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1. 04:21 AM - 106 years ago today-prelude to flight (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:02 AM - exhaust manifold [was Re: humped center section] (tkreiner)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: 106 years ago today-prelude to flight (Wayne Bressler)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: 106 years ago today-prelude to flight (Jack Phillips)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: 106 years ago today-prelude to flight (Jeff Boatright)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: 106 years ago today-prelude to flight (Ryan Mueller)
7. 07:10 AM - Re: exhaust manifold [was Re: humped center section] (Doug Dever)
8. 08:06 AM - Re: exhaust manifold VHT header paint, ceramicoat (shad bell)
9. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: exhaust manifold VHT header paint, ceramicoat (Jack Phillips)
10. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: exhaust manifold VHT header paint, ceramicoat (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
11. 08:13 PM - Re: exhaust manifold [was Re: humped center section] (Darrel Jones)
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| Subject: | 106 years ago today-prelude to flight |
>From the diary of Orville Wright:
Wednesday, October 28, 1903
Kitty Hawk, N.C.
Spratt and I passed a very miserable night on account of cold.
We worked today on front rudder frame and uprights between rudder surfaces
till dinner at one o'clock. We spent afternoon in making a stove out of
a carbide can and putting it up. Tonight we are very comfortable. Spratt
put window in southwest corner of building. Dan struck on account of havi
ng to bring in wood for stove and left at 3 o'clock.
" ........about the only news is that of the strike last Wednesday. I bel
ieve I told you that about two weeks after we got here Dan came down one
Monday morning with the news that the price of fish had gone up, and that
he would like to know how long we expected to stay, and as to whether we
were depending on him for help. Well, what it finally sifted down to was
a demand for an increase of wages with the condition that we we were to
pay him by the week (seven dollars. Regular wages down here from $3.50 to
$4.50 per week), whether we had work for him or not. We agreed to this on
condition that he stay with us as long as we remained, and that he appear
for work every morning promptly at 8 o'clock, and work 10 hours. We volun
teered to allow him one hour a day for getting back and forth from work,
and to furnish him his dinner. Of course we had no work for him excepting
to do up the morning and noon dishes, with about a half day a week on the
hills gliding. Whenever we set him at any work about the building, he wou
ld do so much damage with his awkwardness that we found it more profitable
to let him sit around. Of course he was soon spoiled, and even went so fa
r as to complain when any work was wanted on the hill. No trouble develope
d, however, until the early part of this week when a cold snap struck us.
When Will told him to go over to the beach, and get some driftwood he str
uck, saying he wouldn't do it, as it was not reasonable when we could buy
a cord for $3.00 of Jesse Baum. The result was he took his hat and left
for home. " (Orville Wright to Katherine Wright, Nov. 1, 1903)
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust manifold [was Re: humped center section] |
Doug,
DON'T attempt to weld Titanium with an oxyacetylene rig UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
When Ti is ignited, it burns with a white flame, way above 2500 degrees, and can
ignite anything in it's vicinity. If it's to be welded it MUST be done in an
inert atmosphere, as with Mig or Tig.
My .02.
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Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269801#269801
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| Subject: | Re: 106 years ago today-prelude to flight |
I would have gathered all the driftwood in North Carolina just to have
been involved with the Wright brothers in 1903. I guess somepeople
were lazy and unmotivated back then, too. Just imagine what this
fellow would have been like with a TV or video game system!
Do not archive.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
Sent from the phone that made the Blackberry obsolete.
On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:20 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> From the diary of Orville Wright:
>
> Wednesday, October 28, 1903
> Kitty Hawk, N.C.
>
> Spratt and I passed a very miserable night on account of cold.
> We worked today on front rudder frame and uprights between rudder
> surfaces till dinner at one o'clock. We spent afternoon in making a
> stove out of a carbide can and putting it up. Tonight we are very
> comfortable. Spratt put window in southwest corner of building. Dan
> struck on account of having to bring in wood for stove and left at 3
> o'clock.
>
> " ........about the only news is that of the strike last Wednesday.
> I believe I told you that about two weeks after we got here Dan came
> down one Monday morning with the news that the price of fish had
> gone up, and that he would like to know how long we expected to
> stay, and as to whether we were depending on him for help. Well,
> what it finally sifted down to was a demand for an increase of wages
> with the condition that we we were to pay him by the week (seven
> dollars. Regular wages down here from $3.50 to $4.50 per week),
> whether we had work for him or not. We agreed to this on condition
> that he stay with us as long as we remained, and that he appear for
> work every morning promptly at 8 o'clock, and work 10 hours. We
> volunteered to allow him one hour a day for getting back and forth
> from work, and to furnish him his dinner. Of course we had no work
> for him excepting to do up the morning and noon dishes, with about a
> half day a week on the hills gliding. Whenever we set him at any
> work about the building, he would do so much damage with his
> awkwardness that we found it more profitable to let him sit around.
> Of course he was soon spoiled, and even went so far as to complain
> when any work was wanted on the hill. No trouble developed, however,
> until the early part of this week when a cold snap struck us. When
> Will told him to go over to the beach, and get some driftwood he
> struck, saying he wouldn't do it, as it was not reasonable when we
> could buy a cord for $3.00 of Jesse Baum. The result was he took his
> hat and left for home. " (Orville Wright to Katherine Wright, Nov.
> 1, 1903)
>
>
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| Subject: | 106 years ago today-prelude to flight |
Durned no good North Carolinians.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 106 years ago today-prelude to flight
>From the diary of Orville Wright:
Wednesday, October 28, 1903
Kitty Hawk, N.C.
Spratt and I passed a very miserable night on account of cold.
We worked today on front rudder frame and uprights between rudder surfaces
till dinner at one o'clock. We spent afternoon in making a stove out of a
carbide can and putting it up. Tonight we are very comfortable. Spratt put
window in southwest corner of building. Dan struck on account of having to
bring in wood for stove and left at 3 o'clock.
" ........about the only news is that of the strike last Wednesday. I
believe I told you that about two weeks after we got here Dan came down one
Monday morning with the news that the price of fish had gone up, and that he
would like to know how long we expected to stay, and as to whether we were
depending on him for help. Well, what it finally sifted down to was a demand
for an increase of wages with the condition that we we were to pay him by
the week (seven dollars. Regular wages down here from $3.50 to $4.50 per
week), whether we had work for him or not. We agreed to this on condition
that he stay with us as long as we remained, and that he appear for work
every morning promptly at 8 o'clock, and work 10 hours. We volunteered to
allow him one hour a day for getting back and forth from work, and to
furnish him his dinner. Of course we had no work for him excepting to do up
the morning and noon dishes, with about a half day a week on the hills
gliding. Whenever we set him at any work about the building, he would do so
much damage with his awkwardness that we found it more profitable to let him
sit around. Of course he was soon spoiled, and even went so far as to
complain when any work was wanted on the hill. No trouble developed,
however, until the early part of this week when a cold snap struck us. When
Will told him to go over to the beach, and get some driftwood he struck,
saying he wouldn't do it, as it was not reasonable when we could buy a cord
for $3.00 of Jesse Baum. The result was he took his hat and left for home. "
(Orville Wright to Katherine Wright, Nov. 1, 1903)
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| Subject: | 106 years ago today-prelude to flight |
What, are you some kinda Blue Devils fan?
>Durned no good North Carolinians=8A
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
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| Subject: | Re: 106 years ago today-prelude to flight |
Go Dooley?
do not archive
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
> What, are you some kinda Blue Devils fan?
>
>
> Durned no good North Carolinians=C5-
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust manifold [was Re: humped center section] |
Tom=2C
Din't realize I put Ti in with gas welding. would be kinda like trying to
weld Magnesium.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: exhaust manifold [was Re: humped center section]
> From: tkreiner@gmail.com
> Date: Wed=2C 28 Oct 2009 05:02:03 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Doug=2C
>
> DON'T attempt to weld Titanium with an oxyacetylene rig UNDER ANY CIRCUMS
TANCES.
>
> When Ti is ignited=2C it burns with a white flame=2C way above 2500 degre
es=2C and can ignite anything in it's vicinity. If it's to be welded it MUS
T be done in an inert atmosphere=2C as with Mig or Tig.
>
> My .02.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269801#269801
>
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| Subject: | RE: exhaust manifold VHT header paint, ceramicoat |
Jack and others, have any of you considered ceramicoating (cost?)-your pl
ain steel exaust?- I have thought about doing that to any future -exaus
ts I may need to build.- Another option is to use VHT exaust header paint
and bake it in the oven when the old lady is gone.- I did this with the
piet intake and exaust this past spring just to spruce it up a bit.- The
exaust is s.s. and the intake is just mild steel tube.- It is holding up
well on both, but my guess is mild steel exaust would rust from the inside
out due to corrosive properties of exsaust gasses.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | RE: exhaust manifold VHT header paint, ceramicoat |
I used clear VHT paint on the exhust, but it wouldn't fit in the oven so I
never got the full effect of it. It lasted well for about 4 years but is
beginning to rust now. I thought about pulling the exhaust and beadblasting
it and then repainting but being the lazy sort, I just sorta ignored it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: exhaust manifold VHT header paint, ceramicoat
Jack and others, have any of you considered ceramicoating (cost?) your plain
steel exaust? I have thought about doing that to any future exausts I may
need to build. Another option is to use VHT exaust header paint and bake it
in the oven when the old lady is gone. I did this with the piet intake and
exaust this past spring just to spruce it up a bit. The exaust is s.s. and
the intake is just mild steel tube. It is holding up well on both, but my
guess is mild steel exaust would rust from the inside out due to corrosive
properties of exsaust gasses.
Shad
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| Subject: | RE: exhaust manifold VHT header paint, ceramicoat |
I had the exhaust on my powered parachute ceramic coated about 8 years
ago, still going strong and still looks good.
Brian
SLC, UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: exhaust manifold VHT header paint,
ceramicoat
Jack and others, have any of you considered ceramicoating (cost?) your
plain steel exaust? I have thought about doing that to any future
exausts I may need to build. Another option is to use VHT exaust header
paint and bake it in the oven when the old lady is gone. I did this
with the piet intake and exaust this past spring just to spruce it up a
bit. The exaust is s.s. and the intake is just mild steel tube. It is
holding up well on both, but my guess is mild steel exaust would rust
from the inside out due to corrosive properties of exsaust gasses.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: humped center section] |
Jack and the group,
That's the way they weld stainless transfer lines at the wineries. They
have a plug to attach the argon on one end and put foil over the other
and keep a positive pressure going during the welding to ensure the
interior is inert. Of course, the wine never gets as hot as our
exhausts, but after a glass or two the pilots feels much warmer.
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
NX154JP
Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> For those contemplating stainless steel ehaust systems, let me share a
> little pearl of wisdom that I learned just a bit too late:
>
> My original exhaust system on my Pietenpol was TIG welded stainless steel,
> welded by my neighbor (who also welded my aluminum fuel tank). The welds
> looked good, but after about 30 hours of operation, the left stack broke off
> and was only kept from departing the airplane by the SCAT hose on the heat
> muff. I had my neighbor re-weld it, with an additional strut to help
> distribute the load. Then I flew the airplane to Brodhead and OSH (this was
> in 2005). On the way home, the right side stack broke off and was again
> held in place by the SCAT hose. I had to find a local welder make emergency
> repairs so I could make it home.
>
> I decided that stainless was simply not a good choice and made a whole new
> set from plain carbon steel, which I could weld myself. No problem with it,
> except that it has begun to rust. In another 10 years or so I'll have to
> replace it.
>
> Meanwhile, I was talking to a fellow who makes exhaust systems for race cars
> (TIG welded stainless), telling him of my troubles. He asked "What did you
> do to shield the inside of the tubing?"
>
> I just looked at him with a stupid look on my face (fairly easy for me to
> do), and said "Huh?"
>
> He said, "TIG shields the area around the weld with argon gas to prevent the
> weld from burning, but with such thin walled material, the metal on the
> inside of the tube is just as hot as the outside. You've got to shield it
> as well."
>
> He said that when he does a job like this, he plugs one end of the tube,
> then turns on the gas from the TIG torch and uses it to flood the entire
> tube with Argon. He tests to see if he has enough by striking a match and
> inserting it into the tube. If it doesn't go out immediately, he knows he
> doesn't have enough Argon to shield the weld.
>
> So when it comes time to replace my exhaust system again, I may give
> stainless another try, using this technique.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
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