive means they could not certify it. Two A&P's told me they would fly with the prop, I haven't decided yet. There is no pitch number stamped on the prop, it is 72 inches long. Have you killed any deer yet? If not come on down to West Virginia, we have way more than we need. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick N. Sent: 10/20/2009 11:05:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for A-65 Hi Skip I'm not Jack but I have an A-65 and Sensenich 72x42 also. I cruise at 75-76 mph, climb at 150-200 fpm. For anyone else, Culver Props does very nice work, is very customer responsive and much cheaper. I have one on the radial Piet. Dick N. =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:41 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Centerburg is the geographical center of Ohio, 25 miles north of Columbus --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Lagowski Morrow wrote: From: Lagowski Morrow Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio I have an interest, even 'tho I'm in N.W. Michigan. Where is Centerberg?-Ji m Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at m y home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. - I was thinking about- next June.- We have plenty of runway and park ing, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger).- It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys , or anyone else that wanted to fly in.- If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly.- If there is enough interest I will p lan further, if not oh well.- The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio.- This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since movin g in here.- It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it wou ld only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area.- I t would be nice to have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed.- Let me know if anyone is intrested. - Shad- "Spiderman" Bell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c //mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:48 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Shad, Depending on the date and since I have no airplane to fly yet, its a drive for me, Ohio is not that far, so for the moment I am interested. I may be able to drag the camper along depending. I am certainly willing to make the trip if all the variable can come together, God willing and the creeks don't rise! You can count me in so far and keep the details coming! Thanks John In a message dated 10/22/2009 9:16:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aviatorbell@yahoo.com writes: Centerburg is the geographical center of Ohio, 25 miles north of Columbus --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Lagowski Morrow wrote: From: Lagowski Morrow Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio I have an interest, even 'tho I'm in N.W. Michigan. Where is Centerberg?-Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: _shad bell_ (http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aviatorbell@yahoo.com) (http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com) Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at my home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parking, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or anyone else that wanted to fly in. If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly. If there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since moving in here. It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it would only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area. It would be nice to have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is intrested. Shad "Spiderman" Bell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:31 AM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Thanks-Jim do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Centerburg is the geographical center of Ohio, 25 miles north of Columbus --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Lagowski Morrow wrote: From: Lagowski Morrow Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 9:29 PM I have an interest, even 'tho I'm in N.W. Michigan. Where is Centerberg?-Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: Pietenpol Discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at my home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parking, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or anyone else that wanted to fly in. If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly. If there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since moving in here. It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it would only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area. It would be nice to have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is intrested. Shad "Spiderman" Bell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio From: "Don Emch" Hey Spiderman... You can count me in. Probably bring one of the kiddos and looking to "crash" for the night. Ha! Tell B.S. I'll bring the rain. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268928#268928 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:05 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Shad-I'm game to attend if the weather cooperates that day/weekend. How about you head to Sandusky County on Sunday if you can for the Chili Fl y-In ? I am hoping to attend, even if I have to dress up in a parka with a Husky on my lap to keep warm. 11 AM-2 PM Sunday @ http://www.airnav.com/airport/S24 From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Centerburg is the geographical center of Ohio, 25 miles north of Columbus --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Lagowski Morrow wrote: From: Lagowski Morrow Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio I have an interest, even 'tho I'm in N.W. Michigan. Where is Centerberg?-Ji m Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell tenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at m y home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parking, c amping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be ab le to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or any one else that wanted to fly in. If any of you are interested let me know s o I can plan accordingly. If there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of t he town of Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and on e I have been wanting to do for a little while, since moving in here. It w ould be nice to have a gathering close enough that it would only be about 2 hr or less flight for most guys in the general area. It would be nice to h ave fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is int rested. Shad "Spiderman" Bell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:36 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: couple of Piets/ GN-1's on Barnstormers PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER A-65 LSA * $8,500 * AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE SALE * RE DUCED for immediate sale. Great flying little airplane, 380hr airframe, 380 SMOH (cont a-65) Basic VFR panel, no electrical. Very well built. Extensive annual completed in 5/2009 including top end overhaul. Needs tlc to be per fect. Some oil on engine. Shaft seal has small leak, small fabric repair et c. Possible delivery. 640lb empty, 450 useful load so its easily a light sp ort airplane. Built in 1990, i have airframe log, no builder logs. Airplane is Located in Arlington WA. Daily flier. * Contact Nikita C. Clark, Owner - located Seattle, WA USA * Telephone: 808-330-7106 * Po sted October 13, 2009 * Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser * Recommend This Ad to a Friend * Email Advertiser * Save to W atchlist * R eport This Ad * View Larger Pictures PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER PROJECT * $2,500 * FOR SALE * Fuselage, Spars, 2 sets ribs, tail feathers, gear legs and some other metal parts made * Contact Bi ll See - AERONCA 7AC LSA TRAIN 65HR WET FI FREE, Owner - located Centerburg, OH USA * Telephone: 740-625-6803 . * Posted October 7, 2009 * Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser * Recommend Th is Ad to a Friend * Email Advertiser * Save to Watchlist * Report This Ad 1977 GN-1 AIRCAMPER * $9,000 * AVAILABLE FOR SALE * GN-1 aircamper with Contenenta l A 65. Airframe total time 298 hours. 4119, TTE, 1198, SMOH,583 STOH. This is a basic day VFR airplane that is is a a ton of fun to fly. It is not a ten but has been a regular flyer. It has been hangered since I have owned i t (5 years.) * Contact Duane L. Woolsey, Owner - located Salt Lak e City, UT USA * Telephone: 801-824-3688 . 801-364-7743 * Posted October 2, 2009 * Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser * Recommend This Ad to a Friend * Email Advertiser * Save to Watchlist * Report This Ad * View Larger Pi ctures 2 PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER PROJECTS * $4,900 * FOR SALE BY OWNER * Huge head start! Both projects-one price. Many photos via web - picasaweb.googlx.xxx/ kirkh1 * Contact Kirk Huizenga, Owner - located St Pau l, MN USA * Telephone: 6517745916 * Posted September 17, 2009 * Show all Ad s posted by this Advertiser * Recommend This Ad to a Friend * Email Advertiser * Save to Watchlist * Report This Ad PIETENPOL * $8,50 0 * AVAILABLE FOR SALE * PIETENPOL GN-1 * $8,500 * FOR SALE * no engine or prop aircraft located in live oak, FL call 386 364 8357. * Contact Fred Dex ter - MACKINNON AIR SERVICE, Owner - located Loudon, NH USA * Telephone: 603 798 3148 * Fax: 603 798 3149 * Posted September 14, 2009 * Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser * Recommend This Ad to a Friend * Email Advertiser * Save to Watchlist * Report This Ad * View Larger Pictures ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:34 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: exhaust manifold [was Re: Pietenpol-List: humped center section] Clif, I like the look of your exhaust pipes. Did you make your own or did you buy them from somewhere? Mine are starting to rust through, so I'll need new ones real soon... Thanks, Dan Clif Dawson wrote: > I've also attached a pic of my throttle linkage > and left side exhaust manifold. -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:01 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Shad=2C Count me in. I don't have an airplane to fly=2C but it's not a very far dr ive. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: aviatorbell@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering=2C Ohio Centerburg is the geographical center of Ohio=2C 25 miles north of Columbus --- On Wed=2C 10/21/09=2C Lagowski Morrow wrote: From: Lagowski Morrow Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering=2C Ohio I have an interest=2C even 'tho I'm in N.W. Michigan. Where is Centerberg?- Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: Wednesday=2C October 21=2C 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering=2C Ohio Hello Group=2C I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at my home airport=2C and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parkin g=2C camping if anyone wanted to=2C and posibly even shower facilities (mig ht be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event=2C just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol gu ys=2C or anyone else that wanted to fly in. If any of you are interested l et me know so I can plan accordingly. If there is enough interest I will p lan further=2C if not oh well. The airport Ident is OH71=2C and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea=2C and one I have been wanting to do for a little while=2C since m oving in here. It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it w ould only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area. I t would be nice to have fun=2C fly home=2C and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is intrested. Shad "Spiderman" Bell href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________ _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID 24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio From: "coxwelljon" [quote="aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com"]Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at my home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parking, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or anyone else that wanted to fly in. If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly. If there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since moving in here. It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it would only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area. It would be nice to have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is intrested. Shad "Spiderman" Bell > [b] I doubt I'll be flying yet but would be interested. Road an old Honda 200 cc from Remsen Ny to Broadhead last summer. You would be only 1/2 the distance. -------- Jon Coxwell Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268964#268964 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:45 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio I guess that lets me out john In a message dated 10/22/2009 4:13:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, coxwelljon@frontiernet.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "coxwelljon" [quote="aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com"]Hello Group, I have been thinking of having a pietenpol gathering here at my home airport, and am wondering how many interested people there might be. I was thinking about next June. We have plenty of runway and parking, camping if anyone wanted to, and posibly even shower facilities (might be able to talk Bill into using his bunkhouse in his hanger). It would not be a huge event, just a local gathering of the ohio area Pietenpol guys, or anyone else that wanted to fly in. If any of you are interested let me know so I can plan accordingly. If there is enough interest I will plan further, if not oh well. The airport Ident is OH71, and is located 1 mile s/w of the town of Centerburg Ohio. This is just a shoot from the hip idea, and one I have been wanting to do for a little while, since moving in here. It would be nice to have a gathering close enough that it would only be about 2hr or less flight for most guys in the general area. ! It would be nice to have fun, fly home, and sleep in your own bed. Let me know if anyone is intrested. Shad "Spiderman" Bell > [b] I doubt I'll be flying yet but would be interested. Road an old Honda 200 cc from Remsen Ny to Broadhead last summer. You would be only 1/2 the distance. -------- Jon Coxwell Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268964#268964 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:44 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for Corvair Ok.. with all this talk about props for A65s I thought I would ask about props on Corvair powered Piets. What are those that are flying with them using? Manufacturer : Diam/Pitch : Static RPM : WOT RPM : Notes on performance numbers and if you're happy with the prop or you'd do something different next time. Thanks Mike Groah Tulare CA (working on FWF among other things) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: lift struts for GN-1 /Pietenpol From: "coxwelljon" [quote="moretesantiago(at)yahoo.c"]Hi Jon, I don't know if I can help you, since our Piet is not flying, but we have round lift struts, 1"OD .049 wall, 1025 steel. That's stronger than necessary. Saludos Santiago Encontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina. http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ > [b] The round set of struts that came with my project are 1 1/8" O.D. x .035. I do not know what grade of steel they are and really do not know how to determine that. I would like to think it is 4130 but will probably uses a lower grade for my calculations. -------- Jon Coxwell Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268976#268976 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:33 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hanford Piet Jorge, You're making great progress! Gary Do not archive -------------------------- Gary A. Boothe Sales Manager CALPLY Architectural Products Division Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Wed Oct 21 20:35:37 2009 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! do you have a pictured about these plane I like to see my I think looks like the black falcon from fly boys seyou jorge from hanford --- On Wed, 10/21/09, H RULE wrote: From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! She looks like the red baron!!!! I have snoopy on my tail feathers so look out LOL!!!Nice and clean looking aircraft,a real beauty!!! From: Ben Charvet Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 1:16:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:35 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors Shad, Thanks for the great mental picture. Someone on this site wrote of matching his shadow speed to the speed of tractors on the ground, so that his shadow lay over the farmer for a time. The farmer would laugh when he saw the Piet and the trick. This might have been Greg Cardinal or Oscar Zuniga. I surely recall each of them describing lining up for [mental] strafing runs and one of them (guess) has a V-notch gunsight in the cabane X-cables. To "shadow" a tractor, maybe there was a very heavy headwind, they were fully throttled back, and/or slipping down a shadow vector? No jokes now, about how easy it is for a Deere to outrun a Piet. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Oct 21, 2009 8:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors Well I got the spider out of my pants, I mean fuel gauge and went flying today. The fall colors look like they have peaked here in central Ohio, and it was in the 70's today, so flying doesn't get too much better than that. The old Corvair is running great, and pulls the Piet around at an honest 80mph, and about 4.5-4.8 gph. It is always supprising here in the midwest around harvest time to see how far spread the dust is when hundreds of combines are out cuting off beans, and corn as far as you can see. Tonight the dust was as far as I could see, and just looks like a light haze. Looking down at the fields below it is always tempting to go surprize the farmer on the tractor with a buzz job, but with my luck it would be an off duty faa guy with a keen eye for tail numbers, so I just fly along at 500 ft and enjoy waving to the people who look up. Shad ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:51 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors Brings to mind the time I was bucking a headwind in my old Cessna 170. I noticed that I was passing a truck and that made me happy. Then I realized that it was a farm truck on a dirt road..... David Paule > > > Shad, > Thanks for the great mental picture. > Someone on this site wrote of matching his shadow speed to the speed of > tractors on the ground, so that his shadow lay over the farmer for a time. > The farmer would laugh when he saw the Piet and the trick. This might have > been Greg Cardinal or Oscar Zuniga. I surely recall each of them > describing lining up for [mental] strafing runs and one of them (guess) > has a V-notch gunsight in the cabane X-cables. To "shadow" a tractor, > maybe there was a very heavy headwind, they were fully throttled back, > and/or slipping down a shadow vector? > No jokes now, about how easy it is for a Deere to outrun a Piet. > Tim in central TX > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: shad bell > Sent: Oct 21, 2009 8:33 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors > > > Well I got the spider out of my pants, I mean fuel gauge and went flying > today. The fall colors look like they have peaked here in central Ohio, > and it was in the 70's today, so flying doesn't get too much better than > that. The old Corvair is running great, and pulls the Piet around at an > honest 80mph, and about 4.5-4.8 gph. It is always supprising here in the > midwest around harvest time to see how far spread the dust is when > hundreds of combines are out cuting off beans, and corn as far as you can > see. Tonight the dust was as far as I could see, and just looks like a > light haze. Looking down at the fields below it is always tempting to go > surprize the farmer on the tractor with a buzz job, but with my luck it > would be an off duty faa guy with a keen eye for tail numbers, so I just > fly along at 500 ft and enjoy waving to the people who look up. > > Shad > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:06 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable travel on elevator I am curious if someone can go out to their plane and see how far their ele vator cable travels with full stick throw...full up to full down. I am tryi ng to get a feel for how far my push/pull tubes need to move.- Not worrie d about stick travel, just the-linear distance the cable moves. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for Corvair From: Rick Holland Tennessee 66x30 2950 static at 6700 ft. Will report static thrust when I find a big enough fish scale. Rick On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Michael Groah wrote: > > *Ok.. with all this talk about props for A65s I thought I would ask about props on Corvair powered Piets. > > What are those that are flying with them using? > > Manufacturer : > Diam/Pitch : > Static RPM : > WOT RPM : > Notes on performance numbers and if you're happy with the prop or you'd do something different next time. > > Thanks > Mike Groah > Tulare CA > (working on FWF among other things) > * > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:55 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hanford Piet ok tanks Gary please tallmy if you found problems, in these pict, before go fo rward I hope you like- seyou jorge --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hanford Piet Jorge, You're making great progress! Gary Do not archive -------------------------- Gary A. Boothe Sales Manager CALPLY Architectural Products Division Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Wed Oct 21 20:35:37 2009 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! do you have a pictured about these plane I like to see my I think looks like the black falcon from fly boys seyou jorge from hanford --- On Wed, 10/21/09, H RULE wrote: From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! She looks like the red baron!!!! I have snoopy on my tail feathers so look out-- LOL!!!Nice and clean looking aircraft,a real beauty!!! From: Ben Charvet Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 1:16:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 - - - le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:37 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hanford Piet ok I'll look closer, but it looked good at first look. Do not archive -------------------------- Gary A. Boothe Sales Manager CALPLY Architectural Products Division Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Thu Oct 22 19:24:08 2009 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hanford Piet ok tanks Gary please tallmy if you found problems, in these pict, before go forward I hope you like seyou jorge --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hanford Piet Jorge, You're making great progress! Gary Do not archive -------------------------- Gary A. Boothe Sales Manager CALPLY Architectural Products Division Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Wed Oct 21 20:35:37 2009 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! do you have a pictured about these plane I like to see my I think looks like the black falcon from fly boys seyou jorge from hanford --- On Wed, 10/21/09, H RULE wrote: From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! She looks like the red baron!!!! I have snoopy on my tail feathers so look out LOL!!!Nice and clean looking aircraft,a real beauty!!! From: Ben Charvet Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 1:16:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: We have wings! Probably one of the more exciting days in a 5 year Pietenpol build! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Still hoping to fly in 09 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:19 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Speed Check - was: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors Thread was drifting so I changed the subject..... I've never flown slow enough to shadow a tractor but a simple groundspeed check is to parallel the interstate highway and place your shadow directly over traffic. They will see the shadow and think it is a law enforcement aircraft. Traffic will invariably slow to the posted speed limit at which time you can judge your groundspeed by comparing your shadow speed to the traffic speed. Greg C. P.S. Just got back from a 5 day cruise onboard the USS Ronald Reagan traveling from Pearl Harbor to San Diego. Watched F-18's doing supersonic fly-bys at <500 agl within 1000' of the ship. No shadowing of John Deere's with an F-18. Wickedly cool stuff! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Willis" Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors > > > Shad, > Thanks for the great mental picture. > Someone on this site wrote of matching his shadow speed to the speed of > tractors on the ground, so that his shadow lay over the farmer for a time. > The farmer would laugh when he saw the Piet and the trick. This might have > been Greg Cardinal or Oscar Zuniga. I surely recall each of them > describing lining up for [mental] strafing runs and one of them (guess) > has a V-notch gunsight in the cabane X-cables. To "shadow" a tractor, > maybe there was a very heavy headwind, they were fully throttled back, > and/or slipping down a shadow vector? > No jokes now, about how easy it is for a Deere to outrun a Piet. > Tim in central TX > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: shad bell > Sent: Oct 21, 2009 8:33 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors > > > Well I got the spider out of my pants, I mean fuel gauge and went flying > today. The fall colors look like they have peaked here in central Ohio, > and it was in the 70's today, so flying doesn't get too much better than > that. The old Corvair is running great, and pulls the Piet around at an > honest 80mph, and about 4.5-4.8 gph. It is always supprising here in the > midwest around harvest time to see how far spread the dust is when > hundreds of combines are out cuting off beans, and corn as far as you can > see. Tonight the dust was as far as I could see, and just looks like a > light haze. Looking down at the fields below it is always tempting to go > surprize the farmer on the tractor with a buzz job, but with my luck it > would be an off duty faa guy with a keen eye for tail numbers, so I just > fly along at 500 ft and enjoy waving to the people who look up. > > Shad > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:56 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Re: Speed Check - was: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors Greg, Went on one of those tiger cruises myself in '96! It was a great week! Do not archive -------------------------- Gary A. Boothe Sales Manager CALPLY Architectural Products Division Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Device -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Thu Oct 22 20:16:02 2009 Subject: Speed Check - was: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors Thread was drifting so I changed the subject..... I've never flown slow enough to shadow a tractor but a simple groundspeed check is to parallel the interstate highway and place your shadow directly over traffic. They will see the shadow and think it is a law enforcement aircraft. Traffic will invariably slow to the posted speed limit at which time you can judge your groundspeed by comparing your shadow speed to the traffic speed. Greg C. P.S. Just got back from a 5 day cruise onboard the USS Ronald Reagan traveling from Pearl Harbor to San Diego. Watched F-18's doing supersonic fly-bys at <500 agl within 1000' of the ship. No shadowing of John Deere's with an F-18. Wickedly cool stuff! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Willis" Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors > > > Shad, > Thanks for the great mental picture. > Someone on this site wrote of matching his shadow speed to the speed of > tractors on the ground, so that his shadow lay over the farmer for a time. > The farmer would laugh when he saw the Piet and the trick. This might have > been Greg Cardinal or Oscar Zuniga. I surely recall each of them > describing lining up for [mental] strafing runs and one of them (guess) > has a V-notch gunsight in the cabane X-cables. To "shadow" a tractor, > maybe there was a very heavy headwind, they were fully throttled back, > and/or slipping down a shadow vector? > No jokes now, about how easy it is for a Deere to outrun a Piet. > Tim in central TX > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: shad bell > Sent: Oct 21, 2009 8:33 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Fall Colors > > > Well I got the spider out of my pants, I mean fuel gauge and went flying > today. The fall colors look like they have peaked here in central Ohio, > and it was in the 70's today, so flying doesn't get too much better than > that. The old Corvair is running great, and pulls the Piet around at an > honest 80mph, and about 4.5-4.8 gph. It is always supprising here in the > midwest around harvest time to see how far spread the dust is when > hundreds of combines are out cuting off beans, and corn as far as you can > see. Tonight the dust was as far as I could see, and just looks like a > light haze. Looking down at the fields below it is always tempting to go > surprize the farmer on the tractor with a buzz job, but with my luck it > would be an off duty faa guy with a keen eye for tail numbers, so I just > fly along at 500 ft and enjoy waving to the people who look up. > > Shad > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:50 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop choices for Corvair NX92GB has a Hegy 66-30, and it runs along at about 80mph, drinks about 4.5 -5.0 gph, and sounds like a cessna 210 when it goes by.- I don't know if you can get a Hegy anymore, ours was made in 03 i believe by Ray Hegy's gra ndson, in Marfa Texas. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:12 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interest in a Pietenpol gathering, Ohio Mike, I gotta work this sunday or I would love to go.- The little whipper snapper keeps me busy, and have not had as much time to fly this year, but I try to sneek an hour here and there.- This weather has been lousy the past couple weeks, I guess it's time to rig up the pre-heater, and get out the coveralls so I can go freeze some buggers to my upper lip, If i go down I guess I could eat them to survive for a couple days.- It souds like th ere is enough interest so I will start initial planning of the new "Buckeye Pietenpol Gathering", souds like there is a good possibility of having at least 6-10 piets.- By the way I read your barnstormers e-mail, I actually went down to Bills to get fuel here at the airport, and took a look at his piet projects.- The fuselage is built, tail feathers built, and he has 2 set of ribs. There is also another set of fuselage sides built, but not sk inned in plywood yet, and the completed fuslage is wider than plans by about 2 inches or so.- Any way enjoy the chili on sunday, and don't forg et your Tum-ta-tum-tum-tums. - Shad - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:02 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: exhaust manifold [was Re: Pietenpol-List: humped center section] I made them. I found a local outlet for mandrel bent steel tubing elbows and U's. I forget how much but not expensive so if you don't get it right the first time it's not a big expense. I bought a 6" channel piece from metalsupermarket, measured and drilled bolt holes from a cardboard template taken directly from the engine. I made up the front tube assembly with a long enough tube to go as far back as I wanted the exhaust to go with the straight part parallel to the flange.Then I fit the rear tube to that and it's flange. This part is really picky! Once that was fitted I marked all around that joint and cut out the straight tube to fit. Fiddled with this quite a bit too. This was spot welded then checked for fit on the engine. Once good and back on the jig it was fully welded. My welding is structuraly sound but not all that pretty so I filed and ground it till it was. It appears that wasn't such a great idea. :-) It looks real nice in the pics but isn't so hot in real life. Oh well. Oh yes, make sure your horizontal piping is parallel to the plane, not the engine if the engine is angled down at all. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: exhaust manifold [was Re: Pietenpol-List: humped center section] > > Clif, > > I like the look of your exhaust pipes. Did you make your own or did you > buy them from somewhere? Mine are starting to rust through, so I'll > need new ones real soon... > > Thanks, > Dan > > > Clif Dawson wrote: > > > >> I've also attached a pic of my throttle linkage >> and left side exhaust manifold. > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:44:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.