Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 11/04/09


Total Messages Posted: 29



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     1. 04:41 AM - Edge Trim (John Franklin)
     2. 04:43 AM - 100 Years Ago (tbyh@aol.com)
     3. 05:03 AM - Re: Ed's Piet (Gene & Tammy)
     4. 05:05 AM - Re: Edge Trim (Gene Rambo)
     5. 05:24 AM - Re: Ed's Piet (Richard Carden)
     6. 05:52 AM - Re: Edge Trim (Gene & Tammy)
     7. 08:04 AM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Ken Howe)
     8. 08:17 AM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (K5YAC)
     9. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Ken Howe)
    10. 08:29 AM - Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (tkreiner)
    11. 09:27 AM - Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Tim Willis)
    12. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    13. 09:45 AM - Re: Ed's Piet (Dan Yocum)
    14. 09:52 AM - Re: Ed's Piet (Dan Yocum)
    15. 10:47 AM - Re: Ed's Piet (airlion)
    16. 10:51 AM - Re: Ed's Piet (Gene & Tammy)
    17. 12:44 PM - A couple of videos (Don Emch)
    18. 01:15 PM - Re: A couple of videos (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    19. 02:05 PM - Re: A couple of videos (Don Emch)
    20. 02:25 PM - Re: A couple of videos (Bill Church)
    21. 02:48 PM - Re: A couple of videos (Don Emch)
    22. 02:55 PM - Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Oscar Zuniga)
    23. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: A couple of videos (Ryan Mueller)
    24. 05:32 PM - Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Doug Dever)
    25. 05:37 PM - Re: A couple of videos (Don Emch)
    26. 05:40 PM - 106 years ago today-Prelude to flight (helspersew@aol.com)
    27. 06:20 PM - Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Clif Dawson)
    28. 06:39 PM - Re: A couple of videos (Jack)
    29. 06:54 PM - Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:41:52 AM PST US
    From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
    Subject: Edge Trim
    Does anyone know of a supplier for edge trim that will fit onto thin sheet metal? It's actually for a metal building but I might also use it on my Aircamper. I looked at McMaster but didn't see any that would work. Thanks, John F. ________________________________________


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    Time: 04:43:07 AM PST US
    Subject: 100 Years Ago
    From: tbyh@aol.com
    And 100 years ago today, Mr. A.P. Warner made the first airplane flight in Wisconsin at Beloit in a Curtiss that he had purchased from Curtiss himse lf...Warner was only the 11th American to fly and it was the first airpla ne flight west of the Wright Brother's field near Dayton, OH. For more inf o, go to the Wisconsin Aviation Hall of Fame Web site. And, by the way, Ro se Dorcey, the President of the WAHF, and her husband are building a.... Pietenpol Air Camper! Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 05:03:48 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: Ed's Piet
    Dan, like Jeff, I don't have any type of trim nor do I find a need for it. Have you checked your W & B carefully? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet > > Hm. I don't have any type of trim. Of course, ALL of my landings are > kind of exciting... > > >>...And then 2 weekends ago while slipping the washer up the stick, >>the grip popped off in my hand on downwind and I was left with no >>trim at all during landing. That was kind of exciting. >> >>Cheers! >>Dan >> > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:38:00


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    Time: 05:05:42 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Edge Trim
    If you are talking about rubber edge trim, look for Brown Aircraft Supplies in Jacksonville, Fla. They make hundreds if not thousands of different rubber/neoprene/etc items such as seals, firewall material, insulation, gaskets, and prices are great. I don't have info, but Google should turn them up. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: John Franklin<mailto:jbfjr@peoplepc.com> To: Piet_List<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Edge Trim <jbfjr@peoplepc.com<mailto:jbfjr@peoplepc.com>> Does anyone know of a supplier for edge trim that will fit onto thin sheet metal? It's actually for a metal building but I might also use it on my Aircamper. I looked at McMaster but didn't see any that would work. Thanks, John F. ________________________________________ www.aeroelectric.com<http://www.aeroelectric.com/> www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com/> www.homebuilthelp.com<http://www.homebuilthelp.com/> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>


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    Time: 05:24:44 AM PST US
    From: Richard Carden <flywrite@verizon.net>
    Subject: RE: Ed's Piet
    Skip: Is 2W3 on the way to becoming Brodhead East? Regards, Our best to you and Cinda. Dick On Nov 4, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either > of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text > editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-11-03&Archive=Pietenpol > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-11-03&Archive=Pietenpol > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Tue 11/03/09: 20 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 0. 12:33 AM - November List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle) > 1. 05:47 AM - 106 years ago today- Prelude to flight > (helspersew@aol.com) > 2. 07:41 AM - Ed's Piet (Skip Gadd) > 3. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: West System epoxy (Mark Roberts) > 4. 11:39 AM - Re: Acceptable Glue for Ribs... (Mark Roberts) > 5. 02:05 PM - Re: Ed's Piet (Gary Boothe) > 6. 04:24 PM - Pinging Ted Davis (Tim) > 7. 05:57 PM - Non Pietenpol Related (K5YAC) > 8. 06:06 PM - Re: Ed's Piet (Skip Gadd) > 9. 06:34 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Jack Phillips) > 10. 06:34 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Jack) > 11. 07:37 PM - Re: Ed's Piet (Dan Yocum) > 12. 07:38 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Jeff Boatright) > 13. 07:42 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (John Recine) > 14. 07:53 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Robert Ray) > 15. 08:04 PM - Re: Ed's Piet (Jeff Boatright) > 16. 08:29 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (K5YAC) > 17. 08:50 PM - Re: Non Pietenpol Related (Gary Boothe) > 18. 09:18 PM - Dillsburg Aero price list (Ryan Mueller) > 19. 10:59 PM - Re: Dillsburg Aero price list (Robert Ray) > > > ________________________________ Message 0 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:33:19 AM PST US > From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: November List Fund Raiser > > > A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" > of sorts for > the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a > List member makes > a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or > she will > instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest > of the month! > Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-) > > I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual > Contributions to support > the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware > and software that are required to run a List Site such as this > one. It also goes > to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the > huge electric > bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered > on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here > locally which > allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the > utmost in > reliably and performance. > > Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with > other Listers such > as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I > accept > exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I > can't stand > the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on > the Internet > these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email > List sites. > > > If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the > Matronics Email > Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Thank you! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still > see a Contribution > related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the > messages, > when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message > via the Forum. > The system keys on the given email address and since most of these > are anonymous > public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:47:10 AM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 106 years ago today- Prelude to flight > From: helspersew@aol.com > > >> From the diary of Orville Wright: > > Tuesday, November 3rd, 1903 > Kitty Hawk, N.C. > > Have engine and screws nearly ready. Completed attachments for > working tai > l. Discovered that nuts for fastening on screws are missing. > > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:41:50 AM PST US > From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet > > Thanks for the comments guys, Oscar, I did fly over the field on > the third > flight pulled the throttle back and yelled down, the engine going > quiet got > their attention and they said they could hear me just like I was > standing > next to them. > Attached a picture of the Piet flying yesterday. > The Piet has a screen door spring attached to the elevator bell > crank. The > forward end of the spring was attached with wire to the turtle deck > bulkhead, no adjustment in flight. The spring held the elevator > about level > with the horizontal stab. In flight you had to hold forward > elevator to fly > level. We disconnected the forward end of the spring and tied it up > out of > the way so it would put no pressure on the bell crank. Now you have > to hold > up elevator. We are thinking of ether taking the spring out and > installing > a trim tab on the elevator, or trying to adjust the spring so the > Piet flys > hands off with 5 to 7 gallons of fuel in the cowl tank. > Skip > > > skipgadd@earthlink.net > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:11:36 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West System epoxy > From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> > > Thanks for this bit of info! > > I always sand epoxy to get better adhesion, but I didn't know the real > "why"... Now I do! > > Mark > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:53 AM, chase143 <chase143@aol.com> wrote: > >> >> Hello Fred, >> West System is good stuff (I use it often on my wooden boat). Just >> fyi, o > ne >> issue which was brought to my attention and well worth >> understanding is >> =93Amine Blush=94, which is a waxy by product which occurs on the >> surface > as the >> epoxy cures. West System is one of these epoxies, and in wooden boat >> circles, a common phenomenon we live with, but take precautions. >> Wheneve > r >> attaching epoxy to epoxy, it should be cleaned off and then rough >> sanded >> first, otherwise adhesion may be compromised. A quick search on >> the inter > net >> will provide all the info anyone needs (if you are not already >> familiar). >> Nothing to get excited about, just something to be aware of. >> It=92s one r > eason >> I went with System 3, it does not produce Amine Blush by-product upon >> curing. Both good epoxies (IMHO), just fyi. >> Keep up the building! >> Steve >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270574#270574 >> >> > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:39:19 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Acceptable Glue for Ribs... > From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> > > Hey Graham! > > Thanks for the feedback. At times, I wonder if my thinking and > questions are > too mundane and stupid (I know: no such thing as stupid questions, > but there > are some pretty bad ones :o) but now that I am actually beginning > the build, > I run into things that I had not thought about, even when building > in my > mind at night when trying to sleep. > > I had planned to use T-88, and probably will when I get more > involved with > the project as my income changes. I am one of the vast unemployed > now having > been laid off 5 weeks ago, so I have time on my hands (looking for > a career > job after 3 lay offs in 5 years equating to 4 jobs in 5 years looks > suspicious and "what's wrong with him" on the resume is making for > no phone > calls off the job boards). So, I'd like to pass some of the time > gluing > sticks together and started cutting the wood. > > Now that I have the wood cut, I am starting the gluing and found > that the > West Systems epoxy is being used to build. I think I will try that > as I have > it already in the shop. I used to make fiberglass molds for R/C > sailplanes > and still have it around. > > Thanks for the feedback again. I am glad to know the longevity of > the wooden > projects, even when not housed in a fully enclosed hanger. I > worried about > that as there is simply no hanger room at the airport where I plan > to have > the plane. However, there are some shelters there and that is where > I will > try to store it (I have a ways to go for that problem!). > > Thanks again! > > Mark > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Graham Hansen <ghans@cable- > lynx.net> wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> Your post prompted me to remove the inspection covers under the >> wing of my >> Pietenpol this afternoon and take a look at some of the ribs that >> were glued >> together in 1959 (50 years ago!), using Weldwood plastic resin. I >> couldn't >> find a problem with any of the ribs I was able to check, whether >> they were >> glued with Weldwood plastic resin or Aerolite (urea formaldehide >> glue which, >> I think, was developed for the DH Mosquito). The wing spars are >> laminated >> Douglas Fir I-beams using Aerolite, and still looked good. >> Polyurethane >> varnish (three coats) has provided good protection for 40 years, >> but the >> cadmium plating on nuts, bolts and turnbuckle ends seems to have >> disappeared, allowing these parts to show signs of rust. >> Curiously, the >> drag/anti-drag 1/8" carbon steel cables show no sign of rust and >> the painted >> steel fittings are still in good shape. >> >> The airplane has been flying since 1970 and has been hangared 99% >> of the >> time. The hangars have always been of the open tee-type with no >> doors, so >> air movement is almost always present.Our climate here in central >> Alberta, >> Canada is reasonably dry, as I expect it is in Fresno. >> >> In 1959 the choice of adhesives wasn't as extensive as it is >> today, but the >> best one overall was Weldwood resorcinal. It required controlled >> working >> temperatures which I could not maintain, so I settled on Aerolite >> which was >> less critical in this respect, and used Weldwood plastic resin in >> some >> places. Even then, casein glue, which had been for many years the >> standard >> for wooden aircraft construction, was no longer in favour and I >> refused to >> use it. Like you, I was operating on a tight budget and didn't >> have a lot of >> money to throw around. But I had been taught in aircraft >> maintenance school >> that proper joint fitting, adequate protection from moisture, >> provision >> for drainage and ventilation are essential. Even casein glue did >> well when >> these requirements were met, so I didn't worry too much about >> using Weldwood >> plastic resin. >> >> Today, there many good adhesives available. If I were to build >> another >> Pietenpol, or any wooden airplane, I would choose T-88. I have >> used T-88 for >> re-gluing joints after other glues had failed and find it works >> well for >> this. And I use it for violin repairs and construction in places >> where there >> will never be a need to separate parts. Hide glue (definitely not >> recommended for aircraft work) is used in such places. >> I'm not sure I would use plastic resin for aircraft anymore >> because I have >> heard it is no longer as good as the stuff Weldwood used to make >> and there >> are better adhesives around, anyway. >> >> Having said all this, perhaps the most important thing is to >> protect the >> wooden parts and glued joints from water, dirt, etc. by using a >> good coating >> (preferably an epoxy type) and provide drainage and ventilation. >> Hangaring >> your airplane is essential---even if it is in a basic tee-type >> shelter. If >> you can afford it, use T-88. With rib construction, a little will >> go a long >> way---provided you don't waste it by mixing too much at a time. >> Good luck >> with your project and I hope you have as much fun with your >> Pietenpol as I >> have had with mine. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:05:46 PM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet > > > Skip, > > Certainly not my sphere of expertise, but Dick N. talked of > adjusting the > 'wash' of the horizontal stabilizers with the wires to help with such > problems. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Skip Gadd > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:14 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet > > Thanks for the comments guys, Oscar, I did fly over the field on > the third > flight pulled the throttle back and yelled down, the engine going > quiet got > their attention and they said they could hear me just like I was > standing > next to them. > Attached a picture of the Piet flying yesterday. > The Piet has a screen door spring attached to the elevator bell > crank. The > forward end of the spring was attached with wire to the turtle deck > bulkhead, no adjustment in flight. The spring held the elevator > about level > with the horizontal stab. In flight you had to hold forward > elevator to fly > level. We disconnected the forward end of the spring and tied it up > out of > the way so it would put no pressure on the bell crank. Now you have > to hold > up elevator. We are thinking of ether taking the spring out and > installing > a trim tab on the elevator, or trying to adjust the spring so the > Piet flys > hands off with 5 to 7 gallons of fuel in the cowl tank. > Skip > > > skipgadd@earthlink.net > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:24:52 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pinging Ted Davis > From: "Tim" <twilliams@mailmt.com> > > > Talked with a mutual friend yesterday. Did you get her e-mail? > > Tim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270858#270858 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:57:27 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> > > > I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) > about my weekend > adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on Sunday > AND Monday. > I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they were trying > to fill the > seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a seat). They had > seven takers, > but three seats were needing filled. I wasn't even aware what was > going on > when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come sign a > waiver... you are > going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW! It was a great > ride. > > After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the > jump flight > to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though for > about 2 nanoseconds > and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the boss right now to > let him > know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a 50 minute flight from > Tulsa to > Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even got to take the > controls for several > minutes. For those of you who have had the pleasure, those > controls are > a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain altitude and perform a > couple of > shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our event coordinator called > ahead to Enid > and had the back room of their restaurant reserved for us, where we > all ate > lunch together (a small group of passengers and crew). It was > awesome? The > pilot signed my logbook with 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A > B-17!! A day > that I'll remember forever. > > My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to > a ride in Martha > Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real treat. I > just know > that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face. > > Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:06:23 PM PST US > From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet > > > Thanks Gary, > Now I remember Dick talking about that, I will see what I can find > out. > I was working on other things today and Ed adjusted the spring to > hold the > elevator exactly half way between the two positions I have flown. > Will fly > it next good weather and let you know how it works. > Skip > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Date: 11/3/2009 5:09:48 PM >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet >> >> >> Skip, >> >> Certainly not my sphere of expertise, but Dick N. talked of >> adjusting the >> 'wash' of the horizontal stabilizers with the wires to help with such >> problems. >> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, Ca. >> Pietenpol >> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> (15 ribs down.) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> Skip Gadd >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:14 AM >> To: pietenpol-list >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet >> >> Thanks for the comments guys, Oscar, I did fly over the field on >> the third >> flight pulled the throttle back and yelled down, the engine going >> quiet > got >> their attention and they said they could hear me just like I was >> standing >> next to them. >> Attached a picture of the Piet flying yesterday. >> The Piet has a screen door spring attached to the elevator bell >> crank. The >> forward end of the spring was attached with wire to the turtle deck >> bulkhead, no adjustment in flight. The spring held the elevator about > level >> with the horizontal stab. In flight you had to hold forward >> elevator to > fly >> level. We disconnected the forward end of the spring and tied it >> up out of >> the way so it would put no pressure on the bell crank. Now you >> have to > hold >> up elevator. We are thinking of ether taking the spring out and >> installing >> a trim tab on the elevator, or trying to adjust the spring so the >> Piet > flys >> hands off with 5 to 7 gallons of fuel in the cowl tank. >> Skip >> >> >> skipgadd@earthlink.net >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:34:28 PM PST US > From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > > > You da Man, Mark! > > You are one lucky SOB. My suggestion is that you should go right > out and > buy a lottery ticket. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:57 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > > > I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) > about my > weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on > Sunday > AND Monday. I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they > were > trying to fill the seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a > seat). > They had seven takers, but three seats were needing filled. I > wasn't even > aware what was going on when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey > Mark, come > sign a waiver... you are going up!" I was honestly a bit > dumbfounded. WOW! > It was a great ride. > > After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the > jump > flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though > for > about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the > boss > right now to let him know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a > 50 minute > flight from Tulsa to Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even > got to > take the controls for several minutes. For those of you who have > had the > pleasure, those controls are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to > maintain > altitude and perform a couple of shallow turns. I didn't do too > bad. Our > event coordinator called ahead to Enid and had the back room of their > restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate lunch together (a > small group > of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my > logbook with > 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that I'll remember > forever. > > > My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to > a ride > in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real > treat. I > just know that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face. > > Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:34:45 PM PST US > From: Jack <jack@textors.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > > > Mark great flick thanks! > Jack > DSM > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:57 PM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> wrote: > >> >> I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) about >> my weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) >> on Sunday AND Monday. I was working the event on Sunday afternoon >> when they were trying to fill the seats for the last flight of the >> day (at $400 a seat). They had seven takers, but three seats were >> needing filled. I wasn't even aware what was going on when the >> event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come sign a waiver... you are >> going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW! It was a great >> ride. >> >> After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the >> jump flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I >> though for about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here early. I'm >> calling the boss right now to let him know I won't be in." What a >> deal... it was a 50 minute flight from Tulsa to Enid, Ok... I shot a >> bunch of photos and even got to take the controls for several >> minutes. For those of you who have had the pleasure, those controls >> are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain altitude and >> perform a couple of shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our event >> coordinator called ahead to Enid and had the back room of their >> restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate lunch together (a small >> group of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my >> logbook with 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that >> I'll remember forever. >> >> My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to >> a ride in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a >> real treat. I just know that Grandpa was looking down with a big >> smile on his face. >> >> Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w >> >> -------- >> Mark - working on wings >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:37:57 PM PST US > From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet > > > Hey Skip, > > Glad to hear that Piet finally took flight - I almost drove up to > Northern MN to take a look at it last spring but after talking > (emailing) with Greg C., decided against it. Sounds like there was a > lot of work done to get it in a stable flying state, and I just don't > have the time to tinker... > > There are lots of people who use bungee cords around the stick as trim > adjustments - just slip the bungee up or down the stick as you see > fit. > N8031 uses a screendoor spring with one end attached to a big washer > that slips over the stick and the other attached to a bracket under > the > front seat. It works OK, except that the washer has a tendency to > vibrate down the stick after a while. And then 2 weekends ago while > slipping the washer up the stick, the grip popped off in my hand on > downwind and I was left with no trim at all during landing. That was > kind of exciting. > > Cheers! > Dan > > > Skip Gadd wrote: >> Thanks for the comments guys, Oscar, I did fly over the field on >> the third >> flight pulled the throttle back and yelled down, the engine going >> quiet got >> their attention and they said they could hear me just like I was >> standing >> next to them. >> Attached a picture of the Piet flying yesterday. >> The Piet has a screen door spring attached to the elevator bell >> crank. The >> forward end of the spring was attached with wire to the turtle deck >> bulkhead, no adjustment in flight. The spring held the elevator >> about level >> with the horizontal stab. In flight you had to hold forward >> elevator to fly >> level. We disconnected the forward end of the spring and tied it >> up out of >> the way so it would put no pressure on the bell crank. Now you >> have to hold >> up elevator. We are thinking of ether taking the spring out and >> installing >> a trim tab on the elevator, or trying to adjust the spring so the >> Piet flys >> hands off with 5 to 7 gallons of fuel in the cowl tank. >> Skip >> >> >> skipgadd@earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > Fermilab. Just zeros and ones. > > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:38:19 PM PST US > From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > > > Great experience and great video. Thanks for sharing. > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:43 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com> > > > Mark either that is the coolest all the way around or the best BS > story I have > ever heard. We will get to the truth next trip. If you're still > wearing the I > just got my ticket grin we'll know its the straight dope. > > If not certainly a great yarn to share. > > Cool no matter how you look at it. > > John > > Green with envy > > Do not archive > ------Original Message------ > From: Mark Chunard > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > Sent: Nov 3, 2009 8:57 PM > > > I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) > about my weekend > adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on Sunday > AND Monday. > I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they were trying > to fill the > seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a seat). They had > seven takers, > but three seats were needing filled. I wasn't even aware what was > going on > when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come sign a > waiver... you are > going up!" I was honestly a bit dumbfounded. WOW! It was a great > ride. > > After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the > jump flight > to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though for > about 2 nanoseconds > and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the boss right now to > let him > know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a 50 minute flight from > Tulsa to > Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even got to take the > controls for several > minutes. For those of you who have had the pleasure, those > controls are > a bit heavy, right? I attempted to maintain altitude and perform a > couple of > shallow turns. I didn't do too bad. Our event coordinator called > ahead to Enid > and had the back room of their restaurant reserved for us, where we > all ate > lunch together (a small group of passengers and crew). It was > awesome? The > pilot signed my logbook with 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A > B-17!! A day > that I'll remember forever. > > My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to > a ride in Martha > Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real treat. I > just know > that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face. > > Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871 > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > ________________________________ Message 14 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:53:33 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > From: Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> > > WOW! I would like to do that! > > Russell > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote: > >> >> Mark great flick thanks! >> Jack >> DSM >> Do not archive >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:57 PM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) >>> about my >>> weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) >>> on Sunday >>> AND Monday. I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when >>> they were >>> trying to fill the seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 >>> a seat). >>> They had seven takers, but three seats were needing filled. I >>> wasn't even >>> aware what was going on when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey >>> Mark, come >>> sign a waiver... you are going up!" I was honestly a bit >>> dumbfounded. WOW! >>> It was a great ride. >>> >>> After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on >>> the jump >>> flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I >>> though for >>> about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling >>> the boss >>> right now to let him know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a >>> 50 minute >>> flight from Tulsa to Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and >>> even got to >>> take the controls for several minutes. For those of you who have >>> had the >>> pleasure, those controls are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to >>> maintain >>> altitude and perform a couple of shallow turns. I didn't do too >>> bad. Our >>> event coordinator called ahead to Enid and had the back room of >>> their >>> restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate lunch together (a >>> small group >>> of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my >>> logbook with >>> 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that I'll >>> remember forever. >>> >>> My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward >>> to a ride >>> in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real >>> treat. I >>> just know that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his >>> face. >>> >>> Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy! >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w >>> >>> -------- >>> Mark - working on wings >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:04:31 PM PST US > From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet > > > Hm. I don't have any type of trim. Of course, ALL of my landings are > kind of exciting... > > >> ...And then 2 weekends ago while slipping the washer up the stick, >> the grip popped off in my hand on downwind and I was left with no >> trim at all during landing. That was kind of exciting. >> >> Cheers! >> Dan >> > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > > ________________________________ Message 16 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:29:59 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non Pietenpol Related > From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> > > > Yeah, I do have a "just got my ticket" grin. I know... it's almost > an unbelievable > story (I can hardly believe it myself), but it happened... I know > because > I was there. LOL! > > I'll be happy to let you see my log book entry next time you are in > town John, > but don't drool on it. Oh, don't drool on my new Aluminum Overcast > pilot jacket > either. ;-) > > I know, I'm still bragging. Can hardly help myself. > > You know what else? This was my first tail wheel flight too. Hey, > I know that's > a pretty thin claim, but I'll tell about this one forever! Ha! > Sitting around > the pilot lounge with the young whipper snappers, many years from > now... "I > remember back in ot 9 when I flew my first tail wheel airplane... a > B-17 I believe, > or one of those famous big bombers from the century before..." > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270895#270895 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:50:17 PM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > > > Awesome, Mark!!! ....happy for you! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (15 ribs down.) > Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:57 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Non Pietenpol Related > > > I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) > about my > weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum Overcast) on > Sunday > AND Monday. I was working the event on Sunday afternoon when they > were > trying to fill the seats for the last flight of the day (at $400 a > seat). > They had seven takers, but three seats were needing filled. I > wasn't even > aware what was going on when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey > Mark, come > sign a waiver... you are going up!" I was honestly a bit > dumbfounded. WOW! > It was a great ride. > > After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on the > jump > flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over here?" I though > for > about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here early. I'm calling the > boss > right now to let him know I won't be in." What a deal... it was a > 50 minute > flight from Tulsa to Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even > got to > take the controls for several minutes. For those of you who have > had the > pleasure, those controls are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to > maintain > altitude and perform a couple of shallow turns. I didn't do too > bad. Our > event coordinator called ahead to Enid and had the back room of their > restaurant reserved for us, where we all ate lunch together (a > small group > of passengers and crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my > logbook with > 0.1 hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that I'll remember > forever. > > > My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward to > a ride > in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this was a real > treat. I > just know that Grandpa was looking down with a big smile on his face. > > Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:18:37 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aero price list > From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> > > All, > > I had the occasion to digitize the Dillsburg Aero price list for a few > friends this evening, so I thought I would offer it up to the list > as well. > It's in PDF format, and is relatively current. I received it at the > end of > August, and it is dated the 7th of August. Hopefully it will be of > some use. > The link is good for 30 days; if for some reason you need to > download it > after that time has elapsed just let me know, and I can send you a > fresh > link. > > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2314248/Dillsburg%20Aero%20Aug%2009.pdf > > Ryan > > ________________________________ Message 19 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:59:11 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aero price list > From: Robert Ray <rray032003@gmail.com> > > Thanks, > > Russell > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Ryan Mueller > <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I had the occasion to digitize the Dillsburg Aero price list for a >> few >> friends this evening, so I thought I would offer it up to the list >> as well. >> It's in PDF format, and is relatively current. I received it at >> the end of >> August, and it is dated the 7th of August. Hopefully it will be of >> some use. >> The link is good for 30 days; if for some reason you need to >> download it >> after that time has elapsed just let me know, and I can send you a >> fresh >> link. >> >> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2314248/Dillsburg%20Aero%20Aug%2009.pdf >> >> Ryan >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > >


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    Time: 05:52:48 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: Edge Trim
    Not sure it's what your looking for, but, auto supply stores usually sell a self sticking edge trim. Usually in black or crome that might work. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:04 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Edge Trim If you are talking about rubber edge trim, look for Brown Aircraft Supplies in Jacksonville, Fla. They make hundreds if not thousands of different rubber/neoprene/etc items such as seals, firewall material, insulation, gaskets, and prices are great. I don't have info, but Google should turn them up. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: John Franklin To: Piet_List Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Edge Trim <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> Does anyone know of a supplier for edge trim that will fit onto thin sheet metal? It's actually for a metal building but I might also use it on my Aircamper. I looked at McMaster but didn't see any that would work. Thanks, John p; -- Please Support Your Lists This Month (And Get the Annual link Free * AeroElectric http://www.matronics.com/c Thank you for your generous ; -Matt Dralle, List nbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _============= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11/03/09 19:38:00


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    Time: 08:04:50 AM PST US
    From: Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
    Subject: Re: Non Pietenpol Related
    If you're lucky enough to have an EAA's B-17 stop where you are, then volunteer to help out like Mark did. I got a ride on it 3 years ago the same way. My ride was a 2 hour flight over the Cascade Mtns from Portland to Caldwell, ID. Unfortunately they did not offer us a chance at the controls. The way it works is that the host EAA chapter is given the empty seats to to fill on the repositioning flights to the next stop. The EAA can't charge for the ride (would run afoul of the FAA) so they let the local chapter to decide how to fill the 6-8 empty seats. In our chapter, we usually give one to the top Young Eagle pilot for the year, top chapter event volunteer for the past year, the B-17 stop coordinator, and then draw names for the last seats from the Young Eagle pilots and volunteers for the weekend that the B-17 is in town. That gives us a pretty good chance to ride on it every 5-6 years if you're an active volunteer. --Ken Robert Ray wrote: > WOW! I would like to do that! > > Russell > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com > <mailto:jack@textors.com>> wrote: > > <mailto:jack@textors.com>> > > Mark great flick thanks! > Jack > DSM > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:57 PM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net > <mailto:hangar10@cox.net>> wrote: > > <mailto:hangar10@cox.net>> > > I just wanted to share some of my good fortune (ok, rub it in) > about my weekend adventure. I got to ride on a B-17G (Aluminum > Overcast) on Sunday AND Monday. I was working the event on > Sunday afternoon when they were trying to fill the seats for the > last flight of the day (at $400 a seat). They had seven takers, > but three seats were needing filled. I wasn't even aware what > was going on when the event coordinator shouted, "Hey Mark, come > sign a waiver... you are going up!" I was honestly a bit > dumbfounded. WOW! It was a great ride. > > After I got back, the same fellow said to me, "I've got you on > the jump flight to Enid tomorrow, can you make it back over > here?" I though for about 2 nanoseconds and said, "I'll be here > early. I'm calling the boss right now to let him know I won't > be in." What a deal... it was a 50 minute flight from Tulsa to > Enid, Ok... I shot a bunch of photos and even got to take the > controls for several minutes. For those of you who have had the > pleasure, those controls are a bit heavy, right? I attempted to > maintain altitude and perform a couple of shallow turns. I > didn't do too bad. Our event coordinator called ahead to Enid > and had the back room of their restaurant reserved for us, where > we all ate lunch together (a small group of passengers and > crew). It was awesome? The pilot signed my logbook with 0.1 > hour of co-pilot time... IN A B-17!! A day that I'll remember > forever. > > My grandpa flew B-25s in the Pacific. I've been looking forward > to a ride in Martha Jean (a B-25 based here in Tulsa), but this > was a real treat. I just know that Grandpa was looking down > with a big smile on his face. > > Here is a link to the video I put together. Enjoy! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkIUMSCJ2w > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270871#270871 > > > > > -= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com > <http://www.aeroelectric.com/> > omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com/> > http:/r generous support! > Matronics List Features Navigator to browse > s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ============= > > > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:17:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Non Pietenpol Related
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Ken is exactly right. I have only been a member of our chapter since March of this year, but since joining I have volunteered for everything. I show up to cook pancakes, sausage, make coffee, or just set up tables every month at our pancake breakfast, and also show up for any other event where we need help. I honestly didn't do all that stuff expecting anything in return, and I really didn't even consider that I might have a chance to get on the B-17 this weekend, but I guess the other guys had me in mind. I honestly just like being around these fellas... our chapter has a bunch of great people. A bunch of us have dinner at a local mexican restaurant on Friday evenings, we have coffee every Saturday morning, the meetings are packed with 50-60 people every month, etc. It is a lot of fun. Can't wait for the tri-motor to come back to town ;-) -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270954#270954


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    Time: 08:28:35 AM PST US
    From: Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
    Subject: Re: Non Pietenpol Related
    The tri-motor would be fun! Unfortunately we get that one out here on the left coast. --Ken On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:15 AM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> wrote: > > Ken is exactly right. I have only been a member of our chapter > since March of this year, but since joining I have volunteered for > everything. I show up to cook pancakes, sausage, make coffee, or > just set up tables every month at our pancake breakfast, and also > show up for any other event where we need help. I honestly didn't > do all that stuff expecting anything in return, and I really didn't > even consider that I might have a chance to get on the B-17 this > weekend, but I guess the other guys had me in mind. I honestly just > like being around these fellas... our chapter has a bunch of great > people. A bunch of us have dinner at a local mexican restaurant on > Friday evenings, we have coffee every Saturday morning, the meetings > are packed with 50-60 people every month, etc. It is a lot of fun. > > Can't wait for the tri-motor to come back to town ;-) > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270954#270954 > >


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    Time: 08:29:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    Some weeks ago, someone on the list mentioned that they had seen an extrusion that could be used on the 3 pce wing to seal the gap. If you'll take a look at the info on this link, you'll see a product that might work. They have a couple of these available. Here's the link: http://www.hitechglazing.com/product/41258/40204 -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270956#270956 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/large_gap_seal_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_gap_seal_167.jpg


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    Time: 09:27:34 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing
    Looks like a good solution. Alternatively, a number of guys cover this gap instead of sealing it. Many use a thin strip (2-4 inches) of Aluminum, running from the trailing edge, around the leading edge, and back to the TE again. Of course, if you have a flop, you need to hinge this piece or make the flop narrower than the center wing rear, etc. Cheap, soft, thin Al. flashing material (Home Depot) would serve for this. More elegantly, one Pieter-- I think the Bells-- use a piece of aluminum soffit material that already has two long rolled beads built in. They bought it at a roofing or siding supply house. Gary/Shad, pls correct if I am wrong on this. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> >Sent: Nov 4, 2009 10:28 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing > > >Some weeks ago, someone on the list mentioned that they had seen an extrusion that could be used on the 3 pce wing to seal the gap. > >If you'll take a look at the info on this link, you'll see a product that might work. They have a couple of these available. Here's the link: > >http://www.hitechglazing.com/product/41258/40204 > >-------- >Tom Kreiner > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270956#270956 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/large_gap_seal_191.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_gap_seal_167.jpg > >


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    Time: 09:27:51 AM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: Non Pietenpol Related
    I have been in in 2 EAA chapters. Loved both. One did a lot of hands on projects (fly in's, work on a project for a museum. The other did not but they supported young eagles and did lots of "lets go fly to...". One cooked for flyin type events the other had someone do it. One attitude I do have is "don't ask me to sell hotdogs at an airshow to raise money! Just ask me for $20." I will make Hot dog for the EAA members, people who flyin or to support a Young Eagles day but I don't like to do fund raisers. I will mow around the EAA building, I will help lay carpet etc. Some guys like fund raising, others don't. BTW I also hate having my kids sell candy (overpriced popcorn and so on) for a fund raiser. When I was an ROTC Instructor, our cadets found tasks that were short term and labor/body intensive and got paid for them. IE Putting flags out on patriotic holidays for the VFW. Or being ushers at Football games. worked great. Good amount of money, everyone worked and it was over quickly. Blue Skies, Steve D. ----- Original Message ----- From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Non Pietenpol Related > > Ken is exactly right. I have only been a member of our chapter since March of this year, but since joining I have volunteered for > everything. I show up to cook pancakes, sausage, make coffee, or > just set up tables every month at our pancake breakfast, and also > show up for any other event where we need help. I honestly didn't > do all that stuff expecting anything in return, and I really > didn't even consider that I might have a chance to get on the B-17 > this weekend, but I guess the other guys had me in mind. I > honestly just like being around these fellas... our chapter has a > bunch of great people. A bunch of us have dinner at a local > mexican restaurant on Friday evenings, we have coffee every > Saturday morning, the meetings are packed with 50-60 people every > month, etc. It is a lot of fun. > > Can't wait for the tri-motor to come back to town ;-) > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270954#270954 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:45:42 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Ed's Piet
    Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Hm. I don't have any type of trim. Of course, ALL of my landings are > kind of exciting... Well, the landing wasn't all that bad, actually. But, it's never a fun moment to have your hand inadvertently leave the stick while in the pattern: <slip> Whoops! <CLUNK> What THE ...! OK, I'm holding onto the grip, but it's not attached to the stick. I still have a stick - at least THAT didn't fall off - it's just not in my hand - grab it, let's get this plane on the ground in one piece and worry about everything else, later. whew! Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.


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    Time: 09:52:35 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Ed's Piet
    Hi Gene, Gene & Tammy wrote: > <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> > > Dan, like Jeff, I don't have any type of trim nor do I find a need for > it. Have you checked your W & B carefully? I've only been flying it since mid-September and I've been too busy flying it to do a W&B myself. It's not bad, and it depends greatly on RPM and load - with a passenger and 10-12 gallons at 2000-2050RPM it flies with very little down elevator trim, almost hands off. Low power in the pattern I like to have the washer pulled all the way up the stick to keep the plane at about 62mph, hands off. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.


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    Time: 10:47:07 AM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Ed's Piet
    ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:43:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ed's Piet Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Hm. I don't have any type of trim. Of course, ALL of my landings are kind of exciting... Well, the landing wasn't all that bad, actually. But, it's never a fun moment to have your hand inadvertently leave the stick while in the pattern: <slip> Whoops! <CLUNK> What THE ...! OK, I'm holding onto the grip, but it's not attached to the stick. I still have a stick - at least THAT didn't fall off - it's just not in my hand - grab it, let's get this plane on the ground in one piece and worry about everything else, later. whew! Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.


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    Time: 10:51:05 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: Ed's Piet
    Sorry Dan, Didn't realize you were talking hands off in slow flight. If everything goes right this year I hope to meet you in person up at Brodhead. Gene Tennessee's beautiful weather has finally kicked in. Dividing my time between the boat on the river, the Gold Wing and the Piet. What a way to live! Do Not Archive


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    Time: 12:44:26 PM PST US
    Subject: A couple of videos
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    I took a buddy flying on Sunday and took some video. Here's a couple of links; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL9Sc1-_Cr4&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waui6n1Uj4A&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohRqjIaGmog&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VMm_m6axsk&feature=channel Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271007#271007


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    Time: 01:15:36 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: A couple of videos
    Great videos Don ! Was that landing on Barber's Runway 36 to the north by chance ? I cannot believe how many houses and hangars went up since Earl and Kathi's old house made the first inroads there----holy moly have I got to get out more often. Those trees didn't get any shorter did they ? Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 02:05:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A couple of videos
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Hey Mike, No that landing was at my "home strip", as was the first takeoff. Just a private strip, York Airfield. That other takeoff was from Koons' strip out southwest of Salem. There is an old Aeronca Chief there that hasn't flown in probably 30 years. I wanted to get a look at the interior as I'm starting to cover and do the headliner in mine now. Sunday was a beautiful Fall flying day. I didn't even know he was videoing until he told me later on. do not archive Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271027#271027


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    Time: 02:25:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A couple of videos
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Don's secret to starting his A-65 is revealed in this screenshot from one of the videos. Looks like it's all in the way he holds his tongue. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271029#271029 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/the_tongue_144.jpg


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    Time: 02:48:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A couple of videos
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Alright Bill! Ya figured out my secret! I owe you one now! Ha! Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271031#271031


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    Time: 02:55:45 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing
    Not sure if it will work with standard wing fitting setup. The gap on 41CC is considerably wider than the nominal 1/4" that the vinyl seal will fit into because there has to be enough of a gap to insert the wing attach bolts into the wing attach fittings and still get a wrench on the bolt head and nut to tighten. The picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/P3230004.JPG will give you an idea of the size of gap that exists unless you make a special effort to make the gap much narrower. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 02:56:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A couple of videos
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Don's got the tongue sticking out, and the flying helmet...now all he needs is a flagpole... (sorry, couldn't resist) Ryan do not archive On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Don's secret to starting his A-65 is revealed in this screenshot from one > of the videos. Looks like it's all in the way he holds his tongue. > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271029#271029 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/the_tongue_144.jpg > >


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    Time: 05:32:07 PM PST US
    From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing
    Kerri Ann Price has drawings for attach fittings that eliminate the need fo r anything. (1/16 or so gap). For those that haven't cut or drilled fittin gs or spars. Since Geocities was closed down I don't have any website info =2C but someone may have her info. I may go this route. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > From: taildrags@hotmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing > Date: Wed=2C 4 Nov 2009 16:40:02 -0600 > > > > > Not sure if it will work with standard wing fitting setup. > The gap on 41CC is considerably wider than the nominal 1/4" > that the vinyl seal will fit into because there has to be > enough of a gap to insert the wing attach bolts into the > wing attach fittings and still get a wrench on the bolt > head and nut to tighten. The picture here: > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/P3230004.JPG > will give you an idea of the size of gap that exists > unless you make a special effort to make the gap much > narrower. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio=2C TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Find the right PC with Windows 7 and Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/pc-scout/laptop-set-criteria.aspx?cbid=w l&filt 0=2C2400=2C10=2C19=2C1=2C3=2C1=2C7=2C50=2C650=2C2=2C12=2C0=2C100 0&cat=1=2C2=2C3=2C4=2C5=2C6&brands=5=2C6=2C7=2C8=2C9=2C10=2C11=2C12=2C1 3=2C14=2C15=2C16&addf=4=2C5=2C9&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WW L_WIN_evergreen2:112009


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    Time: 05:37:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A couple of videos
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Now that's just downright funny Ryan! My wife makes fun of me all the time, she says I stick my tongue out when I'm really concentrating on something. Well I least I was buckling down and really concentrating on propping! Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271054#271054


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    Time: 05:40:15 PM PST US
    Subject: 106 years ago today-Prelude to flight
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    >From the diary of Orville Wright: Wednesday, November 4th, 1903 Kitty Hawk, N.C. Have machine now within a half day of completion. Screws have pitch of 3-1 /4" + x 7-1/2". Wind of 5 to 6 meters from south. Spratt made track 60 ft. in length. Footnote: The Wrights called the blade angle of their propellers the pitch . The first dimension divided by the second gives the sine of the blade an gle. In this instance the blade angle is arcsine 3.25/7.50, or 25.6 degree s, so the measurements must have been made at, or very close to, the tip. do not archive


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    Time: 06:20:24 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing
    That was me. That's great! Thanks Tom. Clif Yard by yard, it's mighty hard, but inch by inch, it's a cinch. <tkreiner@gmail.com> > > Some weeks ago, someone on the list mentioned that they had seen an > extrusion that could be used on the 3 pce wing to seal the gap. > http://www.hitechglazing.com/product/41258/40204 > > -------- > Tom Kreiner


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    Time: 06:39:03 PM PST US
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Re: A couple of videos
    Great Don, love the fall colors... Jack DSM Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2009, at 2:43 PM, "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: > > I took a buddy flying on Sunday and took some video. > Here's a couple of links; > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL9Sc1-_Cr4&feature=channel > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waui6n1Uj4A&feature=channel > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohRqjIaGmog&feature=channel > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VMm_m6axsk&feature=channel > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271007#271007 > >


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    Time: 06:54:57 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing
    This is what I'm doing. The gap will be maybe 1/8". The small cutout around the fitting will be on the wing panel also. My flop goes right to the edge and will not have the seal. The open areas will be covered in lexan. Clif > Not sure if it will work with standard wing fitting setup. > The gap on 41CC is considerably wider than the nominal 1/4" > that the vinyl seal will fit into because there has to be > enough of a gap to insert the wing attach bolts into the > wing attach fittings and still get a wrench on the bolt > head and nut to tighten. > > Oscar Zuniga




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