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0. 12:08 AM - Reminder (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:02 AM - Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 04:10 AM - Edge Trim (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 05:59 AM - Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Jim Markle)
4. 06:13 AM - Charlie Rubeck's ribs (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: Charlie Rubeck's ribs (Scott Knowlton)
6. 07:27 AM - Bending plywood (chase143)
7. 07:28 AM - Re: Edge Trim (John Franklin)
8. 07:45 AM - Re: Bending Plywood ()
9. 07:49 AM - Re: Ed's Piet (Skip Gadd)
10. 08:27 AM - Re: Bending plywood (Richard Schreiber)
11. 08:39 AM - Re: Bending plywood (gboothe5@comcast.net)
12. 10:53 AM - Re: Bending plywood (Lagowski Morrow)
13. 11:33 AM - Re: Bending plywood (chase143)
14. 12:05 PM - Re: Bending plywood (Michael Perez)
15. 03:25 PM - Re Static port (G & R Hewitt)
16. 03:46 PM - Re: Re Static port (K5YAC)
17. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Bending plywood (Gary Boothe)
18. 04:03 PM - Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Dave Abramson)
19. 06:04 PM - Re: Re Static port (Lagowski Morrow)
20. 06:10 PM - Re: Prop choices for Corvair (jerome bush)
21. 06:54 PM - meeting with Jim Markle (Oscar Zuniga)
22. 07:03 PM - Re: Bending plywood (John Franklin)
23. 08:16 PM - Re: Prop choices for Corvair (jerome bush)
24. 08:32 PM - Re: Bending plywood (Robert Ray)
25. 08:34 PM - Re: Re: Bending plywood exelent (jorge lizarraga)
26. 11:50 PM - Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing |
Clif; VERY nice detail where your wing panels meet the
center section! The wing gap covers on 41CC are simple
enough, but each of them is in several pieces and each
piece has multiple PK screws holding it in place, so a
tight gap with just a push-in seal makes for a cleaner
and simpler installation.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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John;
I'm not sure what sort of edge trim you're looking for,
but Corky used a very simple, effective, and affordable
(and flexible, to follow curves) edge trim on the various
cowling openings on 41CC. It's from JC Whitney and comes
in a 20 ft. roll for $23.99 and is item no. 1JA890791 if
you do a search on their website. It is available in
black and white and will fit tightly over the edges of
metal that is .030-.060" thick (they have more of this
same stuff for thicker material, too). Like I say, it
is flexible and can follow curves nicely. On 41CC it is
on all the cowling openings where the cabanes poke through,
where the engine pokes through, where the oil drain comes
out the bottom, etc.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing |
I think what's REALLY interesting about these pictures is Clif's "workshop". I
have a wonderful 32X40 heated workshop. In contrast, when I went to visit Clif
one winter....he had just spent the night before knocking the snow off the
"roof" of his "shop". He works on his project right there under that tarp.
I think that's pretty neat.
You're my hero Clif.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Nov 4, 2009 8:49 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing
>
>This is what I'm doing. The gap will be maybe 1/8".
>The small cutout around the fitting will be on the
>wing panel also. My flop goes right to the edge
>and will not have the seal. The open areas will be
>covered in lexan.
>
>Clif
>
>> Not sure if it will work with standard wing fitting setup.
>> The gap on 41CC is considerably wider than the nominal 1/4"
>> that the vinyl seal will fit into because there has to be
>> enough of a gap to insert the wing attach bolts into the
>> wing attach fittings and still get a wrench on the bolt
>> head and nut to tighten. >
>> Oscar Zuniga
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Subject: | Charlie Rubeck's ribs |
Does anyone remember how much Charlie was selling his sets
of Piet ribs for when he was still alive? Was it $300 for
the set of 31 ribs?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Charlie Rubeck's ribs |
Yes. I went to one of his rib forums in 03 and bought one for ten bucks to build
my jig with. At the time he had a set and the fellow next to me at the forum
bought them for 300.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Charlie Rubeck's ribs
Does anyone remember how much Charlie was selling his sets
of Piet ribs for when he was still alive? Was it $300 for
the set of 31 ribs?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net <http://www.flysquirrel.net>
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Working on my turtle back and looking ahead to attaching a 4-5" piece of 1/8" plywood
over the stingers behind the cockpit, and at the rear where they meet.
Do these need to be steamed, or does ply (Finnish Birch or Okoume) bend well enough
not to require steaming? Just curious, not having cut the pieces yet.
Thanks,
Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271192#271192
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Oscar,
That's exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
John F.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 5, 2009 7:08 AM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Edge Trim
>
>
>
>John;
>
>I'm not sure what sort of edge trim you're looking for,
>but Corky used a very simple, effective, and affordable
>(and flexible, to follow curves) edge trim on the various
>cowling openings on 41CC. It's from JC Whitney and comes
>in a 20 ft. roll for $23.99 and is item no. 1JA890791 if
>you do a search on their website. It is available in
>black and white and will fit tightly over the edges of
>metal that is .030-.060" thick (they have more of this
>same stuff for thicker material, too). Like I say, it
>is flexible and can follow curves nicely. On 41CC it is
>on all the cowling openings where the cabanes poke through,
>where the engine pokes through, where the oil drain comes
>out the bottom, etc.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Bending Plywood |
Steve,
You might want to consider using 1/16" plywood. It's easier to bend and weighs
less.
Lynn Knoll
Wichita
Corvair/Piet in the works
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Dan,
Yeah, the report from the 200 hour Cub pilot who flew the plane for the 1
hour was that it was sensitive in pitch. We didn't know if there was
something wrong with the rigging or maybe he had no experience with antique
designs. It turned out they had so much tension (turnbuckles way too tight)
in the elevator system that you had to put allot of pressure on the stick
to move it fore and aft.
Ed changed several things he didn't like, one was a lift strut that looked
like it had been bent and made straight! He went over the plane very
thoroughly, which is fine with me since I wound up flying it.
Skip
> Sounds like there was a
> lot of work done to get it in a stable flying state, and I just don't
> have the time to tinker...
> Cheers!
> Dan
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Steve:
I made mine out of 2 sheets of 1/16" plywood. Bent the first one cold and
epoxied it in place. I let it cure overnight then laminated a second piece
to the first. Worked well. Here are a couple of photos.
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: chase143 <chase143@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/5/2009 9:29:27 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending plywood
>
>
> Working on my turtle back and looking ahead to attaching a 4-5" piece of
1/8" plywood over the stingers behind the cockpit, and at the rear where
they meet. Do these need to be steamed, or does ply (Finnish Birch or
Okoume) bend well enough not to require steaming? Just curious, not having
cut the pieces yet.
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271192#271192
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Bending plywood |
Steve,
All my turtle decks are 1/8" mahogany marine plywood. They are also 1 1/2" taller
than plans, meaning that the radius is actually smaller. No steaming...just
fit, glue, clamp and nail. You may see some pics at West Coast Pets, or I can
send some tonight.
Gary
------Original Message------
From: chase143
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending plywood
Sent: Nov 5, 2009 7:26 AM
Working on my turtle back and looking ahead to attaching a 4-5" piece of 1/8" plywood
over the stingers behind the cockpit, and at the rear where they meet.
Do these need to be steamed, or does ply (Finnish Birch or Okoume) bend well enough
not to require steaming? Just curious, not having cut the pieces yet.
Thanks,
Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271192#271192
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Subject: | Re: Bending plywood |
I used 1/16" and it bent just fine. no steaming, a few clamps and T-88--Jim
Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "chase143" <chase143@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending plywood
>
> Working on my turtle back and looking ahead to attaching a 4-5" piece of
> 1/8" plywood over the stingers behind the cockpit, and at the rear where
> they meet. Do these need to be steamed, or does ply (Finnish Birch or
> Okoume) bend well enough not to require steaming? Just curious, not having
> cut the pieces yet.
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271192#271192
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Bending plywood |
Outstanding! Thanks guys. Great pictures and ideas. I'll check out WC Piet as well.
But sounds like no steaming and maybe 1/16 is the way to go, hopefully this
weekend.
Thanks again,
Steve
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Subject: | Re: Bending plywood |
Timely post as I am also gluing in my turtle deck stringers and planning my
plywood overlay at both ends. My stringers, as viewed from the ends, are b
ullet shaped. The "pointed" edge is what the fabric will rest on. I hope th
is will give a nicer look then the wide look of each piece had I left them
all flat. Because of a planning error, mine are all 1/2" wide. So, I routed
them to a bullet shape on the fabric side.- I can supply pictures if any
one has an interest.
-
I plan on using 2 sheets of laminated 1/16" okume as posted by someone else
.
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Any info on position of Pitot Static ports please.
Is just using a drilled plug on the back of the ASI/Altimeter OK for an open
cockpit?
Regards Graham
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Subject: | Re: Re Static port |
Should be... it's also ok for use in a closed non-pressurized cockpit. At least
that is where backup static pressure is located. Right?
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Subject: | Re: Bending plywood |
Steve,
Here a couple pics of turtle decks made out of 1/8" Plywood.no steaming!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending plywood
Outstanding! Thanks guys. Great pictures and ideas. I'll check out WC Piet
as well. But sounds like no steaming and maybe 1/16 is the way to go,
hopefully this weekend.
Thanks again,
Steve
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Subject: | Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing |
Hey Cliff! (Dawson)
Do you have any pictures of your wing tank before install?
You read my mind perfectly!!!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing
This is what I'm doing. The gap will be maybe 1/8".
The small cutout around the fitting will be on the
wing panel also. My flop goes right to the edge
and will not have the seal. The open areas will be
covered in lexan.
Clif
> Not sure if it will work with standard wing fitting setup.
> The gap on 41CC is considerably wider than the nominal 1/4"
> that the vinyl seal will fit into because there has to be
> enough of a gap to insert the wing attach bolts into the
> wing attach fittings and still get a wrench on the bolt
> head and nut to tighten. >
> Oscar Zuniga
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Subject: | Re: Re Static port |
My plug with a hole works fine--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: G & R Hewitt
To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Static port
Any info on position of Pitot Static ports please.
Is just using a drilled plug on the back of the ASI/Altimeter OK for
an open cockpit?
Regards Graham
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Subject: | Re: Prop choices for Corvair |
I have a never used Hegy 66X30 prop that I no longer can use and is for sale.
If you are interested in it, contact me off list at jjbush@gmail.com
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Subject: | meeting with Jim Markle |
I was fortunate to be able to meet with Jim Markle
after he completed his business here in San Antonio
today. Jim exemplifies the classic Pietenpoler,
from his enthusiasm for building and flying, to his
propensity to tell tall tales. Jim shared some of the
video clips that he took at Brodhead this year (Mike
Cuy's landing was near-perfect; Frank Pavliga's was
awesomely short). Jim even paid for my beer, which
was a very generous move. I checked my pockets after
I left and still had my valuables, so I think he's
been reformed ;o)
However, Jim tends to make things up or stretch the
truth a bit. He may make a wild claim or two about
some secret project I'm working on... pure fabrication.
He had too much time on his hands to sit around the
hotel waiting for me, so he cooked up a wild story.
The beer didn't help, either.
We did talk about progress that he's making on his
project, and it was great to sit and talk with someone
who is clearly stoked about completing his Piet.
Nice guy, Jim, but full of tall tales, too.
Thanks for the beer, Jim, but no matter what you say
now, your credibility is shot ;o)
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Bending plywood |
Piet Builders,
I haven't tried this, but years ago I read about how wooden model ship builders
would bend the planks that had to fit the curve of the bows of their model ships;
they would soak them in a solution of one part ammonia to two parts of water.
As I said, I have never tried this method but it supposedly made the wood
very easy to bend.
John F.
Richmond, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: gboothe5@comcast.net
>Sent: Nov 5, 2009 11:38 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending plywood
>
>
>Steve,
>
>All my turtle decks are 1/8" mahogany marine plywood. They are also 1 1/2" taller
than plans, meaning that the radius is actually smaller. No steaming...just
fit, glue, clamp and nail. You may see some pics at West Coast Pets, or I can
send some tonight.
>
>Gary
>------Original Message------
>From: chase143
>Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending plywood
>Sent: Nov 5, 2009 7:26 AM
>
>
>Working on my turtle back and looking ahead to attaching a 4-5" piece of 1/8"
plywood over the stingers behind the cockpit, and at the rear where they meet.
Do these need to be steamed, or does ply (Finnish Birch or Okoume) bend well
enough not to require steaming? Just curious, not having cut the pieces yet.
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271192#271192
>
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Prop choices for Corvair |
Sorry, but I gave the wrong email address in the previous message regarding the
Hegy prop for sale. My correct address is dutchman77@gmail.com Contact
me at the corrected address if you are interested in buying the Hegy 66X30
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Subject: | Re: Bending plywood |
You can bend it dry or bend it more if wet, boiling water works
good on Okume and birch, I have also heard of adding ammonia
when bending birch however I never found a need to add it.
It bends easier with outside grain perpendicular to the bend
radius. Another trick on leading edge of wing is heat up a metal
pipe lay the wet plywood across and bend using weights clamped
to hold the edges of the ply down.
The plywood will dry out and you can't tell it's been wet other
than a slight raise of the grain which you just sand out.
Also to avoid oil canning and starved horse look is to
dampen the sides of the fuselage ply before glue and clamping,
this relaxes the outside and when it drys it will pull it tight.
I have bent 4 mm Okume but I think thats about the limit
with out kerfs.
Russell
Russell
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:21 PM, John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Piet Builders,
>
> I haven't tried this, but years ago I read about how wooden model ship
> builders would bend the planks that had to fit the curve of the bows of
> their model ships; they would soak them in a solution of one part ammonia to
> two parts of water. As I said, I have never tried this method but it
> supposedly made the wood very easy to bend.
>
> John F.
> Richmond, TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> >Sent: Nov 5, 2009 11:38 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending plywood
> >
> >
> >Steve,
> >
> >All my turtle decks are 1/8" mahogany marine plywood. They are also 1 1/2"
> taller than plans, meaning that the radius is actually smaller. No
> steaming...just fit, glue, clamp and nail. You may see some pics at West
> Coast Pets, or I can send some tonight.
> >
> >Gary
> >------Original Message------
> >From: chase143
> >Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending plywood
> >Sent: Nov 5, 2009 7:26 AM
> >
> >
> >Working on my turtle back and looking ahead to attaching a 4-5" piece of
> 1/8" plywood over the stingers behind the cockpit, and at the rear where
> they meet. Do these need to be steamed, or does ply (Finnish Birch or
> Okoume) bend well enough not to require steaming? Just curious, not having
> cut the pieces yet.
> >Thanks,
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Bending plywood exelent |
that is bery good Idea Gary tanks I take and put in my plane too=C2- look
bery nice to my seyou nex jorge from hanford, todays work in welding think
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--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending plywood
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASteve, =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AHer
e a couple pics of turtle decks made out of 1/8=9D Plywoodno
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Gary Boothe =0A=0ACool, Ca. =0A=0APietenpol =0A=0AWW Corvair Conversion, mo
unted =0A=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear =0A=0A(15 ribs down) =0A
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=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpo
l-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143
=0ASent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:33 AM
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=0A=0AOutstanding! Thanks guys. Great pictures and ideas. I'll check out W
C=0APiet as well. But sounds like no steaming and maybe 1/16 is the way to
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Subject: | Re: Vinyl gap seal for 3 pce. wing |
Well, thank you Jim. That is a compliment indeed coming from someone who
has been of so much help to so many of us.
Clif
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> I think what's REALLY interesting about these pictures is Clif's
> "workshop". I have a wonderful 32X40 heated workshop. In contrast, when
> I went to visit Clif one winter....he had just spent the night before
> knocking the snow off the "roof" of his "shop". He works on his project
> right there under that tarp.
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> I think that's pretty neat.
>
> You're my hero Clif.
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