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1. 05:47 AM - 106 years ago today- Prelude to flight (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 07:41 AM - Ed's Piet (Skip Gadd)
3. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: West System epoxy (Mark Roberts)
4. 11:39 AM - Re: Acceptable Glue for Ribs... (Mark Roberts)
5. 02:05 PM - Re: Ed's Piet (Gary Boothe)
6. 04:24 PM - Pinging Ted Davis (Tim)
7. 05:57 PM - Non Pietenpol Related (K5YAC)
8. 06:06 PM - Re: Ed's Piet (Skip Gadd)
9. 06:34 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Jack Phillips)
10. 06:34 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Jack)
11. 07:37 PM - Re: Ed's Piet (Dan Yocum)
12. 07:38 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Jeff Boatright)
13. 07:42 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (John Recine)
14. 07:53 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Robert Ray)
15. 08:04 PM - Re: Ed's Piet (Jeff Boatright)
16. 08:29 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (K5YAC)
17. 08:50 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Gary Boothe)
18. 09:18 PM - Dillsburg Aero price list (Ryan Mueller)
19. 10:59 PM - Re: Dillsburg Aero price list (Robert Ray)
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| Subject: | 106 years ago today- Prelude to flight |
>From the diary of Orville Wright:
Tuesday, November 3rd, 1903
Kitty Hawk, N.C.
Have engine and screws nearly ready. Completed attachments for working tai
l. Discovered that nuts for fastening on screws are missing.
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Thanks for the comments guys, Oscar, I did fly over the field on the third
flight pulled the throttle back and yelled down, the engine going quiet got
their attention and they said they could hear me just like I was standing
next to them.
Attached a picture of the Piet flying yesterday.
The Piet has a screen door spring attached to the elevator bell crank. The
forward end of the spring was attached with wire to the turtle deck
bulkhead, no adjustment in flight. The spring held the elevator about level
with the horizontal stab. In flight you had to hold forward elevator to fly
level. We disconnected the forward end of the spring and tied it up out of
the way so it would put no pressure on the bell crank. Now you have to hold
up elevator. We are thinking of ether taking the spring out and installing
a trim tab on the elevator, or trying to adjust the spring so the Piet flys
hands off with 5 to 7 gallons of fuel in the cowl tank.
Skip
skipgadd@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: West System epoxy |
Thanks for this bit of info!
I always sand epoxy to get better adhesion, but I didn't know the real
"why"... Now I do!
Mark
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:53 AM, chase143 <chase143@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Fred,
> West System is good stuff (I use it often on my wooden boat). Just fyi, o
ne
> issue which was brought to my attention and well worth understanding is
> =93Amine Blush=94, which is a waxy by product which occurs on the surface
as the
> epoxy cures. West System is one of these epoxies, and in wooden boat
> circles, a common phenomenon we live with, but take precautions. Wheneve
r
> attaching epoxy to epoxy, it should be cleaned off and then rough sanded
> first, otherwise adhesion may be compromised. A quick search on the inter
net
> will provide all the info anyone needs (if you are not already familiar).
> Nothing to get excited about, just something to be aware of. It=92s one r
eason
> I went with System 3, it does not produce Amine Blush by-product upon
> curing. Both good epoxies (IMHO), just fyi.
> Keep up the building!
> Steve
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270574#270574
>
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| Subject: | Re: Acceptable Glue for Ribs... |
Hey Graham!
Thanks for the feedback. At times, I wonder if my thinking and questions are
too mundane and stupid (I know: no such thing as stupid questions, but there
are some pretty bad ones :o) but now that I am actually beginning the build,
I run into things that I had not thought about, even when building in my
mind at night when trying to sleep.
I had planned to use T-88, and probably will when I get more involved with
the project as my income changes. I am one of the vast unemployed now having
been laid off 5 weeks ago, so I have time on my hands (looking for a career
job after 3 lay offs in 5 years equating to 4 jobs in 5 years looks
suspicious and "what's wrong with him" on the resume is making for no phone
calls off the job boards). So, I'd like to pass some of the time gluing
sticks together and started cutting the wood.
Now that I have the wood cut, I am starting the gluing and found that the
West Systems epoxy is being used to build. I think I will try that as I have
it already in the shop. I used to make fiberglass molds for R/C sailplanes
and still have it around.
Thanks for the feedback again. I am glad to know the longevity of the wooden
projects, even when not housed in a fully enclosed hanger. I worried about
that as there is simply no hanger room at the airport where I plan to have
the plane. However, there are some shelters there and that is where I will
try to store it (I have a ways to go for that problem!).
Thanks again!
Mark
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Graham Hansen <ghans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Your post prompted me to remove the inspection covers under the wing of my
> Pietenpol this afternoon and take a look at some of the ribs that were glued
> together in 1959 (50 years ago!), using Weldwood plastic resin. I couldn't
> find a problem with any of the ribs I was able to check, whether they were
> glued with Weldwood plastic resin or Aerolite (urea formaldehide glue which,
> I think, was developed for the DH Mosquito). The wing spars are laminated
> Douglas Fir I-beams using Aerolite, and still looked good. Polyurethane
> varnish (three coats) has provided good protection for 40 years, but the
> cadmium plating on nuts, bolts and turnbuckle ends seems to have
> disappeared, allowing these parts to show signs of rust. Curiously, the
> drag/anti-drag 1/8" carbon steel cables show no sign of rust and the painted
> steel fittings are still in good shape.
>
> The airplane has been flying since 1970 and has been hangared 99% of the
> time. The hangars have always been of the open tee-type with no doors, so
> air movement is almost always present.Our climate here in central Alberta,
> Canada is reasonably dry, as I expect it is in Fresno.
>
> In 1959 the choice of adhesives wasn't as extensive as it is today, but the
> best one overall was Weldwood resorcinal. It required controlled working
> temperatures which I could not maintain, so I settled on Aerolite which was
> less critical in this respect, and used Weldwood plastic resin in some
> places. Even then, casein glue, which had been for many years the standard
> for wooden aircraft construction, was no longer in favour and I refused to
> use it. Like you, I was operating on a tight budget and didn't have a lot of
> money to throw around. But I had been taught in aircraft maintenance school
> that proper joint fitting, adequate protection from moisture, provision
> for drainage and ventilation are essential. Even casein glue did well when
> these requirements were met, so I didn't worry too much about using Weldwood
> plastic resin.
>
> Today, there many good adhesives available. If I were to build another
> Pietenpol, or any wooden airplane, I would choose T-88. I have used T-88 for
> re-gluing joints after other glues had failed and find it works well for
> this. And I use it for violin repairs and construction in places where there
> will never be a need to separate parts. Hide glue (definitely not
> recommended for aircraft work) is used in such places.
> I'm not sure I would use plastic resin for aircraft anymore because I have
> heard it is no longer as good as the stuff Weldwood used to make and there
> are better adhesives around, anyway.
>
> Having said all this, perhaps the most important thing is to protect the
> wooden parts and glued joints from water, dirt, etc. by using a good coating
> (preferably an epoxy type) and provide drainage and ventilation. Hangaring
> your airplane is essential---even if it is in a basic tee-type shelter. If
> you can afford it, use T-88. With rib construction, a little will go a long
> way---provided you don't waste it by mixing too much at a time. Good luck
> with your project and I hope you have as much fun with your Pietenpol as I
> have had with mine.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Skip,
Certainly not my sphere of expertise, but Dick N. talked of adjusting the
'wash' of the horizontal stabilizers with the wires to help with such
problems.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet
Thanks for the comments guys, Oscar, I did fly over the field on the third
flight pulled the throttle back and yelled down, the engine going quiet got
their attention and they said they could hear me just like I was standing
next to them.
Attached a picture of the Piet flying yesterday.
The Piet has a screen door spring attached to the elevator bell crank. The
forward end of the spring was attached with wire to the turtle deck
bulkhead, no adjustment in flight. The spring held the elevator about level
with the horizontal stab. In flight you had to hold forward elevator to fly
level. We disconnected the forward end of the spring and tied it up out of
the way so it would put no pressure on the bell crank. Now you have to hold
up elevator. We are thinking of ether taking the spring out and installing
a trim tab on the elevator, or trying to adjust the spring so the Piet flys
hands off with 5 to 7 gallons of fuel in the cowl tank.
Skip
skipgadd@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Pinging Ted Davis |
Talked with a mutual friend yesterday. Did you get her e-mail?
Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270858#270858
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| Subject: | Non Pietenpol Related |
I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) about my weekend
adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on Sunday AND Monday.
I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they were trying to fill the
seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a seat). They had seven takers,
but three seats were needing filled. I wasn't even aware what was going on
when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come sign a waiver... you are
going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW! It was a great ride.
After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the jump flight
to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though for about 2 nanoseconds
and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the boss right now to let him
know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a 50 minute flight from Tulsa to
Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even got to take the controls for several
minutes. For those of you who have had the pleasure, those controls are
a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain altitude and perform a couple of
shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our event coordinator called ahead to Enid
and had the back room of their restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate
lunch together (a small group of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The
pilot signed my logbook with 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day
that I'll remember forever.
My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to a ride in Martha
Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real treat. I just know
that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face.
Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871
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Thanks Gary,
Now I remember Dick talking about that, I will see what I can find out.
I was working on other things today and Ed adjusted the spring to hold the
elevator exactly half way between the two positions I have flown. Will fly
it next good weather and let you know how it works.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/3/2009 5:09:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet
>
>
> Skip,
>
> Certainly not my sphere of expertise, but Dick N. talked of adjusting the
> 'wash' of the horizontal stabilizers with the wires to help with such
> problems.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (15 ribs down.)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:14 AM
> To: pietenpol-list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet
>
> Thanks for the comments guys, Oscar, I did fly over the field on the third
> flight pulled the throttle back and yelled down, the engine going quiet
got
> their attention and they said they could hear me just like I was standing
> next to them.
> Attached a picture of the Piet flying yesterday.
> The Piet has a screen door spring attached to the elevator bell crank. The
> forward end of the spring was attached with wire to the turtle deck
> bulkhead, no adjustment in flight. The spring held the elevator about
level
> with the horizontal stab. In flight you had to hold forward elevator to
fly
> level. We disconnected the forward end of the spring and tied it up out of
> the way so it would put no pressure on the bell crank. Now you have to
hold
> up elevator. We are thinking of ether taking the spring out and installing
> a trim tab on the elevator, or trying to adjust the spring so the Piet
flys
> hands off with 5 to 7 gallons of fuel in the cowl tank.
> Skip
>
>
> skipgadd@earthlink.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Non Pietenpol Related |
You da Man, Mark!
You are one lucky SOB. My suggestion is that you should go right out and
buy a lottery ticket.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related
I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) about my
weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on Sunday
AND Monday. I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they were
trying to fill the seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a seat).
They had seven takers, but three seats were needing filled. I wasn't even
aware what was going on when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come
sign a waiver... you are going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW!
It was a great ride.
After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the jump
flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though for
about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the boss
right now to let him know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a 50 minute
flight from Tulsa to Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even got to
take the controls for several minutes. For those of you who have had the
pleasure, those controls are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain
altitude and perform a couple of shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our
event coordinator called ahead to Enid and had the back room of their
restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate lunch together (a small group
of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my logbook with
0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that I'll remember forever.
My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to a ride
in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real treat. I
just know that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face.
Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871
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| Subject: | Re: Non Pietenpol Related |
Mark great flick thanks!
Jack
DSM
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On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:57 PM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) about
> my weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast)
> on Sunday AND Monday. I was working the event on Sunday afternoon
> when they were trying to fill the seats for the last flight of the
> day (at $400 a seat). They had seven takers, but three seats were
> needing filled. I wasn't even aware what was going on when the
> event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come sign a waiver... you are
> going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW! It was a great
> ride.
>
> After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the
> jump flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I
> though for about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here early. I'm
> calling the boss right now to let him know I won't be in." What a
> deal... it was a 50 minute flight from Tulsa to Enid, Ok... I shot a
> bunch of photos and even got to take the controls for several
> minutes. For those of you who have had the pleasure, those controls
> are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain altitude and
> perform a couple of shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our event
> coordinator called ahead to Enid and had the back room of their
> restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate lunch together (a small
> group of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my
> logbook with 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that
> I'll remember forever.
>
> My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to
> a ride in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a
> real treat. I just know that Grandpa was looking down with a big
> smile on his face.
>
> Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871
>
>
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Hey Skip,
Glad to hear that Piet finally took flight - I almost drove up to
Northern MN to take a look at it last spring but after talking
(emailing) with Greg C., decided against it. Sounds like there was a
lot of work done to get it in a stable flying state, and I just don't
have the time to tinker...
There are lots of people who use bungee cords around the stick as trim
adjustments - just slip the bungee up or down the stick as you see fit.
N8031 uses a screendoor spring with one end attached to a big washer
that slips over the stick and the other attached to a bracket under the
front seat. It works OK, except that the washer has a tendency to
vibrate down the stick after a while. And then 2 weekends ago while
slipping the washer up the stick, the grip popped off in my hand on
downwind and I was left with no trim at all during landing. That was
kind of exciting.
Cheers!
Dan
Skip Gadd wrote:
> Thanks for the comments guys, Oscar, I did fly over the field on the third
> flight pulled the throttle back and yelled down, the engine going quiet got
> their attention and they said they could hear me just like I was standing
> next to them.
> Attached a picture of the Piet flying yesterday.
> The Piet has a screen door spring attached to the elevator bell crank. The
> forward end of the spring was attached with wire to the turtle deck
> bulkhead, no adjustment in flight. The spring held the elevator about level
> with the horizontal stab. In flight you had to hold forward elevator to fly
> level. We disconnected the forward end of the spring and tied it up out of
> the way so it would put no pressure on the bell crank. Now you have to hold
> up elevator. We are thinking of ether taking the spring out and installing
> a trim tab on the elevator, or trying to adjust the spring so the Piet flys
> hands off with 5 to 7 gallons of fuel in the cowl tank.
> Skip
>
>
> skipgadd@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| Subject: | Re: Non Pietenpol Related |
Great experience and great video. Thanks for sharing.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Non Pietenpol Related |
Mark either that is the coolest all the way around or the best BS story I have
ever heard. We will get to the truth next trip. If you're still wearing the I
just got my ticket grin we'll know its the straight dope.
If not certainly a great yarn to share.
Cool no matter how you look at it.
John
Green with envy
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------Original Message------
From: Mark Chunard
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related
Sent: Nov 3, 2009 8:57 PM
I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) about my weekend
adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on Sunday AND Monday.
I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they were trying to fill the
seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a seat). They had seven takers,
but three seats were needing filled. I wasn't even aware what was going on
when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come sign a waiver... you are
going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW! It was a great ride.
After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the jump flight
to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though for about 2 nanoseconds
and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the boss right now to let him
know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a 50 minute flight from Tulsa to
Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even got to take the controls for several
minutes. For those of you who have had the pleasure, those controls are
a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain altitude and perform a couple of
shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our event coordinator called ahead to Enid
and had the back room of their restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate
lunch together (a small group of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The
pilot signed my logbook with 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day
that I'll remember forever.
My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to a ride in Martha
Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real treat. I just know
that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face.
Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Non Pietenpol Related |
WOW! I would like to do that!
Russell
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
>
> Mark great flick thanks!
> Jack
> DSM
> Do not archive
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:57 PM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) about my
>> weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on Sunday
>> AND Monday. I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they were
>> trying to fill the seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a seat).
>> They had seven takers, but three seats were needing filled. I wasn't even
>> aware what was going on when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come
>> sign a waiver... you are going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW!
>> It was a great ride.
>>
>> After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the jump
>> flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though for
>> about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the boss
>> right now to let him know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a 50 minute
>> flight from Tulsa to Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even got to
>> take the controls for several minutes. For those of you who have had the
>> pleasure, those controls are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain
>> altitude and perform a couple of shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our
>> event coordinator called ahead to Enid and had the back room of their
>> restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate lunch together (a small group
>> of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my logbook with
>> 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that I'll remember forever.
>>
>> My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to a ride
>> in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real treat. I
>> just know that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face.
>>
>> Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w
>>
>> --------
>> Mark - working on wings
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871
>>
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Hm. I don't have any type of trim. Of course, ALL of my landings are
kind of exciting...
>...And then 2 weekends ago while slipping the washer up the stick,
>the grip popped off in my hand on downwind and I was left with no
>trim at all during landing. That was kind of exciting.
>
>Cheers!
>Dan
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Non Pietenpol Related |
Yeah, I do have a "just got my ticket" grin. I know... it's almost an unbelievable
story (I can hardly believe it myself), but it happened... I know because
I was there. LOL!
I'll be happy to let you see my log book entry next time you are in town John,
but don't drool on it. Oh, don't drool on my new Aluminum Overcast pilot jacket
either. ;-)
I know, I'm still bragging. Can hardly help myself.
You know what else? This was my first tail wheel flight too. Hey, I know that's
a pretty thin claim, but I'll tell about this one forever! Ha! Sitting around
the pilot lounge with the young whipper snappers, many years from now... "I
remember back in ot 9 when I flew my first tail wheel airplane... a B-17 I believe,
or one of those famous big bombers from the century before..."
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| Subject: | Non Pietenpol Related |
Awesome, Mark!!! ....happy for you!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related
I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) about my
weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on Sunday
AND Monday. I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they were
trying to fill the seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a seat).
They had seven takers, but three seats were needing filled. I wasn't even
aware what was going on when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come
sign a waiver... you are going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW!
It was a great ride.
After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the jump
flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though for
about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the boss
right now to let him know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a 50 minute
flight from Tulsa to Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even got to
take the controls for several minutes. For those of you who have had the
pleasure, those controls are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain
altitude and perform a couple of shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our
event coordinator called ahead to Enid and had the back room of their
restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate lunch together (a small group
of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my logbook with
0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that I'll remember forever.
My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to a ride
in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real treat. I
just know that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face.
Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871
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| Subject: | Dillsburg Aero price list |
All,
I had the occasion to digitize the Dillsburg Aero price list for a few
friends this evening, so I thought I would offer it up to the list as well.
It's in PDF format, and is relatively current. I received it at the end of
August, and it is dated the 7th of August. Hopefully it will be of some use.
The link is good for 30 days; if for some reason you need to download it
after that time has elapsed just let me know, and I can send you a fresh
link.
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2314248/Dillsburg%20Aero%20Aug%2009.pdf
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Dillsburg Aero price list |
Thanks,
Russell
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I had the occasion to digitize the Dillsburg Aero price list for a few
> friends this evening, so I thought I would offer it up to the list as well.
> It's in PDF format, and is relatively current. I received it at the end of
> August, and it is dated the 7th of August. Hopefully it will be of some use.
> The link is good for 30 days; if for some reason you need to download it
> after that time has elapsed just let me know, and I can send you a fresh
> link.
>
> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2314248/Dillsburg%20Aero%20Aug%2009.pdf
>
> Ryan
>
> *
>
> *
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